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The problem is that we have poorly trained police officers. We have too many trigger happy cops. I am friends with several LEO's and almost everyone of them have claimed that most of the shootings that they hear about are because the officer wasn't properly trained in how to diffuse the situation. A traffic stop should not ever escalate to shooting the suspect, even if they are resisting arrest. Deadly force should only be used if they know that their lives are being threatened, not that they believe their lives might be threatened.

We haven't seen the body camera footage of the Minnesota incident, so we don't know the full extent of what happened.

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WacoKelly83 said:

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Officer involved shooting of a 21 year old black male in Brooklyn Center tonight. Watching on YouTube. Getting pretty wild.
https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/brooklyn-center-police-fatally-shoot-driver-during-traffic-stop-april-11-2021/6072013/

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/04/10/virginia-police-gunpoint-army-nazario/

How do you guys feel about this one?

Support the troops or back the blue?

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Did you watch the video?

The officers had zero evidence of the ethnicity of the driver (hispanic) and pulled him over because he had no visible plate on his dark tinted SUV. When they approached the vehicle, they could only see his hands (eventually), which were not of a shade to determine race or ethnicity with any certainty. The officers had no indication he was in the military, as the arm of his BDUs wasn't enough to indicate he was in the a uniform at all. The officer (another hispanic) tasered him only after the officers told him at least TWENTY-NINE (29) TIMES to get out of the car and his REFUSING to follow a lawful command. This was after they had to tell him 8 times to "put your hands out of the window" or "let me see your hands."

It is truly the stuff of pure ignorance to read this situation as anything other than something brought on by a person who considered himself above the law. People are making this particular story about race. It isn't, unless by that you mean that statistically the group of people LEAST compliant with law enforcement lawful orders are those MOST likely to be engaged with physical force. You can't pick and choose when you want to obey the law and not expect there to be real and tangible consequences for that.

There are instances of police overreach. When you find those, let's discuss those and fight them together. When you find them, let's fight them as precisely what they are and not more fantastical evidence of fictional 'systemic racism' or the like.

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Amazing what one person sees and what another sees. He's black and Hispanic btw

The guy was clearly military. Easy to see from the beginning.

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It's amazing what any person can see when that person watches video evidence with an objective, rather than a jaundiced, eye. It's amazing how viewing the world objectively makes fictional claims of racism evaporate back into the ether from whence they emerged.

If you are ok with making your above claims and don't feel the least bit concerned about your character, then I think we are done here. None of what you posted right there is true, save for how he identifies racially....which is, of course, the source of his lawsuit.

For those who haven't seen the video: It's not until he vocally claimed to be a "veteran" around the 2:00 mark in the video that it would even become likely. Count the lawful commands he received and disobeyed in between the police exiting the car and his first encounter with use of force. Look for his license plate on his SUV. Listen to the police radio regarding the felony traffic stop justifying the use of extreme caution. For all intents and purposes, that driver could have been a 90 yr old samoan grandmother or a set of red head 7yr old twin boys working the peddles and steering wheel in tandem until the 2:00 mark. Yet the claim (one you appear to want to bolster) is racism.

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Do you ever grow tired of your own self-rightfulness?

I swear, you have some sort of self-mandated quota on this board to referring to yourself as "objectionable".

Every.single.post.

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Well, he is dealing with one of the most easily triggered liberals on this website (and yes, I am referring to you).

BTW, what is self-rightfulness? Is it akin to self-righteousness?

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lol the auto-correct was a good one. Irony at its finest given my post; I'm 100% okay making fun of myself. You should check out the football and basketball boards sometime. I'm always bumping threads where I've made ****** predictions and posts.

Premise still applies however. Canon (and his other sock) spend more time on this board huffing and puffing about how they're always right and the only objectionable one here and ignoring any other counter-arguments. The self-awareness is nearly non-existent. It grows tiresome.

And no, far from being a liberal. In fact, I've only voted Democrat in probably three of the dozens of elections I've participated in. But go ahead and automatically default to the tribal politicism.

It seems to be the M.O. you and so many others on here seemingly can't get away from.

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You really really may want to consider proof reading your posts. Objectively, your repeated use of the word "objectionable" lacks a certain amount of objectivity and doesn't really achieve your objectives. You seem to be objectifying me as some objectivist. I object to that.

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Chamberman said:

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The problem is that we have poorly trained police officers. We have too many trigger happy cops. I am friends with several LEO's and almost everyone of them have claimed that most of the shootings that they hear about are because the officer wasn't properly trained in how to diffuse the situation. A traffic stop should not ever escalate to shooting the suspect, even if they are resisting arrest. Deadly force should only be used if they know that their lives are being threatened, not that they believe their lives might be threatened.

We haven't seen the body camera footage of the Minnesota incident, so we don't know the full extent of what happened.

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The US has about 800,000 active police officers. What percentage do you believe to be "trigger happy?"

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Chamberman said:

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The problem is that we have poorly trained police officers. We have too many trigger happy cops. I am friends with several LEO's and almost everyone of them have claimed that most of the shootings that they hear about are because the officer wasn't properly trained in how to diffuse the situation. A traffic stop should not ever escalate to shooting the suspect, even if they are resisting arrest. Deadly force should only be used if they know that their lives are being threatened, not that they believe their lives might be threatened.

We haven't seen the body camera footage of the Minnesota incident, so we don't know the full extent of what happened.

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If the cops would just wait to be shot at before defending themselves we wouldn't have a problem...right?

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Chamberman said:

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The problem is that we have poorly trained police officers. We have too many trigger happy cops. I am friends with several LEO's and almost everyone of them have claimed that most of the shootings that they hear about are because the officer wasn't properly trained in how to diffuse the situation. A traffic stop should not ever escalate to shooting the suspect, even if they are resisting arrest. Deadly force should only be used if they know that their lives are being threatened, not that they believe their lives might be threatened.

We haven't seen the body camera footage of the Minnesota incident, so we don't know the full extent of what happened.

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The US has about 800,000 active police officers. What percentage do you believe to be "trigger happy?"

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Most of the ones that have killed citizens when their lives aren't really in danger.

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There really is no excuse for what happened, it looked more like incompetence, than malice, but someone is still dead so that doesn't make it better.

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SIC EM 94 said:

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"They obviously did not mean to kill him, but they did."

Perhaps you should use "she" instead of "they"...there is only 1 individual here, other than the dead victim, that screwed up.

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The singular "they" is a generic third-person pronoun used in English. It's not the only third-person singular pronounother third-person singular pronouns are "she" and "he" as well as less common options

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"They obviously did not mean to kill him, but they did."

Perhaps you should use "she" instead of "they"...there is only 1 individual here, other than the dead victim, that screwed up.

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Fair enough.

Still not an improper use, I don't know her name.

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Chamberman said:

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The problem is that we have poorly trained police officers. We have too many trigger happy cops. I am friends with several LEO's and almost everyone of them have claimed that most of the shootings that they hear about are because the officer wasn't properly trained in how to diffuse the situation. A traffic stop should not ever escalate to shooting the suspect, even if they are resisting arrest. Deadly force should only be used if they know that their lives are being threatened, not that they believe their lives might be threatened.

We haven't seen the body camera footage of the Minnesota incident, so we don't know the full extent of what happened.

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The US has about 800,000 active police officers. What percentage do you believe to be "trigger happy?"

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Most of the ones that have killed citizens when their lives aren't really in danger.

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SIC EM 94 said:

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SIC EM 94 said:

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"They obviously did not mean to kill him, but they did."

Perhaps you should use "she" instead of "they"...there is only 1 individual here, other than the dead victim, that screwed up.

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Fair enough.

Still not an improper use, I don't know her name.

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My point is that the female officer made a horrific individual mistake that she will need to be held responsible for. When you said "they" I took that as you were claiming the other officers were complicit as well. You do agree the one officer is the individual responsible for his death correct?

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I havent really expressed an opinion either way. But the Virginia Attorney General and Governor disagree with you.

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Yes. I often disagree with politicians who dress in KKK attire, wear black face and justify literal infanticide. You might consider the men you are siding with in your appeal to authority. Not one, both of them.

I forgot to thank you for letting me know the driver was both hispanic and black. That you took the time to make sure that aspect of his features was prominent while ignoring the dozens of lawful orders he ignored, while virtually invisible to the police inside his blacked out SUV, suggests you are taking a side.

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Anyways, the cop that pepper sprayed the innocent man just got fired.

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I understand why you don't want to engage. You're getting owned on this thread.

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I've watched that video from beginning to end 3 times. The cop escalated the s*** out of that situation. He hated the fact that the driver was calm when the officer couldn't keep his s*** together. Glad a bad apple got what he deserved today.

Its a slightly better world now moving forward for the good cops out there. Hopefully these idiots can get caught more often, so that good cops can do their job correctly and get the respect they deserve.

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GrowlTowel said:

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Chamberman said:

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Chamberman said:

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The problem is that we have poorly trained police officers. We have too many trigger happy cops. I am friends with several LEO's and almost everyone of them have claimed that most of the shootings that they hear about are because the officer wasn't properly trained in how to diffuse the situation. A traffic stop should not ever escalate to shooting the suspect, even if they are resisting arrest. Deadly force should only be used if they know that their lives are being threatened, not that they believe their lives might be threatened.

We haven't seen the body camera footage of the Minnesota incident, so we don't know the full extent of what happened.

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The US has about 800,000 active police officers. What percentage do you believe to be "trigger happy?"

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Most of the ones that have killed citizens when their lives aren't really in danger.

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So an extremely small amount of trigger happy cops then.

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This statement from Biden is sickening! Does he really think that female officer intended to shoot him with her gun????

"The question is, was it an accident, was it intentional, that remains to be determined," Mr. Biden told reporters at the White House on Monday. "I think we got to wait and see what the investigation shows. The entire investigation."

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"This is murder. This is white supremacy. Who's going to stand up for our ancestors who built this land but are still kept down?" said Jonathan Mason, a community activist.

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