Oldbear83 said:
bubbadog said:
Oldbear83 said:
bubbadog said:
Oldbear83 said:
Get back to me with objective proof. Otherwise, you are just making yourselves look hysterical and malicious.
It is hardly hysterical to say that a story from a credible source with a serious claim merits further investigation to assess if the story is accurate.
If a US president was in fact a Russian asset, wittingly or unwittingly, would you regard that as no big deal?
If further investigation yielded "objective proof," would you accept it or dismiss it?
I see a whole lot of hypocrisy.
When Trump supporters said the election was 'stolen', the Left quite reasonably said 'let's see proof'.
Now you want to push - hard - a story we have heard for almost 5 years now, which never stood up to inspection.
I will not consider the accusation as even remotely worth attention without clear, objective evidence.
BS stories from Russians who troll our media does not remotely come close.
I thought it was clear from my posts that I wanted to see proof for the claim of this story -- which requires additional investigation by the media.
And, no, this is not the same story as the claim that the Trump campaign attempted to collude with the Russians) during the 2016 election campaign.
What I'm seeing from people here is that they won't consider any evidence at all.
There is a threshold to meet.
This, in my opinion, is far short of serious consideration,
That is not 'won't consider any evidence', it's rational skepticism, especially given the Left's behavior on this claim for so long.
And yes, for all practical purposes it's the same damn claim, just repackaged.
It's hardly the same claim that Mueller looked at, except that it involves Trump and Russia.
And on the general subject of Trump and Russia, as I pointed out, Republicans like Kevin McCarthy were the ones who voiced suspicions about the relationship before the 2016 campaign.
You gotta admit, quite a bit of smoke has been coming out of that house. For example:
Donald Jr. says their businesses get a lot of money from Russia, but the campaign denies they have Russian ties.
Don Jr. is eager to meet with Russians who say they have dirt on Hillary.
Pres. Trump praises Putin effusively, refuses to criticize him in public, and creates a scene in Helsinki that even many in his own party find embarrassing.
Trump refuses to allow anyone in his meeting with Putin but a translator and then makes sure there is no written or audio record of the meeting.
Trump gets involved in real estate deals in the Caucasus with shady characters with ties to Russian intelligence and with a record of money-laundering.
I could go on.
Republicans have been wiling to proclaim Joe Biden a corrupt dealer with Russia based on pigeon feed compared to the evidence that something is shady between Trump and the Russians. To look at all this smoke and not even suspect there might be a fire is not simply rational skepticism at work; after a while, it becomes a tacit admission that all the evidence in the world would make no difference to them.