ABC: Bush on Pandemic

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Johnny Bear said:

HuMcK said:

Can anyone imagine the current iteration of Donald J. Trump actually reading a book, much less one about history? I can't. The best thing that could have ever happened for W Bush's legacy was the election of Trump, because it illustrated what idiocy really looks like. W Bush wasn't stupid by any means, but compared to Trump he looks like Albert Einstein.
So you become a hugely successful billionaire businessman and one of the most successful POTUS's to date we've ever had (yes this completely out of left field virus that's entirely not his fault has been a setback, but just sit back and watch us recover strongly before the election) by being an "idiot"?? Give me a break. You continue to demonstrate how stupid your overwhelming TDS has made you.
Yep... it's funny that the "idiot" keeps the democrats running around in circles chasing their own tails. Makes you wonder, if they constantly get beat by a "fool".... what does that make them?
They're fools, too. Clearly. There's no other way to describe selecting Hillary Clinton, the most widely disliked major party presidential candidate ever, and Joe Biden, a man who likely suffers from some degree of dementia, as their nominee in back-to-back elections against a man they would describe as an existential threat. But beating those two doesn't make Trump anything special.
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tommie said:

Johnny Bear said:

HuMcK said:

Can anyone imagine the current iteration of Donald J. Trump actually reading a book, much less one about history? I can't. The best thing that could have ever happened for W Bush's legacy was the election of Trump, because it illustrated what idiocy really looks like. W Bush wasn't stupid by any means, but compared to Trump he looks like Albert Einstein.
So you become a hugely successful billionaire businessman and one of the most successful POTUS's to date we've ever had (yes this completely out of left field virus that's entirely not his fault has been a setback, but just sit back and watch us recover strongly before the election) by being an "idiot"?? Give me a break. You continue to demonstrate how stupid your overwhelming TDS has made you.


You know he's a billionaire? How?
Forbes has been tracking the richest in America for a long time.

https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-trump/#194f42fd47bd

They list him well below what he claims for himself, but still a billionaire.
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tommie said:

Johnny Bear said:

The greatest debt of gratitude owed to G.W. Bush should be his leadership following 9/11 that insured the USA wouldn't endure another massive terrorist attack - at least internally. On 9/12/01, how many people thought we wouldn't be massively attacked again throughout the rest of his first term, let alone both of his terms? As I recall all of the chatter, fear and panic at that time was about where and when will we be attacked again, what kind of attack will it be (i.e. suicide bombers again, biological, etc.) and how many more thousands more will die. Thanks largely to G.W.'s leadership it didn't happen.

He definitely also made some mistakes, not the least of which was never really responding or pushing back against the vicious and unfair attacks from the left (unlike Trump). In hindsight the Iraq intervention was a mistake as well, but again to me the most positive part of his legacy was how he reacted and led the country in the aftermath of 9/11.


Every president gets attacked. Every president doesn't punch down.

Trump attacks people so below the office that he devalues it's dignity.


True...it's Trumps biggest blind spot .

But the media led with the atrocious mudslinging ...and it began years ago with Bush the First .

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I always like the Bushes. I was not a fan of either war, but I also am not sure he got a fair shake.

He was prophetic on several issues as noted - the great recession as well as this.
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Flaming Moderate said:

I always like the Bushes. I was not a fan of either war, but I also am not sure he got a fair shake.

He was prophetic on several issues as noted - the great recession as well as this.


I met W when he was with the Rangers. He was an incredibly nice man. There was no reason for him to be thy kind to me.
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The thing I liked about Bush the most was that I never for a second doubted that he was doing what he thought best for the country, meaning the country as a whole. He also had the best sense of humor of any President I can remember.
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Booray said:

The thing I liked about Bush the most was that I never for a second doubted that he was doing what he thought best for the country, meaning the country as a whole. He also had the best sense of humor of any President I can remember.
Agreed....and I've had the occasion to be with them in small settings and they are very, very sincere. Quick story about his coolness. Last year, my son, who was a senior in high school was playing golf at DCC with 3 of his buddies. They noticed the marshals were really spacing groups by about 10 min. regardless of drive. My son and his crew were hitting into the group in front. They raced up there to try to play through, only to be buffered by the Secret Service. W. calls them over, questioned them about where they went to Hs, where they were going to college ..... Then he proceeded to **** talk his partner in a really funny way, then W shanks a bad one. Then, he turned to the boys and said, "I'm goin to kick his ass" and then he told them to get their asses over to him for a pic. Have the pic and it's a treasure. Really, really cool by the W.
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HuMcK said:

Can anyone imagine the current iteration of Donald J. Trump actually reading a book, much less one about history? I can't. The best thing that could have ever happened for W Bush's legacy was the election of Trump, because it illustrated what idiocy really looks like. W Bush wasn't stupid by any means, but compared to Trump he looks like Albert Einstein.

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tommie said:

riflebear said:

tommie said:

Johnny Bear said:

The greatest debt of gratitude owed to G.W. Bush should be his leadership following 9/11 that insured the USA wouldn't endure another massive terrorist attack - at least internally. On 9/12/01, how many people thought we wouldn't be massively attacked again throughout the rest of his first term, let alone both of his terms? As I recall all of the chatter, fear and panic at that time was about where and when will we be attacked again, what kind of attack will it be (i.e. suicide bombers again, biological, etc.) and how many more thousands more will die. Thanks largely to G.W.'s leadership it didn't happen.

He definitely also made some mistakes, not the least of which was never really responding or pushing back against the vicious and unfair attacks from the left (unlike Trump). In hindsight the Iraq intervention was a mistake as well, but again to me the most positive part of his legacy was how he reacted and led the country in the aftermath of 9/11.


Every president gets attacked. Every president doesn't punch down.

Trump attacks people so below the office that he devalues it's dignity.
We finally agree on something. I also agree the press is so below the office but I do disagree that they shouldn't be attacked. This is part of the reason he won. For decades conservatives have been tired of being run over and ignored and dismissed and manipulated and not having a voice. This was the first candidate (obviously w/ many flaws) who finally fought back. I don't like a lot of the ways he does it but it drives the media mad that they've finally been exposed for the country to see who they really are. It's so bad now, they don't even hide it anymore.

For that, I will always be thankful for this President because the media will do the exact same thing to the next GOP nominee as they did to Bush and everyone else before Trump


He won because presidents are selected via the electoral college not the popular vote. Trump doesn't have some magic that drove the majority of Americans to the poll for him.

Clinton lost sight of that.


No Clinton ever figured out how to win a majority.
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Johnny Bear said:

The greatest debt of gratitude owed to G.W. Bush should be his leadership following 9/11 that insured the USA wouldn't endure another massive terrorist attack - at least internally. On 9/12/01, how many people thought we wouldn't be massively attacked again throughout the rest of his first term, let alone both of his terms? As I recall all of the chatter, fear and panic at that time was about where and when will we be attacked again, what kind of attack will it be (i.e. suicide bombers again, biological, etc.) and how many more thousands more will die. Thanks largely to G.W.'s leadership it didn't happen.

He definitely also made some mistakes, not the least of which was never really responding or pushing back against the vicious and unfair attacks from the left (unlike Trump). In hindsight the Iraq intervention was a mistake as well, but again to me the most positive part of his legacy was how he reacted and led the country in the aftermath of 9/11.
W's initial response was great. I don't recall any "attacks from the left" in those days. Maybe you're not old enough to remember or maybe you remember it wrong. In the four months following the attack he ranged in the 85-90% range. That's a documented fact.

His undoing was the misbegotten Iraq for which he was rightly and roundly criticized from all sides. It was one of the greatest fiascos in American history. It more than undid all the initial good he had done and led to an ascendant Iran, with which we're dealing today.

But back to 9-11, compare W with Trump. For months post 9-11, W was in the 85-90% range. Boris Johnson, who initially botched Britain's handling of the crisis is in the 70-80% range.

Trump is hovering around 50%, with 60% saying he was too slow to respond.

That's how badly he has botched it.

W wasn't anywhere near our greatest president, but he was miles about the game show host currently residing at the White House.
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Booray said:

The thing I liked about Bush the most was that I never for a second doubted that he was doing what he thought best for the country, meaning the country as a whole. He also had the best sense of humor of any President I can remember.
I never thought W would look good, but I would take him in a heartbeat over Trump.

W wasn't the brightest bulb and got us into ruinous war that destabilized the Middle East.

But he was and is a decent human being.

Trump, on the other hand is a textbook Narcissist who cares only for himself and his family. MAGA folk are merely his means to wealth and power.
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Kyle said:

Interesting article on George W. Bush and pandemic preparedness. After reading a book about the Spanish Flu (do we have to re-name that now since Spanish Flu is racist?) and how he launched a preparedness initiative. Of course, it stopped by the subsequent administration.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story?id=69979013

Like the housing crisis that was ignored by Barney Frank, another good example of Bush being a darn thoughtful president despite constant barrage of attacks. Not perfect but did thoughtful.
Maybe not racist but ill-informed.

It appears to have started in Kansas. The only reason Spain got attached to it is because it was neutral in the war. It didn't practice censorship, so it gave honest numbers about its pandemic.

So Barney Frank ALONE ignored the housing crisis.

EVERYBODY, Republican and Democrat were responsible for that crisis.

Now Republicans are trying to undo the few fixes put in place.
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HuMcK said:

HuMcK said:

Can anyone imagine the current iteration of Donald J. Trump actually reading a book, much less one about history? I can't. The best thing that could have ever happened for W Bush's legacy was the election of Trump, because it illustrated what idiocy really looks like. W Bush wasn't stupid by any means, but compared to Trump he looks like Albert Einstein.




He does not need to read the letter. An officer can't distribute that kind of information and expect to maintain the confidence of his or her superiors.
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George Truett said:

Kyle said:

Interesting article on George W. Bush and pandemic preparedness. After reading a book about the Spanish Flu (do we have to re-name that now since Spanish Flu is racist?) and how he launched a preparedness initiative. Of course, it stopped by the subsequent administration.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story?id=69979013

Like the housing crisis that was ignored by Barney Frank, another good example of Bush being a darn thoughtful president despite constant barrage of attacks. Not perfect but did thoughtful.
Maybe not racist but ill-informed.

It appears to have started in Kansas. The only reason Spain got attached to it is because it was neutral in the war. It didn't practice censorship, so it gave honest numbers about its pandemic.

So Barney Frank ALONE ignored the housing crisis.

EVERYBODY, Republican and Democrat were responsible for that crisis.

Now Republicans are trying to undo the few fixes put in place.
No, I do not think Barney Frank single handedly was responsible for the crisis. However, it is non-debatable that the White House in 2004 warned against the proliferation of sub-prime loans, and Frank and others called for more sub-prime, bad loans for P.C. reasons. That is on Frank, who IIRC led that Congressional committee over Frannie and Freddie.
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George Truett said:

Johnny Bear said:

The greatest debt of gratitude owed to G.W. Bush should be his leadership following 9/11 that insured the USA wouldn't endure another massive terrorist attack - at least internally. On 9/12/01, how many people thought we wouldn't be massively attacked again throughout the rest of his first term, let alone both of his terms? As I recall all of the chatter, fear and panic at that time was about where and when will we be attacked again, what kind of attack will it be (i.e. suicide bombers again, biological, etc.) and how many more thousands more will die. Thanks largely to G.W.'s leadership it didn't happen.

He definitely also made some mistakes, not the least of which was never really responding or pushing back against the vicious and unfair attacks from the left (unlike Trump). In hindsight the Iraq intervention was a mistake as well, but again to me the most positive part of his legacy was how he reacted and led the country in the aftermath of 9/11.
W's initial response was great. I don't recall any "attacks from the left" in those days. Maybe you're not old enough to remember or maybe you remember it wrong. In the four months following the attack he ranged in the 85-90% range. That's a documented fact.

His undoing was the misbegotten Iraq for which he was rightly and roundly criticized from all sides. It was one of the greatest fiascos in American history. It more than undid all the initial good he had done and led to an ascendant Iran, with which we're dealing today.

But back to 9-11, compare W with Trump. For months post 9-11, W was in the 85-90% range. Boris Johnson, who initially botched Britain's handling of the crisis is in the 70-80% range.

Trump is hovering around 50%, with 60% saying he was too slow to respond.

That's how badly he has botched it.

W wasn't anywhere near our greatest president, but he was miles about the game show host currently residing at the White House.


Memory issues? "What did he know and when did he know it?" - Killary Clinton.

Grow a pair and finger the *****.
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Booray said:

Johnny Bear said:

tommie said:

Johnny Bear said:

The greatest debt of gratitude owed to G.W. Bush should be his leadership following 9/11 that insured the USA wouldn't endure another massive terrorist attack - at least internally. On 9/12/01, how many people thought we wouldn't be massively attacked again throughout the rest of his first term, let alone both of his terms? As I recall all of the chatter, fear and panic at that time was about where and when will we be attacked again, what kind of attack will it be (i.e. suicide bombers again, biological, etc.) and how many more thousands more will die. Thanks largely to G.W.'s leadership it didn't happen.

He definitely also made some mistakes, not the least of which was never really responding or pushing back against the vicious and unfair attacks from the left (unlike Trump). In hindsight the Iraq intervention was a mistake as well, but again to me the most positive part of his legacy was how he reacted and led the country in the aftermath of 9/11.


Every president gets attacked. Every president doesn't punch down.

Trump attacks people so below the office that he devalues it's dignity.
Wrong. First of all no POTUS, even including Nixon (although it was close) has been viscerally attacked, lied about and slandered like Trump has by the dimcrat propaganda arm otherwise known as the MSM. This is nothing like "every other POTUS". Secondly, he correctly pushes back with the tools he does have (i.e. Twitter, etc.) in his own defense after he has been unfairly attacked and lied about because he wisely realizes if you just smile and take it (like Bush) just to "look Presidential" a lot of the populous will assume the lies are the truth. It is both refreshing to see and totally justified and it's one of the reasons (among many) that he's going to be re-elected.
Obama was treated so kindly. Well except for that part were we claimed he wasn't even an American and decided our no. 1 policy goal was to keep him a one-term president.

Oh please. Obama was so fawned over and covered for by the MSM that it was nauseating. I'm still waiting for some hard hitting crack reporter to ask Trump what "enchants" him most about being POTUS.
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tommie said:

Johnny Bear said:

tommie said:

Johnny Bear said:

The greatest debt of gratitude owed to G.W. Bush should be his leadership following 9/11 that insured the USA wouldn't endure another massive terrorist attack - at least internally. On 9/12/01, how many people thought we wouldn't be massively attacked again throughout the rest of his first term, let alone both of his terms? As I recall all of the chatter, fear and panic at that time was about where and when will we be attacked again, what kind of attack will it be (i.e. suicide bombers again, biological, etc.) and how many more thousands more will die. Thanks largely to G.W.'s leadership it didn't happen.

He definitely also made some mistakes, not the least of which was never really responding or pushing back against the vicious and unfair attacks from the left (unlike Trump). In hindsight the Iraq intervention was a mistake as well, but again to me the most positive part of his legacy was how he reacted and led the country in the aftermath of 9/11.


Every president gets attacked. Every president doesn't punch down.

Trump attacks people so below the office that he devalues it's dignity.
Wrong. First of all no POTUS, even including Nixon (although it was close) has been viscerally attacked, lied about and slandered like Trump has by the dimcrat propaganda arm otherwise known as the MSM. This is nothing like "every other POTUS". Secondly, he correctly pushes back with the tools he does have (i.e. Twitter, etc.) in his own defense after he has been unfairly attacked and lied about because he wisely realizes if you just smile and take it (like Bush) just to "look Presidential" a lot of the populous will assume the lies are the truth. It is both refreshing to see and totally justified and it's one of the reasons (among many) that he's going to be re-elected.


Really? Is that the story you want to believe?

Trump doesn't really get attacked. He gets fact checked. He controls that.

If you can, name for me all the presidents that had issues with judges, the media, our allies, our enemies, a porn Star, gold star parents, his staff, and women?

And addressed it with attacks on Twitter.

If you can, name for me all the presidents that have had as successful a first 3 years in office despite all out opposition and obstruction from the opposing party, the establishment of his own party, the deep state, and the MSM to the point of having to deal with 100% partisan and fraudulent investigations and impeachment. I'll hang up and listen.
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In 2004 Bush the younger was president and both houses of Congress were Republican.

Please enlighten us how Barney Frank had the power to control policy.
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As Trump said, we have it under control, we're headed to zero cases, I have a hunch, I'm not responsible and I want to let the Americans stay on that cruise ship because I like numbers being low.
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And...he will deny ever having said any of those things.
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Johnny Bear said:

tommie said:

Johnny Bear said:

tommie said:

Johnny Bear said:

The greatest debt of gratitude owed to G.W. Bush should be his leadership following 9/11 that insured the USA wouldn't endure another massive terrorist attack - at least internally. On 9/12/01, how many people thought we wouldn't be massively attacked again throughout the rest of his first term, let alone both of his terms? As I recall all of the chatter, fear and panic at that time was about where and when will we be attacked again, what kind of attack will it be (i.e. suicide bombers again, biological, etc.) and how many more thousands more will die. Thanks largely to G.W.'s leadership it didn't happen.

He definitely also made some mistakes, not the least of which was never really responding or pushing back against the vicious and unfair attacks from the left (unlike Trump). In hindsight the Iraq intervention was a mistake as well, but again to me the most positive part of his legacy was how he reacted and led the country in the aftermath of 9/11.


Every president gets attacked. Every president doesn't punch down.

Trump attacks people so below the office that he devalues it's dignity.
Wrong. First of all no POTUS, even including Nixon (although it was close) has been viscerally attacked, lied about and slandered like Trump has by the dimcrat propaganda arm otherwise known as the MSM. This is nothing like "every other POTUS". Secondly, he correctly pushes back with the tools he does have (i.e. Twitter, etc.) in his own defense after he has been unfairly attacked and lied about because he wisely realizes if you just smile and take it (like Bush) just to "look Presidential" a lot of the populous will assume the lies are the truth. It is both refreshing to see and totally justified and it's one of the reasons (among many) that he's going to be re-elected.


Really? Is that the story you want to believe?

Trump doesn't really get attacked. He gets fact checked. He controls that.

If you can, name for me all the presidents that had issues with judges, the media, our allies, our enemies, a porn Star, gold star parents, his staff, and women?

And addressed it with attacks on Twitter.

If you can, name for me all the presidents that have had as successful a first 3 years in office despite all out opposition and obstruction from the opposing party, the establishment of his own party, the deep state, and the MSM to the point of having to deal with 100% partisan and fraudulent investigations and impeachment. I'll hang up and listen.
No one left of center would agree that Trump has had success in their eyes. Everything he has done has set back their agenda decades.

On a personal note, I only care about the issue of healthcare, and thought he would make some progress with hospital price transparency and lower drug costs. That still hasn't happened. Tens of millions have now lost health coverage as well, so no I don't see any successes.
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Can't even get 5 posts into a thread before making it about Trump. Rent free.
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GrowlTowel said:

tommie said:

riflebear said:

tommie said:

Johnny Bear said:

The greatest debt of gratitude owed to G.W. Bush should be his leadership following 9/11 that insured the USA wouldn't endure another massive terrorist attack - at least internally. On 9/12/01, how many people thought we wouldn't be massively attacked again throughout the rest of his first term, let alone both of his terms? As I recall all of the chatter, fear and panic at that time was about where and when will we be attacked again, what kind of attack will it be (i.e. suicide bombers again, biological, etc.) and how many more thousands more will die. Thanks largely to G.W.'s leadership it didn't happen.

He definitely also made some mistakes, not the least of which was never really responding or pushing back against the vicious and unfair attacks from the left (unlike Trump). In hindsight the Iraq intervention was a mistake as well, but again to me the most positive part of his legacy was how he reacted and led the country in the aftermath of 9/11.


Every president gets attacked. Every president doesn't punch down.

Trump attacks people so below the office that he devalues it's dignity.
We finally agree on something. I also agree the press is so below the office but I do disagree that they shouldn't be attacked. This is part of the reason he won. For decades conservatives have been tired of being run over and ignored and dismissed and manipulated and not having a voice. This was the first candidate (obviously w/ many flaws) who finally fought back. I don't like a lot of the ways he does it but it drives the media mad that they've finally been exposed for the country to see who they really are. It's so bad now, they don't even hide it anymore.

For that, I will always be thankful for this President because the media will do the exact same thing to the next GOP nominee as they did to Bush and everyone else before Trump


He won because presidents are selected via the electoral college not the popular vote. Trump doesn't have some magic that drove the majority of Americans to the poll for him.

Clinton lost sight of that.
No Clinton ever figured out how to win a majority.
Only because Ross Perot had enough money and ego to run a couple of vanity campaigns.

Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate, but Bill was popular enough to defeat an incumbent in 1992 -- something that hasn't happened since -- and win three percent more vote in a three-way race in 1996 than Trump did against Hillary in 2016.

Bill's a scumbag, but he was an effective politician.
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GruntTuff said:

In 2004 Bush the younger was president and both houses of Congress were Republican.

Please enlighten us how Barney Frank had the power to control policy.


Sucking cock?
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bear2be2 said:

GrowlTowel said:

tommie said:

riflebear said:

tommie said:

Johnny Bear said:

The greatest debt of gratitude owed to G.W. Bush should be his leadership following 9/11 that insured the USA wouldn't endure another massive terrorist attack - at least internally. On 9/12/01, how many people thought we wouldn't be massively attacked again throughout the rest of his first term, let alone both of his terms? As I recall all of the chatter, fear and panic at that time was about where and when will we be attacked again, what kind of attack will it be (i.e. suicide bombers again, biological, etc.) and how many more thousands more will die. Thanks largely to G.W.'s leadership it didn't happen.

He definitely also made some mistakes, not the least of which was never really responding or pushing back against the vicious and unfair attacks from the left (unlike Trump). In hindsight the Iraq intervention was a mistake as well, but again to me the most positive part of his legacy was how he reacted and led the country in the aftermath of 9/11.


Every president gets attacked. Every president doesn't punch down.

Trump attacks people so below the office that he devalues it's dignity.
We finally agree on something. I also agree the press is so below the office but I do disagree that they shouldn't be attacked. This is part of the reason he won. For decades conservatives have been tired of being run over and ignored and dismissed and manipulated and not having a voice. This was the first candidate (obviously w/ many flaws) who finally fought back. I don't like a lot of the ways he does it but it drives the media mad that they've finally been exposed for the country to see who they really are. It's so bad now, they don't even hide it anymore.

For that, I will always be thankful for this President because the media will do the exact same thing to the next GOP nominee as they did to Bush and everyone else before Trump


He won because presidents are selected via the electoral college not the popular vote. Trump doesn't have some magic that drove the majority of Americans to the poll for him.

Clinton lost sight of that.
No Clinton ever figured out how to win a majority.
Only because Ross Perot had enough money and ego to run a couple of vanity campaigns.

Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate, but Bill was popular enough to defeat an incumbent in 1992 -- something that hasn't happened since -- and win three percent more vote in a three-way race in 1996 than Trump did against Hillary in 2016.

Bill's a scumbag, but he was an effective politician.


Point still remains. No Clinton ever won a majority.
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The Dems had LBJ. Reps have Trump. Today we have the internet.
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Johnny Bear said:

Booray said:

Johnny Bear said:

tommie said:

Johnny Bear said:

The greatest debt of gratitude owed to G.W. Bush should be his leadership following 9/11 that insured the USA wouldn't endure another massive terrorist attack - at least internally. On 9/12/01, how many people thought we wouldn't be massively attacked again throughout the rest of his first term, let alone both of his terms? As I recall all of the chatter, fear and panic at that time was about where and when will we be attacked again, what kind of attack will it be (i.e. suicide bombers again, biological, etc.) and how many more thousands more will die. Thanks largely to G.W.'s leadership it didn't happen.

He definitely also made some mistakes, not the least of which was never really responding or pushing back against the vicious and unfair attacks from the left (unlike Trump). In hindsight the Iraq intervention was a mistake as well, but again to me the most positive part of his legacy was how he reacted and led the country in the aftermath of 9/11.


Every president gets attacked. Every president doesn't punch down.

Trump attacks people so below the office that he devalues it's dignity.
Wrong. First of all no POTUS, even including Nixon (although it was close) has been viscerally attacked, lied about and slandered like Trump has by the dimcrat propaganda arm otherwise known as the MSM. This is nothing like "every other POTUS". Secondly, he correctly pushes back with the tools he does have (i.e. Twitter, etc.) in his own defense after he has been unfairly attacked and lied about because he wisely realizes if you just smile and take it (like Bush) just to "look Presidential" a lot of the populous will assume the lies are the truth. It is both refreshing to see and totally justified and it's one of the reasons (among many) that he's going to be re-elected.
Obama was treated so kindly. Well except for that part were we claimed he wasn't even an American and decided our no. 1 policy goal was to keep him a one-term president.

Oh please. Obama was so fawned over and covered for by the MSM that it was nauseating. I'm still waiting for some hard hitting crack reporter to ask Trump what "enchants" him most about being POTUS.


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