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This is the fundamental problem of so-called "racism" today:
"The students told the State Press, Arizona State's student newspaper, that she engaged in behavior they found racist and discriminatory toward students of color and LGBTQ students."
"Former students found Duh's tweet upsetting because of her treatment of Black students as well as its reference to police officers and George Floyd's family in the same sentence."
"All 23 students who spoke to The State Press said it was well known within the School of Mass Communication and Design that Duh made microaggressive comments that touched on race, sexual orientation and body weight toward students who went "against the grain.""
And the ultimate irony:
""She's an extreme southerner," Gomez Farias said. "She wants people to fall in line with the way that the southern values are, and she doesn't want people to speak a certain way. She doesn't want people to look a certain way. She doesn't want people to dress a certain way, because it's not 'proper.'"
In a bias report interview with the Loyola investigator, a colleague of Duh's said in an interview that students may have misinterpreted her intentions and actions.
"(The colleague) indicated it was his sense that Dr. Duh's being white, southern, and conservative often led students to believe that also meant racist," the investigator wrote. "But he emphasized he had not witnessed anything he would classify as racially biased during his time in the classroom." "
"The students told the State Press, Arizona State's student newspaper, that she engaged in behavior they found racist and discriminatory toward students of color and LGBTQ students."
"Former students found Duh's tweet upsetting because of her treatment of Black students as well as its reference to police officers and George Floyd's family in the same sentence."
"All 23 students who spoke to The State Press said it was well known within the School of Mass Communication and Design that Duh made microaggressive comments that touched on race, sexual orientation and body weight toward students who went "against the grain.""
And the ultimate irony:
""She's an extreme southerner," Gomez Farias said. "She wants people to fall in line with the way that the southern values are, and she doesn't want people to speak a certain way. She doesn't want people to look a certain way. She doesn't want people to dress a certain way, because it's not 'proper.'"
In a bias report interview with the Loyola investigator, a colleague of Duh's said in an interview that students may have misinterpreted her intentions and actions.
"(The colleague) indicated it was his sense that Dr. Duh's being white, southern, and conservative often led students to believe that also meant racist," the investigator wrote. "But he emphasized he had not witnessed anything he would classify as racially biased during his time in the classroom." "
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
Cool story bro.
Thankfully in 59 years of life nobody has said something so stupid as this directly to me individually.Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
I've heard plenty though.
DC has a Democrat black mayor who green lighted that vandalism/art work. And there has been a little feud going back and forth with her and Trump:Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
Forest Bueller said:Thankfully in 59 years of life nobody has said something so stupid as this directly to me individually.Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
I've heard plenty though.
I was pretty dumbfounded.
Flaming Moderate said:
Cool story bro.
Didn't happen or it doesn't matter?
Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
Being a smart ass is still a real thing as well ......but doesn't come with the same condemnation.
And I haven't heard anyone use the term 'jungle bunnies ' in at least 25 years .
What race did you identify the guy as?Booray said:Flaming Moderate said:
Cool story bro.
Didn't happen or it doesn't matter?
For all I know did happen (no reason to doubt you). Does your example matter? Certainly to you.
My quick little story
So I am riding public transportation one day. Sitting in a general area where I could overhear a conversation between two African Americans nearby. They appear to be construction workers (hard hats on laps, lunch pails, overalls, etc). After a stop, two Hispanics walk on to train and start talking in Spanish to each other far enough away you could hear them faintly. African American guy looks at them says a couple of sentence to his buddy/coworker and makes the comment verbatim "These mother*ucking sp*cs taking our jobs ..." loud enough multiple people could hear.
Given the fact that one individual standing inline at checkout with no African Americans apparently present, speaking directly to you is one of your examples and that in 59 years Forest Bueller hasn't had someone say something that blatantly to them individually, over thousands and thousands and thousands of interactions, and that action was words and not actions (not saying that words aren't enough) that left you "dumbfounded" I think some could argue that while racism is real in the USA it could be worse.
Is there a race that doesn't have members that are racist?
(Apologize for bad grammar)
Good think JK Rowling is independently rich...it appears she is next for saying biological women are different than trans women.
Harry Potter, a.k.a. Daniel Radcliffe, is among those standing up to author J.K. Rowling's transphobic remarks.
Harry Potter, a.k.a. Daniel Radcliffe, is among those standing up to author J.K. Rowling's transphobic remarks.
Quote:
Rowling, 54, has repeatedly come out publicly, and often, with statements and tweets supporting people who espouse anti-trans views. Most recently, she objected to a headline referring to "people who menstruate" with a tweet asking, " 'People who menstruate.' I'm sure there used to be a word for those people. Someone help me out. Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?"
"Transgender women are women," Radcliffe wrote Monday. "Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people and goes against all advice given by professional health care associations who have far more expertise on this subject matter than either Jo or I."
I don't think anyone is saying racism doesn't exist. It still does, undoubtedly, and I say that as a conservative.Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
But the issue raised above is a good one. Too many times we have a loud and sometimes violent mob of young people that play the race card every time an authority figure does something they don't like. We have seen several of those stories posted on this board, like the college professor who is surrounded, yelled at and demeaned by a mob of students because he did something they didn't like. When he tried to respond, he was shouted down and chased out of his own classroom. It is like the professor who the mob is trying to get fired for not agreeing to give preferential treatment on final exams to black students right now.
And we are even seeing the spread of cancel culture in the media. When you have a group of young New York Times employees up in arms that their employer - supposedly one of the most reputable news organizations in the world - allowed a conservative senator to publish an op ed in its otherwise daily deluge of Trump bashings, resulting in the editor who allowed the story to run "resigning," you know there is a serious threat to free speech rights in the world today. When you have respected conservative journalists having their opeds reviewed for "sensitivity" by young editors, and being forced into "re-education" classes for daring to opine differently than the mob, you know there is a serious problem. I am sure some of these people would be fine with gulags and re-education camps for those who dare have a different train of thought.
When even stalwart liberals like Bill Mahr and Ricky Gervais are decrying the lack of respect for free speech rights, you know it's bad. As a moderate and reasonable individual, I think you would agree,
I definitely agree.Mothra said:I don't think anyone is saying racism doesn't exist. It still does, undoubtedly, and I say that as a conservative.Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
But the issue raised above is a good one. Too many times we have a loud and sometimes violent mob of young people that play the race card every time an authority figure does something they don't like. We have seen several of those stories posted on this board, like the college professor who is surrounded, yelled at and demeaned by a mob of students because he did something they didn't like. When he tried to respond, he was shouted down and chased out of his own classroom. It is like the professor who the mob is trying to get fired for not agreeing to give preferential treatment on final exams to black students right now.
And we are even seeing the spread of cancel culture in the media. When you have a group of young New York Times employees up in arms that their employer - supposedly one of the most reputable news organizations in the world - allowed a conservative senator to publish an op ed in its otherwise daily deluge of Trump bashings, resulting in the editor who allowed the story to run "resigning," you know there is a serious threat to free speech rights in the world today. When you have respected conservative journalists having their opeds reviewed for "sensitivity" by young editors, and being forced into "re-education" classes for daring to opine differently than the mob, you know there is a serious problem. I am sure some of these people would be fine with gulags and re-education camps for those who dare have a different train of thought.
When even stalwart liberals like Bill Mahr and Ricky Gervais are decrying the lack of respect for free speech rights, you know it's bad. As a moderate and reasonable individual, I think you would agree,
What I was pointing out is the right's tendency to 1) use stories like you mentioned to imply that all complaints of racism are of the snowflake variety and/or (2) argue that minorities are wrong to attach yesterday's sins to today's more open and accepting culture. African-Americans are not crazy to believe that a significant segment of whites harbor racist beliefs; and specifically that many whites believe African-Americans are intellectually inferior and lacking in character/discipline by reason of their race.
Other commentators make the point that African-Americans and people of all races hold racist beliefs, which I am sure is true. None of those beliefs, however, have the impact of the negative stereotypes propagated by some whites about blacks.
I am all for melting the snowflakes, but at the same time we need to quit minimizing the very real impact of racism on the black community.
Don't necessarily disagree, though I think we would probably disagree about the percentage of Americans who are racist. It's getting better (or at least was) with each passing generation, IMO. That said, given the current brand of identity politics now being propagated by the Democrat Party, it does make me wonder what the future holds for my white sons. It seems some people would like for the pendulum to swing the other direction.Booray said:I definitely agree.Mothra said:I don't think anyone is saying racism doesn't exist. It still does, undoubtedly, and I say that as a conservative.Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
But the issue raised above is a good one. Too many times we have a loud and sometimes violent mob of young people that play the race card every time an authority figure does something they don't like. We have seen several of those stories posted on this board, like the college professor who is surrounded, yelled at and demeaned by a mob of students because he did something they didn't like. When he tried to respond, he was shouted down and chased out of his own classroom. It is like the professor who the mob is trying to get fired for not agreeing to give preferential treatment on final exams to black students right now.
And we are even seeing the spread of cancel culture in the media. When you have a group of young New York Times employees up in arms that their employer - supposedly one of the most reputable news organizations in the world - allowed a conservative senator to publish an op ed in its otherwise daily deluge of Trump bashings, resulting in the editor who allowed the story to run "resigning," you know there is a serious threat to free speech rights in the world today. When you have respected conservative journalists having their opeds reviewed for "sensitivity" by young editors, and being forced into "re-education" classes for daring to opine differently than the mob, you know there is a serious problem. I am sure some of these people would be fine with gulags and re-education camps for those who dare have a different train of thought.
When even stalwart liberals like Bill Mahr and Ricky Gervais are decrying the lack of respect for free speech rights, you know it's bad. As a moderate and reasonable individual, I think you would agree,
What I was pointing out is the right's tendency to 1) use stories like you mentioned to imply that all complaints of racism are of the snowflake variety and/or (2) argue that minorities are wrong to attach yesterday's sins to today's more open and accepting culture. African-Americans are not crazy to believe that a significant segment of whites harbor racist beliefs; and specifically that many whites believe African-Americans are intellectually inferior and lacking in character/discipline by reason of their race.
Other commentators make the point that African-Americans and people of all races hold racist beliefs, which I am sure is true. None of those beliefs, however, have the impact of the negative stereotypes propagated by some whites about blacks.
I am all for melting the snowflakes, but at the same time we need to quit minimizing the very real impact of racism on the black community.
It was getting better. Hopefully we will return to that trajectory.Mothra said:Don't necessarily disagree, though I think we would probably disagree about the percentage of Americans who are racist. It's getting better (or at least was) with each passing generation, IMO. That said, given the current brand of identity politics now being propagated by the Democrat Party, it does make me wonder what the future holds for my white sons. It seems some people would like for the pendulum to swing the other direction.Booray said:I definitely agree.Mothra said:I don't think anyone is saying racism doesn't exist. It still does, undoubtedly, and I say that as a conservative.Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
But the issue raised above is a good one. Too many times we have a loud and sometimes violent mob of young people that play the race card every time an authority figure does something they don't like. We have seen several of those stories posted on this board, like the college professor who is surrounded, yelled at and demeaned by a mob of students because he did something they didn't like. When he tried to respond, he was shouted down and chased out of his own classroom. It is like the professor who the mob is trying to get fired for not agreeing to give preferential treatment on final exams to black students right now.
And we are even seeing the spread of cancel culture in the media. When you have a group of young New York Times employees up in arms that their employer - supposedly one of the most reputable news organizations in the world - allowed a conservative senator to publish an op ed in its otherwise daily deluge of Trump bashings, resulting in the editor who allowed the story to run "resigning," you know there is a serious threat to free speech rights in the world today. When you have respected conservative journalists having their opeds reviewed for "sensitivity" by young editors, and being forced into "re-education" classes for daring to opine differently than the mob, you know there is a serious problem. I am sure some of these people would be fine with gulags and re-education camps for those who dare have a different train of thought.
When even stalwart liberals like Bill Mahr and Ricky Gervais are decrying the lack of respect for free speech rights, you know it's bad. As a moderate and reasonable individual, I think you would agree,
What I was pointing out is the right's tendency to 1) use stories like you mentioned to imply that all complaints of racism are of the snowflake variety and/or (2) argue that minorities are wrong to attach yesterday's sins to today's more open and accepting culture. African-Americans are not crazy to believe that a significant segment of whites harbor racist beliefs; and specifically that many whites believe African-Americans are intellectually inferior and lacking in character/discipline by reason of their race.
Other commentators make the point that African-Americans and people of all races hold racist beliefs, which I am sure is true. None of those beliefs, however, have the impact of the negative stereotypes propagated by some whites about blacks.
I am all for melting the snowflakes, but at the same time we need to quit minimizing the very real impact of racism on the black community.
Its not like I don't see the inequities of racial politics. My daughter just went through the med school application process and I was amazed at the games played to equalize the playing field. One of the saddest things about all this is that when overt racism is recognized, it gives a toehold to radical responses.
I have said this before but those who say we become a better society by working hard to eliminate systemic racism are right. And those who say we become a better society by creating a culture of personal responsibility in communities of color are right. Its not an either or thing, but we treat it like it is.
Exactly.Booray said:It was getting better. Hopefully we will return to that trajectory.Mothra said:Don't necessarily disagree, though I think we would probably disagree about the percentage of Americans who are racist. It's getting better (or at least was) with each passing generation, IMO. That said, given the current brand of identity politics now being propagated by the Democrat Party, it does make me wonder what the future holds for my white sons. It seems some people would like for the pendulum to swing the other direction.Booray said:I definitely agree.Mothra said:I don't think anyone is saying racism doesn't exist. It still does, undoubtedly, and I say that as a conservative.Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
But the issue raised above is a good one. Too many times we have a loud and sometimes violent mob of young people that play the race card every time an authority figure does something they don't like. We have seen several of those stories posted on this board, like the college professor who is surrounded, yelled at and demeaned by a mob of students because he did something they didn't like. When he tried to respond, he was shouted down and chased out of his own classroom. It is like the professor who the mob is trying to get fired for not agreeing to give preferential treatment on final exams to black students right now.
And we are even seeing the spread of cancel culture in the media. When you have a group of young New York Times employees up in arms that their employer - supposedly one of the most reputable news organizations in the world - allowed a conservative senator to publish an op ed in its otherwise daily deluge of Trump bashings, resulting in the editor who allowed the story to run "resigning," you know there is a serious threat to free speech rights in the world today. When you have respected conservative journalists having their opeds reviewed for "sensitivity" by young editors, and being forced into "re-education" classes for daring to opine differently than the mob, you know there is a serious problem. I am sure some of these people would be fine with gulags and re-education camps for those who dare have a different train of thought.
When even stalwart liberals like Bill Mahr and Ricky Gervais are decrying the lack of respect for free speech rights, you know it's bad. As a moderate and reasonable individual, I think you would agree,
What I was pointing out is the right's tendency to 1) use stories like you mentioned to imply that all complaints of racism are of the snowflake variety and/or (2) argue that minorities are wrong to attach yesterday's sins to today's more open and accepting culture. African-Americans are not crazy to believe that a significant segment of whites harbor racist beliefs; and specifically that many whites believe African-Americans are intellectually inferior and lacking in character/discipline by reason of their race.
Other commentators make the point that African-Americans and people of all races hold racist beliefs, which I am sure is true. None of those beliefs, however, have the impact of the negative stereotypes propagated by some whites about blacks.
I am all for melting the snowflakes, but at the same time we need to quit minimizing the very real impact of racism on the black community.
Its not like I don't see the inequities of racial politics. My daughter just went through the med school application process and I was amazed at the games played to equalize the playing field. One of the saddest things about all this is that when overt racism is recognized, it gives a toehold to radical responses.
I have said this before but those who say we become a better society by working hard to eliminate systemic racism are right. And those who say we become a better society by creating a culture of personal responsibility in communities of color are right. Its not an either or thing, but we treat it like it is.
Do you believe that a significant segment of blacks harbor racist beliefs?Bo said:
... African-Americans are not crazy to believe that a significant segment of whites harbor racist beliefs; ...
It would be nice to if the gov't stopped asking us which color/race we are - on every damn form
Yes, let's pretend racism doesn't exist. Will someone be digging up this video and the mob making sure this woman is fired from her job?
EDIT: This is an almost 10 minute profanity and racist laden video. If you don't want to endure the entire thing, a few minutes at about the 3 minute market and then the ending monologue of the last couple of minutes will give you the gist.
Edit: well, I guess YouTube removed it. I'm sure the Facebook Live was deleted too. Below is a link to an article and a video snippet of the incident.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/06/08/watch-black-woman-goes-on-a-tirade-because-shes-unable-to-loot-a-neighborhood-store-n2570194
EDIT: This is an almost 10 minute profanity and racist laden video. If you don't want to endure the entire thing, a few minutes at about the 3 minute market and then the ending monologue of the last couple of minutes will give you the gist.
Edit: well, I guess YouTube removed it. I'm sure the Facebook Live was deleted too. Below is a link to an article and a video snippet of the incident.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/06/08/watch-black-woman-goes-on-a-tirade-because-shes-unable-to-loot-a-neighborhood-store-n2570194
I do not think anyone disagrees with you, but these conversations always break down when the required specificity is probed or solutions proposed. They usually morph into something that has nothing to do with race.Booray said:I definitely agree.Mothra said:I don't think anyone is saying racism doesn't exist. It still does, undoubtedly, and I say that as a conservative.Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
But the issue raised above is a good one. Too many times we have a loud and sometimes violent mob of young people that play the race card every time an authority figure does something they don't like. We have seen several of those stories posted on this board, like the college professor who is surrounded, yelled at and demeaned by a mob of students because he did something they didn't like. When he tried to respond, he was shouted down and chased out of his own classroom. It is like the professor who the mob is trying to get fired for not agreeing to give preferential treatment on final exams to black students right now.
And we are even seeing the spread of cancel culture in the media. When you have a group of young New York Times employees up in arms that their employer - supposedly one of the most reputable news organizations in the world - allowed a conservative senator to publish an op ed in its otherwise daily deluge of Trump bashings, resulting in the editor who allowed the story to run "resigning," you know there is a serious threat to free speech rights in the world today. When you have respected conservative journalists having their opeds reviewed for "sensitivity" by young editors, and being forced into "re-education" classes for daring to opine differently than the mob, you know there is a serious problem. I am sure some of these people would be fine with gulags and re-education camps for those who dare have a different train of thought.
When even stalwart liberals like Bill Mahr and Ricky Gervais are decrying the lack of respect for free speech rights, you know it's bad. As a moderate and reasonable individual, I think you would agree,
What I was pointing out is the right's tendency to 1) use stories like you mentioned to imply that all complaints of racism are of the snowflake variety and/or (2) argue that minorities are wrong to attach yesterday's sins to today's more open and accepting culture. African-Americans are not crazy to believe that a significant segment of whites harbor racist beliefs; and specifically that many whites believe African-Americans are intellectually inferior and lacking in character/discipline by reason of their race.
Other commentators make the point that African-Americans and people of all races hold racist beliefs, which I am sure is true. None of those beliefs, however, have the impact of the negative stereotypes propagated by some whites about blacks.
I am all for melting the snowflakes, but at the same time we need to quit minimizing the very real impact of racism on the black community.
For example, quantify for me the "real impact of racism on the black community" from random, isolated incidents of Karens being *******s? What are other, real, tangible things occurring today that have "very real impact of racism on the black community?"
There is a pattern in all of these vague accusations that make sweeping claims but do poor jobs of really supporting in the details. Any question is met with the indignant, "so you don't believe there is racism?" "Are you denying racism exists?"
I am very interested in solving problems not necessarily playing politics of blame game. I may be incorrect, but it seems like "racism" is a Trojan Horse for broader based social control just like "Black Lives Matter" has very little to do with blacks or lives.
Of course that would leave race baiters the ability to make up any statistic they want without counter.HashTag said:
It would be nice to if the gov't stopped asking us which color/race we are - on every damn form
We are going after people for 8 year old tweets so...
How are Justin Trudeau, Ralph Northam, Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon still employed after appearing in blackface????
How are Justin Trudeau, Ralph Northam, Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon still employed after appearing in blackface????
The same reason Biden is getting a pass regarding his sexual assault allegations. For the lynch mob, it has never been about truth or justice or something virtuous. It has always been about winning elections and gaining power.Jack Bauer said:
We are going after people for 8 year old tweets so...
How are Justin Trudeau, Ralph Northam, Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon still employed after appearing in blackface????
agree. this is where mob mentality needs to be checked by due process and, I don't know, grown up thinkingFlaming Moderate said:
This is the fundamental problem of so-called "racism" today:
"The students told the State Press, Arizona State's student newspaper, that she engaged in behavior they found racist and discriminatory toward students of color and LGBTQ students."
"Former students found Duh's tweet upsetting because of her treatment of Black students as well as its reference to police officers and George Floyd's family in the same sentence."
"All 23 students who spoke to The State Press said it was well known within the School of Mass Communication and Design that Duh made microaggressive comments that touched on race, sexual orientation and body weight toward students who went "against the grain.""
And the ultimate irony:
""She's an extreme southerner," Gomez Farias said. "She wants people to fall in line with the way that the southern values are, and she doesn't want people to speak a certain way. She doesn't want people to look a certain way. She doesn't want people to dress a certain way, because it's not 'proper.'"
In a bias report interview with the Loyola investigator, a colleague of Duh's said in an interview that students may have misinterpreted her intentions and actions.
"(The colleague) indicated it was his sense that Dr. Duh's being white, southern, and conservative often led students to believe that also meant racist," the investigator wrote. "But he emphasized he had not witnessed anything he would classify as racially biased during his time in the classroom." "
57Bear said:Do you believe that a significant segment of blacks harbor racist beliefs?Bo said:
... African-Americans are not crazy to believe that a significant segment of whites harbor racist beliefs; ...
Personal examples, first hand accounts from people that I and my wife know.
African American man, white wife.
Husband's African American friend: "I like you, but I don't trust your white wife."
African American man working for city in predominantly white town.
Retired employee comes in and office: What's that n-word doing here?
(Probably a better job than you did).
Black college student. Going to class, doing his work.
Other African American college students: "Why are you trying to be white?"
What is "a significant portion?"
And how many ******** does it take to make the whole melting pot smell like crap?
Point taken, but rioting and looting tends to bake in views rather than change them.Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
Mob comes for Paw Patrol. A cartoon show with a dog playing a police officer is now offensive.
Please stop the planet, I wanna get off.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/arts/television/protests-fictional-cops.html
The Protests Come for 'Paw Patrol'
A backlash is mounting against depictions of "good cops," on television and in the street.
Please stop the planet, I wanna get off.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/arts/television/protests-fictional-cops.html
The Protests Come for 'Paw Patrol'
A backlash is mounting against depictions of "good cops," on television and in the street.
100% correctBaylorFTW said:The same reason Biden is getting a pass regarding his sexual assault allegations. For the lynch mob, it has never been about truth or justice or something virtuous. It has always been about winning elections and gaining power.Jack Bauer said:
We are going after people for 8 year old tweets so...
How are Justin Trudeau, Ralph Northam, Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon still employed after appearing in blackface????
For starters:Flaming Moderate said:What are other, real, tangible things occurring today that have "very real impact of racism on the black community?"Booray said:I definitely agree.Mothra said:I don't think anyone is saying racism doesn't exist. It still does, undoubtedly, and I say that as a conservative.Booray said:
Lets not pretend that racism doesn't exist:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/naval-academy-alumni-board-member-163638287.html
I was in a store last Friday afternoon. Guy I don't know is in line with me and asked if I had "seen what they did in Washington D.C.?" Told him that a lot of things had happened in D.C. lately, which one was he talking about? "Painting the street; that is vandalism, how are they not arrested?" When I told him that it was unlikely that a city paint crew acting on the mayor's orders would get arrested, i thought he was going to have a heart attack.
After regaining his composure he looks at me and says-loud enough for others to hear: "When white people get hurt they don't act like this. They don't act like a bunch of jungle bunnies." Last sentence was verbatim.
Told him we disagreed on the subject and maybe he needed to tone it down.
Racism is a real thing still, as much as you wish it wasn't.
But the issue raised above is a good one. Too many times we have a loud and sometimes violent mob of young people that play the race card every time an authority figure does something they don't like. We have seen several of those stories posted on this board, like the college professor who is surrounded, yelled at and demeaned by a mob of students because he did something they didn't like. When he tried to respond, he was shouted down and chased out of his own classroom. It is like the professor who the mob is trying to get fired for not agreeing to give preferential treatment on final exams to black students right now.
And we are even seeing the spread of cancel culture in the media. When you have a group of young New York Times employees up in arms that their employer - supposedly one of the most reputable news organizations in the world - allowed a conservative senator to publish an op ed in its otherwise daily deluge of Trump bashings, resulting in the editor who allowed the story to run "resigning," you know there is a serious threat to free speech rights in the world today. When you have respected conservative journalists having their opeds reviewed for "sensitivity" by young editors, and being forced into "re-education" classes for daring to opine differently than the mob, you know there is a serious problem. I am sure some of these people would be fine with gulags and re-education camps for those who dare have a different train of thought.
When even stalwart liberals like Bill Mahr and Ricky Gervais are decrying the lack of respect for free speech rights, you know it's bad. As a moderate and reasonable individual, I think you would agree,
What I was pointing out is the right's tendency to 1) use stories like you mentioned to imply that all complaints of racism are of the snowflake variety and/or (2) argue that minorities are wrong to attach yesterday's sins to today's more open and accepting culture. African-Americans are not crazy to believe that a significant segment of whites harbor racist beliefs; and specifically that many whites believe African-Americans are intellectually inferior and lacking in character/discipline by reason of their race.
Other commentators make the point that African-Americans and people of all races hold racist beliefs, which I am sure is true. None of those beliefs, however, have the impact of the negative stereotypes propagated by some whites about blacks.
I am all for melting the snowflakes, but at the same time we need to quit minimizing the very real impact of racism on the black community.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3483928/ Racism's impact on healthcare delivery
https://www.asanet.org/sites/default/files/savvy/images/press/docs/pdf/ASARaceCrime.pdf Racism and the criminal justice system
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/the-state-of-healthcare-in-the-united-states/minority-womens-health/ Racism's impact on employment and wages
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-sector/our-insights/the-economic-impact-of-closing-the-racial-wealth-gap Racism and the wealth gap
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0154535 Racism and mortality
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/upshot/how-redlinings-racist-effects-lasted-for-decades.html Impact of race-based redlining
For enders:
Use some common sense. We enslave a people for 200 years. When we free them we relegate them to a legally sanctioned caste system for another 90 years. For the next 25 years we have laws on the books that say discrimination is wrong, but we fight in every way possible the application of those laws. Finally, by the late 1960's we reach a general consensus that discrimination is a bad thing but there are still sizable pockets of the country that reject that idea.
Do you really think that 300+ years of oppression has not had a "very real impact" on the black people living today?
List five racist institutions today (proper noun) - with evidence.
And explain how penniless immigrants make in less than one generation?
And explain how penniless immigrants make in less than one generation?
They better take the security tags off of flat screen TVs and unlock the razors too now.
Quote:
Walmart will no longer place "multicultural hair care and beauty products" in locked cases in any of its stores, the company confirmed Wednesday.
The practice, which Walmart says was only in place "in about a dozen" of its 4,700 U.S. stores, has received criticism for the implication that the customers who buy these products, largely people of color, can't be trusted. The cases must be unlocked by a store associate, and the products are usually then taken to the front of the store for purchase.
CBS Denver reporter Tori Mason was the first to disclose the change, after receiving an email from Walmart in response to her story highlighting a situation that people of color have long faced.
Flaming Moderate said:
List five racist institutions today (proper noun) - with evidence.
And explain how penniless immigrants make in less than one generation?
He asked a legitimate question:
"Do you really think that 300+ years of oppression has not had a "very real impact" on the black people living today?"
InsaneJack Bauer said:
Mob comes for Paw Patrol. A cartoon show with a dog playing a police officer is now offensive.
Please stop the planet, I wanna get off.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/arts/television/protests-fictional-cops.html
The Protests Come for 'Paw Patrol'
A backlash is mounting against depictions of "good cops," on television and in the street.
Can't wait for Disney to come out w/ their new cartoon showing cops killing people to give in to the .01% of the mob