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HuMcK said:
I hear what you are saying, even though I strongly disagree with your characterization of the stories about Trump as "lies", but I think your message about unjust attacks on character would be better received if we weren't talking about the last holdout proponent of birtherism. I also think you are somewhat attributing cable news sensationalism to print media, which is far more credible.
Trump didn't even get treated as badly as he treated others. The Russia story wasn't made up, they legit caught his campaign manager coordinating with Russian intel and his son accepting offers of help from Russians. And then his next campaign manager (Bannon) was eventually arrested coming off the yacht of a Chinese billionaire before getting a pardon, but that's neither here not there.
He picked fights with the media as a deliberate strategy, so his supporters could dismiss reporting about him as biased "lies" or Fake News (tm). Sad thing is, it mostly worked.
What's really sad is you actually believe this.
And you still believe the Russia story was factual. Astonishing.
Do you understand that the two things he said about the Russia story actually did happen? As in they are 100% true facts?
Not illegal to meet with a foreign national. Remember the Mueller Commission after months of research and millions of dollars found no evidence of collusion.
Is that the standard we need to expect? It is not illegal?
And I remember there was no evidence of collusion. There was evidence of a willingness to collude; that the Trump campaign would accept any help the Russian government would give them. I don't care if that is illegal, it is wrong.
I remember that time when the clinton's paid for a dossier. written by a foreign national. that was fake.
Yeah, good times.
I remember when a Republican group financed the same dossier. Free Beacon? Fusion GPS?
I also remember reading the second half of the Mueller Report where obstruction of justice was painstakingly laid out. Sure, the evidence of collusion was lacking (although Stone got convicted and then pardoned for lying about it so we'll never know. But I love the way MAGABros just sail right past obstruction to focus on collusion. It's like cheering a jury verdict that acquits one charge and convicts on another as if it were a complete victory.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat