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I mean... yeah... no one who remains was a part of the issue... other than the entire BOR who was in place then and is still in place now, sans a couple of throw-in alumni elected regents... all of whom collectively make every major decision for the university... other than that entire room full of self-appointed & self-backfilled mostly male leaders... yes, other than that, we cleaned house.

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Not true. The BOR may ultimately be responsible for what happens at Baylor, but they did not make the decisions that got Baylor in trouble and the people who did are gone.

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Yessir. Hence the shared burden of responsibility for the management of the crisis due to non-management of employees and Title 9 specifically.

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The BOR didn't make the decisions required to keep Baylor out of trouble. Failed oversight of management.

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Exactly. That's why the PHR cited "institutional failures on governance and administration."

Yeah, the football team had problems, but HAD THERE BEEN ADMINISTRATIVE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT, we might not be having this conversation.

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TexasScientist said:

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drahthaar said:

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I mean... yeah... no one who remains was a part of the issue... other than the entire BOR who was in place then and is still in place now, sans a couple of throw-in alumni elected regents... all of whom collectively make every major decision for the university... other than that entire room full of self-appointed & self-backfilled mostly male leaders... yes, other than that, we cleaned house.

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Not true. The BOR may ultimately be responsible for what happens at Baylor, but they did not make the decisions that got Baylor in trouble and the people who did are gone.

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Yessir. Hence the shared burden of responsibility for the management of the crisis due to non-management of employees and Title 9 specifically.

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The BOR didn't make the decisions required to keep Baylor out of trouble. Failed oversight of management.

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Exactly. That's why the PHR cited "institutional failures on governance and administration."

Yeah, the football team had problems, but HAD THERE BEEN ADMINISTRATIVE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT, we might not be having this conversation.

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True. And if our crisis management hadn't looked like a bunch of preteens doing a Chinese fire drill we might not still be talking about it.

What is the motivation for BU dragging this out?

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What is the motivation for BU dragging this out?

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Saving face. Protecting those at the top (The BOR). We should all be ashamed about what Baylor has become, but most alums simply don't care. But by God, we have a spectacular Men's Basketball program! Shiny things tend to cover up the ugliness.

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What is the motivation for BU dragging this out?

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They hate Dunnam's guts.

Best for the university for this to have been done a long time ago.

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57Bear said:

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What is the motivation for BU dragging this out?

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They hate Dunnam's guts.

Best for the university for this to have been done a long time ago.

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Especially after he turned down an offer worth many times what the case will bring in court.

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whiterock said:

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TexasScientist said:

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drahthaar said:

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Greenbear said:

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saykay said:

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I mean... yeah... no one who remains was a part of the issue... other than the entire BOR who was in place then and is still in place now, sans a couple of throw-in alumni elected regents... all of whom collectively make every major decision for the university... other than that entire room full of self-appointed & self-backfilled mostly male leaders... yes, other than that, we cleaned house.

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Not true. The BOR may ultimately be responsible for what happens at Baylor, but they did not make the decisions that got Baylor in trouble and the people who did are gone.

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Yessir. Hence the shared burden of responsibility for the management of the crisis due to non-management of employees and Title 9 specifically.

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The BOR didn't make the decisions required to keep Baylor out of trouble. Failed oversight of management.

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Exactly. That's why the PHR cited "institutional failures on governance and administration."

Yeah, the football team had problems, but HAD THERE BEEN ADMINISTRATIVE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT, we might not be having this conversation.

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True. And if our crisis management hadn't looked like a bunch of preteens doing a Chinese fire drill we might not still be talking about it.

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Yep.

The BOR is responsible for oversight of the University, but they were not responsible for the individual actions that occurred. Their job after the football crisis was to clean it up. Their job was to address campus issues that honestly are campus issues everywhere, yet we must deal with our own house.

Briles - had his own discipline code and did not follow the university guidelines. If nothing else, he is responsible for poor leadership and caring more about winning games than bringing in the right players or disciplining them properly.

McCaw - turned his head on everything Briles was doing. He didn't provide the needed leadership to deal with issues prior to and after they came to light.

Starr didn't think Title IX was constitutional and never set up the office properly. He failed to lead well even though I believe he loved Baylor.

BOR - responsible for all of this...and cleaned house.

We have moved on as a university. Who has not? The media. Our enemies including OU and UT administrations who would like to destroy Baylor. The NCAA, who apparently can't find enough to punish us on, so they just continue to let it drag out. Attorney's for the plaintiff's who have yet to settle. The last two will eventually go away and we can only hope our leadership is now in a better place. I believe they are.

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The BOR is responsible for oversight of the University, but they were not responsible for the individual actions that occurred. Their job after the football crisis was to clean it up. Their job was to address campus issues that honestly are campus issues everywhere, yet we must deal with our own house.

Briles - had his own discipline code and did not follow the university guidelines. If nothing else, he is responsible for poor leadership and caring more about winning games than bringing in the right players or disciplining them properly.

McCaw - turned his head on everything Briles was doing. He didn't provide the needed leadership to deal with issues prior to and after they came to light.

Starr didn't think Title IX was constitutional and never set up the office properly. He failed to lead well even though I believe he loved Baylor.

BOR - responsible for all of this...and cleaned house.

We have moved on as a university. Who has not? The media. Our enemies including OU and UT administrations who would like to destroy Baylor. The NCAA, who apparently can't find enough to punish us on, so they just continue to let it drag out. Attorney's for the plaintiff's who have yet to settle. The last two will eventually go away and we can only hope our leadership is now in a better place. I believe they are.

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The BOR is responsible for oversight of the University, but they were not responsible for the individual actions that occurred. Their job after the football crisis was to clean it up. Their job was to address campus issues that honestly are campus issues everywhere, yet we must deal with our own house.

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The BOR is responsible for their failue to exercise oversight of management campus issues and the system for Title IX, before it reaches a crisis.

The BOR and the administration turned a blind eye to a sytemic campus wide problem that was not confined to the athletic department. The athletic department was high profile and an easy scapegoat to shift the focus. In the final analysis, how many football players were convicted of anything. One, who was acquited, as a practical matter lost his opportunity for a pro career. He should sue Baylor.

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What is the motivation for BU dragging this out?

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They hate Dunnam's guts.

Best for the university for this to have been done a long time ago.

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Especially after he turned down an offer worth many times what the case will bring in court.

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I'm sure that's true.

Dunnam probably also thinks that's not the true value of the case to Baylor.

He may well be correct there seeing that this thing makes legal headlines on a regular basis and re-stirs all of these sorts of conversations.

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The BOR is responsible for their failue to exercise oversight of management campus issues and the system for Title IX, before it reaches a crisis.

The BOR and the administration turned a blind eye to a sytemic campus wide problem that was not confined to the athletic department. The athletic department was high profile and an easy scapegoat to shift the focus. In the final analysis, how many football players were convicted of anything. One, who was acquited, as a practical matter lost his opportunity for a pro career. He should sue Baylor.

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Baylor BOR didn't create a campus wide issue of which you speak. My son was a Baylor student there and didn't believe the issue existed the way it was portrayed. College campuses have always been a hotbed of sexual activity, at Baylor and every other college campus. If you are insinuating that somehow things were worse on Baylor's campus than other schools, I would disagree and there is no evidence to back that up. Your opinion is fine, but don't pretend like your opinion is fact.

I don't think the athletic department is a scapegoat. I believe it was found out and the BOR did the responsible thing by cleaning house. You see this as a failure and I see this as a success. The NCAA isn't investigating Baylor's campus activities. Baylor didn't have to pony up millions to the Big 12 because of campus issues. The athletic department was a huge issue. Leaders did not do the right things and they were fired. We cleaned house.

There will always be Baylor people, like you, who want to hurt Baylor, not help. There is just a percentage of the population that love conspiracy theories. Baylor is a better place today than before the scandal. We are not done with it yet, but many eyes were opened along with a big check book to fix these issues. I don't think those who lead Baylor want to let this happen again. You do.

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TexasScientist said:

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The BOR is responsible for their failue to exercise oversight of management campus issues and the system for Title IX, before it reaches a crisis.

The BOR and the administration turned a blind eye to a sytemic campus wide problem that was not confined to the athletic department. The athletic department was high profile and an easy scapegoat to shift the focus. In the final analysis, how many football players were convicted of anything. One, who was acquited, as a practical matter lost his opportunity for a pro career. He should sue Baylor.

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Baylor BOR didn't create a campus wide issue of which you speak. My son was a Baylor student there and didn't believe the issue existed the way it was portrayed. College campuses have always been a hotbed of sexual activity, at Baylor and every other college campus. If you are insinuating that somehow things were worse on Baylor's campus than other schools, I would disagree and there is no evidence to back that up. Your opinion is fine, but don't pretend like your opinion is fact.

I don't think the athletic department is a scapegoat. I believe it was found out and the BOR did the responsible thing by cleaning house. You see this as a failure and I see this as a success. The NCAA isn't investigating Baylor's campus activities. Baylor didn't have to pony up millions to the Big 12 because of campus issues. The athletic department was a huge issue. Leaders did not do the right things and they were fired. We cleaned house.

There will always be Baylor people, like you, who want to hurt Baylor, not help. There is just a percentage of the population that love conspiracy theories. Baylor is a better place today than before the scandal. We are not done with it yet, but many eyes were opened along with a big check book to fix these issues. I don't think those who lead Baylor want to let this happen again. You do.

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So when the admin would state there was 0 sexual assaults each and every year, the BOR just thought that was correct? They were just as guilty of covering anything that happened up. More so than even Briles, who just told people to go to the police.

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The BOR is responsible for their failue to exercise oversight of management campus issues and the system for Title IX, before it reaches a crisis.

The BOR and the administration turned a blind eye to a sytemic campus wide problem that was not confined to the athletic department. The athletic department was high profile and an easy scapegoat to shift the focus. In the final analysis, how many football players were convicted of anything. One, who was acquited, as a practical matter lost his opportunity for a pro career. He should sue Baylor.

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Baylor BOR didn't create a campus wide issue of which you speak. My son was a Baylor student there and didn't believe the issue existed the way it was portrayed. College campuses have always been a hotbed of sexual activity, at Baylor and every other college campus. If you are insinuating that somehow things were worse on Baylor's campus than other schools, I would disagree and there is no evidence to back that up. Your opinion is fine, but don't pretend like your opinion is fact.

I don't think the athletic department is a scapegoat. I believe it was found out and the BOR did the responsible thing by cleaning house. You see this as a failure and I see this as a success. The NCAA isn't investigating Baylor's campus activities. Baylor didn't have to pony up millions to the Big 12 because of campus issues. The athletic department was a huge issue. Leaders did not do the right things and they were fired. We cleaned house.

There will always be Baylor people, like you, who want to hurt Baylor, not help. There is just a percentage of the population that love conspiracy theories. Baylor is a better place today than before the scandal. We are not done with it yet, but many eyes were opened along with a big check book to fix these issues. I don't think those who lead Baylor want to let this happen again. You do.

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what a (misinformed) drama queen!!

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Greenbear said:

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The BOR is responsible for their failue to exercise oversight of management campus issues and the system for Title IX, before it reaches a crisis.

The BOR and the administration turned a blind eye to a sytemic campus wide problem that was not confined to the athletic department. The athletic department was high profile and an easy scapegoat to shift the focus. In the final analysis, how many football players were convicted of anything. One, who was acquited, as a practical matter lost his opportunity for a pro career. He should sue Baylor.

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Baylor BOR didn't create a campus wide issue of which you speak. My son was a Baylor student there and didn't believe the issue existed the way it was portrayed. College campuses have always been a hotbed of sexual activity, at Baylor and every other college campus. If you are insinuating that somehow things were worse on Baylor's campus than other schools, I would disagree and there is no evidence to back that up. Your opinion is fine, but don't pretend like your opinion is fact.

I don't think the athletic department is a scapegoat. I believe it was found out and the BOR did the responsible thing by cleaning house. You see this as a failure and I see this as a success. The NCAA isn't investigating Baylor's campus activities. Baylor didn't have to pony up millions to the Big 12 because of campus issues. The athletic department was a huge issue. Leaders did not do the right things and they were fired. We cleaned house.

There will always be Baylor people, like you, who want to hurt Baylor, not help. There is just a percentage of the population that love conspiracy theories. Baylor is a better place today than before the scandal. We are not done with it yet, but many eyes were opened along with a big check book to fix these issues. I don't think those who lead Baylor want to let this happen again. You do.

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So when the admin would state there was 0 sexual assaults each and every year, the BOR just thought that was correct? They were just as guilty of covering anything that happened up. More so than even Briles, who just told people to go to the police.

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He also doesn't think the athletic dept was a scapegoat, when we smeared our own football program in the WSJ.

Like I said, 10% of the population are conspiracy theorists. Fire away. Nothing changes. Some people just have to believe someone else other than Oswald shot Kennedy.

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The BOR is responsible for their failue to exercise oversight of management campus issues and the system for Title IX, before it reaches a crisis.

The BOR and the administration turned a blind eye to a sytemic campus wide problem that was not confined to the athletic department. The athletic department was high profile and an easy scapegoat to shift the focus. In the final analysis, how many football players were convicted of anything. One, who was acquited, as a practical matter lost his opportunity for a pro career. He should sue Baylor.

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Baylor BOR didn't create a campus wide issue of which you speak. My son was a Baylor student there and didn't believe the issue existed the way it was portrayed. College campuses have always been a hotbed of sexual activity, at Baylor and every other college campus. If you are insinuating that somehow things were worse on Baylor's campus than other schools, I would disagree and there is no evidence to back that up. Your opinion is fine, but don't pretend like your opinion is fact.

Baylor's policy failure created the campus wid issue. I doubt your son would have been in a position to know what was happening, since Baylor was keeping those issues under wraps. Yes Baylor is a hotbed of sexual activity, which is why Baylor doesn't want the publicity that doesn't match its marketing image. My whole point has been Baylor is no worse than anywhere else, and anywhere else would not have overreacted the way the BOR did. My opinion is as much fact as yours.

I don't think the athletic department is a scapegoat. I believe it was found out and the BOR did the responsible thing by cleaning house. You see this as a failure and I see this as a success. The NCAA isn't investigating Baylor's campus activities. Baylor didn't have to pony up millions to the Big 12 because of campus issues. The athletic department was a huge issue. Leaders did not do the right things and they were fired. We cleaned house.

I disagree. Anywhere else, they would have addressed the legal problems, taken care of the victims. They would have taken the steps necessary to correct, comply and implement Title IX, including the athletic department, and moved on. The house cleaning, once it started, should not have stopped short of the BOR.

There will always be Baylor people, like you, who want to hurt Baylor, not help. There is just a percentage of the population that love conspiracy theories. Baylor is a better place today than before the scandal. We are not done with it yet, but many eyes were opened along with a big check book to fix these issues. I don't think those who lead Baylor want to let this happen again. You do.

Baylor hurt itself. I don't support conspiracy theories any more than you do. Baylor would be a better place if it had handled the 'scandal' properly, and likley less fixing expense from the big check book.

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Like I said, 10% of the population are conspiracy theorists. Fire away. Nothing changes. Some people just have to believe someone else other than Oswald shot Kennedy.

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There doesn't have to be a conspiracy for the BOR to fail. Just irresponsible actions and failure to act.

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Like I said, 10% of the population are conspiracy theorists. Fire away. Nothing changes. Some people just have to believe someone else other than Oswald shot Kennedy.

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Not a conspiracy. Just atrocious crisis management mixed in with relational and organizational dysfunction. And way more than 10% believe that.

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Like I said, 10% of the population are conspiracy theorists. Fire away. Nothing changes. Some people just have to believe someone else other than Oswald shot Kennedy.

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And some people like to paint others as nuts to hide inconvenient truths, even when those involved admit the manipulation. Like certain regents being disinvited from out-of-town strategy sessions because, '(you) won't like the direction we have decided to go..' You think people never get together and concoct schemes to make themselves look better and hide their own machinations and failures? You think firing one PR firm because they won't toe the line and hiring another one with personal ties who will do your bidding is reasonable transparency? You think, "Never put anything in writing to me!" is standard operating procedure for a university? It's your typical Baylor pollyanna attitude that allowed these governance issues to fester; the same attitude that allowed Reagan Ramsower to take the controls of the university; the same attitude that gets the people who really care about Baylor bent over again and again.

Malbec that is an excellent post. There are a lot of under-handed machinations that occurred in the BOR and Baylor Leadership people during the scandal that we will never know about.

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Malbec that is an excellent post. There are a lot of under-handed machinations that occurred in the BOR and Baylor Leadership people during the scandal that we will never know about.

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Yes, well stated.

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We have moved on as a university. Who has not? The media. Our enemies including OU and UT administrations who would like to destroy Baylor.

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Oh please! Our "enemies" haven't done half the damage our own BOR has done and continues to this day to insist on doing.

Not sure "admin" said that. I thought that came from the reporting mechanism at the time. The same one that most places were using that also showed at or near zero. Sexual assault on campus is not a Baylor problem and was not then either, rather, it is a huge issue on every college campus in North America.

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Not sure "admin" said that. I thought that came from the reporting mechanism at the time. The same one that most places were using that also showed at or near zero. Sexual assault on campus is not a Baylor problem and was not then either, rather, it is a huge issue on every college campus in North America.

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That would be a reason to assert the BOR overreacted.

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Not sure "admin" said that. I thought that came from the reporting mechanism at the time. The same one that most places were using that also showed at or near zero. Sexual assault on campus is not a Baylor problem and was not then either, rather, it is a huge issue on every college campus in North America.

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That would be a reason to assert the BOR overreacted.

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In what way? Are you asserting they should not have fired Art Briles?

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Not sure "admin" said that. I thought that came from the reporting mechanism at the time. The same one that most places were using that also showed at or near zero. Sexual assault on campus is not a Baylor problem and was not then either, rather, it is a huge issue on every college campus in North America.

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That would be a reason to assert the BOR overreacted.

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In what way? Are you asserting they should not have fired Art Briles?

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Based on the current info that we have, no he should not have.

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nein51 said:

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Not sure "admin" said that. I thought that came from the reporting mechanism at the time. The same one that most places were using that also showed at or near zero. Sexual assault on campus is not a Baylor problem and was not then either, rather, it is a huge issue on every college campus in North America.

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That would be a reason to assert the BOR overreacted.

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In what way? Are you asserting they should not have fired Art Briles?

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If sexual assault on campus was not a Baylor problem, then the BOR overreacted. They didn't have to fire Briles and throw him under the bus, for what was an administrative failure. Identify the problems, correct them, and move on. You should fire him if he cannot adhere to the new administrative and Title IX policies.

As found on the updated Wiki page for Brian Boland:

On September 10, 2024, U.S. District Judge Alan Albright ordered that all counts and claims against Boland be dismissed without prejudice.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Boland_(tennis)#cite_note-14][14][/url]

Official court document: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-txwd-6_21-cv-00491/pdf/USCOURTS-txwd-6_21-cv-00491-4.pdf

The allegations proved to be false!

Below is the letter from Boland's lawyer:

September 11, 2024 Brian Boland Via Email: brianbolandbtl@gmail.com 12820 Morrison Road Little Rock, AR 72212 Re: Case No. 6:21-cv-491-ADA-DTG; Bonnewitz v. Baylor University, et al; Western District of Texas NOTICE OF DISMISSAL Brian: As we discussed, the suit filed against you, Michael Woodson, and Baylor University in the Western District of Texas by Julie Bonnewitz was officially dismissed by Judge Albright yesterday, based upon the recommendation of Magistrate Judge Derek Gilliland. Ms. Bonnewitz had sued you, Mr. Woodson, and Baylor over her failed efforts to join the Baylor Women's Tennis Team, claiming that she was promised a tryout and a place on the team by the head women's coach. The Court dismissed the claims against Baylor and Mr. Woodson earlier this summer and then when Judge Gilliland's new clerk was reminded that we, on your behalf had filed an independent motion to dismiss, revisited things and now your case is dismissed.

To be clear, this dismissal did not come about because of any settlement on your behalf or any finding that you did anything wrong. The case is dismissed and there is nothing pending against you anymore. If anyone has any questions, they can reach out to me, and I will let them know there was never an adverse finding of any sort against you. Sincerely, PAKIS, GIOTES, BURLESON & DEACONSON, P.C. David N. Deaconson

Just a reminder that a total of 2 Baylor football players during this period were arrested and charged for this and that an FBS roster has 105 players. Whatever problems Baylor had with this issue during this period, Art Briles and his team was not the root cause.

David Deaconsen is a good man.