BornAgain said:

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I'm in the All Lives Matter boat. Not discounting that black lives matter. I oppose the destruction of our country and disrespect shown to authority. The way that BLM goes about its business and wanting to defund Police is absurd. As Christians we should love everyone as ourself. I for one do not love what is going on in our country. I for one have trouble loving the hate.

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Sure you're discounting it when you pretend not to understand what BLM means.

you guys are clowns to the 1st degree

ShooterTX said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Two excerpts showing Mothra's selective reading of my politifact posts:

Excerpt 1:

In July, the New York Times reported that Black Lives Matter may be the largest movement in U.S. history, as four polls suggest that about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of Floyd and others in recent weeks. (That does not account for similar protests overseas.)

"I am fairly convinced these are mostly attempts to smear anti-racist activists. I think in some media, 'Marxist' is dog-whistle for something horrible, like 'Nazi', and thus enables to delegitimize/dehumanize them," Miriyam Aouragh, a lecturer at the London-based Westminster School of Media and Communication, told PolitiFact.
Black Lives Matter "is not an organization, but a fluid movement; it doesn't actually matter if one of its founders was a liberal, Marxist, socialist or capitalist."

Excerpt 2:

Backlash against Black Lives Matter includes branding it as Marxist
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The attack has been made in recent weeks by Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal lawyer; Ben Carson, Trump's secretary of Housing and Urban Development; conservative talk show host Mark Levin; and PragerU, which has more than 4 million Facebook followers.

Aren't sure what Marxism is, actually? It was developed by 19th century German philosopher Karl Marx and is the basis for the theory of communism and socialism. "Marxism envisioned the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism by the proletariat (working class people) and eventually a classless communist society," Encyclopedia Britannica and Oxford Reference say.

These days, Marxism usually means analyzing social change through an economic lens, with the assumption that the rich and the poor should become more equal.

In a recently surfaced 2015 interview, one of the three Black Lives Matter co-founders declared that she and another co-founder "are trained Marxists."

But the movement has grown and broadened dramatically. Many Americans, few of whom would identify as Marxists, support Black Lives Matter, drawn to its message of anti-racism.

"Regardless of whatever the professed politics of people may be who are prominent in the movement, they don't represent its breadth," said Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Princeton University African American Studies professor and author of "From #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation."

"There are definitely socialists within the movement, as there have been in every single social movement in 20th century American history and today. But that does not make those socialist movements, it makes them mass movements," she said.

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try watching the video, and explain it away after that.



They openly claim to be Marxists, and their list of demands falls perfectly in line with modern Marxism.

BLM is an anti-Christian organization, that is claiming to be anti-racist. It is NOT about racism, but is totally about pushing a Marxist agenda.

The fact that you are supporting BLM so fervently, is just further evidence of their Marxism/Anti-Christianity.

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Don't try to tar BLM with me. I've attended one march with my daughter, because she asked me to go. I'm not giving them money. I do think their movement is justified. I don't think they are Marxists. I'm tired of seeing the blizzard of discrediting talking points that also discredit the reality that black people are disproportionately targeted by the criminal justice system and too many of them are killed or injured by police or end up in jail for minor crimes or crimes they didn't commit. I'm disgusted that any Christian, especially one who believes that Jesus was unjustly executed by a rigged criminal justice system, doesn't find the way police treat black people in this country unacceptable. Instead, you and your "Christian" buddies are denying and defending those practices or trying to diminish them or saying "if only they'd cooperated." Floyd ultimately cooperated and his fear of being killed by a mean cop was realized. On camera. How can you excuse that?

Here's a good article about the tension between evangelical Christianity and Black Lives Matter. Calling is an "anti Christian organziation" is just simply wrong, to the point of bearing false witness. Which some hard-right evangelical churches are clearly willng to do: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/white-evangelicals-black-lives-matter/613738/'

Even the language of what constitutes "justice" is controversial among evangelicals. In 2018, a group of pastors led by John MacArthur, an influential white megachurch pastor in California, signed a statement decrying "social justice" and arguing against "postmodern ideologies derived from intersectionality, radical feminism, and critical race theory." It condemned "political or social activism" as not being "integral components of the gospel or primary to the mission of the church." This kind of sentiment is common among white evangelical leaders, several Black leaders who work in these spaces told me: White pastors aggressively enforce the boundaries of acceptable conversations on racism, weaponizing any position that bears even a whiff of progressive politics and slapping labels such as "social justice" and "cultural Marxism" on arguments about systemic injustice. Black leaders at predominately white organizations are careful to emphasize that caring about racism is a gospel issue.

"If it's just a social-justice thing or a cultural thing, it's easy to dismiss, because that bases the conversation in ideology," Arthur Satterwhite III, the vice president of multiethnic ministries at Young Life, a prominent youth-ministry organization, told me. Some white pastors seek out Black voices who echo their own political beliefs, Mwuara told me. "I literally had to go on social media and just say, 'Please do not send me any more Candace Owens videos,'" he said, referring to the right-wing commentator and former communications director for Turning Point USA. When pastors do this, according to Mwuara, they see it as "teaching us something that we have missed. The problem with that is that you are really discounting 90 percent of Black Americans' viewpoints."

No matter how much goodwill they may have, white evangelical leaders repeatedly say and do things that are wildly hurtful to people of color in their communities. In June, at the peak of the protests against Floyd's death, Louie Giglio, the Atlanta megachurch pastor, said in an onstage conversation with the popular hip-hop artist Lecrae and Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy that the term white privilege should be replaced with white blessing to "get over the phrase" that shuts down conversations on racism. Afterward, according to The Washington Post, Lecrae stepped into his unofficial racism-consultant role, telling Giglio how uncomfortable he was with the suggestion. (Giglio later apologized.) Last month, Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University, tweeted an image of a face mask decorated with one person in a Ku Klux Klan robe and another in blackface. Several dozen Black alumni of Liberty University, including pastors and other Christian leaders, sent a letter expressing their outrage at his "infantile behavior." (Falwell Jr. later apologized.) Jua Robinson, a pastor who founded a multiethnic church in Boston and was one of the Liberty letter's signatories, told me he has become accustomed to seeing white Christian leaders get flummoxed by issues of race:When Robinson was in his early 20s and working on the staff of Athletes in Action, a ministry of the organization formerly known as Campus Crusade for Christ, he asked a worship leader to try playing a gospel song. She got flustered, and "basically walked away from it," he told me. "The chords may be a little different, but if you know that I'm here, and others may appreciate it, why not at least give it a try?" Robinson is often the only Black person in the room at church-related events, he said, and he is regularly asked to speak to his colleagues about race. "Some of these people don't really have relationships with people of color," he told me. "I felt like God had given me a voice and a lane and a certain level of trust."

In recent weeks, as the country has confronted the deaths of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, and other victims of racist violence, white pastors have put out statements and hosted Sunday-morning conversations about the scourge of bigotry in our nation. Yet even these good-faith efforts often indulge "the empty sentimentality that people associate with racism," Pinckney said, and focus on individual relationships and behaviors: "We need to love each other, to treat each other well." This is no accident. "Evangelical theology tends to be very personal, highly relational, and therefore, engaging issues of systems and structures becomes incredibly difficult," says Greg Jao, the director of external relations at InterVarsity, an influential ministry organization that focuses on college campuses. Many white evangelicals may be on board with the idea of banishing racism from their heart, but may not be ready to confront the policy issues, such as racist policing, that enable the kind of violence that killed George Floyd. As of 2018, 71 percent of white evangelicals believed that incidents of police officers killing Black men are isolated and not part of a broader pattern, according to a survey from the Public Religion Research Institute. "A mainly intrapersonal, friendship-based reconciliation [is] virtually powerless to change the structural and systemic inequalities along racial lines in this country," Tisby told me.

For all the energy being devoted to addressing racism in the white evangelical world, the aftermath of George Floyd's death is not necessarily a turning point in how white evangelicals think about race, several Black leaders I spoke with argued. "About every four to five years, there's a larger national-level racial conversation, and many churches will make some gesture at that," Jao told me. "Then they don't speak on it again, don't notice the things that are happening locally or nationally, until the next major explosion." One test of the effects of this summer's protests is whether they will shift conversations about race and policing in conservative political circles. Nearly one-third of white people in the United States identify as evangelicals, and a strong majority of this group is Republican. White Christians are distinctively positioned to push politicians to take this issue seriously.

Ultimately, though, the Black leaders I spoke with do their work for the sake of the church, not for political gain. "It's not the responsibility of the ordinary Black person to educate white people. That, in itself, is oppressive," says Latasha Morrison, the founder and president of Be the Bridge, an organization that trains staff at predominantly conservative, white churches and organizations on how to have conversations about race.

In Charleston, Pinckney has spent the past month toggling between competing reactions to Floyd's death: the desire to shield his two young sons from violence, to lead his church with wisdom, to punch a wall. A few years ago, Pinckney and other local pastors formed a collective, 1Charleston, to encourage churches in the city to take on conversations about racism and the gospel. His city knows all too well the devastating effects of racist violence on the church. "I long for the day that I don't get these messages, and I don't have to talk about these things," Pinckney told me. But "the same God who called me to disciple also called me to speak out against injustice."

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Wow... that is a very long read. For those who want the clifnotes for the above... here it is.... Bull *****
Everything above is just absolute Bull *****

Social Justice has NOTHING to do with justice. It is a political tactic to attack & silence Constitutionalists, and simultaneously introduce leftist idealogy.

To put it very simply, the word justice does not need a modifier. Justice is justice... social or otherwise. Once you put a modifier in front of the word, it ceases to be justice. Instead it is some lopsided outcome, based upon race, sex, religion, etc.

The correct action for an actual follower of Christ, is to condemn the killing of George Floyd. Supporting the BLM organization is wrong.
The BLM organization is absolutely anti-Christian. It promotes the destruction of the family, which is totally in contrast to how FATHER, SON and Holy Spirit describe themselves and their relation to man. That's just one prime example... but do you really need more?? BLM is targeting the very core of Christianity, by targeting Biblical family structure. You can't be anti-family, and claim to be a Christian. That is almost as crazy as claiming to be a Christian, but saying you really don't like Jesus at all.

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Jesus was a bachelor. Paul preached marriage only as an alternative to lust but encouraged the unmarried to stay that way in order to devote themselves to following Christ.

And much of Christ's teaching supports social justice: 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'

I do not agree that BLM "promotes the desctrution of the family."

Finally, where do women factor into the "FATHER, SON and Holy Spirit...and their relation to man"? Thanks to low economic opportunity and an inequitable criminal justice system, many black women must go it alone whether or not that's their preference. My understanding is that BLM acknowledges that the strict nuclear structure you apparently believe Christianity mandates is not possible for many minority families.

How far do you think the restrictions mandated by your personal religious beliefs about race, marriage and family should extend into society?

ShooterTX said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Two excerpts showing Mothra's selective reading of my politifact posts:

Excerpt 1:

In July, the New York Times reported that Black Lives Matter may be the largest movement in U.S. history, as four polls suggest that about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of Floyd and others in recent weeks. (That does not account for similar protests overseas.)

"I am fairly convinced these are mostly attempts to smear anti-racist activists. I think in some media, 'Marxist' is dog-whistle for something horrible, like 'Nazi', and thus enables to delegitimize/dehumanize them," Miriyam Aouragh, a lecturer at the London-based Westminster School of Media and Communication, told PolitiFact.
Black Lives Matter "is not an organization, but a fluid movement; it doesn't actually matter if one of its founders was a liberal, Marxist, socialist or capitalist."

Excerpt 2:

Backlash against Black Lives Matter includes branding it as Marxist
.
The attack has been made in recent weeks by Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal lawyer; Ben Carson, Trump's secretary of Housing and Urban Development; conservative talk show host Mark Levin; and PragerU, which has more than 4 million Facebook followers.

Aren't sure what Marxism is, actually? It was developed by 19th century German philosopher Karl Marx and is the basis for the theory of communism and socialism. "Marxism envisioned the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism by the proletariat (working class people) and eventually a classless communist society," Encyclopedia Britannica and Oxford Reference say.

These days, Marxism usually means analyzing social change through an economic lens, with the assumption that the rich and the poor should become more equal.

In a recently surfaced 2015 interview, one of the three Black Lives Matter co-founders declared that she and another co-founder "are trained Marxists."

But the movement has grown and broadened dramatically. Many Americans, few of whom would identify as Marxists, support Black Lives Matter, drawn to its message of anti-racism.

"Regardless of whatever the professed politics of people may be who are prominent in the movement, they don't represent its breadth," said Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Princeton University African American Studies professor and author of "From #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation."

"There are definitely socialists within the movement, as there have been in every single social movement in 20th century American history and today. But that does not make those socialist movements, it makes them mass movements," she said.

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try watching the video, and explain it away after that.



They openly claim to be Marxists, and their list of demands falls perfectly in line with modern Marxism.

BLM is an anti-Christian organization, that is claiming to be anti-racist. It is NOT about racism, but is totally about pushing a Marxist agenda.

The fact that you are supporting BLM so fervently, is just further evidence of their Marxism/Anti-Christianity.

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Don't try to tar BLM with me. I've attended one march with my daughter, because she asked me to go. I'm not giving them money. I do think their movement is justified. I don't think they are Marxists. I'm tired of seeing the blizzard of discrediting talking points that also discredit the reality that black people are disproportionately targeted by the criminal justice system and too many of them are killed or injured by police or end up in jail for minor crimes or crimes they didn't commit. I'm disgusted that any Christian, especially one who believes that Jesus was unjustly executed by a rigged criminal justice system, doesn't find the way police treat black people in this country unacceptable. Instead, you and your "Christian" buddies are denying and defending those practices or trying to diminish them or saying "if only they'd cooperated." Floyd ultimately cooperated and his fear of being killed by a mean cop was realized. On camera. How can you excuse that?

Here's a good article about the tension between evangelical Christianity and Black Lives Matter. Calling is an "anti Christian organziation" is just simply wrong, to the point of bearing false witness. Which some hard-right evangelical churches are clearly willng to do: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/white-evangelicals-black-lives-matter/613738/'

Even the language of what constitutes "justice" is controversial among evangelicals. In 2018, a group of pastors led by John MacArthur, an influential white megachurch pastor in California, signed a statement decrying "social justice" and arguing against "postmodern ideologies derived from intersectionality, radical feminism, and critical race theory." It condemned "political or social activism" as not being "integral components of the gospel or primary to the mission of the church." This kind of sentiment is common among white evangelical leaders, several Black leaders who work in these spaces told me: White pastors aggressively enforce the boundaries of acceptable conversations on racism, weaponizing any position that bears even a whiff of progressive politics and slapping labels such as "social justice" and "cultural Marxism" on arguments about systemic injustice. Black leaders at predominately white organizations are careful to emphasize that caring about racism is a gospel issue.

"If it's just a social-justice thing or a cultural thing, it's easy to dismiss, because that bases the conversation in ideology," Arthur Satterwhite III, the vice president of multiethnic ministries at Young Life, a prominent youth-ministry organization, told me. Some white pastors seek out Black voices who echo their own political beliefs, Mwuara told me. "I literally had to go on social media and just say, 'Please do not send me any more Candace Owens videos,'" he said, referring to the right-wing commentator and former communications director for Turning Point USA. When pastors do this, according to Mwuara, they see it as "teaching us something that we have missed. The problem with that is that you are really discounting 90 percent of Black Americans' viewpoints."

No matter how much goodwill they may have, white evangelical leaders repeatedly say and do things that are wildly hurtful to people of color in their communities. In June, at the peak of the protests against Floyd's death, Louie Giglio, the Atlanta megachurch pastor, said in an onstage conversation with the popular hip-hop artist Lecrae and Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy that the term white privilege should be replaced with white blessing to "get over the phrase" that shuts down conversations on racism. Afterward, according to The Washington Post, Lecrae stepped into his unofficial racism-consultant role, telling Giglio how uncomfortable he was with the suggestion. (Giglio later apologized.) Last month, Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University, tweeted an image of a face mask decorated with one person in a Ku Klux Klan robe and another in blackface. Several dozen Black alumni of Liberty University, including pastors and other Christian leaders, sent a letter expressing their outrage at his "infantile behavior." (Falwell Jr. later apologized.) Jua Robinson, a pastor who founded a multiethnic church in Boston and was one of the Liberty letter's signatories, told me he has become accustomed to seeing white Christian leaders get flummoxed by issues of race:When Robinson was in his early 20s and working on the staff of Athletes in Action, a ministry of the organization formerly known as Campus Crusade for Christ, he asked a worship leader to try playing a gospel song. She got flustered, and "basically walked away from it," he told me. "The chords may be a little different, but if you know that I'm here, and others may appreciate it, why not at least give it a try?" Robinson is often the only Black person in the room at church-related events, he said, and he is regularly asked to speak to his colleagues about race. "Some of these people don't really have relationships with people of color," he told me. "I felt like God had given me a voice and a lane and a certain level of trust."

In recent weeks, as the country has confronted the deaths of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, and other victims of racist violence, white pastors have put out statements and hosted Sunday-morning conversations about the scourge of bigotry in our nation. Yet even these good-faith efforts often indulge "the empty sentimentality that people associate with racism," Pinckney said, and focus on individual relationships and behaviors: "We need to love each other, to treat each other well." This is no accident. "Evangelical theology tends to be very personal, highly relational, and therefore, engaging issues of systems and structures becomes incredibly difficult," says Greg Jao, the director of external relations at InterVarsity, an influential ministry organization that focuses on college campuses. Many white evangelicals may be on board with the idea of banishing racism from their heart, but may not be ready to confront the policy issues, such as racist policing, that enable the kind of violence that killed George Floyd. As of 2018, 71 percent of white evangelicals believed that incidents of police officers killing Black men are isolated and not part of a broader pattern, according to a survey from the Public Religion Research Institute. "A mainly intrapersonal, friendship-based reconciliation [is] virtually powerless to change the structural and systemic inequalities along racial lines in this country," Tisby told me.

For all the energy being devoted to addressing racism in the white evangelical world, the aftermath of George Floyd's death is not necessarily a turning point in how white evangelicals think about race, several Black leaders I spoke with argued. "About every four to five years, there's a larger national-level racial conversation, and many churches will make some gesture at that," Jao told me. "Then they don't speak on it again, don't notice the things that are happening locally or nationally, until the next major explosion." One test of the effects of this summer's protests is whether they will shift conversations about race and policing in conservative political circles. Nearly one-third of white people in the United States identify as evangelicals, and a strong majority of this group is Republican. White Christians are distinctively positioned to push politicians to take this issue seriously.

Ultimately, though, the Black leaders I spoke with do their work for the sake of the church, not for political gain. "It's not the responsibility of the ordinary Black person to educate white people. That, in itself, is oppressive," says Latasha Morrison, the founder and president of Be the Bridge, an organization that trains staff at predominantly conservative, white churches and organizations on how to have conversations about race.

In Charleston, Pinckney has spent the past month toggling between competing reactions to Floyd's death: the desire to shield his two young sons from violence, to lead his church with wisdom, to punch a wall. A few years ago, Pinckney and other local pastors formed a collective, 1Charleston, to encourage churches in the city to take on conversations about racism and the gospel. His city knows all too well the devastating effects of racist violence on the church. "I long for the day that I don't get these messages, and I don't have to talk about these things," Pinckney told me. But "the same God who called me to disciple also called me to speak out against injustice."

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Wow... that is a very long read. For those who want the clifnotes for the above... here it is.... Bull *****
Everything above is just absolute Bull *****

Social Justice has NOTHING to do with justice. It is a political tactic to attack & silence Constitutionalists, and simultaneously introduce leftist idealogy.

To put it very simply, the word justice does not need a modifier. Justice is justice... social or otherwise. Once you put a modifier in front of the word, it ceases to be justice. Instead it is some lopsided outcome, based upon race, sex, religion, etc.

The correct action for an actual follower of Christ, is to condemn the killing of George Floyd. Supporting the BLM organization is wrong.
The BLM organization is absolutely anti-Christian. It promotes the destruction of the family, which is totally in contrast to how FATHER, SON and Holy Spirit describe themselves and their relation to man. That's just one prime example... but do you really need more?? BLM is targeting the very core of Christianity, by targeting Biblical family structure. You can't be anti-family, and claim to be a Christian. That is almost as crazy as claiming to be a Christian, but saying you really don't like Jesus at all.

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I agree with MLK who said:

"Honesty impels us to admit that the church has not been true to its social mission on the question of social justice. In this area it has failed Christ miserably. This failure is due not only to the fact that the church has been appallingly silent and disastrously indifferent to the realm of race relations but even more to the fact that it has often been an active participant in shaping and crystallizing the patterns of the race-caste system."

ATL Bear said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Jinx 2 said:

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Two excerpts showing Mothra's selective reading of my politifact posts:

Excerpt 1:

In July, the New York Times reported that Black Lives Matter may be the largest movement in U.S. history, as four polls suggest that about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of Floyd and others in recent weeks. (That does not account for similar protests overseas.)

"I am fairly convinced these are mostly attempts to smear anti-racist activists. I think in some media, 'Marxist' is dog-whistle for something horrible, like 'Nazi', and thus enables to delegitimize/dehumanize them," Miriyam Aouragh, a lecturer at the London-based Westminster School of Media and Communication, told PolitiFact.
Black Lives Matter "is not an organization, but a fluid movement; it doesn't actually matter if one of its founders was a liberal, Marxist, socialist or capitalist."

Excerpt 2:

Backlash against Black Lives Matter includes branding it as Marxist
.
The attack has been made in recent weeks by Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal lawyer; Ben Carson, Trump's secretary of Housing and Urban Development; conservative talk show host Mark Levin; and PragerU, which has more than 4 million Facebook followers.

Aren't sure what Marxism is, actually? It was developed by 19th century German philosopher Karl Marx and is the basis for the theory of communism and socialism. "Marxism envisioned the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism by the proletariat (working class people) and eventually a classless communist society," Encyclopedia Britannica and Oxford Reference say.

These days, Marxism usually means analyzing social change through an economic lens, with the assumption that the rich and the poor should become more equal.

In a recently surfaced 2015 interview, one of the three Black Lives Matter co-founders declared that she and another co-founder "are trained Marxists."

But the movement has grown and broadened dramatically. Many Americans, few of whom would identify as Marxists, support Black Lives Matter, drawn to its message of anti-racism.

"Regardless of whatever the professed politics of people may be who are prominent in the movement, they don't represent its breadth," said Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, Princeton University African American Studies professor and author of "From #BlackLivesMatter to Black Liberation."

"There are definitely socialists within the movement, as there have been in every single social movement in 20th century American history and today. But that does not make those socialist movements, it makes them mass movements," she said.

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try watching the video, and explain it away after that.



They openly claim to be Marxists, and their list of demands falls perfectly in line with modern Marxism.

BLM is an anti-Christian organization, that is claiming to be anti-racist. It is NOT about racism, but is totally about pushing a Marxist agenda.

The fact that you are supporting BLM so fervently, is just further evidence of their Marxism/Anti-Christianity.

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Don't try to tar BLM with me. I've attended one march with my daughter, because she asked me to go. I'm not giving them money. I do think their movement is justified. I don't think they are Marxists. I'm tired of seeing the blizzard of discrediting talking points that also discredit the reality that black people are disproportionately targeted by the criminal justice system and too many of them are killed or injured by police or end up in jail for minor crimes or crimes they didn't commit. I'm disgusted that any Christian, especially one who believes that Jesus was unjustly executed by a rigged criminal justice system, doesn't find the way police treat black people in this country unacceptable. Instead, you and your "Christian" buddies are denying and defending those practices or trying to diminish them or saying "if only they'd cooperated." Floyd ultimately cooperated and his fear of being killed by a mean cop was realized. On camera. How can you excuse that?

Here's a good article about the tension between evangelical Christianity and Black Lives Matter. Calling is an "anti Christian organziation" is just simply wrong, to the point of bearing false witness. Which some hard-right evangelical churches are clearly willng to do: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/07/white-evangelicals-black-lives-matter/613738/'

Even the language of what constitutes "justice" is controversial among evangelicals. In 2018, a group of pastors led by John MacArthur, an influential white megachurch pastor in California, signed a statement decrying "social justice" and arguing against "postmodern ideologies derived from intersectionality, radical feminism, and critical race theory." It condemned "political or social activism" as not being "integral components of the gospel or primary to the mission of the church." This kind of sentiment is common among white evangelical leaders, several Black leaders who work in these spaces told me: White pastors aggressively enforce the boundaries of acceptable conversations on racism, weaponizing any position that bears even a whiff of progressive politics and slapping labels such as "social justice" and "cultural Marxism" on arguments about systemic injustice. Black leaders at predominately white organizations are careful to emphasize that caring about racism is a gospel issue.

"If it's just a social-justice thing or a cultural thing, it's easy to dismiss, because that bases the conversation in ideology," Arthur Satterwhite III, the vice president of multiethnic ministries at Young Life, a prominent youth-ministry organization, told me. Some white pastors seek out Black voices who echo their own political beliefs, Mwuara told me. "I literally had to go on social media and just say, 'Please do not send me any more Candace Owens videos,'" he said, referring to the right-wing commentator and former communications director for Turning Point USA. When pastors do this, according to Mwuara, they see it as "teaching us something that we have missed. The problem with that is that you are really discounting 90 percent of Black Americans' viewpoints."

No matter how much goodwill they may have, white evangelical leaders repeatedly say and do things that are wildly hurtful to people of color in their communities. In June, at the peak of the protests against Floyd's death, Louie Giglio, the Atlanta megachurch pastor, said in an onstage conversation with the popular hip-hop artist Lecrae and Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy that the term white privilege should be replaced with white blessing to "get over the phrase" that shuts down conversations on racism. Afterward, according to The Washington Post, Lecrae stepped into his unofficial racism-consultant role, telling Giglio how uncomfortable he was with the suggestion. (Giglio later apologized.) Last month, Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University, tweeted an image of a face mask decorated with one person in a Ku Klux Klan robe and another in blackface. Several dozen Black alumni of Liberty University, including pastors and other Christian leaders, sent a letter expressing their outrage at his "infantile behavior." (Falwell Jr. later apologized.) Jua Robinson, a pastor who founded a multiethnic church in Boston and was one of the Liberty letter's signatories, told me he has become accustomed to seeing white Christian leaders get flummoxed by issues of race:When Robinson was in his early 20s and working on the staff of Athletes in Action, a ministry of the organization formerly known as Campus Crusade for Christ, he asked a worship leader to try playing a gospel song. She got flustered, and "basically walked away from it," he told me. "The chords may be a little different, but if you know that I'm here, and others may appreciate it, why not at least give it a try?" Robinson is often the only Black person in the room at church-related events, he said, and he is regularly asked to speak to his colleagues about race. "Some of these people don't really have relationships with people of color," he told me. "I felt like God had given me a voice and a lane and a certain level of trust."

In recent weeks, as the country has confronted the deaths of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, and other victims of racist violence, white pastors have put out statements and hosted Sunday-morning conversations about the scourge of bigotry in our nation. Yet even these good-faith efforts often indulge "the empty sentimentality that people associate with racism," Pinckney said, and focus on individual relationships and behaviors: "We need to love each other, to treat each other well." This is no accident. "Evangelical theology tends to be very personal, highly relational, and therefore, engaging issues of systems and structures becomes incredibly difficult," says Greg Jao, the director of external relations at InterVarsity, an influential ministry organization that focuses on college campuses. Many white evangelicals may be on board with the idea of banishing racism from their heart, but may not be ready to confront the policy issues, such as racist policing, that enable the kind of violence that killed George Floyd. As of 2018, 71 percent of white evangelicals believed that incidents of police officers killing Black men are isolated and not part of a broader pattern, according to a survey from the Public Religion Research Institute. "A mainly intrapersonal, friendship-based reconciliation [is] virtually powerless to change the structural and systemic inequalities along racial lines in this country," Tisby told me.

For all the energy being devoted to addressing racism in the white evangelical world, the aftermath of George Floyd's death is not necessarily a turning point in how white evangelicals think about race, several Black leaders I spoke with argued. "About every four to five years, there's a larger national-level racial conversation, and many churches will make some gesture at that," Jao told me. "Then they don't speak on it again, don't notice the things that are happening locally or nationally, until the next major explosion." One test of the effects of this summer's protests is whether they will shift conversations about race and policing in conservative political circles. Nearly one-third of white people in the United States identify as evangelicals, and a strong majority of this group is Republican. White Christians are distinctively positioned to push politicians to take this issue seriously.

Ultimately, though, the Black leaders I spoke with do their work for the sake of the church, not for political gain. "It's not the responsibility of the ordinary Black person to educate white people. That, in itself, is oppressive," says Latasha Morrison, the founder and president of Be the Bridge, an organization that trains staff at predominantly conservative, white churches and organizations on how to have conversations about race.

In Charleston, Pinckney has spent the past month toggling between competing reactions to Floyd's death: the desire to shield his two young sons from violence, to lead his church with wisdom, to punch a wall. A few years ago, Pinckney and other local pastors formed a collective, 1Charleston, to encourage churches in the city to take on conversations about racism and the gospel. His city knows all too well the devastating effects of racist violence on the church. "I long for the day that I don't get these messages, and I don't have to talk about these things," Pinckney told me. But "the same God who called me to disciple also called me to speak out against injustice."

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Anyone ever consider that BLM is a dog whistle for every left wing extreme political movement there is? MLK avoided the co-opting, BLM is not. Critical race theory, Marxism, Communism, Transgenderism, ANTIFA, Black Supremacy, anarcho-communists, just to scratch the surface. All seen, heard, and given a platform in the movement.

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Antifi is a right-wing whipping boy for all sorts of stuff that, IMO, falls into the "George Soros" Qanon conspiracy theory pot. In my city, the guy caught vandalizing the city courthouse was a white supremacist with visible tattoos, which made him easily identifiable by police. And here's an article about "Umbrella man":https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/07/28/mystery-umbrella-man-vandal-from-minnesota-police-say-hes-a-white-supremacist-instigator/#4471b81648ee Rightwing pundits and media need to stop whipping everybody up about antifa and start focusing on who really is vandalizing businesses and public buildings, as that shouldn't be permitted.

As for Marxism and communism, I'm fine with those candidates running for office and am sure they might get O.1% of the vote. Just finished a course on the fall of communism. It fell for a reason; an elite looted the government and most everyone else had a poor quality of life, poor housing, limited access to consumer goods, and far too much government interference and control over their lives, including tapped phones and communications grids that just shut down so news of a disaster like Chernobyl didn't get out until the debris blew over Scandinavia. Lots of people watched Chernobyl. They see now how Putin treats Russians and the kind of government he runs--and they also see that Trump admires this ruthless jerk. I am more concerned, given the dispatches of storm troopers to various cities, with an undemocratic strong-man government than I am about some sort of Marxist uprising.

Black Supremacy??? Really? Wanting a criminal justice system that doesn't treat people differently because of race isn't supremacy, it's democracy. Equal treatment under the law.

Anarchists are scary. I'd put guys like the Bundy family into that category.

People, including the president and his staff and family, should be subject to the rule of law. The rule of law should be fair and offer equal justice to all comers. Since we're human, that system is never going to be perfect. But it's got to get a lot better than people being hustled into cars with no Miranda warning and then subjected to a fishing expedition so the cop can find something to charge them with ("I want a lawyer" is a good antidote, but might not stop you from being beat up or suffocated) or arrested and asphyxiated on camera, during a pandemic, with your head crammed against asphalt pavement. That's an awful way to die. Imagine if that had happened to one of your family members. Or, better yet, imagine if people of your ethnithicity were 13% of the total population and incidents like that were a little too frequent. Would you make some noise? Should you? Perhaps the undesirable elements you list above that may be trying to ride the coattails of George Floyd's death to gain a listening platform would evaporate if guys like you actually acknowledged that it is a damned terrible thing and a stunning indictment of the U.S. justice system that a cop can kill a man in a slow and humilating manner on camera and not be indicted for murder for days.

Finally, I'm with J.K. Rowling. I think transgenderism is a disorder, either mental or physical--and I suspect physical, because there are some other odd disorders that cause people to want to mutilate their bodies or to feel like a part of their body doesn't belong. A disorder that encourages self-mutiliation and self-hatred is truly frightening and very serious, and deserves to be studied, and the politics of this being on the spectrum of normal variation may make that hard to do. That's just my personal opinion based on a sense that wanting to cut parts of your body off or bombard yourself with hormones to change the nature of your body does not sound normal. But what people who are transgendered do with their own bodies falls into a category that, in a free democracy, I consider None of My Business. I wish more people would adopt that attitude. Women's rooms have booths with locks on the doors. That's a good thing.

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Black Supremacy??? Really? Wanting a criminal justice system that doesn't treat people differently because of race isn't supremacy, it's democracy. Equal treatment under the law.

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No, equal treatment is something different. There's actually a Black Supremacy movement that somehow BLM has wrapped some of their dogma into their mission material. Probably influenced by New Black Panther Party folks involved in the movement. They've been at a number of the protests.

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Black Supremacy??? Really? Wanting a criminal justice system that doesn't treat people differently because of race isn't supremacy, it's democracy. Equal treatment under the law.

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No, equal treatment is something different. There's actually a Black Supremacy movement that somehow BLM has wrapped some of their dogma into their mission material. Probably influenced by New Black Panther Party folks involved in the movement. They've been at a number of the protests.

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I'm for equal justice for all.

White Supremacy, from slave states to 3/5 a person to voter supression to criminal justice inequities have come at a very high societal cost. We can do better without having anyone be "supreme."

My guess is that "black supremacy" is less prevalent than white supremacy as a political fringe movement. When we have black supremacist marching in the streets unchecked by the president or anyone else chanting "Jews will not replace us" or "whites will not replace us," I'll view this as a worrisome trend. Similarly, when an African American man attends a bible study at a white church and shoots the group members because of their race, I'll worry even more. Can you imagine the outcry, especially on this site, if THAT happened?

Seeing young white men behave like the ones in Charlottesville and Charleston was certainly worrisome. I'd like to see a lot more outrage on the part of white people about that awful behavior than about idiots mouthing off about "black supremacy." This really is a "get the log out of your own eye, brother": moment, and it's obvious that the conservative white men on this forum don't want to remove that log.

All lives matter .

That IS the Christian position.

Which is why Christians oppose the murder of babies .

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All lives matter .

That IS the Christian position.

Which is why Christians oppose the murder of babies .

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At best, that is possibly A Christian response. It certainly is not THE Christian response.

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Baylor desperately needs to offer a class in Marxism.

Even if the only reason is so all of you folks will understand that BLM--a protest movement born out of disproportionate police violence toward minorities in this country and inequities in the criminal justice system, is not marxism.

Which right-wing news site/source is promoting the idea that BLM protesters or the BLM movement = marxism?

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The co-founder of BLM described herself as a "trained Marxist."

Is she a right-wing source? Was she lying about her own beliefs?

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/

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If you don't believe she's right about anything else, why would you believe there was such a thing as a "trained Marxist"? That's actually funny, and not in a good way. "Trained marksman"? Yes. "Trained Marxist"? No such thing.

This debunks the "trained Marxist" claim and the claim that a leader claimed to be a "trained Marxist": https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/

BLM is like any other group, including churches: Some members know what they're talking about and understand the mission. Many more really don't and are there for other reasons.

Finally, the woman who labeled BLM as a Marxist movement thinks everyone to the left of her--which is 99.9% of americans--is a Marxist.

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Did you actually read your link? If you had, you would have seen it doesn't "debunk" anything. In fact, it confirms what many have been saying - one of the co-founders who, according to politifact, is still prominently displayed on BLM's website, and claims that she and at least one other co-founder are "trained Marxist." That should be concerning for anyone with a hint of intellectual honesty.

So, far from debunking what others have said, this article confirms everything.

This is a perfect example of why you lack credibility and respect on this website.

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Actually, this is a perfect example of why you prove your extreme bias and failure to read except selectively with every post. Here's what the summary at the top of this post states:

IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT

• Black Lives Matter was founded by community organizers. One of the three co-founders said in 2015 that she and another co-founder "are trained Marxists."
• Black Lives Matters has grown into a national anti-racism movement broadly supported by Americans, few of whom would identify themselves as Marxist.

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So, one of the founders did state, 5 years ago, that she and another cofounder are "trained Marxists." That, IMO, was an ignorant statement on her part that doesn't reflect well on her. What the hell is a "trained Marxist"?

However, this is 5 years in the future, and BLM is not a "Marxist" movement. It's a protest movement.

Against an inequitable criminal justice system through which black people are arrested and incarcerated in higher numbers, and which has resulted in a disproportionate number of deaths of black people in police custody.

Lots of those deaths have involved shootings, too many of which were in the back or of children. George Floyd and Eric Garner were both asphyxiated. On video, It took 9 long minutes for Floyd to die, and he told the police what was happening. They didn't listen.,

What you and other conservatives want to do is distract attention from what happened to George Floyd and what happened to too many other people of color in police custody, and discredit a righteous protest as a marxist movement because one of the leaders once claimed to be a "trained Marxist."

BLM makes you uncomfortable just like the Civil Rights Movement made white people uncomfortable in the 1950s and 1960s.

But you can't find it in your squeezing, grasping, greedy, covetous, hard and downright mean heart or your biased brain to acknowledge people have a right to be angry about a man being asphyxiated by police--effectively publicly executed--for a crime that might have involved a few months in jail. Or a man being shot in the back for having a burned out taillight and not wanting to be stopped by police. Or a kid being shot by police in a park, in such a cold-blooded manner the cop appeared to be putting an injured animal out of its misery without checking to see if it might be helped first.

You are one of the most closed, partisan and meanest posters on this board. It's all about winning the argument, and you're always right, according to you. And always Rightytightwhitey.

I'm actually grateful for guys like you, because you will inevitably push moderates out of the Republican party because of your consistent defense of systemic racism and specious accusations of Marxism against anybody who thinks the government should play a role in anything---like protecting citizens from out-of-control police who think they can murder men and women on the job and get away with it because, since the victim was black and poor, his life didn't matter. THAT is the message of Black Lives Matter. It's totally justified, but you just don't want to hear it. So you've stopped up your ears and are blatting about Marxism.

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You're hysterical. Calm yourself, and try to think logically for a moment.

First, go back and read your initial post regarding Marxism. You issued a blanket insult to anyone who suggested BLM has Marxist elements, claiming you wished Baylor could teach a course on Marxism - the implication that us dumb conservatives don't know what Marxism is.

So you could have some context, I then posted a link to an article which contained quotes from an interview of one of the founders of the organization (who remains one of the leaders of BLM), who claimed she was a "trained Marxist." I made no other comment regarding BLM, and never suggested the entire organization was full of Marxists.

You then posted a link to an article on the left-wing fact checker, politifact, that you claimed "debunks the "trained Marxist" claim and the claim that a leader claimed to be a "trained Marxist," when - in fact - the link you posted actually states that one of the prominent leaders of the organization claims to be a trained Marxist. The politifact article even quoted a Stanford professor that commented that this should be a concern to anyone supporting BLM. So, your representation to this board that the polifact article "debunks" the trained Marxist claim was a bald-faced lie.

When I called you out on your proven lie, you got upset and went off on an ad hominem diatribe that attributed things to me that I never said. Ever.

For the record, I never said all aspects of BLM are bad, nor did I suggest every supporter was a Marxist. But it certainly has well-documented Marxist elements, as the politifact article you posted makes clear. That is indisptuable. I think one can support many of the things it stands for without supporting BLM and its stated goals as an organization.

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All lives matter .

That IS the Christian position.

Which is why Christians oppose the murder of babies .

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At best, that is possibly A Christian response. It certainly is not THE Christian response.

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Jesus taught the sanctity of ALL life.

Not just the ones out of the womb with darker skin pigment .

So, much for BLM not being Christian:

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So, much for BLM not being Christian:

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A black church posts BLM on the side of its building now means BLM is Christian?

Chuckle.

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So, much for BLM not being Christian:

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A black church posts BLM on the side of its building now means BLM is Christian?

Chuckle.

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No. It means that Christians are supporters of BLM.
We have the same declaration on my church's marquee.

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It is precisely your framing of the BLM issue that leads me to suspect that what is at work here is pure ideology. Throughout this thread, you have voiced a set of claims expressed not for reasons having to do with truth, but rather for pragmatic reasons, namely, to obscure what matters. Here's why I'm suspicious of your claims:

If you are concerned that BLM is not sufficiently concerned with justice, one might expect that Christians would be engaged in BLM-type efforts plus. In other words, one would expect that religious critics would put so-called "Social Justice Warriors" to shame by the intensity of their justice pursuit. I can only speak anecdotally, but nothing like this appears to be the case in the majority of churches I've observed and in the people who attend them.
Second, and relatedly, if objectors such as yourself are concerned that BLM is not sufficiently concerned with justice, one might expect you to develop even more specific and thorough proposals from the more adequate perspective you purport to occupy. Instead, I find ready desperate and often shabby critiques with little effort to explain exactly the difference that the Gospel or Jesus or the church would make to the quest for social justice.

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You don't seem to be following my argument. I am not saying BLM is not sufficiently concerned with justice (I state no position on that issue, as I suspect we define "justice" quite differently), I am saying it has objectives antithetical to Christianity and Christ's teaching in particular that make it impossible for the evangelical church (if we are to define it as some monolithic group, which it's not) to come out in support of it. We've discussed them on this thread, and you have already acknowledged them. What you have NOT done is gone a step further and make a logical argument for why the evangelical church should support such an organization with such antithetical views to Christianity.

Moreover, I think you misunderstand our calling as Christians. Christians are not to be Social Justice Warriors. To the contrary, we are called to be fully-devoted followers of Christ, and to tell others about him. Now, does that often times coincide with taking moral stances on issues of justice? Of course. But our objective is not heaven on earth. Our home is in a very different place.

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Martin Luther King, Jr., made a similar argument to yours in his sermon, "How Should a Christian View Communism?" While King states upfront that Christianity and communism are incompatible insofar as communism is based on a materialistic, humanistic, relativistic, nationalistic and atheistic view of life King's treatment of communism offers a fitting analogy for how the church today may be a faithful ally of a secular movement for social change. The example of communism serves to show that justice movements such as BLM present even fewer philosophical obstacles for the church's engagement.

While it may be true that I would not want to give sweeping, uncritical support to BLM, it is true in this moment that BLM offers a prophetic voice that calls the church to a renewed sense of vocation and mission. More important than the question of where, exactly, BLM goes wrong from the Christian perspective, is the need to uncover how BLM exposes the failure of the church to perform the Gospel, and what kind of allies should Christians be to BLM.

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That is fine, and hopefully the church can make the changes it needs to make, if necessary. But that still does not support the line of reasoning that the Christian Church should support a man-made organization who holds ideas antithetical to Christianity.

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Political parties are man made organizations that PRACTICE ideas that are antithetical to Christianity.

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Black Supremacy??? Really? Wanting a criminal justice system that doesn't treat people differently because of race isn't supremacy, it's democracy. Equal treatment under the law.

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No, equal treatment is something different. There's actually a Black Supremacy movement that somehow BLM has wrapped some of their dogma into their mission material. Probably influenced by New Black Panther Party folks involved in the movement. They've been at a number of the protests.

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I'm for equal justice for all.

White Supremacy, from slave states to 3/5 a person to voter supression to criminal justice inequities have come at a very high societal cost. We can do better without having anyone be "supreme."

My guess is that "black supremacy" is less prevalent than white supremacy as a political fringe movement. When we have black supremacist marching in the streets unchecked by the president or anyone else chanting "Jews will not replace us" or "whites will not replace us," I'll view this as a worrisome trend. Similarly, when an African American man attends a bible study at a white church and shoots the group members because of their race, I'll worry even more. Can you imagine the outcry, especially on this site, if THAT happened?

Seeing young white men behave like the ones in Charlottesville and Charleston was certainly worrisome. I'd like to see a lot more outrage on the part of white people about that awful behavior than about idiots mouthing off about "black supremacy." This really is a "get the log out of your own eye, brother": moment, and it's obvious that the conservative white men on this forum don't want to remove that log.

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Back to the topic, BLM has attracted a multitude of extreme left wing causes and not just as fringe elements but a hodge podge coalition that makes up a significant part of it. You and others lambast Trump for some of these groups you mention, but if they were as open and prevalent as many are in BLM the meltdown would be extreme.

We don't need BLM to address the issues of relevance.

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They exist for the purpose of advancing extreme left wing causes, they attract those that agree with their causes. I wish the core direction of the organization, matched the name of the organization. There is a reason they attract a bunch of white losers who go out and yell at black people who aren't down with their program.

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What?

Disgusting comment. All you have to do, is agree that black people matter, and you won't. You want to pretend that all black people that value their lives are Marxists, and how could you support that????

Closet racism, made not so closet upon basic investigation.

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I agree you. Black people matter.

I also agree with others that BLM is an organization that doesn't give two s-h-i-t-s about black lives. It's an organization purposely named to invoke an idea/a feeling of one thing while they pursue the goal of another.

The everything is racist dog whistling is getting old and frankly, has lost much of it's value.

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It's not a dog whistle, just read the comment I replied to. Also, BLM is not really an organization, it's a movement with no central leaders. I've heard plenty of people who claim to be official, which is hilarious, but no. If you think people who are in the BLM movement don't give 2 ****s about black lives, you're entirely disconnected from reality, please reconnect later, and maybe step outside your house.

Whatever garbage brainwashing propaganda you're getting your fake news from doesn't count as knowing about the world around you.

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Disgusting comment. All you have to do, is agree that black people matter, and you won't. You want to pretend that all black people that value their lives are Marxists, and how could you support that????

Closet racism, made not so closet upon basic investigation.

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I agree you. Black people matter.

I also agree with others that BLM is an organization that doesn't give two s-h-i-t-s about black lives. It's an organization purposely named to invoke an idea/a feeling of one thing while they pursue the goal of another.

The everything is racist dog whistling is getting old and frankly, has lost much of it's value.

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It's not a dog whistle, just read the comment I replied to. Also, BLM is not really an organization, it's a movement with no central leaders. I've heard plenty of people who claim to be official, which is hilarious, but no. If you think people who are in the BLM movement don't give 2 ****s about black lives, you're entirely disconnected from reality, please reconnect later, and maybe step outside your house.

Whatever garbage brainwashing propaganda you're getting your fake news from doesn't count as knowing about the world around you.

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Look around son, If the BLM "movement" truly cared about black lives, they'd be out there condemning the crime and killings in predominately black areas... black killing blacks..... but nope, crickets. Not lifting one finger.

You really need to stop getting your news from Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher.

You weak minded libbies are so easily to fool... and BLM owns you

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Disgusting comment. All you have to do, is agree that black people matter, and you won't. You want to pretend that all black people that value their lives are Marxists, and how could you support that????

Closet racism, made not so closet upon basic investigation.

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I agree you. Black people matter.

I also agree with others that BLM is an organization that doesn't give two s-h-i-t-s about black lives. It's an organization purposely named to invoke an idea/a feeling of one thing while they pursue the goal of another.

The everything is racist dog whistling is getting old and frankly, has lost much of it's value.

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It's not a dog whistle, just read the comment I replied to. Also, BLM is not really an organization, it's a movement with no central leaders. I've heard plenty of people who claim to be official, which is hilarious, but no. If you think people who are in the BLM movement don't give 2 ****s about black lives, you're entirely disconnected from reality, please reconnect later, and maybe step outside your house.

Whatever garbage brainwashing propaganda you're getting your fake news from doesn't count as knowing about the world around you.

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Look around son, If the BLM "movement" truly cared about black lives, they'd be out there condemning the crime and killings in predominately black areas... black killing blacks..... but nope, crickets. Not lifting one finger.

You really need to stop getting your news from Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher.

You weak minded libbies are so easily to fool... and BLM owns you

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Hey granny, you're totally ignorant. If you think there aren't a bunch of other black grannies out there trying to whip young gangsters into shape you need to step outside the basement. Is it your great grannie's basement you've quarantined in?

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It is right and just to do so. BLM is rightly sceptical of a church that does not clearly see and say that black lives matter. And in this respect, BLM prophesies against the church, for the church, which is for the world.

The church must recover its revolutionary witness that God in Christ has come to overthrow every earthly kingdom. Christians should never be surprised to find that the world and church are in need of repentance and reform. God's restorative action is needed every day in every way. The church should accordingly welcome the witness of BLM and other social movements that put a spotlight on truths the church has forgotten, neglected and, in some cases, outright denied.

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The Christian church should certainly stand for justice and in opposition to racism of all kinds. There are significant aspects of BLM's agenda which make it impossible for the Christian church to support that particular movement.

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The problem is you don't see that BLM is a much broader movement than the leaders identified with allegedly Marxist philosophy.

BLM as a concept, as a movement, is much broader than that group, just as the Civil Rights Movement was much broader than the Marxists who were involved in it.

Your criticism of BLM is PRECISELY the same criticism thrown at the Civil Rights Movement. You're adopting the arguments racists used against Dr. King and others.

As a broad movement, the idea of BLM is something Christ followers should definitely support.

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i stopped reading at allegedly... when you have a confession on video, it isnt allegedly!

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Disgusting comment. All you have to do, is agree that black people matter, and you won't. You want to pretend that all black people that value their lives are Marxists, and how could you support that????

Closet racism, made not so closet upon basic investigation.

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I agree you. Black people matter.

I also agree with others that BLM is an organization that doesn't give two s-h-i-t-s about black lives. It's an organization purposely named to invoke an idea/a feeling of one thing while they pursue the goal of another.

The everything is racist dog whistling is getting old and frankly, has lost much of it's value.

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It's not a dog whistle, just read the comment I replied to. Also, BLM is not really an organization, it's a movement with no central leaders. I've heard plenty of people who claim to be official, which is hilarious, but no. If you think people who are in the BLM movement don't give 2 ****s about black lives, you're entirely disconnected from reality, please reconnect later, and maybe step outside your house.

Whatever garbage brainwashing propaganda you're getting your fake news from doesn't count as knowing about the world around you.

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not really an organization? Where do all the donations go? I pretty sure its an organization with leaders accepting donations...

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All lives matter .

That IS the Christian position.

Which is why Christians oppose the murder of babies .

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At best, that is possibly A Christian response. It certainly is not THE Christian response.

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Jesus taught the sanctity of ALL life.

Not just the ones out of the womb with darker skin pigment .

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"All lives matter" sure turned into "just a few teachers will die" really fast with you guys, please advise.

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Porteroso said:

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FWBear said:

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Christianity and Marxism don't mix well.

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What?

Disgusting comment. All you have to do, is agree that black people matter, and you won't. You want to pretend that all black people that value their lives are Marxists, and how could you support that????

Closet racism, made not so closet upon basic investigation.

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I agree you. Black people matter.

I also agree with others that BLM is an organization that doesn't give two s-h-i-t-s about black lives. It's an organization purposely named to invoke an idea/a feeling of one thing while they pursue the goal of another.

The everything is racist dog whistling is getting old and frankly, has lost much of it's value.

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It's not a dog whistle, just read the comment I replied to. Also, BLM is not really an organization, it's a movement with no central leaders. I've heard plenty of people who claim to be official, which is hilarious, but no. If you think people who are in the BLM movement don't give 2 ****s about black lives, you're entirely disconnected from reality, please reconnect later, and maybe step outside your house.

Whatever garbage brainwashing propaganda you're getting your fake news from doesn't count as knowing about the world around you.

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Look around son, If the BLM "movement" truly cared about black lives, they'd be out there condemning the crime and killings in predominately black areas... black killing blacks..... but nope, crickets. Not lifting one finger.

You really need to stop getting your news from Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher.

You weak minded libbies are so easily to fool... and BLM owns you

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Hey granny, you're totally ignorant. If you think there aren't a bunch of other black grannies out there trying to whip young gangsters into shape you need to step outside the basement. Is it your great grannie's basement you've quarantined in?

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how old are you? Scratch that, does your mom know that you're playing on her computer again?

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Canada2017 said:

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cinque said:

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Canada2017 said:

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All lives matter .

That IS the Christian position.

Which is why Christians oppose the murder of babies .

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At best, that is possibly A Christian response. It certainly is not THE Christian response.

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Jesus taught the sanctity of ALL life.

Not just the ones out of the womb with darker skin pigment .

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"All lives matter" sure turned into "just a few teachers will die" really fast with you guys, please advise.

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Would advise you to study the message of Jesus Christ and drop the pseudo arrogance .

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Username checks out said:

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Canada2017 said:

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cinque said:

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Canada2017 said:

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All lives matter .

That IS the Christian position.

Which is why Christians oppose the murder of babies .

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At best, that is possibly A Christian response. It certainly is not THE Christian response.

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Jesus taught the sanctity of ALL life.

Not just the ones out of the womb with darker skin pigment .

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"All lives matter" sure turned into "just a few teachers will die" really fast with you guys, please advise.

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Would advise you to study the message of Jesus Christ and drop the pseudo arrogance .

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Got it, the message of jesus that devotedly cares for a child all the way till it exits the womb and then tells it to **** off when it is in need of healthcare, education, and equal opportunity.

Username checks out said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Username checks out said:

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Canada2017 said:

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cinque said:

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Canada2017 said:

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All lives matter .

That IS the Christian position.

Which is why Christians oppose the murder of babies .

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At best, that is possibly A Christian response. It certainly is not THE Christian response.

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Jesus taught the sanctity of ALL life.

Not just the ones out of the womb with darker skin pigment .

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"All lives matter" sure turned into "just a few teachers will die" really fast with you guys, please advise.

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Would advise you to study the message of Jesus Christ and drop the pseudo arrogance .

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Got it, the message of jesus that devotedly cares for a child all the way till it exits the womb and then tells it to **** off when it is in need of healthcare, education, and equal opportunity.

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You simply can't drop the unmerited arrogance . Till you do, you will remain a frustrated mediocrity .

Try again .

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Mothra said:

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cinque said:

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So, much for BLM not being Christian:

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A black church posts BLM on the side of its building now means BLM is Christian?

Chuckle.

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No. It means that Christians are supporters of BLM.
We have the same declaration on my church's marquee.

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How does your church or another church supporting BLM make it Christian, as you stated?

Porteroso said:

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HashTag said:

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Porteroso said:

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HashTag said:

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Porteroso said:

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FWBear said:

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Christianity and Marxism don't mix well.

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What?

Disgusting comment. All you have to do, is agree that black people matter, and you won't. You want to pretend that all black people that value their lives are Marxists, and how could you support that????

Closet racism, made not so closet upon basic investigation.

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I agree you. Black people matter.

I also agree with others that BLM is an organization that doesn't give two s-h-i-t-s about black lives. It's an organization purposely named to invoke an idea/a feeling of one thing while they pursue the goal of another.

The everything is racist dog whistling is getting old and frankly, has lost much of it's value.

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It's not a dog whistle, just read the comment I replied to. Also, BLM is not really an organization, it's a movement with no central leaders. I've heard plenty of people who claim to be official, which is hilarious, but no. If you think people who are in the BLM movement don't give 2 ****s about black lives, you're entirely disconnected from reality, please reconnect later, and maybe step outside your house.

Whatever garbage brainwashing propaganda you're getting your fake news from doesn't count as knowing about the world around you.

---

Look around son, If the BLM "movement" truly cared about black lives, they'd be out there condemning the crime and killings in predominately black areas... black killing blacks..... but nope, crickets. Not lifting one finger.

You really need to stop getting your news from Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher.

You weak minded libbies are so easily to fool... and BLM owns you

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Hey granny, you're totally ignorant. If you think there aren't a bunch of other black grannies out there trying to whip young gangsters into shape you need to step outside the basement. Is it your great grannie's basement you've quarantined in?

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Unfortunately, statistics show that whatever they are doing isn't working.

Canada2017 said:

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Username checks out said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Username checks out said:

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Canada2017 said:

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cinque said:

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Canada2017 said:

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All lives matter .

That IS the Christian position.

Which is why Christians oppose the murder of babies .

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At best, that is possibly A Christian response. It certainly is not THE Christian response.

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Jesus taught the sanctity of ALL life.

Not just the ones out of the womb with darker skin pigment .

---

"All lives matter" sure turned into "just a few teachers will die" really fast with you guys, please advise.

---

Would advise you to study the message of Jesus Christ and drop the pseudo arrogance .

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Got it, the message of jesus that devotedly cares for a child all the way till it exits the womb and then tells it to **** off when it is in need of healthcare, education, and equal opportunity.

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You simply can't drop the unmerited arrogance . Till you do, you will remain a frustrated mediocrity .

Try again .

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So we've established that the universe of lives that matter to you does not include teachers in schools or disadvantaged children outside the womb, any other caveats to be aware of while you continue this charade against BLM?

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Mothra said:

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cinque said:

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So, much for BLM not being Christian:

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A black church posts BLM on the side of its building now means BLM is Christian?

Chuckle.

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No. It means that Christians are supporters of BLM.
We have the same declaration on my church's marquee.

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If I disagree, I am not a Christian?

Bigot much?

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cinque said:

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Mothra said:

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cinque said:

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So, much for BLM not being Christian:

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A black church posts BLM on the side of its building now means BLM is Christian?

Chuckle.

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No. It means that Christians are supporters of BLM.
We have the same declaration on my church's marquee.

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How does your church or another church supporting BLM make it Christian, as you stated?

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By supporting the social and political of Jesus as outlined in Luke 4.