what are your thoughts on King's letter from a Birmingham jail? Was he, the peaceful (not mostly peaceful) protester wrong and you right in calling out white pastors.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice.
No they didn't. Unless, of course you don't mean justice, but instead 'social justice', which isn't justice at all. A pastor that preaches social justice isn't a Christian pastor.
LIB,MR BEARS said:what are your thoughts on King's letter from a Birmingham jail? Was he, the peaceful (not mostly peaceful) protester wrong and you right in calling out white pastors.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice.
No they didn't. Unless, of course you don't mean justice, but instead 'social justice', which isn't justice at all. A pastor that preaches social justice isn't a Christian pastor.
What many of y'all don't seem to understand is that there is plenty of blame to go around. I'm not saying our culture is crumbling because of white folks. I'm saying we all have some ownership in either the problem or the solution or both. I'm not saying you owe anyone 40 acres and a mule regardless of what side your ancestors fought for or if they fought, or bought, at all.
are you addressing King's letter or is this a general statement?Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:what are your thoughts on King's letter from a Birmingham jail? Was he, the peaceful (not mostly peaceful) protester wrong and you right in calling out white pastors.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice.
No they didn't. Unless, of course you don't mean justice, but instead 'social justice', which isn't justice at all. A pastor that preaches social justice isn't a Christian pastor.
What many of y'all don't seem to understand is that there is plenty of blame to go around. I'm not saying our culture is crumbling because of white folks. I'm saying we all have some ownership in either the problem or the solution or both. I'm not saying you owe anyone 40 acres and a mule regardless of what side your ancestors fought for or if they fought, or bought, at all.
One of the worst things to ever happen to the black led Christian church in America was the politicization of Christianity in the civil rights movement. Black churches have been used as political tools ever since.
The Christian church should stay out of ALL politics. All of it. With the possible exception of demanding government leave the church equally alone. There's simply no need to address politics when change is only ever truly made at an individual level.
Preachers who sell social justice or CRT or any other political dogma are not preaching the gospel. They are just second rate anti-Christian politicians who use church for their own political advantage.
LIB,MR BEARS said:are you addressing King's letter or is this a general statement?Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:what are your thoughts on King's letter from a Birmingham jail? Was he, the peaceful (not mostly peaceful) protester wrong and you right in calling out white pastors.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice.
No they didn't. Unless, of course you don't mean justice, but instead 'social justice', which isn't justice at all. A pastor that preaches social justice isn't a Christian pastor.
What many of y'all don't seem to understand is that there is plenty of blame to go around. I'm not saying our culture is crumbling because of white folks. I'm saying we all have some ownership in either the problem or the solution or both. I'm not saying you owe anyone 40 acres and a mule regardless of what side your ancestors fought for or if they fought, or bought, at all.
One of the worst things to ever happen to the black led Christian church in America was the politicization of Christianity in the civil rights movement. Black churches have been used as political tools ever since.
The Christian church should stay out of ALL politics. All of it. With the possible exception of demanding government leave the church equally alone. There's simply no need to address politics when change is only ever truly made at an individual level.
Preachers who sell social justice or CRT or any other political dogma are not preaching the gospel. They are just second rate anti-Christian politicians who use church for their own political advantage.
When political advocacy becomes their mainstay, I fully agree. That doesn't mean that they cannot call out injustice when it is seen.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:are you addressing King's letter or is this a general statement?Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:what are your thoughts on King's letter from a Birmingham jail? Was he, the peaceful (not mostly peaceful) protester wrong and you right in calling out white pastors.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice.
No they didn't. Unless, of course you don't mean justice, but instead 'social justice', which isn't justice at all. A pastor that preaches social justice isn't a Christian pastor.
What many of y'all don't seem to understand is that there is plenty of blame to go around. I'm not saying our culture is crumbling because of white folks. I'm saying we all have some ownership in either the problem or the solution or both. I'm not saying you owe anyone 40 acres and a mule regardless of what side your ancestors fought for or if they fought, or bought, at all.
One of the worst things to ever happen to the black led Christian church in America was the politicization of Christianity in the civil rights movement. Black churches have been used as political tools ever since.
The Christian church should stay out of ALL politics. All of it. With the possible exception of demanding government leave the church equally alone. There's simply no need to address politics when change is only ever truly made at an individual level.
Preachers who sell social justice or CRT or any other political dogma are not preaching the gospel. They are just second rate anti-Christian politicians who use church for their own political advantage.
I'm not addressing anything about King. Name for me one (non-state run) church that has ever gained in long term power/influence/membership by getting involved in politics. Show me a church that has saved more souls by engaging in political agitation. Churches that engage in social justice lose influence in the lives of individuals. They become useless as churches and fit only for political advocacy.
LIB,MR BEARS said:When political advocacy becomes their mainstay, I fully agree. That doesn't mean that they cannot call out injustice when it is seen.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:are you addressing King's letter or is this a general statement?Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:what are your thoughts on King's letter from a Birmingham jail? Was he, the peaceful (not mostly peaceful) protester wrong and you right in calling out white pastors.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice.
No they didn't. Unless, of course you don't mean justice, but instead 'social justice', which isn't justice at all. A pastor that preaches social justice isn't a Christian pastor.
What many of y'all don't seem to understand is that there is plenty of blame to go around. I'm not saying our culture is crumbling because of white folks. I'm saying we all have some ownership in either the problem or the solution or both. I'm not saying you owe anyone 40 acres and a mule regardless of what side your ancestors fought for or if they fought, or bought, at all.
One of the worst things to ever happen to the black led Christian church in America was the politicization of Christianity in the civil rights movement. Black churches have been used as political tools ever since.
The Christian church should stay out of ALL politics. All of it. With the possible exception of demanding government leave the church equally alone. There's simply no need to address politics when change is only ever truly made at an individual level.
Preachers who sell social justice or CRT or any other political dogma are not preaching the gospel. They are just second rate anti-Christian politicians who use church for their own political advantage.
I'm not addressing anything about King. Name for me one (non-state run) church that has ever gained in long term power/influence/membership by getting involved in politics. Show me a church that has saved more souls by engaging in political agitation. Churches that engage in social justice lose influence in the lives of individuals. They become useless as churches and fit only for political advocacy.
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Who served justice and God better; the rabbi, the Levite or the Samaritan?
thanks for making my point. If individuals did what this one did, victims wouldn't feel the need for the government to step in. The government did and, as always, overreached.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
Who served justice and God better; the rabbi, the Levite or the Samaritan?
Who worked in the name of contemporary government? Only one didn't. And he did his actions personally with no reference to any governing authority.
LIB,MR BEARS said:thanks for making my point. If individuals did what this one did, victims wouldn't feel the need for the government to step in. The government did and, as always, overreached.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
Who served justice and God better; the rabbi, the Levite or the Samaritan?
Who worked in the name of contemporary government? Only one didn't. And he did his actions personally with no reference to any governing authority.
What is a better place to teach of the Good Samaritan and it's current application than from the pulpit?
LIB,MR BEARS said:
I would go back and encourage everyone to read King's letter. Pick it apart-ALL OF IT. Apply it to today's world and you'll find where government is overreaching, businesses are overreaching, the culture (read CRT) is overreaching as are many others. Many of the comments here go way overboard. Those not overreaching are mostly sitting on there hands, just like many of the white Birmingham churches did.
Read the dang letter while matching your level of vitriol with the same level of introspection.
You don't like violent protest, you don't like peaceful protest. Got it. Thanks for the effort.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
I would go back and encourage everyone to read King's letter. Pick it apart-ALL OF IT. Apply it to today's world and you'll find where government is overreaching, businesses are overreaching, the culture (read CRT) is overreaching as are many others. Many of the comments here go way overboard. Those not overreaching are mostly sitting on there hands, just like many of the white Birmingham churches did.
Read the dang letter while matching your level of vitriol with the same level of introspection.
Stop your cultish ramblings. Your demigod was a no one to emulate.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7071713/FBI-tapes-Martin-Luther-King-Jr-40-affairs-laughed-friend-raped-parishioner.html
He used the church as a political tool and forever diminished it to a power brokering political action committee.
LIB,MR BEARS said:You don't like violent protest, you don't like peaceful protest. Got it. Thanks for the effort.Canon said:LIB,MR BEARS said:
I would go back and encourage everyone to read King's letter. Pick it apart-ALL OF IT. Apply it to today's world and you'll find where government is overreaching, businesses are overreaching, the culture (read CRT) is overreaching as are many others. Many of the comments here go way overboard. Those not overreaching are mostly sitting on there hands, just like many of the white Birmingham churches did.
Read the dang letter while matching your level of vitriol with the same level of introspection.
Stop your cultish ramblings. Your demigod was a no one to emulate.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7071713/FBI-tapes-Martin-Luther-King-Jr-40-affairs-laughed-friend-raped-parishioner.html
He used the church as a political tool and forever diminished it to a power brokering political action committee.
ps... is there anyone that you admire a portion of their character/efforts ? Are they a demigod for you? If not, why do you make that assumption about someone else.
When you don't let your ego get in the way, you typically post some wise stuff. When it does get in the way, like now, it overshadows anything intelligent you may have said. It seems it's always been that way, Golem.
Tap the brakes occasionally.
Redbrickbear said:Wherever the glorious celebratory rights of Juneteenth are celebrated....shots will be fired.muddybrazos said:I'm up in York county all the time. Most of that county is suburban Charlotte area and smaller town country. Hard to believe there was a shootout there.Redbrickbear said:
The tradition continues:
Great post.LIB,MR BEARS said:
Remember growing up with no male role model and the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street? Ya, me neither.
It's not racial, it's cultural and politicians, both black and white, saw an opportunity to gain power. Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice as much as they passed on preaching grace, mercy and service. Music/entertainment saw the quick buck even when it was on a moral ash heap.
It's not racial because in my business, I see young white kids and Hispanic kids living the exact same way.
Tens of thousands of police encounters happen every day with out black people getting killed.quash said:Redbrickbear said:Wherever the glorious celebratory rights of Juneteenth are celebrated....shots will be fired.muddybrazos said:I'm up in York county all the time. Most of that county is suburban Charlotte area and smaller town country. Hard to believe there was a shootout there.Redbrickbear said:
The tradition continues:
That is simply untrue. Hundreds of Juneteenth celebrations happened last weekend without shootings.
Yeah. It's called race-baiting.Redbrickbear said:Tens of thousands of police encounters happen every day with out black people getting killed.quash said:Redbrickbear said:Wherever the glorious celebratory rights of Juneteenth are celebrated....shots will be fired.muddybrazos said:I'm up in York county all the time. Most of that county is suburban Charlotte area and smaller town country. Hard to believe there was a shootout there.Redbrickbear said:
The tradition continues:
That is simply untrue. Hundreds of Juneteenth celebrations happened last weekend without shootings.
Didn't stop liberals and race activities from using a few incidents to condone race riots and $2 billion in property destruction.
Sam Lowry said:Yeah. It's called race-baiting.Redbrickbear said:Tens of thousands of police encounters happen every day with out black people getting killed.quash said:Redbrickbear said:Wherever the glorious celebratory rights of Juneteenth are celebrated....shots will be fired.muddybrazos said:I'm up in York county all the time. Most of that county is suburban Charlotte area and smaller town country. Hard to believe there was a shootout there.Redbrickbear said:
The tradition continues:
That is simply untrue. Hundreds of Juneteenth celebrations happened last weekend without shootings.
Didn't stop liberals and race activities from using a few incidents to condone race riots and $2 billion in property destruction.
That's my point.quash said:Sam Lowry said:Yeah. It's called race-baiting.Redbrickbear said:Tens of thousands of police encounters happen every day with out black people getting killed.quash said:Redbrickbear said:Wherever the glorious celebratory rights of Juneteenth are celebrated....shots will be fired.muddybrazos said:I'm up in York county all the time. Most of that county is suburban Charlotte area and smaller town country. Hard to believe there was a shootout there.Redbrickbear said:
The tradition continues:
That is simply untrue. Hundreds of Juneteenth celebrations happened last weekend without shootings.
Didn't stop liberals and race activities from using a few incidents to condone race riots and $2 billion in property destruction.
Not unlike the OP.
Queef, queef, queef. I'm a race realist.quash said:
Not unlike the OP.
CNN reported on the killings/shootingsSam Lowry said:Yeah. It's called race-baiting.Redbrickbear said:Tens of thousands of police encounters happen every day with out black people getting killed.quash said:Redbrickbear said:Wherever the glorious celebratory rights of Juneteenth are celebrated....shots will be fired.muddybrazos said:I'm up in York county all the time. Most of that county is suburban Charlotte area and smaller town country. Hard to believe there was a shootout there.Redbrickbear said:
The tradition continues:
That is simply untrue. Hundreds of Juneteenth celebrations happened last weekend without shootings.
Didn't stop liberals and race activities from using a few incidents to condone race riots and $2 billion in property destruction.
Read an article recently by a sociologist that pointed to the lack of two-parent households as the single greatest destructive trend in American history. The statistics show that there is a significant likelihood that those who come from single parent households are far more inclined to commit violent crime, and be impoverished. And what is interesting is that this is a fairly recent phenomena across all ethnic groups. It didn't used to be this way in the black community. It was pretty compelling.LIB,MR BEARS said:
Remember growing up with no male role model and the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street? Ya, me neither.
It's not racial, it's cultural and politicians, both black and white, saw an opportunity to gain power. Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice as much as they passed on preaching grace, mercy and service. Music/entertainment saw the quick buck even when it was on a moral ash heap.
It's not racial because in my business, I see young white kids and Hispanic kids living the exact same way.
Mothra said:Read an article recently by a sociologist that pointed to the lack of two-parent households as the single greatest destructive trend in American history. The statistics show that there is a significant likelihood that those who come from single parent households are far more inclined to commit violent crime, and be impoverished. And what is interesting is that this is a fairly recent phenomena across all ethnic groups. It didn't used to be this way in the black community. It was pretty compelling.LIB,MR BEARS said:
Remember growing up with no male role model and the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street? Ya, me neither.
It's not racial, it's cultural and politicians, both black and white, saw an opportunity to gain power. Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice as much as they passed on preaching grace, mercy and service. Music/entertainment saw the quick buck even when it was on a moral ash heap.
It's not racial because in my business, I see young white kids and Hispanic kids living the exact same way.
Unfortunately, we don't hear about many churches preaching on that topic nowdays. Divorce and out-of-wedlock births seem to be an accepted societal norm nowdays, and barely get any mention.
I don't keep up with what every church is preaching about. But I listen to dozens of podcasts of various churches, and I can't remember the last time I've heard a minister preach on these topics. It's called anecdotal evidence. I didn't suggest I am the preminent authority on the topic. Perhaps your experience has been different.quash said:Mothra said:Read an article recently by a sociologist that pointed to the lack of two-parent households as the single greatest destructive trend in American history. The statistics show that there is a significant likelihood that those who come from single parent households are far more inclined to commit violent crime, and be impoverished. And what is interesting is that this is a fairly recent phenomena across all ethnic groups. It didn't used to be this way in the black community. It was pretty compelling.LIB,MR BEARS said:
Remember growing up with no male role model and the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street? Ya, me neither.
It's not racial, it's cultural and politicians, both black and white, saw an opportunity to gain power. Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice as much as they passed on preaching grace, mercy and service. Music/entertainment saw the quick buck even when it was on a moral ash heap.
It's not racial because in my business, I see young white kids and Hispanic kids living the exact same way.
Unfortunately, we don't hear about many churches preaching on that topic nowdays. Divorce and out-of-wedlock births seem to be an accepted societal norm nowdays, and barely get any mention.
Serious question: how do you keep up with what other churches are preaching about?
for both pastors and fish it is always easier to go with the current. Heck, even a dead fish can go with the current. It takes some extra effort to go against the current.Mothra said:I don't keep up with what every church is preaching about. But I listen to dozens of podcasts of various churches, and I can't remember the last time I've heard a minister preach on these topics. It's called anecdotal evidence. I didn't suggest I am the preminent authority on the topic. Perhaps your experience has been different.quash said:Mothra said:Read an article recently by a sociologist that pointed to the lack of two-parent households as the single greatest destructive trend in American history. The statistics show that there is a significant likelihood that those who come from single parent households are far more inclined to commit violent crime, and be impoverished. And what is interesting is that this is a fairly recent phenomena across all ethnic groups. It didn't used to be this way in the black community. It was pretty compelling.LIB,MR BEARS said:
Remember growing up with no male role model and the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street? Ya, me neither.
It's not racial, it's cultural and politicians, both black and white, saw an opportunity to gain power. Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice as much as they passed on preaching grace, mercy and service. Music/entertainment saw the quick buck even when it was on a moral ash heap.
It's not racial because in my business, I see young white kids and Hispanic kids living the exact same way.
Unfortunately, we don't hear about many churches preaching on that topic nowdays. Divorce and out-of-wedlock births seem to be an accepted societal norm nowdays, and barely get any mention.
Serious question: how do you keep up with what other churches are preaching about?
Ironically, in that same time frame, I've heard numerous ministers preach on the topic of justice this last year.
Don't disagree, but we are called to be counter-cultural. Perhaps focusing on the problem of sin in this area would be a good idea, and perhaps even more productive than speaking out on social justice issues.LIB,MR BEARS said:for both pastors and fish it is always easier to go with the current. Heck, even a dead fish can go with the current. It takes some extra effort to go against the current.Mothra said:I don't keep up with what every church is preaching about. But I listen to dozens of podcasts of various churches, and I can't remember the last time I've heard a minister preach on these topics. It's called anecdotal evidence. I didn't suggest I am the preminent authority on the topic. Perhaps your experience has been different.quash said:Mothra said:Read an article recently by a sociologist that pointed to the lack of two-parent households as the single greatest destructive trend in American history. The statistics show that there is a significant likelihood that those who come from single parent households are far more inclined to commit violent crime, and be impoverished. And what is interesting is that this is a fairly recent phenomena across all ethnic groups. It didn't used to be this way in the black community. It was pretty compelling.LIB,MR BEARS said:
Remember growing up with no male role model and the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street? Ya, me neither.
It's not racial, it's cultural and politicians, both black and white, saw an opportunity to gain power. Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice as much as they passed on preaching grace, mercy and service. Music/entertainment saw the quick buck even when it was on a moral ash heap.
It's not racial because in my business, I see young white kids and Hispanic kids living the exact same way.
Unfortunately, we don't hear about many churches preaching on that topic nowdays. Divorce and out-of-wedlock births seem to be an accepted societal norm nowdays, and barely get any mention.
Serious question: how do you keep up with what other churches are preaching about?
Ironically, in that same time frame, I've heard numerous ministers preach on the topic of justice this last year.
how about preaching scripture and how it can apply today, such as the story of the Good Samaritan. Not bending over backwards to CRT while at the same time calling out sin.Mothra said:Don't disagree, but we are called to be counter-cultural. Perhaps focusing on the problem of sin in this area would be a good idea, and perhaps even more productive than speaking out on social justice issues.LIB,MR BEARS said:for both pastors and fish it is always easier to go with the current. Heck, even a dead fish can go with the current. It takes some extra effort to go against the current.Mothra said:I don't keep up with what every church is preaching about. But I listen to dozens of podcasts of various churches, and I can't remember the last time I've heard a minister preach on these topics. It's called anecdotal evidence. I didn't suggest I am the preminent authority on the topic. Perhaps your experience has been different.quash said:Mothra said:Read an article recently by a sociologist that pointed to the lack of two-parent households as the single greatest destructive trend in American history. The statistics show that there is a significant likelihood that those who come from single parent households are far more inclined to commit violent crime, and be impoverished. And what is interesting is that this is a fairly recent phenomena across all ethnic groups. It didn't used to be this way in the black community. It was pretty compelling.LIB,MR BEARS said:
Remember growing up with no male role model and the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street? Ya, me neither.
It's not racial, it's cultural and politicians, both black and white, saw an opportunity to gain power. Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice as much as they passed on preaching grace, mercy and service. Music/entertainment saw the quick buck even when it was on a moral ash heap.
It's not racial because in my business, I see young white kids and Hispanic kids living the exact same way.
Unfortunately, we don't hear about many churches preaching on that topic nowdays. Divorce and out-of-wedlock births seem to be an accepted societal norm nowdays, and barely get any mention.
Serious question: how do you keep up with what other churches are preaching about?
Ironically, in that same time frame, I've heard numerous ministers preach on the topic of justice this last year.
Focusing on the problem of sin in this area IS preaching scripture and how it can apply today. I am not suggesting preaching that exclusively, if that is what you took away from my post.LIB,MR BEARS said:how about preaching scripture and how it can apply today, such as the story of the Good Samaritan. Not bending over backwards to CRT while at the same time calling out sin.Mothra said:Don't disagree, but we are called to be counter-cultural. Perhaps focusing on the problem of sin in this area would be a good idea, and perhaps even more productive than speaking out on social justice issues.LIB,MR BEARS said:for both pastors and fish it is always easier to go with the current. Heck, even a dead fish can go with the current. It takes some extra effort to go against the current.Mothra said:I don't keep up with what every church is preaching about. But I listen to dozens of podcasts of various churches, and I can't remember the last time I've heard a minister preach on these topics. It's called anecdotal evidence. I didn't suggest I am the preminent authority on the topic. Perhaps your experience has been different.quash said:Mothra said:Read an article recently by a sociologist that pointed to the lack of two-parent households as the single greatest destructive trend in American history. The statistics show that there is a significant likelihood that those who come from single parent households are far more inclined to commit violent crime, and be impoverished. And what is interesting is that this is a fairly recent phenomena across all ethnic groups. It didn't used to be this way in the black community. It was pretty compelling.LIB,MR BEARS said:
Remember growing up with no male role model and the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street? Ya, me neither.
It's not racial, it's cultural and politicians, both black and white, saw an opportunity to gain power. Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice as much as they passed on preaching grace, mercy and service. Music/entertainment saw the quick buck even when it was on a moral ash heap.
It's not racial because in my business, I see young white kids and Hispanic kids living the exact same way.
Unfortunately, we don't hear about many churches preaching on that topic nowdays. Divorce and out-of-wedlock births seem to be an accepted societal norm nowdays, and barely get any mention.
Serious question: how do you keep up with what other churches are preaching about?
Ironically, in that same time frame, I've heard numerous ministers preach on the topic of justice this last year.
The word "social" needs to be dropped from "social justice ". We should all want to see justice unless we are benefiting from injustice.
cool. My bad.Mothra said:Focusing on the problem of sin in this area IS preaching scripture and how it can apply today. I am not suggesting preaching that exclusively, if that is what you took away from my post.LIB,MR BEARS said:how about preaching scripture and how it can apply today, such as the story of the Good Samaritan. Not bending over backwards to CRT while at the same time calling out sin.Mothra said:Don't disagree, but we are called to be counter-cultural. Perhaps focusing on the problem of sin in this area would be a good idea, and perhaps even more productive than speaking out on social justice issues.LIB,MR BEARS said:for both pastors and fish it is always easier to go with the current. Heck, even a dead fish can go with the current. It takes some extra effort to go against the current.Mothra said:I don't keep up with what every church is preaching about. But I listen to dozens of podcasts of various churches, and I can't remember the last time I've heard a minister preach on these topics. It's called anecdotal evidence. I didn't suggest I am the preminent authority on the topic. Perhaps your experience has been different.quash said:Mothra said:Read an article recently by a sociologist that pointed to the lack of two-parent households as the single greatest destructive trend in American history. The statistics show that there is a significant likelihood that those who come from single parent households are far more inclined to commit violent crime, and be impoverished. And what is interesting is that this is a fairly recent phenomena across all ethnic groups. It didn't used to be this way in the black community. It was pretty compelling.LIB,MR BEARS said:
Remember growing up with no male role model and the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street? Ya, me neither.
It's not racial, it's cultural and politicians, both black and white, saw an opportunity to gain power. Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice as much as they passed on preaching grace, mercy and service. Music/entertainment saw the quick buck even when it was on a moral ash heap.
It's not racial because in my business, I see young white kids and Hispanic kids living the exact same way.
Unfortunately, we don't hear about many churches preaching on that topic nowdays. Divorce and out-of-wedlock births seem to be an accepted societal norm nowdays, and barely get any mention.
Serious question: how do you keep up with what other churches are preaching about?
Ironically, in that same time frame, I've heard numerous ministers preach on the topic of justice this last year.
The word "social" needs to be dropped from "social justice ". We should all want to see justice unless we are benefiting from injustice.
I don't disagree with anything you said.
Mothra said:I don't keep up with what every church is preaching about. But I listen to dozens of podcasts of various churches, and I can't remember the last time I've heard a minister preach on these topics. It's called anecdotal evidence. I didn't suggest I am the preminent authority on the topic. Perhaps your experience has been different.quash said:Mothra said:Read an article recently by a sociologist that pointed to the lack of two-parent households as the single greatest destructive trend in American history. The statistics show that there is a significant likelihood that those who come from single parent households are far more inclined to commit violent crime, and be impoverished. And what is interesting is that this is a fairly recent phenomena across all ethnic groups. It didn't used to be this way in the black community. It was pretty compelling.LIB,MR BEARS said:
Remember growing up with no male role model and the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street? Ya, me neither.
It's not racial, it's cultural and politicians, both black and white, saw an opportunity to gain power. Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice as much as they passed on preaching grace, mercy and service. Music/entertainment saw the quick buck even when it was on a moral ash heap.
It's not racial because in my business, I see young white kids and Hispanic kids living the exact same way.
Unfortunately, we don't hear about many churches preaching on that topic nowdays. Divorce and out-of-wedlock births seem to be an accepted societal norm nowdays, and barely get any mention.
Serious question: how do you keep up with what other churches are preaching about?
Ironically, in that same time frame, I've heard numerous ministers preach on the topic of justice this last year.
Quality. Will read again.LIB,MR BEARS said:As a result of you last sentence I now know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that my wife doesn't post under the tag "Mothra".Mothra said:Focusing on the problem of sin in this area IS preaching scripture and how it can apply today. I am not suggesting preaching that exclusively, if that is what you took away from my post.LIB,MR BEARS said:how about preaching scripture and how it can apply today, such as the story of the Good Samaritan. Not bending over backwards to CRT while at the same time calling out sin.Mothra said:Don't disagree, but we are called to be counter-cultural. Perhaps focusing on the problem of sin in this area would be a good idea, and perhaps even more productive than speaking out on social justice issues.LIB,MR BEARS said:for both pastors and fish it is always easier to go with the current. Heck, even a dead fish can go with the current. It takes some extra effort to go against the current.Mothra said:I don't keep up with what every church is preaching about. But I listen to dozens of podcasts of various churches, and I can't remember the last time I've heard a minister preach on these topics. It's called anecdotal evidence. I didn't suggest I am the preminent authority on the topic. Perhaps your experience has been different.quash said:Mothra said:Read an article recently by a sociologist that pointed to the lack of two-parent households as the single greatest destructive trend in American history. The statistics show that there is a significant likelihood that those who come from single parent households are far more inclined to commit violent crime, and be impoverished. And what is interesting is that this is a fairly recent phenomena across all ethnic groups. It didn't used to be this way in the black community. It was pretty compelling.LIB,MR BEARS said:
Remember growing up with no male role model and the Planned Parenthood clinic down the street? Ya, me neither.
It's not racial, it's cultural and politicians, both black and white, saw an opportunity to gain power. Pastors, both black and white passed on the opportunity to preach justice as much as they passed on preaching grace, mercy and service. Music/entertainment saw the quick buck even when it was on a moral ash heap.
It's not racial because in my business, I see young white kids and Hispanic kids living the exact same way.
Unfortunately, we don't hear about many churches preaching on that topic nowdays. Divorce and out-of-wedlock births seem to be an accepted societal norm nowdays, and barely get any mention.
Serious question: how do you keep up with what other churches are preaching about?
Ironically, in that same time frame, I've heard numerous ministers preach on the topic of justice this last year.
The word "social" needs to be dropped from "social justice ". We should all want to see justice unless we are benefiting from injustice.
I don't disagree with anything you said.
