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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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My parents live in Lubbock and they are in their 70s and there is a most serious per capita break out there.(not TT students) 7 of their friends have it and 2 more have died within the last 2 weeks. They hauled ass to Colorado indefinitely.

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An outbreak of a virus is to be expected. My wife's uncle lives in Ft Worth...he's 89...got Covid, got over it with minimal symptoms and no lasting effects (according to his Dr)

People die from a virus and it is unfortunate. My grandmother died of the flu about 16 years ago at 97. She even got the flu shot. I didn't blame anyone. People get sick. Both my parents died of cancer. Should I be mad at Presidents who have allowed so many carcinogens into our food and life around us?

Sorry until there is a vaccine, people are going to catch this and some will die from it.

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

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There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

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It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

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If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

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And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

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visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

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There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

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It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

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If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

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Would the people who take the risk to go to the bar have no responsibility in this scenario? If they are afraid/susceptible, they probably shouldn't be in a bar. If they aren't afraid and they get it and die, that's their own risk, and therefore their own responsibility, no?

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By such a rationale the family driving home from Church, hit head on by a drunk driver and killed .

Bare responsibility for driving on the roads .

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Not really. Roads are unavoidable, bars are very avoidable.

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Premise is the same.

You are attempting the absolve the perpetrator and assign blame to the victim .

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My point is the "victim" should know the risks and make good choices. If I don't want to be mugged, I'm not walking up and down dark alleys in the projects.

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Then you are yielding your rights to the perpetrator.

You have a right to be on any sidewalk or any road for that matter .

It is the obligation of the other party to act responsibly ... be it drinking , violence or going to public places and knowingly transmitting a deadly disease to others .

Which is why drunk driving and assault are crimes .

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This idealistic mentality is part of the problem. In a perfect world, no one gets mugged in alleys. No one gets raped when they go back to a boy's apartment at 3 in the morning. No one leaves their car doors unlocked at night. But this isn't a perfect world. Muggers are gonna mug, rapists are gonna rape, and thieves are going to check car door handles. Oh, and viruses are gonna virus.

Something being a crime is not a deterrent for criminals, and it's sure as hell not a crime to live your life. So like I said a few posts ago. If people are afraid, take precautions. let them hole up and distance and only come out for groceries and health care (where masks are pretty well enforced), and let the rest of us have, you know, free will.

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

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It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

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Would the people who take the risk to go to the bar have no responsibility in this scenario? If they are afraid/susceptible, they probably shouldn't be in a bar. If they aren't afraid and they get it and die, that's their own risk, and therefore their own responsibility, no?

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By such a rationale the family driving home from Church, hit head on by a drunk driver and killed .

Bare responsibility for driving on the roads .

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Not really. Roads are unavoidable, bars are very avoidable.

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Premise is the same.

You are attempting the absolve the perpetrator and assign blame to the victim .

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My point is the "victim" should know the risks and make good choices. If I don't want to be mugged, I'm not walking up and down dark alleys in the projects.

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Then you are yielding your rights to the perpetrator.

You have a right to be on any sidewalk or any road for that matter .

It is the obligation of the other party to act responsibly ... be it drinking , violence or going to public places and knowingly transmitting a deadly disease to others .

Which is why drunk driving and assault are crimes .

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This idealistic mentality is part of the problem. In a perfect world, no one gets mugged in alleys. No one gets raped when they go back to a boy's apartment at 3 in the morning. No one leaves their car doors unlocked at night. But this isn't a perfect world. Muggers are gonna mug, rapists are gonna rape, and thieves are going to check car door handles. Oh, and viruses are gonna virus.

Something being a crime is not a deterrent for criminals, and it's sure as hell not a crime to live your life. So like I said a few posts ago. If people are afraid, let them hole up and distance and only come out for groceries and health care (where masks are pretty well enforced), and let the rest of us have, you know, free will.

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If my body, my choice works for abortion...why doesn't it work for masks?

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

Would the people who take the risk to go to the bar have no responsibility in this scenario? If they are afraid/susceptible, they probably shouldn't be in a bar. If they aren't afraid and they get it and die, that's their own risk, and therefore their own responsibility, no?

---

By such a rationale the family driving home from Church, hit head on by a drunk driver and killed .

Bare responsibility for driving on the roads .

---

Not really. Roads are unavoidable, bars are very avoidable.

---

Premise is the same.

You are attempting the absolve the perpetrator and assign blame to the victim .

---

My point is the "victim" should know the risks and make good choices. If I don't want to be mugged, I'm not walking up and down dark alleys in the projects.

---

Then you are yielding your rights to the perpetrator.

You have a right to be on any sidewalk or any road for that matter .

It is the obligation of the other party to act responsibly ... be it drinking , violence or going to public places and knowingly transmitting a deadly disease to others .

Which is why drunk driving and assault are crimes .

---

This idealistic mentality is part of the problem. In a perfect world, no one gets mugged in alleys. No one gets raped when they go back to a boy's apartment at 3 in the morning. No one leaves their car doors unlocked at night. But this isn't a perfect world. Muggers are gonna mug, rapists are gonna rape, and thieves are going to check car door handles. Oh, and viruses are gonna virus.

Something being a crime is not a deterrent for criminals, and it's sure as hell not a crime to live your life. So like I said a few posts ago. If people are afraid, take precautions. let them hole up and distance and only come out for groceries and health care (where masks are pretty well enforced), and let the rest of us have, you know, free will.

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Ridiculous argument .

Does 'free will' entitle you to be drunk behind the wheel of a car ? Is it the other person's obligation to assume you're impaired and a freaking danger to everyone else ? Don't try to sell this rationale to the state trooper who pulls you over. A major reality check will be coming your way.

Jail time definitely deters future destructive actions for most . Spend a few weeks in county lockup or even a few weekenders.....suspect your attitude toward deterrents will change .


If people are old enough to order dinner and go to bars......they should be enough of an adult to be aware of their health status and be considerate of the LIVES of others . Anything less is merely low class, me first, bull *****

Seems like a good idea like making sure you are not vitamin D deficient

Mouthwash kills coronavirus within 30 seconds in laboratory tests, study finds

Mothwash can kill coronavirus within 30 seconds of being exposed to it in a laboratory, a scientific study has found.

The preliminary result comes ahead of a clinical trial into whether using over-the-counter mouthwash could to reduce the levels of Covid-19 in a patient's saliva.

The Cardiff University report said that mouthwashes containing at least 0.07 per cent cetypyridinium chloride (CPC) showed "promising signs" of combatting the virus.

The report - called The Virucidal Efficacy of Oral Rinse Components Against SARS-CoV-2 In Vitro - is yet to be peer reviewed.

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

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What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

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And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

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visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

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One of my best friends is still going to bars. He is in his early 50's, overweight and has high blood pressure.

His choice.

He's not allowed to come over anymore.

My choice .

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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JCWortsman said:

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Canada2017 said:

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JCWortsman said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

Would the people who take the risk to go to the bar have no responsibility in this scenario? If they are afraid/susceptible, they probably shouldn't be in a bar. If they aren't afraid and they get it and die, that's their own risk, and therefore their own responsibility, no?

---

By such a rationale the family driving home from Church, hit head on by a drunk driver and killed .

Bare responsibility for driving on the roads .

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Not really. Roads are unavoidable, bars are very avoidable.

---

Premise is the same.

You are attempting the absolve the perpetrator and assign blame to the victim .

---

My point is the "victim" should know the risks and make good choices. If I don't want to be mugged, I'm not walking up and down dark alleys in the projects.

---

Then you are yielding your rights to the perpetrator.

You have a right to be on any sidewalk or any road for that matter .

It is the obligation of the other party to act responsibly ... be it drinking , violence or going to public places and knowingly transmitting a deadly disease to others .

Which is why drunk driving and assault are crimes .

---

This idealistic mentality is part of the problem. In a perfect world, no one gets mugged in alleys. No one gets raped when they go back to a boy's apartment at 3 in the morning. No one leaves their car doors unlocked at night. But this isn't a perfect world. Muggers are gonna mug, rapists are gonna rape, and thieves are going to check car door handles. Oh, and viruses are gonna virus.

Something being a crime is not a deterrent for criminals, and it's sure as hell not a crime to live your life. So like I said a few posts ago. If people are afraid, take precautions. let them hole up and distance and only come out for groceries and health care (where masks are pretty well enforced), and let the rest of us have, you know, free will.

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Ridiculous argument .

Do you have 'free will; to be drunk behind the wheel of a car ? Is it the other person's obligation to assume you're impaired and a freaking danger to everyone else ? Don't try to sell this rationale to the state trooper who pulls you over. A major reality check will be coming your way.

If people are old enough to order dinner and go to bars......they should be enough of an adult to be aware of their health status and be considerate of the LIVES of others . Anything less is merely low class, me first, bull *****

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Ok, so let's try this: You think that everyone needs to shelter in place and only go out for emergencies or to get groceries, etc, right?

So if the people who are concerned shelter in place and only go out for what they need while the rest of society does what they want to do, then wouldn't the only people who get COVID be the ones who made the decision to NOT shelter in place?

If so, then it's a choice. And very much a choice that can be made without daddy government saying it's ok.

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

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It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

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And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

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visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

---

One of my best friends is still going to bars. He is in his early 50's, overweight and has high blood pressure.

His choice.

He's not allowed to come over anymore.

My choice .

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yup.... I know them too! I live next to the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas. I walk the trail daily and you wouldn't believe how packed and what a **** show that is!

J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

---

visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

---

One of my best friends is still going to bars. He is in his early 50's, overweight and has high blood pressure.

His choice.

He's not allowed to come over anymore.

My choice .

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yup.... I know them too! I live next to the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas. I walk the trail daily and you wouldn't believe how packed and what a **** show that is!

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Grrrr! I hate it when people won't just dig a hole and go into a depression in their homes. Why don't they just let the government tell them what to do? We can trust our elected officials. Only 15 days to flatten the curve. We are now on about day 270 of that.

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

---

visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

---

One of my best friends is still going to bars. He is in his early 50's, overweight and has high blood pressure.

His choice.

He's not allowed to come over anymore.

My choice .

---

yup.... I know them too! I live next to the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas. I walk the trail daily and you wouldn't believe how packed and what a **** show that is!

---

Are the majority under the age of 40 ? Well sure they probably are at low risk.

But the older co worker or family member they unintentionally infect later........dies .

Freedom baby !

Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

---

visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

---

One of my best friends is still going to bars. He is in his early 50's, overweight and has high blood pressure.

His choice.

He's not allowed to come over anymore.

My choice .

---

yup.... I know them too! I live next to the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas. I walk the trail daily and you wouldn't believe how packed and what a **** show that is!

---

Are the majority under the age of 40 ? Well sure they probably are at low risk.

But the older co worker or family member they unintentionally infect later........dies .

Freedom baby !

---

Absolutely. We will go there on off hours and sit out side. But, Friday, Sat, Sun....No thanks.

J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

---

visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

---

One of my best friends is still going to bars. He is in his early 50's, overweight and has high blood pressure.

His choice.

He's not allowed to come over anymore.

My choice .

---

yup.... I know them too! I live next to the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas. I walk the trail daily and you wouldn't believe how packed and what a **** show that is!

---

Are the majority under the age of 40 ? Well sure they probably are at low risk.

But the older co worker or family member they unintentionally infect later........dies .

Freedom baby !

---

Absolutely. We will go there on off hours and sit out side. But, Friday, Sat, Sun....No thanks.

---

Oh my gosh. Stay safe stay at home. What are you trying do? Kill granny?

Carlos Safety said:

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

---

visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

---

One of my best friends is still going to bars. He is in his early 50's, overweight and has high blood pressure.

His choice.

He's not allowed to come over anymore.

My choice .

---

yup.... I know them too! I live next to the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas. I walk the trail daily and you wouldn't believe how packed and what a **** show that is!

---

Are the majority under the age of 40 ? Well sure they probably are at low risk.

But the older co worker or family member they unintentionally infect later........dies .

Freedom baby !

---

Absolutely. We will go there on off hours and sit out side. But, Friday, Sat, Sun....No thanks.

---

Oh my gosh. Stay safe stay at home. What are you trying do? Kill granny?

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why don't you try to add some value instead of being a dick, please? You have no idea what I do on a daily basis. One thing I do is try to protect my neighbors and fellow man. Trust me, I'm no shut in, but I'm careful. Just wait till you have someone close to you die because of you and your selfish attitude. Merca, Mfer

J.R. said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

---

visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

---

One of my best friends is still going to bars. He is in his early 50's, overweight and has high blood pressure.

His choice.

He's not allowed to come over anymore.

My choice .

---

yup.... I know them too! I live next to the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas. I walk the trail daily and you wouldn't believe how packed and what a **** show that is!

---

Are the majority under the age of 40 ? Well sure they probably are at low risk.

But the older co worker or family member they unintentionally infect later........dies .

Freedom baby !

---

Absolutely. We will go there on off hours and sit out side. But, Friday, Sat, Sun....No thanks.

---

Oh my gosh. Stay safe stay at home. What are you trying do? Kill granny?

---

why don't you try to add some value instead of being a dick, please?

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You think it is great that you get to choose your own risk tolerance, but that others should not be allowed to do the same. What if you or the waitress is asymptomatic and your little get together turns out being a superspreader event. Oh my word!

Carlos Safety said:

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J.R. said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

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It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

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If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

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And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

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visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

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One of my best friends is still going to bars. He is in his early 50's, overweight and has high blood pressure.

His choice.

He's not allowed to come over anymore.

My choice .

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yup.... I know them too! I live next to the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas. I walk the trail daily and you wouldn't believe how packed and what a **** show that is!

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Are the majority under the age of 40 ? Well sure they probably are at low risk.

But the older co worker or family member they unintentionally infect later........dies .

Freedom baby !

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Absolutely. We will go there on off hours and sit out side. But, Friday, Sat, Sun....No thanks.

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Oh my gosh. Stay safe stay at home. What are you trying do? Kill granny?

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why don't you try to add some value instead of being a dick, please?

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You think it is great that you get to choose your own risk tolerance, but that others should not be allowed to do the same. What if you or the waitress is asymptomatic and your little get together turns out being a superspreader event. Oh my word!

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You have no idea what I do on a daily basis. One thing I do is try to protect my neighbors and fellow man. Trust me, I'm no shut in, but I'm careful. Just wait till you have someone close to you die because of you and your selfish attitude. Merca, Mfer

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

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Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

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Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

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El Paso ?

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What about it?

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El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

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What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

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There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

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Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

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Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

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It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

---

visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

---

One of my best friends is still going to bars. He is in his early 50's, overweight and has high blood pressure.

His choice.

He's not allowed to come over anymore.

My choice .

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yup.... I know them too! I live next to the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas. I walk the trail daily and you wouldn't believe how packed and what a **** show that is!

---

Are the majority under the age of 40 ? Well sure they probably are at low risk.

But the older co worker or family member they unintentionally infect later........dies .

Freedom baby !

---

Absolutely. We will go there on off hours and sit out side. But, Friday, Sat, Sun....No thanks.

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Oh my gosh. Stay safe stay at home. What are you trying do? Kill granny?

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why don't you try to add some value instead of being a dick, please?

---

You think it is great that you get to choose your own risk tolerance, but that others should not be allowed to do the same. What if you or the waitress is asymptomatic and your little get together turns out being a superspreader event. Oh my word!

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You have no idea what I do on a daily basis. One thing I do is try to protect my neighbors and fellow man. Trust me, I'm no shut in, but I'm careful. Just wait till you have someone close to you die because of you and your selfish attitude. Merca, Mfer

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You are not being careful enough. Any social activity can be deadly. Or so the coviphobes tell us.

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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J.R. said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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fadskier said:

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Canada2017 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Stay strong my friend. Have a fine bottle of wine with the Mrs. on the back porch and enjoy a fine cigar. Distance yourself from the rest of the lepers connected to civilization. This too, shall pass.

---

Unless Remdesivir is somehow mass produced and distributed throughout the country within the next 90 days ....the view from your porch is going to be reminiscent of the 1918 pandemic .

Best estimates now ( without a vaccine or widely available treatment ) are a total of 400,000 to 500,000 dead by March 1, 2021.

And like the 1918 pandemic for every person who dies...at least two survivors suffer long lasting or even permanent damage .

BTW been to a leper colony; was about 15 years ago .

C-19 is far more contagious than leprosy .

---

Just not seeing that here in west Texas. I am now up to 28 people that have had it..only 2 had fever, two had nausea and the rest had allergy like symptoms.

It is just not that dangerous to people that do not have an underlying medical condition.

---

El Paso ?

---

What about it?

---

El Paso is certainly in West Texas and they had 212 die from COVID on November 12 th alone .

Expecting at least another thousand dead in this next few weeks.

Seriously guys , how many have to die before some of you finally put your egos aside and come to grips with something this incredibly obvious ?

---

What is obvious is that no suggestion, order, or mandate from the government has managed to slow the spread. Sometimes it is not our fault. It is just not.

---

There is a significant number number of people who just flat out refuse to take any precautions.

And if they were the only ones getting sick, if they were the only ones dying I'd say ' Hey, buddy do whatever you want '.

But they infect others . They kill others .

Intentionally ....of course not .

But those they infect are dead just the same .
Those they put in the hospital for two weeks are there just the same .

---

Nobody is putting anybody in hospital. Get a grip.

---

Dude, you are out of your mind .

This damn virus is air borne.

You know it .

So why say something so obviously incorrect ?

---

It is not obviously incorrect. It is a virus. It is airborne. That does not mean that I am putting anyone in a hospital just because I don't follow your preferred protocol for dealing with it. Get over yourself.

---

If an individual is sick and goes to the local pub and infectS 6 other people .....one of whom has to go to the hospital as a result .

That dude sure as hell is responsible for putting him there .

It's ridiculous to even discuss something so obvious .

---

And how many examples do you have of a person who knew he was sick going to a bar, making other people sick, and those sick people going to the hospital?

---

visit any college campus! I have 2 college kids and they both say that all their fraternity and sorority members have had it. (mine included) No telling how many people these dumbasses have infected.

---

One of my best friends is still going to bars. He is in his early 50's, overweight and has high blood pressure.

His choice.

He's not allowed to come over anymore.

My choice .

---

yup.... I know them too! I live next to the Katy Trail Ice House in Dallas. I walk the trail daily and you wouldn't believe how packed and what a **** show that is!

---

Are the majority under the age of 40 ? Well sure they probably are at low risk.

But the older co worker or family member they unintentionally infect later........dies .

Freedom baby !

---

Absolutely. We will go there on off hours and sit out side. But, Friday, Sat, Sun....No thanks.

---

Oh my gosh. Stay safe stay at home. What are you trying do? Kill granny?

---

why don't you try to add some value instead of being a dick, please?

---

You think it is great that you get to choose your own risk tolerance, but that others should not be allowed to do the same. What if you or the waitress is asymptomatic and your little get together turns out being a superspreader event. Oh my word!

---

You have no idea what I do on a daily basis. One thing I do is try to protect my neighbors and fellow man. Trust me, I'm no shut in, but I'm careful. Just wait till you have someone close to you die because of you and your selfish attitude. Merca, Mfer

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"Rules for thee, but not for me"

This thread:

No

It's about people who decide to take foolish risks that eventually gets passed on to co workers and family members .

Canada2017 said:

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No

It's about people who decide to take foolish risks that eventually gets passed on to co workers and family members .

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Just stay inside and shut your pie hole. I hear that saves lives.

Carlos Safety said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No

It's about people who decide to take foolish risks that eventually gets passed on to co workers and family members .

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Just stay inside and shut your pie hole. I hear that saves lives.

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It's happy hour .....time for you to find the biggest party in town ....and kiss all the gals.

Nov 18, 2020

https://www.dailywire.com/news/americas-two-largest-republican-states-announce-they-will-have-no-more-lockdowns

America's two largest Republican states Texas and Florida have announced that they will not be going into any more lockdowns as coronavirus cases surge across the country. The news comes as 45 out of 50 states have seen at least a 10% increase in coronavirus cases from the previous week.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott "said in an interview that there won't be 'any more lockdowns' in the state and he wants to focus on 'working to heal those who have Covid' so they can leave the hospitals and get back to their normal routines," NBC News reported. "A spokesperson for the governor told NBC News on Wednesday that Abbott's plan to slow the spread of the virus will rely on 'the data-driven hospitalization metrics used by doctors and medical experts.'"

Renae Eze, a spokesperson for Abbott's office, issued the following statement last week outlining the state's plan to deal with the spike in cases:

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As some communities experience a rise in hospitalizations, the state of Texas is working closely with local officials to quickly provide the resources needed to address these spikes and keep Texans safe. The state's coordination efforts go hand-in-hand with enforcing the existing protocols, a strategy that proved effective in slowing the spread over the summer and containing COVID-19 while allowing businesses to safely operate. The protocols work, but only if they are enforced. The reality is, COVID-19 still exists in Texas and across the globe, and Texans should continue to take this virus seriously and do their part by social distancing, washing their hands, and wearing a mask. These best practices, coupled with the governor's metrics to monitor COVID-19 hospitalizations and local enforcement of protocols, are key to mitigating this virus and keeping our communities and our people safe.

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Florida Governor Ron DeSantis also dismissed the notion of shutting down his state as cases surge around the country.

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"Today we are back down to 4,500 [cases] and a 7.3% positivity rate," a spokesperson for Governor DeSantis told CBS12 News. "We believe yesterday's high number was due to a large submission file and skewed the numbers for that day. The Governor will not lock down and hurt families who can't afford to shelter in place for 6 weeks. Especially not for a virus that has a 99.8% survival rate. One area of concern is Assisted Living Facilities. Since those over 70 face the greatest threat from [COVID] the Governor is monitoring those numbers daily and is prepared to move therapeutic and prophylactic assets to those facilities as needed."

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I will chalk that up to a lesson learned for Gov. Abbott. I respect that and would consider voting for him again because he learned a hard lesson.

Carlos Safety said:

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I will chalk that up to a lesson learned for Gov. Abbott. I respect that and would consider voting for him again because he learned a hard lesson.

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Concur.

I had said I would not vote for any incumbent who locked down society (it is fear-based idiocy and a deplorable violation of basic civil liberties and human dignity), but if they refuse to ever do it again I'll reconsider.

If they were really worried about hospital/PPE/worker capacity, how about spending the last 8 months working on that instead?

Another record number of new infections in Larimer County and the entire state of Colorado .

Local ICU's are now at 75% capacity and projected to be completely full by Decmeber 8th.

So glad this is all a phony fabrication to make us wear face masks.

Jacques Strap said:

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Seems like a good idea like making sure you are not vitamin D deficient

Mouthwash kills coronavirus within 30 seconds in laboratory tests, study finds

Mothwash can kill coronavirus within 30 seconds of being exposed to it in a laboratory, a scientific study has found.

The preliminary result comes ahead of a clinical trial into whether using over-the-counter mouthwash could to reduce the levels of Covid-19 in a patient's saliva.

The Cardiff University report said that mouthwashes containing at least 0.07 per cent cetypyridinium chloride (CPC) showed "promising signs" of combatting the virus.

The report - called The Virucidal Efficacy of Oral Rinse Components Against SARS-CoV-2 In Vitro - is yet to be peer reviewed.

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I mentioned this in an earlier post in this thread. While everyone keeps lobbing volleys back and forth about masks, there are other real steps that can help prevent or minimize infection as well. Masks (most) do a minimal job of prevention. Doing masks with these other things up the odds in your favor even more. Why they don't get the same level of attention boggles my mind.

Canada2017 said:

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No

It's about people who decide to take foolish risks that eventually gets passed on to co workers and family members .

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While I'm sure that "foolish risk" has some percentage of responsibility for spread, the unfortunate reality is that spread is happening more without the necessity of being foolish. "Normal precautionary" life is spreading the disease.

It's as if people need that excuse to explain what's happening instead of realizing this is a highly contagious virus that is going to spread despite any efforts we take. We've never stopped the flu, only figured out what is an acceptable way to live with it. A vaccine likely lowers the wider deadly nature of it, but we will have to live with it, the same way we live with the Spanish Flu today.

ATL Bear said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No

It's about people who decide to take foolish risks that eventually gets passed on to co workers and family members .

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While I'm sure that "foolish risk" has some percentage of responsibility for spread, the unfortunate reality is that spread is happening more without the necessity of being foolish. "Normal precautionary" life is spreading the disease.

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Agreed

Not all the spread is due to foolish behavior.

But limiting such behavior along with social distancing is about all we can do.