For unvaccinated, coronavirus is soaring again

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The country's summer of freedom from covid-19 is turning savage for the half of the nation that is still not fully vaccinated.
Coronavirus cases are increasing almost exclusively in the unprotected population. So The Washington Post adjusted its case, death and hospitalization rates to account for that and found that in many places, the virus continues to rage among those who have not received a shot.

Unvaccinated people are being hit hardest where the more contagious, more powerful delta variant is dominating.

"With the arrival of delta, we will have two very different epidemics one a mild cold in vaccinated individuals, and then we continue to have deadly infections in unvaccinated individuals," said William Powderly, an infectious-disease specialist and director of the Institute for Public Health at Washington University in St. Louis.
"The people who need to come to hospital, who end up in the intensive care unit, and the people who die are almost exclusively unvaccinated individuals," he said, noting that his hospital has three times the covid-19 patients it had in late June.

"That's just indicative of the more virulent quality of the delta variant," Williams said. "It will make people sick, even people that are young and would not have felt any consequence from the original wild variant."

Frighteningly, he said, far more children are being hospitalized, which was very rare until recently. As of mid-July, a dozen children were in Arkansas Children's Hospital, he said, and two were on ventilators.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/unvaccinated-case-rate-delta-surge/

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404 total deaths from Covid for the 0-18 age group. But gotta keep the fear alive at least until November of 2022.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

404 total deaths from Covid for the 0-18 age group. But gotta keep the fear alive at least until November of 2022.

RD2, had you rather the Public Health agencies keep this information hidden? I don't see these articles invoking fear as much as simply informing the public of the current situation with this health issue.I believe that's part of their job description. We can all form our own opinions based on reliable data. Now, it's another topic altogether on reliability..
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I wish they would also give us the age and comorbities of the hospitalized children in these articles.
Bexar Pitts
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Jacques Strap said:

I wish they would also give us the age and comorbities of the hospitalized children in these articles.
Yep...not sure where HIPAA boundaries run..
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How much do you get paid to post this **** digwad?

How do you benefit from these lies attacking 60+% of this country smart enough to not risk their lives taking an experimental drug?
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Florda_mike said:

How much do you get paid to post this **** digwad?

How do you benefit from these lies attacking 60+% of this country smart enough to not risk their lives taking an experimental drug?


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Florda_mike said:

How much do you get paid to post this **** digwad?

How do you benefit from these lies attacking 60+% of this country smart enough to not risk their lives taking an experimental drug?

Are you disputing facts? It's not attacking anyone to post facts, though if facts are offensive to anyone, I guess it would be you.
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Osodecentx said:

Florda_mike said:

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Bexar Pitts said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

404 total deaths from Covid for the 0-18 age group. But gotta keep the fear alive at least until November of 2022.

RD2, had you rather the Public Health agencies keep this information hidden? I don't see these articles invoking fear as much as simply informing the public of the current situation with this health issue.I believe that's part of their job description. We can all form our own opinions based on reliable data. Now, it's another topic altogether on reliability..
This is just another article of many pitting the vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated. Most of the commentary is subjective and not based on data or science. Our so-called Public Health agencies have not been honest with us for about sixteen months. The trust is gone and continues to deteriorate.
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to **** things up!"

-- Barack Obama
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Please don't let this interfere with Fall football. I wonder what percentage of our team is vaxxed?

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Florda_mike said:

How much do you get paid to post this **** digwad?

How do you benefit from these lies attacking 60+% of this country smart enough to not risk their lives taking an experimental drug?


Actually 56% of the country has received at least 1 shot. 50% has received 2 shots. So only 44% of the country is "smart enough", 22% of which are children that can't receive it.

So 29% of adults have not received at least 1 jab.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Bexar Pitts said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

404 total deaths from Covid for the 0-18 age group. But gotta keep the fear alive at least until November of 2022.

RD2, had you rather the Public Health agencies keep this information hidden? I don't see these articles invoking fear as much as simply informing the public of the current situation with this health issue.I believe that's part of their job description. We can all form our own opinions based on reliable data. Now, it's another topic altogether on reliability..
This is just another article of many pitting the vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated. Most of the commentary is subjective and not based on data or science. Our so-called Public Health agencies have not been honest with us for about sixteen months. The trust is gone and continues to deteriorate.
"The trust is gone and continues to deteriorate." I think that's the case for many millions of Americans. Trust is so fragile..doesn't take much to dissolve it..After the last few years, it's even harder to keep..This Delta bug is amazingly contagious..but it's also quick to "burn through" a populace...world data is proving that..If one lives a normal life outside the home, looks like they are gonna get exposed..Appears to all be a question of severity of each individual's case..Being an options trader that deals with probabilities daily, I simply believe a vaccine gives me the best probability of having no more than a garden variety cold or not spreading the bug to someone that's more vulnerable to a bad outcome. I have no real animosity to those who don't get the shot(s)..It's their life...and they will have to deal with the ultimate consequences of their own actions..or inaction..
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Didn't we just have another thread that the OP started where a state health agency reported 4 out 5 hospitalized COVID patients were vaccinated?
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Florda_mike said:

Osodecentx said:

Florda_mike said:

How much do you get paid to post this **** digwad?

How do you benefit from these lies attacking 60+% of this country smart enough to not risk their lives taking an experimental drug?


Satisfaction of posting reliable information


Sure you do, Mr Paid(somehow) To Post Misinformation

You'd be peed at my accusations if I was accusing you falsely

Will remember you
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Malbec said:

Didn't we just have another thread that the OP started where a state health agency reported 4 out 5 hospitalized COVID patients were vaccinated?
Malbec, I think the situation you're referencing was in Provincetown, MA...3/4 of the infections were reported to be in vaccinated people..I think I read only 4 vaccinated people were hospitalized...some with comorbidity issues..I'll try and find an article ( hopefully reliable) on this. Here's a recent update... https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/provincetown-covid-outbreak-vaccinated/
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Florda_mike said:

Osodecentx said:

Florda_mike said:

How much do you get paid to post this **** digwad?

How do you benefit from these lies attacking 60+% of this country smart enough to not risk their lives taking an experimental drug?


Satisfaction of posting reliable information


Sure you do, Mr Paid(somehow) To Post Misinformation

You'd be peed at my accusations if I was accusing you falsely

Will remember you
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"peed"? Nah. You've been on ignore, so I seldom get to read your posts
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Malbec said:

Didn't we just have another thread that the OP started where a state health agency reported 4 out 5 hospitalized COVID patients were vaccinated?
Not exactly. 79% of those who turned up positive had been vaccinated, but few of those were hospitalized

I conclude this means you may contract the Delta variant even if vaccinated, but your chances of it being serious are low
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Osodecentx said:

Malbec said:

Didn't we just have another thread that the OP started where a state health agency reported 4 out 5 hospitalized COVID patients were vaccinated?
Not exactly. 79% of those who turned up positive had been vaccinated, but few of those were hospitalized

I conclude this means you may contract the Delta variant even if vaccinated, but your chances of it being serious are low
That is consistent with what is going on in Israel. Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness
  • Pfizer and BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country's Health Ministry.
  • The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data.

While the first bullet point is disappointing, I sure hope the second bullet point holds steady.
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https://news.yahoo.com/people-missouri-wearing-disguises-vaccinated-220338718.html

People in Missouri are wearing disguises to get vaccinated, doctor says

Quote:

A doctor in Missouri says some patients have worn disguises to their vaccinations to avoid letting people know they got the shot.
"I've had several people come in to get vaccinated who have sort of tried to disguise their appearance and even went so far as to say, 'Please, please, please don't let anybody know that I got this vaccine. I don't want my friends to know,'" Dr Priscilla Frase told ABC News.

Dr Frase is an internist at Ozarks Medical Centre in West Plains, Missouri. That state, along with Arkansas, has become the epicentre of the United States' latest wave of the coronavirus, which is wreaking havoc on regions with low vaccination rates.



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Bexar Pitts said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Bexar Pitts said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

404 total deaths from Covid for the 0-18 age group. But gotta keep the fear alive at least until November of 2022.

RD2, had you rather the Public Health agencies keep this information hidden? I don't see these articles invoking fear as much as simply informing the public of the current situation with this health issue.I believe that's part of their job description. We can all form our own opinions based on reliable data. Now, it's another topic altogether on reliability..
This is just another article of many pitting the vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated. Most of the commentary is subjective and not based on data or science. Our so-called Public Health agencies have not been honest with us for about sixteen months. The trust is gone and continues to deteriorate.
"The trust is gone and continues to deteriorate." I think that's the case for many millions of Americans. Trust is so fragile..doesn't take much to dissolve it..After the last few years, it's even harder to keep..This Delta bug is amazingly contagious..but it's also quick to "burn through" a populace...world data is proving that..If one lives a normal life outside the home, looks like they are gonna get exposed..Appears to all be a question of severity of each individual's case..Being an options trader that deals with probabilities daily, I simply believe a vaccine gives me the best probability of having no more than a garden variety cold or not spreading the bug to someone that's more vulnerable to a bad outcome. I have no real animosity to those who don't get the shot(s)..It's their life...and they will have to deal with the ultimate consequences of their own actions..or inaction..


I respect that position. I have the same attitude, though having a vaccine injured child I've come to the opposite conclusion - the best probability of a good outcome is taking my chances on a bug that has a .04% chance of killing me. I prefer that over an experimental vaccine with no studies on long term side effects. I've got no animosity toward those who got the shots. It's their life and they will have to deal with the ultimate consequences of their actions and potential life altering consequences.
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Jacques Strap said:

Osodecentx said:

Malbec said:

Didn't we just have another thread that the OP started where a state health agency reported 4 out 5 hospitalized COVID patients were vaccinated?
Not exactly. 79% of those who turned up positive had been vaccinated, but few of those were hospitalized

I conclude this means you may contract the Delta variant even if vaccinated, but your chances of it being serious are low
That is consistent with what is going on in Israel. Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness
  • Pfizer and BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country's Health Ministry.
  • The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data.

While the first bullet point is disappointing, I sure hope the second bullet point holds steady.
Bullet point number two seems kind of out-of-whack. Why would somebody be hospitalized for COVID if they weren't experiencing a serious illness?
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Mothra said:

Bexar Pitts said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Bexar Pitts said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

404 total deaths from Covid for the 0-18 age group. But gotta keep the fear alive at least until November of 2022.

RD2, had you rather the Public Health agencies keep this information hidden? I don't see these articles invoking fear as much as simply informing the public of the current situation with this health issue.I believe that's part of their job description. We can all form our own opinions based on reliable data. Now, it's another topic altogether on reliability..
This is just another article of many pitting the vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated. Most of the commentary is subjective and not based on data or science. Our so-called Public Health agencies have not been honest with us for about sixteen months. The trust is gone and continues to deteriorate.
"The trust is gone and continues to deteriorate." I think that's the case for many millions of Americans. Trust is so fragile..doesn't take much to dissolve it..After the last few years, it's even harder to keep..This Delta bug is amazingly contagious..but it's also quick to "burn through" a populace...world data is proving that..If one lives a normal life outside the home, looks like they are gonna get exposed..Appears to all be a question of severity of each individual's case..Being an options trader that deals with probabilities daily, I simply believe a vaccine gives me the best probability of having no more than a garden variety cold or not spreading the bug to someone that's more vulnerable to a bad outcome. I have no real animosity to those who don't get the shot(s)..It's their life...and they will have to deal with the ultimate consequences of their own actions..or inaction..


I respect that position. I have the same attitude, though having a vaccine injured child I've come to the opposite conclusion - the best probability of a good outcome is taking my chances on a bug that has a .04% chance of killing me. I prefer that over an experimental vaccine with no studies on long term side effects. I've got no animosity toward those who got the shots. It's their life and they will have to deal with the ultimate consequences of their actions and potential life altering consequences.
And I respect yours. I wish only the best for you and your family..May God bless and watch over you.
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Malbec said:

Jacques Strap said:

Osodecentx said:

Malbec said:

Didn't we just have another thread that the OP started where a state health agency reported 4 out 5 hospitalized COVID patients were vaccinated?
Not exactly. 79% of those who turned up positive had been vaccinated, but few of those were hospitalized

I conclude this means you may contract the Delta variant even if vaccinated, but your chances of it being serious are low
That is consistent with what is going on in Israel. Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness
  • Pfizer and BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country's Health Ministry.
  • The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data.

While the first bullet point is disappointing, I sure hope the second bullet point holds steady.
Bullet point number two seems kind of out-of-whack. Why would somebody be hospitalized for COVID if they weren't experiencing a serious illness?
I think they are saying 12% of the vaccinated who test positive wind up in the hospital. A subset of the 12% is the 9% group who are vaxxed are "severe" cases. Anyway that is how I read it. I'd bet those 12% include a lot of the very old and the very sick with multiple comorbidities. Not sure about being in the hospital but not severe. Maybe ICU = severe?

Also the numbers may be skewed a little. For example, I wonder how many people in the hospital went there for say a knee replacement and they tested positive for COVID. Their symptoms may not be bad, but they are in the hospital and they have COVID so they are in the count.
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Florda_mike said:

Osodecentx said:

Florda_mike said:

How much do you get paid to post this **** digwad?

How do you benefit from these lies attacking 60+% of this country smart enough to not risk their lives taking an experimental drug?


Satisfaction of posting reliable information


Sure you do, Mr Paid(somehow) To Post Misinformation

You'd be peed at my accusations if I was accusing you falsely

Will remember you


So are the spreadnecks in the Florida panhandle?
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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quash said:

Florda_mike said:

Osodecentx said:

Florda_mike said:

How much do you get paid to post this **** digwad?

How do you benefit from these lies attacking 60+% of this country smart enough to not risk their lives taking an experimental drug?


Satisfaction of posting reliable information


Sure you do, Mr Paid(somehow) To Post Misinformation

You'd be peed at my accusations if I was accusing you falsely

Will remember you


So are the spreadnecks in the Florida panhandle?

Be careful. He will remember you
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Malbec said:

Jacques Strap said:

Osodecentx said:

Malbec said:

Didn't we just have another thread that the OP started where a state health agency reported 4 out 5 hospitalized COVID patients were vaccinated?
Not exactly. 79% of those who turned up positive had been vaccinated, but few of those were hospitalized

I conclude this means you may contract the Delta variant even if vaccinated, but your chances of it being serious are low
That is consistent with what is going on in Israel. Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness
  • Pfizer and BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country's Health Ministry.
  • The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data.

While the first bullet point is disappointing, I sure hope the second bullet point holds steady.
Bullet point number two seems kind of out-of-whack. Why would somebody be hospitalized for COVID if they weren't experiencing a serious illness?


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Few, like you, have gift of reading between lines

Thanks for your gift in this case
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Mothra said:

Bexar Pitts said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Bexar Pitts said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

404 total deaths from Covid for the 0-18 age group. But gotta keep the fear alive at least until November of 2022.

RD2, had you rather the Public Health agencies keep this information hidden? I don't see these articles invoking fear as much as simply informing the public of the current situation with this health issue.I believe that's part of their job description. We can all form our own opinions based on reliable data. Now, it's another topic altogether on reliability..
This is just another article of many pitting the vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated. Most of the commentary is subjective and not based on data or science. Our so-called Public Health agencies have not been honest with us for about sixteen months. The trust is gone and continues to deteriorate.
"The trust is gone and continues to deteriorate." I think that's the case for many millions of Americans. Trust is so fragile..doesn't take much to dissolve it..After the last few years, it's even harder to keep..This Delta bug is amazingly contagious..but it's also quick to "burn through" a populace...world data is proving that..If one lives a normal life outside the home, looks like they are gonna get exposed..Appears to all be a question of severity of each individual's case..Being an options trader that deals with probabilities daily, I simply believe a vaccine gives me the best probability of having no more than a garden variety cold or not spreading the bug to someone that's more vulnerable to a bad outcome. I have no real animosity to those who don't get the shot(s)..It's their life...and they will have to deal with the ultimate consequences of their own actions..or inaction..


I respect that position. I have the same attitude, though having a vaccine injured child I've come to the opposite conclusion - the best probability of a good outcome is taking my chances on a bug that has a .04% chance of killing me. I prefer that over an experimental vaccine with no studies on long term side effects. I've got no animosity toward those who got the shots. It's their life and they will have to deal with the ultimate consequences of their actions and potential life altering consequences.


I know 2 other parents of "vaccine injured children"(autism both)

Both are riding this vaccine out with strong opinions there's no way they're taking it
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Some more info on Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021 if anyone cares

CDC: Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021

By July 26, a total of 469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents; dates of positive specimen collection ranged from July 6 through July 25 (Figure 1). Most cases occurred in males (85%); median age was 40 years (range = <176 years). Nearly one half (199; 42%) reported residence in the town in Barnstable County. Overall, 346 (74%) persons with COVID-19 reported symptoms consistent with COVID-19.** Five were hospitalized; as of July 27, no deaths were reported. One hospitalized patient (age range = 5059 years) was not vaccinated and had multiple underlying medical conditions. Four additional, fully vaccinated patients aged 2070 years were also hospitalized, two of whom had underlying medical conditions. Initial genomic sequencing of specimens from 133 patients identified the Delta variant in 119 (89%) cases and the Delta AY.3 sublineage in one (1%) case; genomic sequencing was not successful for 13 (10%) specimens.

Among the 469 cases in Massachusetts residents, 346 (74%) occurred in persons who were fully vaccinated; of these, 301 (87%) were male, with a median age of 42 years. Vaccine products received by persons experiencing breakthrough infections were Pfizer-BioNTech (159; 46%), Moderna (131; 38%), and Janssen (56; 16%); among fully vaccinated persons in the Massachusetts general population, 56% had received Pfizer-BioNTech, 38% had received Moderna, and 7% had received Janssen vaccine products.
Among persons with breakthrough infection, 274 (79%) reported signs or symptoms, with the most common being cough, headache, sore throat, myalgia, and fever. Among fully vaccinated symptomatic persons, the median interval from completion of 14 days after the final vaccine dose to symptom onset was 86 days (range = 6178 days). Among persons with breakthrough infection, four (1.2%) were hospitalized, and no deaths were reported. Real-time RT-PCR Ct values in specimens from 127 fully vaccinated patients (median = 22.77) were similar to those among 84 patients who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median = 21.54) (Figure 2).
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Florda_mike said:

How much do you get paid to post this **** digwad?

How do you benefit from these lies attacking 60+% of this country smart enough to not risk their lives taking an experimental drug?
How much do you get paid to constantly post the anti-vax **** from crackpot conspiracy websites?
I'm the English Guy
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boognish_bear said:


Is this tweet a joke?

It's so far from reality.
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Jacques Strap said:

Some more info on Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021 if anyone cares

CDC: Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021

By July 26, a total of 469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents; dates of positive specimen collection ranged from July 6 through July 25 (Figure 1). Most cases occurred in males (85%); median age was 40 years (range = <176 years). Nearly one half (199; 42%) reported residence in the town in Barnstable County. Overall, 346 (74%) persons with COVID-19 reported symptoms consistent with COVID-19.** Five were hospitalized; as of July 27, no deaths were reported. One hospitalized patient (age range = 5059 years) was not vaccinated and had multiple underlying medical conditions. Four additional, fully vaccinated patients aged 2070 years were also hospitalized, two of whom had underlying medical conditions. Initial genomic sequencing of specimens from 133 patients identified the Delta variant in 119 (89%) cases and the Delta AY.3 sublineage in one (1%) case; genomic sequencing was not successful for 13 (10%) specimens.

Among the 469 cases in Massachusetts residents, 346 (74%) occurred in persons who were fully vaccinated; of these, 301 (87%) were male, with a median age of 42 years. Vaccine products received by persons experiencing breakthrough infections were Pfizer-BioNTech (159; 46%), Moderna (131; 38%), and Janssen (56; 16%); among fully vaccinated persons in the Massachusetts general population, 56% had received Pfizer-BioNTech, 38% had received Moderna, and 7% had received Janssen vaccine products.
Among persons with breakthrough infection, 274 (79%) reported signs or symptoms, with the most common being cough, headache, sore throat, myalgia, and fever. Among fully vaccinated symptomatic persons, the median interval from completion of 14 days after the final vaccine dose to symptom onset was 86 days (range = 6178 days). Among persons with breakthrough infection, four (1.2%) were hospitalized, and no deaths were reported. Real-time RT-PCR Ct values in specimens from 127 fully vaccinated patients (median = 22.77) were similar to those among 84 patients who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median = 21.54) (Figure 2).
Good information. Thanks for posting

Does Janssen + J&J vaccine?
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cms186 said:

Florda_mike said:

How much do you get paid to post this **** digwad?

How do you benefit from these lies attacking 60+% of this country smart enough to not risk their lives taking an experimental drug?
How much do you get paid to constantly post the anti-vax **** from crackpot conspiracy websites?


We got the winners, men with fortitude and big nuts, from your country over last several hundred years!

You're still there

Nuf said as I, nor us Americans, have nothing needed to be said to you, as you're not of my big ballsy backbonish ilk
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