President Trump's path to victory has all but disappeared in the last week. Yet he does have one chance to salvage some dignity: concede now and begin working for a smooth transition.

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Checkmate in Pennsylvania for the Trump Campaign
By Andrew C. McCarthy
November 18, 2020 5:54 PM

Realistically speaking, the legal battle over the 2020 election is over. As I explained over the weekend, from President Trump's perspective, that battle is beset by a fatal mismatch between (a) what his campaign is in a position to allege and prove, and (b) the remedy - i.e., the potential number of votes that could swing from Biden to Trump. That problem was already apparent last week, when the campaign filed its original complaint in the Williamsport federal court. It became insurmountable Sunday, when the campaign amended its complaint, stripping out the main fraud claims.

What is left of the lawsuit cannot conceivably change the result in Pennsylvania. For that reason, the court will probably not even rule on it - even if we assume for argument's sake that the campaign and its two co-plaintiffs (voters residing in the Commonwealth) have standing to sue, which is doubtful. And, to repeat what I laid out over the weekend, without reversing the election result in Pennsylvania, the president has no chance to reverse the nationwide result (which would minimally require winning Pennsylvania plus two other states).

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the-trump-campaign/

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Sam Lowry said:

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President Trump's path to victory has all but disappeared in the last week. Yet he does have one chance to salvage some dignity: concede now and begin working for a smooth transition.

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Checkmate in Pennsylvania for the Trump Campaign
By Andrew C. McCarthy
November 18, 2020 5:54 PM

Realistically speaking, the legal battle over the 2020 election is over. As I explained over the weekend, from President Trump's perspective, that battle is beset by a fatal mismatch between (a) what his campaign is in a position to allege and prove, and (b) the remedy - i.e., the potential number of votes that could swing from Biden to Trump. That problem was already apparent last week, when the campaign filed its original complaint in the Williamsport federal court. It became insurmountable Sunday, when the campaign amended its complaint, stripping out the main fraud claims.

What is left of the lawsuit cannot conceivably change the result in Pennsylvania. For that reason, the court will probably not even rule on it - even if we assume for argument's sake that the campaign and its two co-plaintiffs (voters residing in the Commonwealth) have standing to sue, which is doubtful. And, to repeat what I laid out over the weekend, without reversing the election result in Pennsylvania, the president has no chance to reverse the nationwide result (which would minimally require winning Pennsylvania plus two other states).

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the-trump-campaign/

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NEVER bet against Trump PERIOD.

No longer so sure Trump legitimately lost Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania .

Yesterdays blatant physical threats against those 2 Republican election officials and their FAMILIES to certify the vote counts .......tells me there are dangerous forces at work . Forces who will stop at nothing to 'win'.

I want votes from Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee checked.

wuzzybear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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President Trump's path to victory has all but disappeared in the last week. Yet he does have one chance to salvage some dignity: concede now and begin working for a smooth transition.

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Checkmate in Pennsylvania for the Trump Campaign
By Andrew C. McCarthy
November 18, 2020 5:54 PM

Realistically speaking, the legal battle over the 2020 election is over. As I explained over the weekend, from President Trump's perspective, that battle is beset by a fatal mismatch between (a) what his campaign is in a position to allege and prove, and (b) the remedy - i.e., the potential number of votes that could swing from Biden to Trump. That problem was already apparent last week, when the campaign filed its original complaint in the Williamsport federal court. It became insurmountable Sunday, when the campaign amended its complaint, stripping out the main fraud claims.

What is left of the lawsuit cannot conceivably change the result in Pennsylvania. For that reason, the court will probably not even rule on it - even if we assume for argument's sake that the campaign and its two co-plaintiffs (voters residing in the Commonwealth) have standing to sue, which is doubtful. And, to repeat what I laid out over the weekend, without reversing the election result in Pennsylvania, the president has no chance to reverse the nationwide result (which would minimally require winning Pennsylvania plus two other states).

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the-trump-campaign/

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NEVER bet against Trump PERIOD.

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I'll take this particular bet.

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No longer so sure Trump legitimately lost Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania .

Yesterdays blatant physical threats against those 2 Republican election officials and their FAMILIES to certify the vote counts .......tells me there are dangerous forces at work . Forces who will stop at nothing to 'win'.

I want votes from Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee checked.

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Just come out and say you don't think votes cast in majority black cities in swing states should count, we all know that's what Republicans mean when they focus in on those cities exclusively (even though it was the suburbs that sunk Trump).

Canada2017 said:

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No longer so sure Trump legitimately lost Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania .

Yesterdays blatant physical threats against those 2 Republican election officials and their FAMILIES to certify the vote counts .......tells me there are dangerous forces at work . Forces who will stop at nothing to 'win'.

I want votes from Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee checked.

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Threats should be investigated and fully prosecuted if warranted. Period.

But as to those two officials in Michigan, not much good I can say. They initially refused to certify Wayne County. They then offered to compromise and certify parts of Wayne County, just not the precincts in the city of Detroit. They deserve our scorn.

But not threats.

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Canada2017 said:

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No longer so sure Trump legitimately lost Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania .

Yesterdays blatant physical threats against those 2 Republican election officials and their FAMILIES to certify the vote counts .......tells me there are dangerous forces at work . Forces who will stop at nothing to 'win'.

I want votes from Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee checked.

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Just come out and say you don't think votes cast in majority black cities in swing states should count, we all know that's what Republicans mean when they focus in on those cities exclusively (even though it was the suburbs that sunk Trump).

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Normally have you on ignore as you are so partisan as to be ridiculous . One response only.

Threatening election officials.....and their FAMILIES ......suggests there is a massive coverup going on.

Guys like you don't care if there was. You want to 'win' at all costs. I have no doubt you approve of the rioting, the assaults against anyone who doesn't think like you .

Those ballots need to be checked and that the computer tabulations are legitimate .

I hope they are legitimate ...and that Biden gets sworn in as President of the United States.

Because if in fact massive fraud is shown......ballot dumps or computer fraud.

There will be open warfare throughout the country....and Trump isn't worth it .



Back to ignore you go .

Politicians get threatened all the time, and all it means is that there are terrible people out there.

Trump lost, and not by a little. You guys will still be wailing about Detroit and Atlanta 10 years from now. I do worry about your mental health.

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Canada2017 said:

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No longer so sure Trump legitimately lost Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania .

Yesterdays blatant physical threats against those 2 Republican election officials and their FAMILIES to certify the vote counts .......tells me there are dangerous forces at work . Forces who will stop at nothing to 'win'.

I want votes from Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee checked.

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Threats should be investigated and fully prosecuted if warranted. Period.

But as to those two officials in Michigan, not much good I can say. They initially refused to certify Wayne County. They then offered to compromise and certify parts of Wayne County, just not the precincts in the city of Detroit. They deserve our scorn.

But not threats.

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We disagree frequently but I respect your opinions as any former air force officer has got me beat.

Suspect you are aware of Detroit's reputation for 'interesting' vote tabulations . Said reputation has been established for decades .

Those 2 election officials agreed to certify the vote in a compromise with their Democratic associates....in return that the secretary of state would conduct a thorough investigation of the precincts in question.

For whatever reason...the secretary of state refused. Why ? We both know why.

Sam Lowry said:

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President Trump's path to victory has all but disappeared in the last week. Yet he does have one chance to salvage some dignity: concede now and begin working for a smooth transition.

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Checkmate in Pennsylvania for the Trump Campaign
By Andrew C. McCarthy
November 18, 2020 5:54 PM

Realistically speaking, the legal battle over the 2020 election is over. As I explained over the weekend, from President Trump's perspective, that battle is beset by a fatal mismatch between (a) what his campaign is in a position to allege and prove, and (b) the remedy - i.e., the potential number of votes that could swing from Biden to Trump. That problem was already apparent last week, when the campaign filed its original complaint in the Williamsport federal court. It became insurmountable Sunday, when the campaign amended its complaint, stripping out the main fraud claims.

What is left of the lawsuit cannot conceivably change the result in Pennsylvania. For that reason, the court will probably not even rule on it - even if we assume for argument's sake that the campaign and its two co-plaintiffs (voters residing in the Commonwealth) have standing to sue, which is doubtful. And, to repeat what I laid out over the weekend, without reversing the election result in Pennsylvania, the president has no chance to reverse the nationwide result (which would minimally require winning Pennsylvania plus two other states).

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the-trump-campaign/

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Al Gore had over a month, it would be nice to give Trump at least the same amount of time to make sure this was a free and fair election.

HuMcK said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No longer so sure Trump legitimately lost Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania .

Yesterdays blatant physical threats against those 2 Republican election officials and their FAMILIES to certify the vote counts .......tells me there are dangerous forces at work . Forces who will stop at nothing to 'win'.

I want votes from Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee checked.

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Just come out and say you don't think votes cast in majority black cities in swing states should count, we all know that's what Republicans mean when they focus in on those cities exclusively (even though it was the suburbs that sunk Trump).

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You live in lala land.

Get over yourself clown.

I personally think that every vote in every state in every county should be audited and recounted.

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Politicians get threatened all the time, and all it means is that there are terrible people out there.

Trump lost, and not by a little. You guys will still be wailing about Detroit and Atlanta 10 years from now. I do worry about your mental health.

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

Biden's popular vote lead over Trump is now almost what Bush defeated Dukakis by in 88. That was regarded at the time by the media as a landslide.

The election has at least one more week in it. It should be obvious that the SCOTUS will be involved, even if only to deny the last hail mary.

But Alito's move last week suggests there is interest in at least hearing the arguments, and there are several which are likely to be considered. For all the media dismissal, no court has rejected the 'two tier' argument made by Trump's lawyers. While I think it's a steep hill to climb to produce the hard evidence needed to make that claim stick, we are not done yet at all.

If what you mean by getting involved is denying Cert. I can agree.

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If what you mean by getting involved is denying Cert. I can agree.

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Certification is the goal line for Democrats. Historically, courts are extremely resistant to overturning a certified election. That's part of what won Florida for Bush in 2000; the election was certified and this put pressure on SCOTUS to keep it that way.

Trump needs to flip a state, almost any state. If Nevada, for example, were to flip (speaking hypothetically here), the 6 EV would not be consequential but would create a sense that other states could be in play. So expect Trump to fight hard to win Georgia or Arizona if at all possible.

Also, Trump needs to flip a state to make his case look feasible. No court is going to hand over Pennsylvania, let alone Michigan, even if Trump's lawyers make a good argument, if it looks like they won't change the outcome.

The Democrats certainly know this. So while they know that state court rulings are irrelevant in the big picture, they also know that judges can be swayed by making it look like the election is moot at this point.

There is enough data there, that I think SCOTUS will hear the case, but that could be just to assure the public that all major claims got a fair hearing.

HuMcK said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No longer so sure Trump legitimately lost Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania .

Yesterdays blatant physical threats against those 2 Republican election officials and their FAMILIES to certify the vote counts .......tells me there are dangerous forces at work . Forces who will stop at nothing to 'win'.

I want votes from Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee checked.

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Just come out and say you don't think votes cast in majority black cities in swing states should count, we all know that's what Republicans mean when they focus in on those cities exclusively (even though it was the suburbs that sunk Trump).

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i admit as a POC... Audit all the votes!

Supreme Court will not flip any election ....regardless of irregularities.

As the justices are historically loath to become king makers .

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Supreme Court will not flip any election ....regardless of irregularities.

As the justices are historically loath to become king makers .

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If there is evidence, real evidence, that the officials in several states manipulated the outcome ... then I could see the SCOTUS directing the legislatures in those states to choose the electors.

Very, very unlikely. But it's possible and would have the double value that there is historical precedent, and the judges would be able to say that the legislators, not the judges, decided the outcome.

HuMcK said:

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Canada2017 said:

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No longer so sure Trump legitimately lost Michigan, Wisconsin or Pennsylvania .

Yesterdays blatant physical threats against those 2 Republican election officials and their FAMILIES to certify the vote counts .......tells me there are dangerous forces at work . Forces who will stop at nothing to 'win'.

I want votes from Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee checked.

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Just come out and say you don't think votes cast in majority black cities in swing states should count, we all know that's what Republicans mean when they focus in on those cities exclusively (even though it was the suburbs that sunk Trump).

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What is it with you and so much basic logic fail? Lot's of stupid assertions/tautologies.

Canada2017 said:

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

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I have to think if they were manipulated, the vote differences would be even bigger than they are. And I do not think you would have seen any Republican gains in the House.

I voted for Trump, but I am ready for him to go away, QUIETLY.

Nguyen One Soon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

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I have to think if they were manipulated, the vote differences would be even bigger than they are. And I do not think you would have seen any Republican gains in the House.

I voted for Trump, but I am ready for him to go away, QUIETLY.

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I want him to go quietly as well.

As the alternative is bloodshed ....lots of it .

But I want these machines investigated for next time .
I want Detroit and Philly cleaned up...for next time .

Canada2017 said:

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Nguyen One Soon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

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I have to think if they were manipulated, the vote differences would be even bigger than they are. And I do not think you would have seen any Republican gains in the House.

I voted for Trump, but I am ready for him to go away, QUIETLY.

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I want him to go quietly as well.

As the alternative is bloodshed ....lots of it .

But I want these machines investigated for next time .
I want Detroit and Philly cleaned up...for next time .

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I wouldn't be overly alarmed by the sheer volume of complaints. The pattern from Trump's people in the last couple of weeks has been to float an allegation, wait for it to be debunked, then float another, and another, and so on. It's like if they can keep the smoke going long enough, they'll never have to prove there's a fire.

wuzzybear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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President Trump's path to victory has all but disappeared in the last week. Yet he does have one chance to salvage some dignity: concede now and begin working for a smooth transition.

Quote:

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Checkmate in Pennsylvania for the Trump Campaign
By Andrew C. McCarthy
November 18, 2020 5:54 PM

Realistically speaking, the legal battle over the 2020 election is over. As I explained over the weekend, from President Trump's perspective, that battle is beset by a fatal mismatch between (a) what his campaign is in a position to allege and prove, and (b) the remedy - i.e., the potential number of votes that could swing from Biden to Trump. That problem was already apparent last week, when the campaign filed its original complaint in the Williamsport federal court. It became insurmountable Sunday, when the campaign amended its complaint, stripping out the main fraud claims.

What is left of the lawsuit cannot conceivably change the result in Pennsylvania. For that reason, the court will probably not even rule on it - even if we assume for argument's sake that the campaign and its two co-plaintiffs (voters residing in the Commonwealth) have standing to sue, which is doubtful. And, to repeat what I laid out over the weekend, without reversing the election result in Pennsylvania, the president has no chance to reverse the nationwide result (which would minimally require winning Pennsylvania plus two other states).

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the-trump-campaign/

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NEVER bet against Trump PERIOD.

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from what rock did you crawl?

Sam Lowry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Nguyen One Soon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

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I have to think if they were manipulated, the vote differences would be even bigger than they are. And I do not think you would have seen any Republican gains in the House.

I voted for Trump, but I am ready for him to go away, QUIETLY.

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I want him to go quietly as well.

As the alternative is bloodshed ....lots of it .

But I want these machines investigated for next time .
I want Detroit and Philly cleaned up...for next time .

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I wouldn't be overly alarmed by the sheer volume of complaints. The pattern from Trump's people in the last couple of weeks has been to float an allegation, wait for it to be debunked, then float another, and another, and so on. It's like if they can keep the smoke going long enough, they'll never have to prove there's a fire.

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Detroit and Philadelphia irregularities have been common place for so long it's become accepted as inevitable.

And that not fair to the voters of the rest of those states .

Las Vegas as had irregularities since Senator Reid's last re election bid..... at least .

Trump is no longer the issue . He is not worth the bloodshed.

But the legitimacy of our electoral processes is most certainly worth the fight .

Otherwise why bother to vote at all ?

Canada2017 said:

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Nguyen One Soon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

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I have to think if they were manipulated, the vote differences would be even bigger than they are. And I do not think you would have seen any Republican gains in the House.

I voted for Trump, but I am ready for him to go away, QUIETLY.

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I want him to go quietly as well.

As the alternative is bloodshed ....lots of it .

But I want these machines investigated for next time .
I want Detroit and Philly cleaned up...for next time .

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Boodshed? I just don't see it happening. We have some brave talking anonymous rebels writing brave threats on this forum. Don't believe them.

Osodecentx said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Nguyen One Soon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

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I have to think if they were manipulated, the vote differences would be even bigger than they are. And I do not think you would have seen any Republican gains in the House.

I voted for Trump, but I am ready for him to go away, QUIETLY.

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I want him to go quietly as well.

As the alternative is bloodshed ....lots of it .

But I want these machines investigated for next time .
I want Detroit and Philly cleaned up...for next time .

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Boodshed? I just don't see it happening. We have some brave talking anonymous rebels writing brave threats on this forum. Don't believe them.

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Not concerned from what I read here. LOL.

Rather from what I hear from people throughout Texas and even Colorado .

People are furious . If Trump keeps yapping and Dems keep stonewalling ....it's going to get real .

Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Nguyen One Soon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

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I have to think if they were manipulated, the vote differences would be even bigger than they are. And I do not think you would have seen any Republican gains in the House.

I voted for Trump, but I am ready for him to go away, QUIETLY.

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I want him to go quietly as well.

As the alternative is bloodshed ....lots of it .

But I want these machines investigated for next time .
I want Detroit and Philly cleaned up...for next time .

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I wouldn't be overly alarmed by the sheer volume of complaints. The pattern from Trump's people in the last couple of weeks has been to float an allegation, wait for it to be debunked, then float another, and another, and so on. It's like if they can keep the smoke going long enough, they'll never have to prove there's a fire.

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Detroit and Philadelphia irregularities have been common place for so long it's become accepted as inevitable.

And that not fair to the voters of the rest of those states .

Las Vegas as had irregularities since Senator Reid's last re election bid..... at least .

Trump is no longer the issue . He is not worth the bloodshed.

But the legitimacy of our electoral processes is most certainly worth the fight .

Otherwise why bother to vote at all ?

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I agree, but there's always going to be some irregularity. It's rarely enough to make a difference. We're hearing a lot more about it this year because Trump is Trump and of course he's going to play it up.

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Supreme Court will not flip any election ....regardless of irregularities.

As the justices are historically loath to become king makers .

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they only have to rule that the laws in place by legislature is the law of the election- that is what the constitution says... the rest can work itself out.

Sam Lowry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Nguyen One Soon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

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I have to think if they were manipulated, the vote differences would be even bigger than they are. And I do not think you would have seen any Republican gains in the House.

I voted for Trump, but I am ready for him to go away, QUIETLY.

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I want him to go quietly as well.

As the alternative is bloodshed ....lots of it .

But I want these machines investigated for next time .
I want Detroit and Philly cleaned up...for next time .

---

I wouldn't be overly alarmed by the sheer volume of complaints. The pattern from Trump's people in the last couple of weeks has been to float an allegation, wait for it to be debunked, then float another, and another, and so on. It's like if they can keep the smoke going long enough, they'll never have to prove there's a fire.

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Yep, right out of the democrats playbook for the last 4 (or longer) years.

Sam Lowry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Nguyen One Soon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

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I have to think if they were manipulated, the vote differences would be even bigger than they are. And I do not think you would have seen any Republican gains in the House.

I voted for Trump, but I am ready for him to go away, QUIETLY.

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I want him to go quietly as well.

As the alternative is bloodshed ....lots of it .

But I want these machines investigated for next time .
I want Detroit and Philly cleaned up...for next time .

---

I wouldn't be overly alarmed by the sheer volume of complaints. The pattern from Trump's people in the last couple of weeks has been to float an allegation, wait for it to be debunked, then float another, and another, and so on. It's like if they can keep the smoke going long enough, they'll never have to prove there's a fire.

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Detroit and Philadelphia irregularities have been common place for so long it's become accepted as inevitable.

And that not fair to the voters of the rest of those states .

Las Vegas as had irregularities since Senator Reid's last re election bid..... at least .

Trump is no longer the issue . He is not worth the bloodshed.

But the legitimacy of our electoral processes is most certainly worth the fight .

Otherwise why bother to vote at all ?

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I agree, but there's always going to be some irregularity. It's rarely enough to make a difference. We're hearing a lot more about it this year because Trump is Trump and of course he's going to play it up.

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Is he playing it up or is he refusing to let it die like always?

Sam Lowry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Canada2017 said:

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Nguyen One Soon said:

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Canada2017 said:

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

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I have to think if they were manipulated, the vote differences would be even bigger than they are. And I do not think you would have seen any Republican gains in the House.

I voted for Trump, but I am ready for him to go away, QUIETLY.

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I want him to go quietly as well.

As the alternative is bloodshed ....lots of it .

But I want these machines investigated for next time .
I want Detroit and Philly cleaned up...for next time .

---

I wouldn't be overly alarmed by the sheer volume of complaints. The pattern from Trump's people in the last couple of weeks has been to float an allegation, wait for it to be debunked, then float another, and another, and so on. It's like if they can keep the smoke going long enough, they'll never have to prove there's a fire.

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Detroit and Philadelphia irregularities have been common place for so long it's become accepted as inevitable.

And that not fair to the voters of the rest of those states .

Las Vegas as had irregularities since Senator Reid's last re election bid..... at least .

Trump is no longer the issue . He is not worth the bloodshed.

But the legitimacy of our electoral processes is most certainly worth the fight .

Otherwise why bother to vote at all ?

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I agree, but there's always going to be some irregularity. It's rarely enough to make a difference. We're hearing a lot more about it this year because Trump is Trump and of course he's going to play it up.

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it is ok with you that there are more votes in MI than there are people signed in to vote a ballot?

This is counting/processing error that an audit will fix or it is fraud that an audit should catch. Why so against an audit?

FYI, GA is having the same issue... wonder how long it takes to see that all the shut down in the middle of the count states have it...

J.R. said:

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wuzzybear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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President Trump's path to victory has all but disappeared in the last week. Yet he does have one chance to salvage some dignity: concede now and begin working for a smooth transition.

Quote:

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Checkmate in Pennsylvania for the Trump Campaign
By Andrew C. McCarthy
November 18, 2020 5:54 PM

Realistically speaking, the legal battle over the 2020 election is over. As I explained over the weekend, from President Trump's perspective, that battle is beset by a fatal mismatch between (a) what his campaign is in a position to allege and prove, and (b) the remedy - i.e., the potential number of votes that could swing from Biden to Trump. That problem was already apparent last week, when the campaign filed its original complaint in the Williamsport federal court. It became insurmountable Sunday, when the campaign amended its complaint, stripping out the main fraud claims.

What is left of the lawsuit cannot conceivably change the result in Pennsylvania. For that reason, the court will probably not even rule on it - even if we assume for argument's sake that the campaign and its two co-plaintiffs (voters residing in the Commonwealth) have standing to sue, which is doubtful. And, to repeat what I laid out over the weekend, without reversing the election result in Pennsylvania, the president has no chance to reverse the nationwide result (which would minimally require winning Pennsylvania plus two other states).

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/checkmate-in-pennsylvania-for-the-trump-campaign/

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NEVER bet against Trump PERIOD.

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from what rock did you crawl?

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I'm from Pluto. What about you? I'm telling you right here and now Trump won this in a landslide. Why can't you let the evidence come out...slowly as it does. That is the problem with you Trump haters. YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO LET THIS PLAY OUT. Too much time watching Conspiracy News Network. I'm getting damn tired of the s-h-i-t this man has endured. Whether you like his style or not he has delivered for me. It is unbelievable to me that you would even entertain the thought of Kamala being president. Everything in govt needs to weeded out and get Trump back to draining the ENTIRE swamp. You watching the news conference right now? Maybe you ought to listen a bit.

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I don't give a damn about Trump at this point .

If our elections are being manipulated via compute technology or massive ballot dumps it effectively disenfranchises legitimate voters. If effectively destroys our democracy .

Would gladly install Biden in return for a thorough investigation and the application of remedies where needed.

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I have to think if they were manipulated, the vote differences would be even bigger than they are. And I do not think you would have seen any Republican gains in the House.

I voted for Trump, but I am ready for him to go away, QUIETLY.

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I want him to go quietly as well.

As the alternative is bloodshed ....lots of it .

But I want these machines investigated for next time .
I want Detroit and Philly cleaned up...for next time .

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I wouldn't be overly alarmed by the sheer volume of complaints. The pattern from Trump's people in the last couple of weeks has been to float an allegation, wait for it to be debunked, then float another, and another, and so on. It's like if they can keep the smoke going long enough, they'll never have to prove there's a fire.

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Detroit and Philadelphia irregularities have been common place for so long it's become accepted as inevitable.

And that not fair to the voters of the rest of those states .

Las Vegas as had irregularities since Senator Reid's last re election bid..... at least .

Trump is no longer the issue . He is not worth the bloodshed.

But the legitimacy of our electoral processes is most certainly worth the fight .

Otherwise why bother to vote at all ?

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I agree, but there's always going to be some irregularity. It's rarely enough to make a difference. We're hearing a lot more about it this year because Trump is Trump and of course he's going to play it up.

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Is he playing it up or is he refusing to let it die like always?

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He's doing both. He's pursuing litigation, which he has every right to do, but he's also tweeting garbage just to keep the pot stirred.

And aside from his legal rights, there's also the matter of what's best for the country (and his own legacy).

I want this investigated in all states (no matter how red or blue they are), the fraud needs to be brought into the light, regardless of who wins this particular election.