The entire board and you are in it. Its one thing to admit that about you but you really shouldn't be talking about others that way.
Trump's Last Chance
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Last: 5 yr ago by TexasScientist
Advisers to the president say that even though he understands he won't win the fight, he remains intent on pushing the legal battle as far as it will go because "he believes he was robbed," one adviser told associates.
While Mr. Trump focuses on the legal fight, he has spent little time on his official duties or planning his agenda for the remaining 62 days of his term, administration officials say. In the 16 days since the election, his public schedule has featured only the occasional lunch and a trip to the Arlington National Cemetery, and he has spoken publicly only twice, using one of those appearances to complain about the vote-counting process.
His schedule for Thursday for the third day in a row showed no public events. He didn't attend a briefing by the White House coronavirus task force, its first since July.
Mr. Trump's decision not to concede has delayed significant portions of the transition process as parts of the government, including the Pentagon and intelligence agencies, withhold resources and briefings from the president-elect's advisers.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-broadens-his-efforts-to-overturn-election-outcome-11605800104?mod=searchresults_pos15&page=2
While Mr. Trump focuses on the legal fight, he has spent little time on his official duties or planning his agenda for the remaining 62 days of his term, administration officials say. In the 16 days since the election, his public schedule has featured only the occasional lunch and a trip to the Arlington National Cemetery, and he has spoken publicly only twice, using one of those appearances to complain about the vote-counting process.
His schedule for Thursday for the third day in a row showed no public events. He didn't attend a briefing by the White House coronavirus task force, its first since July.
Mr. Trump's decision not to concede has delayed significant portions of the transition process as parts of the government, including the Pentagon and intelligence agencies, withhold resources and briefings from the president-elect's advisers.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-broadens-his-efforts-to-overturn-election-outcome-11605800104?mod=searchresults_pos15&page=2
Was thinking about this as well. Trump's messy exit is going to tarnish the entire Republican party .J.R. said:It is you last opportunity to help your legacy which at this point, history will not treat well.TexasScientist said:
Trump suffers twin defeats in his effort to overturn Biden's victory in key states
https://www.thehour.com/news/article/Michigan-lawmakers-arrive-at-the-White-House-amid-15743537.php#item-85307-tbla-1
Trump's latest attempt to steal the election by coercing Michigan Republican Senate and House leaders has failed. Patriotism still remains with some Republicans.
WASHINGTON - When it comes to protecting sensitive information from foreign hackers, President-elect Joe Biden's team is largely on its own.
The federal government, which has some of the most sophisticated antihacking technologies in the world, is offering limited assistance to Mr. Biden's transition operation in securing its email and other communications, despite concerns that the team is likely a top espionage target for Russia, China, and other adversaries, according to people familiar with the transition.
The lack of government cybersecurity support is among the obstacles the Biden transition team has faced as a result of the Trump administration's refusal to acknowledge Mr. Biden's election victory and make available the resources of the federal government ahead of his inauguration in two months.
"The GSA and Trump administration's refusal to acknowledge the results of the election and begin the process for an orderly transition undermines our nation's security - full stop," said Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. "Whether that's in undermining vaccine distribution and wider Covid response coordination, preventing the incoming administration from receiving classified intelligence briefs or forcing the transition teams to use commercial email services."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-team-lacks-full-u-s-cybersecurity-support-in-transition-fracas-11605891470?mod=hp_lead_pos2
The federal government, which has some of the most sophisticated antihacking technologies in the world, is offering limited assistance to Mr. Biden's transition operation in securing its email and other communications, despite concerns that the team is likely a top espionage target for Russia, China, and other adversaries, according to people familiar with the transition.
The lack of government cybersecurity support is among the obstacles the Biden transition team has faced as a result of the Trump administration's refusal to acknowledge Mr. Biden's election victory and make available the resources of the federal government ahead of his inauguration in two months.
"The GSA and Trump administration's refusal to acknowledge the results of the election and begin the process for an orderly transition undermines our nation's security - full stop," said Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. "Whether that's in undermining vaccine distribution and wider Covid response coordination, preventing the incoming administration from receiving classified intelligence briefs or forcing the transition teams to use commercial email services."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-team-lacks-full-u-s-cybersecurity-support-in-transition-fracas-11605891470?mod=hp_lead_pos2
i suspect it is more than we know... I have seen where Jorgensen vote count numbers dropped, I have seen Trump vote count numbers dropped in several videos. Not once have I seen a vote count drop for Biden.HuMcK said:
Didn't Baylor's own Jo Jorgensen get more votes than the margin in 3 or 4 states?
There is a data analyst who believes that thousands of votes were shifted from Jorgensen to Biden. He said people dont watch the third party canidate as much and many TV broadcasts dont show it so it is an easy place to take from with data manipulation.
You mean theres a chance? yippee I was having a hard time believing so many millions of good Americans would actually vote for the sos again. My faith in America is restored.
No, rather the opposite.Canada2017 said:Was thinking about this as well. Trump's messy exit is going to tarnish the entire Republican party .J.R. said:It is you last opportunity to help your legacy which at this point, history will not treat well.TexasScientist said:
Trump suffers twin defeats in his effort to overturn Biden's victory in key states
https://www.thehour.com/news/article/Michigan-lawmakers-arrive-at-the-White-House-amid-15743537.php#item-85307-tbla-1
Trump's latest attempt to steal the election by coercing Michigan Republican Senate and House leaders has failed. Patriotism still remains with some Republicans.
Assuming Trump loses, he won't run again in 2024, he will be too old and no way he waits that long to start a new project. But Trump's success in 2016 and yes even in 2020 in changing demographic support has demonstrated a path for Republicans to follow going forward.
Everyone knows who Donald Trump is. There is no one else really comparable to him. So win or lose, the GOP has always had to plan for post-Trump strategy.
It's quite obvious that the main media, including FOX, is left-leaning and will not be objective.
It's quite obvious that the GOP did much better than expected in most 2020 races, giving the GOP opportunity to take the House in 2022, which would allow for real election reform, such as not relying on non-US companies to count the votes. Other demographic changes also factor into the new landscape.
Far too many people focus on Trump and miss everything else going on.
Trump now seeking to amend the Pennsylvania complaint, ask the court to overturn the election results altogether, and have the legislature appoint electors.
So much for dignity.
So much for dignity.
WE WANT THE TRUTH WHICH RIGHT NOW IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN DIGNITY WHICH IS INHERENTLY SUBJECTIVE. TRUTH IS NOT !!!Sam Lowry said:
Trump now seeking to amend the Pennsylvania complaint, ask the court to overturn the election results altogether, and have the legislature appoint electors.
So much for dignity.
Bypassing the votes of the people?
If you want the truth, the way to go is through the courts. Trump isn't doing that. He's putting on a media show, riling people up with wild claims that he knows he can't prove, to put pressure on legislators and try to overturn the election. That's all Powell and Giuliani are doing.wuzzybear said:WE WANT THE TRUTH WHICH RIGHT NOW IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN DIGNITY WHICH IS INHERENTLY SUBJECTIVE. TRUTH IS NOT !!!Sam Lowry said:
Trump now seeking to amend the Pennsylvania complaint, ask the court to overturn the election results altogether, and have the legislature appoint electors.
So much for dignity.
Here is a link to the decision Huey mentioned above. The court ... wasn't impressed with Trump's arguments. To say the least.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.202.0_1.pdf
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.202.0_1.pdf
Pretty sure all those lawsuits count as 'going through the courts'.
Sam Lowry said:If you want the truth, the way to go is through the courts. Trump isn't doing that. He's putting on a media show, riling people up with wild claims that he knows he can't prove, to put pressure on legislators and try to overturn the election. That's all Powell and Giuliani are doing.wuzzybear said:WE WANT THE TRUTH WHICH RIGHT NOW IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN DIGNITY WHICH IS INHERENTLY SUBJECTIVE. TRUTH IS NOT !!!Sam Lowry said:
Trump now seeking to amend the Pennsylvania complaint, ask the court to overturn the election results altogether, and have the legislature appoint electors.
So much for dignity.
Too much more of that talk and they might mistake you for me.
Without doing the investigation they demand, or presenting the evidence they insist that they've found. Amending their pleadings, claiming fraud, no fraud, fraud again. Exposing the shocking truth, but never just yet. Waiting for the perfect moment - always tomorrow or next week. Win by rabble-rousing, that's their only plan.Oldbear83 said:
Pretty sure all those lawsuits count as 'going through the courts'.
That's not an honest report of events. It's more like what I expect from MSNBC.Sam Lowry said:Without doing the investigation they demand, or presenting the evidence they insist that they've found. Amending their pleadings, claiming fraud, no fraud, fraud again. Exposing the shocking truth, but never just yet. Waiting for the perfect moment - always tomorrow or next week. Win by rabble-rousing, that's their only plan.Oldbear83 said:
Pretty sure all those lawsuits count as 'going through the courts'.
The court cases are progressing, and both sides are trying to win public support. Saying anything else pretty much displays personal bias.
Cases are progressing in court, and a case is being made to the public. It's just that one thing has nothing to do with the other.Oldbear83 said:That's not an honest report of events. It's more like what I expect from MSNBC.Sam Lowry said:Without doing the investigation they demand, or presenting the evidence they insist that they've found. Amending their pleadings, claiming fraud, no fraud, fraud again. Exposing the shocking truth, but never just yet. Waiting for the perfect moment - always tomorrow or next week. Win by rabble-rousing, that's their only plan.Oldbear83 said:
Pretty sure all those lawsuits count as 'going through the courts'.
The court cases are progressing, and both sides are trying to win public support. Saying anything else pretty much displays personal bias.
Yes they do. Judges are humans and can be swayed by the appearance that the public demands x or y.Sam Lowry said:Cases are progressing in court, and a case is being made to the public. It's just that one thing has nothing to do with the other.Oldbear83 said:That's not an honest report of events. It's more like what I expect from MSNBC.Sam Lowry said:Without doing the investigation they demand, or presenting the evidence they insist that they've found. Amending their pleadings, claiming fraud, no fraud, fraud again. Exposing the shocking truth, but never just yet. Waiting for the perfect moment - always tomorrow or next week. Win by rabble-rousing, that's their only plan.Oldbear83 said:
Pretty sure all those lawsuits count as 'going through the courts'.
The court cases are progressing, and both sides are trying to win public support. Saying anything else pretty much displays personal bias.
So instead of saying they were trying to bully legislators, I should have said they were trying to bully legislators and judges.Oldbear83 said:Yes they do. Judges are humans and can be swayed by the appearance that the public demands x or y.Sam Lowry said:Cases are progressing in court, and a case is being made to the public. It's just that one thing has nothing to do with the other.Oldbear83 said:That's not an honest report of events. It's more like what I expect from MSNBC.Sam Lowry said:Without doing the investigation they demand, or presenting the evidence they insist that they've found. Amending their pleadings, claiming fraud, no fraud, fraud again. Exposing the shocking truth, but never just yet. Waiting for the perfect moment - always tomorrow or next week. Win by rabble-rousing, that's their only plan.Oldbear83 said:
Pretty sure all those lawsuits count as 'going through the courts'.
The court cases are progressing, and both sides are trying to win public support. Saying anything else pretty much displays personal bias.
My bad.
You should consider posting less. You are starting to sound a lot like Huck.Sam Lowry said:So instead of saying they were trying to bully legislators, I should have said they were trying to bully legislators and judges.Oldbear83 said:Yes they do. Judges are humans and can be swayed by the appearance that the public demands x or y.Sam Lowry said:Cases are progressing in court, and a case is being made to the public. It's just that one thing has nothing to do with the other.Oldbear83 said:That's not an honest report of events. It's more like what I expect from MSNBC.Sam Lowry said:Without doing the investigation they demand, or presenting the evidence they insist that they've found. Amending their pleadings, claiming fraud, no fraud, fraud again. Exposing the shocking truth, but never just yet. Waiting for the perfect moment - always tomorrow or next week. Win by rabble-rousing, that's their only plan.Oldbear83 said:
Pretty sure all those lawsuits count as 'going through the courts'.
The court cases are progressing, and both sides are trying to win public support. Saying anything else pretty much displays personal bias.
My bad.
+ character and integrity.Sam Lowry said:
Trump now seeking to amend the Pennsylvania complaint, ask the court to overturn the election results altogether, and have the legislature appoint electors.
So much for dignity.
So far Trump has produced nothing but a lot of PR BS, demonstrable false allegations, minor voting irregularities, and nothing substantial in court - all for the purpose of confusing people like you who buy into conspiracy theories and undermining Biden's election.wuzzybear said:WE WANT THE TRUTH WHICH RIGHT NOW IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN DIGNITY WHICH IS INHERENTLY SUBJECTIVE. TRUTH IS NOT !!!Sam Lowry said:
Trump now seeking to amend the Pennsylvania complaint, ask the court to overturn the election results altogether, and have the legislature appoint electors.
So much for dignity.