"So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains And we never even know we have the key"
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the white president should stop oppressing you
Do you think Biden can increase the deficit even faster than Trump? I'm curious. It will sure take more than this one spending bill.
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
"So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains And we never even know we have the key"
Never underestimate your new President with The Fecal Touch.Porteroso said:
Do you think Biden can increase the deficit even faster than Trump? I'm curious. It will sure take more than this one spending bill.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms, there is little doubt that he will not add more than 8bn per 4 years, a staggering number imo. It says much of Republicans that Trump did so, while they rallied behind his tax cuts, and reluctantly supported his pandemic relief. All the while, proving that Republicans are not conservatives any longer, but power hungry maniacs with no ties to their old principles. Crying wolf when the Democrats do anything, eager to do the same things when they are in power. Both parties mere shells of what they could be.
The people are too inundated with fake news, biased entertainment TV, 24/7 coverage of the few injustices in this country that support any given narrative, to see clearly what is happening to the country.
The news broadcasts what they want to broadcast. Been that way since Coolidge.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
clubhi said:
the white president should stop oppressing you
Have you ever posted anything than "nothing to see here?"
Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts. Economy was incredibly strong, government was running a small surplus. Difficult to argue taxes should be lower, given the deficit, but I'm aware nobody wants to pay taxes.
The top bracket, which is currently 37%, did not exist I believe, so the current tax bracket at 35% was 39.6%. That would put earners of $523k or more at around 42%.
I would also support adding new tax brackets of 1m, 3m, 6m, 10m, 20m, with slight increases up to a max of 45%, continuing to have a relatively low capital gains tax, and more, but that's a different thread.
I would have been with you 10 years ago, IF the Feds were going to balance the budget. Not me, not now.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts. Economy was incredibly strong, government was running a small surplus. Difficult to argue taxes should be lower, given the deficit, but I'm aware nobody wants to pay taxes.
The top bracket, which is currently 37%, did not exist I believe, so the current tax bracket at 35% was 39.6%. That would put earners of $523k or more at around 42%.
I would also support adding new tax brackets of 1m, 3m, 6m, 10m, 20m, with slight increases up to a max of 45%, continuing to have a relatively low capital gains tax, and more, but that's a different thread.
I believe there is not tax rate high enough to satisfy Bernie and the Squad. They'll just raise taxes, borrow trillions, and blame me when it all crashes.
I'm preparing
yes he should!clubhi said:
the white president should stop oppressing you
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Taxes have been a point of contention for more than a century. I have not seen a truly rational tax plan in a long time.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Osodecentx said:I would have been with you 10 years ago, IF the Feds were going to balance the budget. Not me, not now.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts. Economy was incredibly strong, government was running a small surplus. Difficult to argue taxes should be lower, given the deficit, but I'm aware nobody wants to pay taxes.
The top bracket, which is currently 37%, did not exist I believe, so the current tax bracket at 35% was 39.6%. That would put earners of $523k or more at around 42%.
I would also support adding new tax brackets of 1m, 3m, 6m, 10m, 20m, with slight increases up to a max of 45%, continuing to have a relatively low capital gains tax, and more, but that's a different thread.
I believe there is not tax rate high enough to satisfy Bernie and the Squad. They'll just raise taxes, borrow trillions, and blame me when it all crashes.
I'm preparing
Were taxes unbearable during the Clinton administration? Honestly the Clinton admin, it's taxes, the budgets, seem like a dream now. Too good to be true.
And even idiot politicians will one day have to reckon with the deficit. I'd rather slow down its increases as much as possible, than ignore it, cut taxes further, spend more. Not that I really have much say, but it's my duty to advocate for future generations who aren't here yet to speak up.
Clinton got his 'surplus' using accounting tricks which had nothing to do with GAAP.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
They'll just borrow more and we will crash anyway. I'm preparingPorteroso said:Osodecentx said:I would have been with you 10 years ago, IF the Feds were going to balance the budget. Not me, not now.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts. Economy was incredibly strong, government was running a small surplus. Difficult to argue taxes should be lower, given the deficit, but I'm aware nobody wants to pay taxes.
The top bracket, which is currently 37%, did not exist I believe, so the current tax bracket at 35% was 39.6%. That would put earners of $523k or more at around 42%.
I would also support adding new tax brackets of 1m, 3m, 6m, 10m, 20m, with slight increases up to a max of 45%, continuing to have a relatively low capital gains tax, and more, but that's a different thread.
I believe there is not tax rate high enough to satisfy Bernie and the Squad. They'll just raise taxes, borrow trillions, and blame me when it all crashes.
I'm preparing
Were taxes unbearable during the Clinton administration? Honestly the Clinton admin, it's taxes, the budgets, seem like a dream now. Too good to be true.
And even idiot politicians will one day have to reckon with the deficit. I'd rather slow down its increases as much as possible, than ignore it, cut taxes further, spend more. Not that I really have much say, but it's my duty to advocate for future generations who aren't here yet to speak up.
Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
You just want other people to pay more....much more.
Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .
Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.
Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.Doc Holliday said:Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.
Sam loves Big BrotherSam Lowry said:Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.Doc Holliday said:Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Canada2017 said:Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
You just want other people to pay more....much more.
Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .
I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.
And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.
That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.
There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.
Here's a novel, how about the gov't cut spending?Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
You just want other people to pay more....much more.
Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .
I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.
And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.
That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.
There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.
The fairest of all taxes would be dumping income taxes in favor of a consumption tax. But of course, with the gov't, it's never about being fair.
There's enough bad to risk the entire system collapsing in my lifetime, especially our grandchildren's.Sam Lowry said:Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.Doc Holliday said:Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.
That's not conspiracy or far fetched.
Think about that.
No kiddingOldbear83 said:Sam loves Big BrotherSam Lowry said:Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.Doc Holliday said:Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.
So, what's being done that is bad and what's being done that's good, in your opinion?Sam Lowry said:Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.Doc Holliday said:Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.
We know that no matter what Sam says, you'll be name callingRawhide said:So, what's being done that is bad and what's being done that's good, in your opinion?Sam Lowry said:Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.Doc Holliday said:Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.
Hey, if you're being an idiot. I'm going to call you an idiot. So, don't be an idiot.Osodecentx said:We know that no matter what Sam says, you'll be name callingRawhide said:So, what's being done that is bad and what's being done that's good, in your opinion?Sam Lowry said:Been there, done that. Then I got a little older and realized it wasn't that simple. There's plenty of bad, but there's good being done as well.Doc Holliday said:Can you explain to me how you got to the point where you believe a massively corrupt government engaged in pointless wars for profit, mismanagement, racketeering and insider trading should have more of our hard earned money? Do you honestly expect them to do the right thing with more taxes?Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
Are you one of those guys whose bought into this idea of US government honor, integrity and greatness? If so, take the red pill and realize what a corrupt **** show it really is.
Oh my, how racist of you.clubhi said:
the white president should stop oppressing you
You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
You just want other people to pay more....much more.
Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .
I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.
And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.
That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.
There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.
A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.
More than a little hypocritical .
Canada2017 said:You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
You just want other people to pay more....much more.
Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .
I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.
And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.
That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.
There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.
A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.
More than a little hypocritical .
Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).
Nice 2-stepPorteroso said:Canada2017 said:You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
You just want other people to pay more....much more.
Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .
I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.
And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.
That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.
There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.
A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.
More than a little hypocritical .
Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:Nice 2-stepPorteroso said:Canada2017 said:You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
You just want other people to pay more....much more.
Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .
I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.
And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.
That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.
There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.
A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.
More than a little hypocritical .
Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).
I don't follow. Is my answer unclear?
If we were paying 10% or 90%, the government will ALWAYS spend more than it takes in by a certain percentage. It will be red into the trillions.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:You are attempting to slide around two obvious points.......Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Then you are not advocating the realities of the pre Bush tax rates.Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:If you want pre Bush tax rates back ...then also give back pre Bush tax write offs .Porteroso said:Canada2017 said:Actually what do you consider historical norms ?Porteroso said:Thee University said:
Trump tacked on about $8 Trillion in 4 years.
Biden wants to pile on $3.5 Trillion after 10 months in office?
Both parties are run by drunken sailors.
If Biden commits to this being the main spending bill of these 4 years, and raises taxes back to historical norms,
Pre Bush cuts.
That's not how math works. We owe a lot of money. Giving everyone ways to not pay taxes shouldn't be anyone's priority.
You just want other people to pay more....much more.
Of course I haven't read how much you are willing to pay .
I think history proved that those tax rates provided enough money for the government to do its job, and did not hamper the economy. I'm willing to pay what the IRS says to pay.
And if you will read, I'm advocating for pre Bush tax rates, slightly higher income taxes on millionaires, and sticking with the 0, 10, 15, 20% capital gains tax rate.
That doesn't come close to paying for our yearly budget, so I've thought of other ways to increase rvenue, for example a treasury backed banking product guaranteed to outpace inflation, a type of savings account. Giving especially low income families a way to save without investing, and not essentially be taxed more and more every year by inflation.
There are other ways we could increase revenue without higher taxes, but that's another thread.
A. Without pre Bush tax write offs you are advocating a net of more taxes.
B. You constantly insist that others pay more.....yet never disclose what YOU are willing to pay.
More than a little hypocritical .
Why does it matter what I'm willing to pay? I can assure you, I'm not rich, but I do pay my taxes. If ever I'm rich, I'm willing to pay the pre Bush rates, or the 45% if I make 50m a year (lol).
The idea that higher taxes translates to better budgeting is bull*****
So why not let the people keep more of their own money? Why would it be better in the hands of the people about to run out of social security funding in a decade?
I could take half of my social security taxes, invest them and have tenfold what the feds will give me.