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Gen Flynn pardoed
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Last: 3 yr ago by whiterock
Just another reminder why I voted for Trump.
Damn pandemic .
Damn pandemic .
Happy for General Flynn. What a sad state of affairs for our country that he was ever charged.
Judge Sullivan is a scumbag.
Some judges have a very high opinion of themselves.Doc Holliday said:
Judge Sullivan is a scumbag.
Thats great. Lying under oath doesnt mean as much as it used to.
What lie did he tell under oath?Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Thats great. Lying under oath doesnt mean as much as it used to.
The FBI agents who interviewed him wrote in their notes that he told the truth. DOJ tried to withdraw the charges.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Thats great. Lying under oath doesnt mean as much as it used to.
In re: lying under oath - Let's ask Bill Clinton, McCabe, Clapper,
What are you talking about?Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Thats great. Lying under oath doesnt mean as much as it used to.
That is an incorrect interpretation of what the FBI agents said. They said that he didn't show any overt clues that would show consciousness he lied, which is wildly different than saying they didnt think he lied. They said it appeared that he didn't think he was lying, not that they agreed with him.
And when DoJ (Barr) tried to dismiss the charges, after multiple guilty pleas to 2 judges, the lead prosecutor resigned in disgust. Lying to FBI investigators is also not the only criminal conduct Flynn plead guilty to, that's just all he was charged with in exchange for his guilty pleas.
And when DoJ (Barr) tried to dismiss the charges, after multiple guilty pleas to 2 judges, the lead prosecutor resigned in disgust. Lying to FBI investigators is also not the only criminal conduct Flynn plead guilty to, that's just all he was charged with in exchange for his guilty pleas.
You may be right, but do you have a link on the FBI agents' notes/opinions?HuMcK said:
That is an incorrect interpretation of what the FBI agents said. They said that he didn't show any overt clues that would show consciousness he lied, which is wildly different than saying they didnt think he lied. They said it appeared that he didn't think he was lying, not that they agreed with him.
And when DoJ (Barr) tried to dismiss the charges, after multiple guilty pleas to 2 judges, the lead prosecutor resigned in disgust.
The lead prosecutor? What about justice? Flynn has been in the frying pan for 4 years. He's lost million of dollars, his good name, and 4 years of his life. How much more do you want?
In the words of George Costanza, it's not a lie if you don't believe it's a lie.HuMcK said:
That is an incorrect interpretation of what the FBI agents said. They said that he didn't show any overt clues that would show consciousness he lied, which is wildly different than saying they didnt think he lied. They said it appeared that he didn't think he was lying, not that they agreed with him.
And when DoJ (Barr) tried to dismiss the charges, after multiple guilty pleas to 2 judges, the lead prosecutor resigned in disgust. Lying to FBI investigators is also not the only criminal conduct Flynn plead guilty to, that's just all.he was charged with in exchange for his guilty pleas.
Just FYI, that is pretty close to the legal definition as well. You have to be aware that what you are saying is false.
Ignorance is not a legal defense. Are you suggesting that Flynn was innocent by an inability to determine right from wrong--incapacity?Mothra said:In the words of George Costanza, it's not a lie if you don't believe it's a lie.HuMcK said:
That is an incorrect interpretation of what the FBI agents said. They said that he didn't show any overt clues that would show consciousness he lied, which is wildly different than saying they didnt think he lied. They said it appeared that he didn't think he was lying, not that they agreed with him.
And when DoJ (Barr) tried to dismiss the charges, after multiple guilty pleas to 2 judges, the lead prosecutor resigned in disgust. Lying to FBI investigators is also not the only criminal conduct Flynn plead guilty to, that's just all.he was charged with in exchange for his guilty pleas.
Just FYI, that is pretty close to the legal definition as well. You have to be aware that what you are saying is false.
The time to hash that out was before pleading guilty...twice. Again, he plead to that lesser charge because it was a lighter offense than the other conduct he admitted to in his pleadings, a functioning DoJ would have torn up the agreement and gone after him for FARA violations.
Exactly when was the truth critically important in Washington DC ?Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Thats great. Lying under oath doesnt mean as much as it used to.
I want him to wear the felon tag he deserves. He himself is the one that drug this out 4yrs, if he would have cooperated he would have plead out and been off of probation a year ago. And if you don't think his legal bills are more than covered, you aren't paying attention. His current lawyer is your girl Sidney Powell, working for free last I heard.
Can't find a link, all google searches are about current news and a different set of notes.
Can't find a link, all google searches are about current news and a different set of notes.
Lawyers recommend their clients take plea deals all the time, even for crimes the accused believes he is not guilty of.HuMcK said:
The time to hash that out was before pleading guilty...twice. Again, he plead to that lesser charge because it was a lighter offense than the other conduct he admitted to in his pleadings, a functioning DoJ would have torn up the agreement and gone after him for FARA violations.
Fear not.......when Harris replaces Biden she will make sure hundreds of her political opponents wear the felon tag they 'deserve'.HuMcK said:
I want him to wear the felon tag he deserves. He himself is the one that drug this out 4yrs, if he would have cooperated he would have plead out and been off of probation a year ago. And if you dint think his legal Bill's are more than covered, you aren't paying attention. His current lawyer is your girl Sidney Powell, working for free last I heard.
Cant find a link, all google searches are about current news and a different set of notes.
Lying requires knowledge that the statement is false. That's always been an essential element of perjury.TWD 74 said:Ignorance is not a legal defense. Are you suggesting that Flynn was innocent by an inability to determine right from wrong--incapacity?Mothra said:In the words of George Costanza, it's not a lie if you don't believe it's a lie.HuMcK said:
That is an incorrect interpretation of what the FBI agents said. They said that he didn't show any overt clues that would show consciousness he lied, which is wildly different than saying they didnt think he lied. They said it appeared that he didn't think he was lying, not that they agreed with him.
And when DoJ (Barr) tried to dismiss the charges, after multiple guilty pleas to 2 judges, the lead prosecutor resigned in disgust. Lying to FBI investigators is also not the only criminal conduct Flynn plead guilty to, that's just all.he was charged with in exchange for his guilty pleas.
Just FYI, that is pretty close to the legal definition as well. You have to be aware that what you are saying is false.
LOL at you butt hurt over this.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Thats great. Lying under oath doesnt mean as much as it used to.
Michael Flynn is not some indigent criminal off the street who doesn't know any better. Is it your position that a former 3* general, former National Security Advisor, former Director of National Intellegence, did not know basic things about his legal pleadings after having them explained to him in painstaking detail by both judges before his plea?
I understand advocacy, but that defies all reason, and I know that you are sophisticated enough to know that.
I understand advocacy, but that defies all reason, and I know that you are sophisticated enough to know that.
Flynn by his own admission was aware that his conversation with the Russian Ambassador was being monitored. As a former DNI he damn well should have known! The question is, does he not recall what he said to the Ambassador on the call. Again, all suggesting some form of mental incapacity. Arguments never argued in Court.HuMcK said:
Michael Flynn is not some indigent criminal off the street who doesn't know any better. Is it your position that a former 3* general, former National Security Advisor, former Director of National Intellegence, did not know basic things about his legal pleadings after having them explained to him in painstaking detail by both judges before his plea?
I understand advocacy, but that defies all reason, and I know that you are sophisticated enough to know that.
It's been 6 months since the DOJ told Sullivan to dismiss the case. What this judge has done is beyond corrupt.
We have uncovered unbelievable misconduct by our FBI.
Someone illegally leaked on Flynn as well.
The Mueller SC threatened to go after Flynn's son which is why Flynn made the choice to take the guilty plea.
There is ZERO evidence he lied about his conversation with Kislyak, in fact the FBI didn't believe he was lying.
We have uncovered unbelievable misconduct by our FBI.
Someone illegally leaked on Flynn as well.
The Mueller SC threatened to go after Flynn's son which is why Flynn made the choice to take the guilty plea.
There is ZERO evidence he lied about his conversation with Kislyak, in fact the FBI didn't believe he was lying.
Can someone please tell us the exact words that Flynn uttered that resulted in charges?
He plead guilty to lying to the FBI. He said he had lied about contacting a Russian ambassador.
If he didnt lie to the FBI he lied when he plead guilty.
If he did lie to the FBI, well. he lied.
Like I said. lying under oath doesnt mean as much as it used to. I am not butt hurt at all. Nothing Trump does surprises me. Whats surprising is the good people that bend over backward to either say he didnt lie, ask in shock "what lie?" or insist someone made him lie. Others go the "well, what about Sally? She lied too" or, "You know everybody lies under oath."
If he didnt lie to the FBI he lied when he plead guilty.
If he did lie to the FBI, well. he lied.
Like I said. lying under oath doesnt mean as much as it used to. I am not butt hurt at all. Nothing Trump does surprises me. Whats surprising is the good people that bend over backward to either say he didnt lie, ask in shock "what lie?" or insist someone made him lie. Others go the "well, what about Sally? She lied too" or, "You know everybody lies under oath."
LOL! That is not the statement that resulted in the charges. You really need the statement, if you can find it, because the charges will turn on the details, Flynn's knowledge, and whether any misstatements of fact were material.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
He plead guilty to lying to the FBI. He said he had lied about contacting a Russian ambassador.
If he didnt lie to the FBI he lied when he plead guilty.
If he did lie to the FBI, well. he lied.
Now, go read the statute and what the government has to prove to get a conviction. He did not violate the statute.
So it is your testimony that he did not lie to VP Pence and the FBI even though he later plead guilty to it and then recanted and said he really didnt lie?
Which part am I wrong about?
He said he lied.
He said he didnt lie.
Which one is correct?
Which part am I wrong about?
He said he lied.
He said he didnt lie.
Which one is correct?
Do yourself a favor and get familiar with this saga before commenting.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
He plead guilty to lying to the FBI. He said he had lied about contacting a Russian ambassador.
If he didnt lie to the FBI he lied when he plead guilty.
If he did lie to the FBI, well. he lied.
Like I said. lying under oath doesnt mean as much as it used to. I am not butt hurt at all. Nothing Trump does surprises me. Whats surprising is the good people that bend over backward to either say he didnt lie, ask in shock "what lie?" or insist someone made him lie. Others go the "well, what about Sally? She lied too" or, "You know everybody lies under oath."
If Flynn is so concerned that his admission of lying was wrong and he didn't lie, he can refuse the pardon proffered by Trump. I'm sure Sidney would just love another 3 years to go round and round on this case.Carlos Safety said:LOL! That is not the statement that resulted in the charges. You really need the statement, if you can find it, because the charges will turn on the details, Flynn's knowledge, and whether any misstatements of fact were material.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
He plead guilty to lying to the FBI. He said he had lied about contacting a Russian ambassador.
If he didnt lie to the FBI he lied when he plead guilty.
If he did lie to the FBI, well. he lied.
Now, go read the statute and what the government has to prove to get a conviction. He did not violate the statute.
To lie is not a felony in and of itself. He was not under oath when he talked to Pence and he was not under oath when he talked to the FBI. You still don't have a crime to talk about.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
So it is your testimony that he did not lie to VP Pence and the FBI even though he later plead guilty to it and then recanted and said he really didnt lie?
Which part am I wrong about?
He said he lied.
He said he didnt lie.
Which one is correct?
Did he plead guilty to lying to the FBI under oath?
That is what you ought to get to say when you are framed on federal charges. I assure you that your light attitude will dissipate real quick.TWD 74 said:If Flynn is so concerned that his admission of lying was wrong and he didn't lie, he can refuse the pardon proffered by Trump. I'm sure Sidney would just love another 3 years to go round and round on this case.Carlos Safety said:LOL! That is not the statement that resulted in the charges. You really need the statement, if you can find it, because the charges will turn on the details, Flynn's knowledge, and whether any misstatements of fact were material.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
He plead guilty to lying to the FBI. He said he had lied about contacting a Russian ambassador.
If he didnt lie to the FBI he lied when he plead guilty.
If he did lie to the FBI, well. he lied.
Now, go read the statute and what the government has to prove to get a conviction. He did not violate the statute.