Anybody buy a generator for the winter?
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Last: 4 yr ago by jupiter
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
I intended to get a Generac this summer..but so much for intentions...Little late now with supply issue backlogs..May get a couple of gas heaters just for emergency use this winter ...if they're available..forecast for next 3 months is warmer than average, but that was last winter's forecast too. :-) I think a generator is a good investment , so it's still in the budget..RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
6 to 9 months back order for 24kw Generac Guardian. That is current estimate from last week.
In Lake Havasu City you don't need no stinking generator. The AC better be in good shape.
Totally did. 100-year storms happen every year.
Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
"So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains And we never even know we have the key"
Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
That's my concern also..We've got a new and HUGE power suckin' Amazon facility here in Waco, and all the homes going in for their employees..Space X announcing a big expansion in nearby McGregor...and a whole lot of cars on the road here with out of state plates...Too many people and no real upgrades, apparently, to the grid doesn't sound very good to me..Rockdale is now going to be home to one of the the biggest electricity consuming industries that we've ever seen...Crypto Mining..these guys are running 24/7 and absolutely require massive amounts of juice.. Texas has natural gas out the wazzu..The expense of infrastructure improvements just hasn't been incurred to any great degree..I hate to say this, but another fiasco like last Feb and Beto will be livin in the Gov's mansion..RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
Marijuana farming can account for only so much, yes?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
Paying to feed, clothe, and house anyone that gets caught smoking it is a much saner approachAmal Shuq-Up said:Marijuana farming can account for only so much, yes?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
Not answering for anyone else, but I believe residential usage is a PART of the problem..Why are residents asked during summer blackouts to not even use a hairdryer until after peak usage period? Of course, energy consuming industries carry the brunt of the load, but everyone on the grid pulls from the grid...Texas population growth has been massive over the last decade, and nothing close to adequate has been done to insure power to all during periods of stress on the system. After the summer of 2011 disaster, El Paso went off the Texas grid and on to the Western grid..and hasn't suffered anywhere near the outages that they previously endured..Our state officials, in my opinion, have simply passed the responsibilty around like a hot potato , and put the welfare of the large Texas energy industry ahead of the citizens..Not rocket science to see the results.. PS: What improvements will be needed to accomodate all the planned electric vehicles in the next 10 years?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
Purchasing a generator doesn't mean you will be operating at 100%. Get your expectations in line with the possibilities.
1. How will you connect your generator to your house electric circuit?
2. How much fuel will your have to store at the house?
3. How long will your fuel last if generator is operating at full power?
4. Which appliances are you going to power?
I recently watched a family member go through the generator purchase at an old farm house. During the deep freeze last Feb he ended up relying on the rolling black out power instead of the generator.
He had a gasoline powered generator and had never gone through a prep run to make sure the generator would actually work.
Lesson: have an electrician advise you.
1. How will you connect your generator to your house electric circuit?
2. How much fuel will your have to store at the house?
3. How long will your fuel last if generator is operating at full power?
4. Which appliances are you going to power?
I recently watched a family member go through the generator purchase at an old farm house. During the deep freeze last Feb he ended up relying on the rolling black out power instead of the generator.
He had a gasoline powered generator and had never gone through a prep run to make sure the generator would actually work.
Lesson: have an electrician advise you.
Great points, Oso.Osodecentx said:
Purchasing a generator doesn't mean you will be operating at 100%. Get your expectations in line with the possibilities.
1. How will you connect your generator to your house electric circuit?
2. How much fuel will your have to store at the house?
3. How long will your fuel last if generator is operating at full power?
4. Which appliances are you going to power?
I recently watched a family member go through the generator purchase at an old farm house. During the deep freeze last Feb he ended up relying on the rolling black out power instead of the generator.
He had a gasoline powered generator and had never gone through a prep run to make sure the generator would actually work.
Lesson: have an electrician advise you.
El Paso has never been in ERCOT. Cities in the western grid had rolling black outs last Feb (see Lubbock and Amarillo). Cities on the eastern grid also had rolling black outs (see Huntsville and Bryan).Bexar Pitts said:Not answering for anyone else, but I believe residential usage is a PART of the problem..Why are residents asked during summer blackouts to not even use a hairdryer until after peak usage period? Of course, energy consuming industries carry the brunt of the load, but everyone on the grid pulls from the grid...Texas population growth has been massive over the last decade, and nothing close to adequate has been done to insure power to all during periods of stress on the system. After the summer of 2011 disaster, El Paso went off the Texas grid and on to the Western grid..and hasn't suffered anywhere near the outages that they previously endured..Our state officials, in my opinion, have simply passed the responsibilty around like a hot potato , and put the welfare of the large Texas energy industry ahead of the citizens..Not rocket science to see the results.. PS: What improvements will be needed to accomodate all the planned electric vehicles in the next 10 years?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
I agree that the Texas legislature has not solved the problem. Some folks blame ERCOT for PUC/Railroad Commission shortcomings.
My bad..I thought I remembered that El Paso went off Texas grid after 2011..they've been off for decades (60 years..Ercot formed 1970) ..They actually upgraded their system for extreme weather after that time...Thanks for the correction..Osodecentx said:El Paso has never been in ERCOT. Cities in the western grid had rolling black outs last Feb (see Lubbock and Amarillo). Cities on the eastern grid also had rolling black outs (see Huntsville and Bryan).Bexar Pitts said:Not answering for anyone else, but I believe residential usage is a PART of the problem..Why are residents asked during summer blackouts to not even use a hairdryer until after peak usage period? Of course, energy consuming industries carry the brunt of the load, but everyone on the grid pulls from the grid...Texas population growth has been massive over the last decade, and nothing close to adequate has been done to insure power to all during periods of stress on the system. After the summer of 2011 disaster, El Paso went off the Texas grid and on to the Western grid..and hasn't suffered anywhere near the outages that they previously endured..Our state officials, in my opinion, have simply passed the responsibilty around like a hot potato , and put the welfare of the large Texas energy industry ahead of the citizens..Not rocket science to see the results.. PS: What improvements will be needed to accomodate all the planned electric vehicles in the next 10 years?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
I agree that the Texas legislature has not solved the problem. Some folks blame ERCOT for PUC/Railroad Commission shortcomings.
To make it look like residents are the problem. We publish the stats. I believe residential was less than 14% energy usage for 2020 in Texas.Bexar Pitts said:Why are residents asked during summer blackouts to not even use a hairdryer until after peak usage period?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
Can't seem to find anything definitive that expresses residential usage as a percentage of electricity used (as opposed to total energy). Would be curious what that is.clubhi said:To make it look like residents are the problem. We publish the stats. I believe residential was less than 14% energy usage for 2020 in Texas.Bexar Pitts said:Why are residents asked during summer blackouts to not even use a hairdryer until after peak usage period?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
It's not useful to break it down to raw electrical use. E.g, can't produce/consume natural gas without electricity and we can't produce electricity without other forms of energy. Just thinking of energy as a convertible unit with varying yield efficiency is the fairest way of discussing it.curtpenn said:Can't seem to find anything definitive that expresses residential usage as a percentage of electricity used (as opposed to total energy). Would be curious what that is.clubhi said:To make it look like residents are the problem. We publish the stats. I believe residential was less than 14% energy usage for 2020 in Texas.Bexar Pitts said:Why are residents asked during summer blackouts to not even use a hairdryer until after peak usage period?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
If your 14% is taken from a pie chart, could you provide the other components? Reason I asked is that I have seen a similar energy percentage, but that was drawn from a total energy usage that included 25 % from transportation fuels..Thanks in advance if you provide..clubhi said:It's not useful to break it down to raw electrical use. E.g, can't produce/consume natural gas without electricity and we can't produce electricity without other forms of energy. Just thinking of energy as a convertible unit with varying yield efficiency is the fairest way of discussing it.curtpenn said:Can't seem to find anything definitive that expresses residential usage as a percentage of electricity used (as opposed to total energy). Would be curious what that is.clubhi said:To make it look like residents are the problem. We publish the stats. I believe residential was less than 14% energy usage for 2020 in Texas.Bexar Pitts said:Why are residents asked during summer blackouts to not even use a hairdryer until after peak usage period?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
Yes, and transportation is mostly commercial as well.Bexar Pitts said:If your 14% is taken from a pie chart, could you provide the other components? Reason I asked is that I have seen a similar energy percentage, but that was drawn from a total energy usage that included 25 % from transportation fuels..Thanks in advance if you provide..clubhi said:It's not useful to break it down to raw electrical use. E.g, can't produce/consume natural gas without electricity and we can't produce electricity without other forms of energy. Just thinking of energy as a convertible unit with varying yield efficiency is the fairest way of discussing it.curtpenn said:Can't seem to find anything definitive that expresses residential usage as a percentage of electricity used (as opposed to total energy). Would be curious what that is.clubhi said:To make it look like residents are the problem. We publish the stats. I believe residential was less than 14% energy usage for 2020 in Texas.Bexar Pitts said:Why are residents asked during summer blackouts to not even use a hairdryer until after peak usage period?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
And that doesn't even account for the million illegals roaming around Texas.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
Depends on what maga conspiracy theory you are talking about todayGrowlTowel said:And that doesn't even account for the million illegals roaming around Texas.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
El Paso Electric went broke in the 90s, reorganized, and retained their monopoly. I do think they made some upgrades to their system. Did they have black outs last winter?Bexar Pitts said:My bad..I thought I remembered that El Paso went off Texas grid after 2011..they've been off for decades (60 years..Ercot formed 1970) ..They actually upgraded their system for extreme weather after that time...Thanks for the correction..Osodecentx said:El Paso has never been in ERCOT. Cities in the western grid had rolling black outs last Feb (see Lubbock and Amarillo). Cities on the eastern grid also had rolling black outs (see Huntsville and Bryan).Bexar Pitts said:Not answering for anyone else, but I believe residential usage is a PART of the problem..Why are residents asked during summer blackouts to not even use a hairdryer until after peak usage period? Of course, energy consuming industries carry the brunt of the load, but everyone on the grid pulls from the grid...Texas population growth has been massive over the last decade, and nothing close to adequate has been done to insure power to all during periods of stress on the system. After the summer of 2011 disaster, El Paso went off the Texas grid and on to the Western grid..and hasn't suffered anywhere near the outages that they previously endured..Our state officials, in my opinion, have simply passed the responsibilty around like a hot potato , and put the welfare of the large Texas energy industry ahead of the citizens..Not rocket science to see the results.. PS: What improvements will be needed to accomodate all the planned electric vehicles in the next 10 years?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
I agree that the Texas legislature has not solved the problem. Some folks blame ERCOT for PUC/Railroad Commission shortcomings.
Found this from last Feb. https://kvia.com/news/el-paso/2021/02/15/el-pasos-not-seeing-power-outages-like-the-rest-of-texas-and-heres-why/Osodecentx said:El Paso Electric went broke in the 90s, reorganized, and retained their monopoly. I do think they made some upgrades to their system. Did they have black outs last winter?Bexar Pitts said:My bad..I thought I remembered that El Paso went off Texas grid after 2011..they've been off for decades (60 years..Ercot formed 1970) ..They actually upgraded their system for extreme weather after that time...Thanks for the correction..Osodecentx said:El Paso has never been in ERCOT. Cities in the western grid had rolling black outs last Feb (see Lubbock and Amarillo). Cities on the eastern grid also had rolling black outs (see Huntsville and Bryan).Bexar Pitts said:Not answering for anyone else, but I believe residential usage is a PART of the problem..Why are residents asked during summer blackouts to not even use a hairdryer until after peak usage period? Of course, energy consuming industries carry the brunt of the load, but everyone on the grid pulls from the grid...Texas population growth has been massive over the last decade, and nothing close to adequate has been done to insure power to all during periods of stress on the system. After the summer of 2011 disaster, El Paso went off the Texas grid and on to the Western grid..and hasn't suffered anywhere near the outages that they previously endured..Our state officials, in my opinion, have simply passed the responsibilty around like a hot potato , and put the welfare of the large Texas energy industry ahead of the citizens..Not rocket science to see the results.. PS: What improvements will be needed to accomodate all the planned electric vehicles in the next 10 years?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
I agree that the Texas legislature has not solved the problem. Some folks blame ERCOT for PUC/Railroad Commission shortcomings.
clubhi said:Depends on what maga conspiracy theory you are talking about todayGrowlTowel said:And that doesn't even account for the million illegals roaming around Texas.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
Ahh, the "nothing to see here" bull***** Move along *****.
Good articleBexar Pitts said:Found this from last Feb. https://kvia.com/news/el-paso/2021/02/15/el-pasos-not-seeing-power-outages-like-the-rest-of-texas-and-heres-why/Osodecentx said:El Paso Electric went broke in the 90s, reorganized, and retained their monopoly. I do think they made some upgrades to their system. Did they have black outs last winter?Bexar Pitts said:My bad..I thought I remembered that El Paso went off Texas grid after 2011..they've been off for decades (60 years..Ercot formed 1970) ..They actually upgraded their system for extreme weather after that time...Thanks for the correction..Osodecentx said:El Paso has never been in ERCOT. Cities in the western grid had rolling black outs last Feb (see Lubbock and Amarillo). Cities on the eastern grid also had rolling black outs (see Huntsville and Bryan).Bexar Pitts said:Not answering for anyone else, but I believe residential usage is a PART of the problem..Why are residents asked during summer blackouts to not even use a hairdryer until after peak usage period? Of course, energy consuming industries carry the brunt of the load, but everyone on the grid pulls from the grid...Texas population growth has been massive over the last decade, and nothing close to adequate has been done to insure power to all during periods of stress on the system. After the summer of 2011 disaster, El Paso went off the Texas grid and on to the Western grid..and hasn't suffered anywhere near the outages that they previously endured..Our state officials, in my opinion, have simply passed the responsibilty around like a hot potato , and put the welfare of the large Texas energy industry ahead of the citizens..Not rocket science to see the results.. PS: What improvements will be needed to accomodate all the planned electric vehicles in the next 10 years?clubhi said:lmao. moron points at residential usage as the problem.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
I agree that the Texas legislature has not solved the problem. Some folks blame ERCOT for PUC/Railroad Commission shortcomings.
Now if our generators would just winterize ...
just make up your mind. Are the blue voters illegals or not? Certainly you just don't believe and repeat whatever makes you feel warm inside?GrowlTowel said:clubhi said:Depends on what maga conspiracy theory you are talking about todayGrowlTowel said:And that doesn't even account for the million illegals roaming around Texas.RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Worried more than anything about another power grid failure. Hundreds of thousands of new homes being built to accomodate the huge influx of people moving here from blue states. The grid was stressed enough before they got here.Thee University said:Aren't you South of I-10?RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:
Man, I really wanted one but we had much trouble getting a bid. Generac owns the Southwest market. You have to buy from a dealer. They mark up the MSRP 90-100 percent. Expect to pay $2,000 to $3,000 for installation. Most of their distributors are out 4- 5 months.
Gonna wait for the hype to die down. Kohler and Taylor Power Systems are good options.They don't have much presence in the Southwest. For now, anyway.
Put on a sweater! Of course it needs to be sleeveless, V-neck.
Don't get scared by the global warming (love that discontinued phrase!) climate change nuts. They are just like the vaccine nuts.
If anything we need to march with pitchforks on the power companies who need to build out their systems to handle these spikes more readily.
Ahh, the "nothing to see here" bull***** Move along *****.
If your main worry is to keep your house heated, and you have central air/heat, a gas generator will work just fine. Each fan/blower will not exceed 10-12 amps generally speaking, and many generators can provide that. Running a few appropriaye extension cords to wherever your unit is much cheaper than getting a built in system that kicks in when electricity fails.
I don't live in Texas, but if I did, 100% I pick up a generator from Costco or something.
I don't live in Texas, but if I did, 100% I pick up a generator from Costco or something.
You can easily buy a small portable generator at a Costco or Home Depot. Buying a large residential generator that powers the whole house is not quite that easy.Porteroso said:
If your main worry is to keep your house heated, and you have central air/heat, a gas generator will work just fine. Each fan/blower will not exceed 10-12 amps generally speaking, and many generators can provide that. Running a few appropriaye extension cords to wherever your unit is much cheaper than getting a built in system that kicks in when electricity fails.
I don't live in Texas, but if I did, 100% I pick up a generator from Costco or something.
"Stand with anyone when he is right; Stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong." - Abraham Lincoln
How long will your small generator produce electricity?Porteroso said:
If your main worry is to keep your house heated, and you have central air/heat, a gas generator will work just fine. Each fan/blower will not exceed 10-12 amps generally speaking, and many generators can provide that. Running a few appropriaye extension cords to wherever your unit is much cheaper than getting a built in system that kicks in when electricity fails.
I don't live in Texas, but if I did, 100% I pick up a generator from Costco or something.
I have a propane gas generator and have been satisfied
Residents are not the problem when it comes to energy usage. It is large buildings. Especially large office buildings, schools, stores, etc. that have lights on 24/7, run the ac/heat 24/7 at crazy settings, etc.
I have always thought it so weird to drive by businesses, stores, offices at night and see so many lights on when no one is working. Or the places where I have worked and turning the lights off equaled about half the lights going out but the other half stay on no matter what.
And then during the freeze last year so many of those places still had power with everything on when it seems if they had less usage in general their probably would not have been a problem.
I have always thought it so weird to drive by businesses, stores, offices at night and see so many lights on when no one is working. Or the places where I have worked and turning the lights off equaled about half the lights going out but the other half stay on no matter what.
And then during the freeze last year so many of those places still had power with everything on when it seems if they had less usage in general their probably would not have been a problem.
What model ?Osodecentx said:How long will your small generator produce electricity?Porteroso said:
If your main worry is to keep your house heated, and you have central air/heat, a gas generator will work just fine. Each fan/blower will not exceed 10-12 amps generally speaking, and many generators can provide that. Running a few appropriaye extension cords to wherever your unit is much cheaper than getting a built in system that kicks in when electricity fails.
I don't live in Texas, but if I did, 100% I pick up a generator from Costco or something.
I have a propane gas generator and have been satisfied
How much butane do you store for the generator ?
Check PMCanada2017 said:What model ?Osodecentx said:How long will your small generator produce electricity?Porteroso said:
If your main worry is to keep your house heated, and you have central air/heat, a gas generator will work just fine. Each fan/blower will not exceed 10-12 amps generally speaking, and many generators can provide that. Running a few appropriaye extension cords to wherever your unit is much cheaper than getting a built in system that kicks in when electricity fails.
I don't live in Texas, but if I did, 100% I pick up a generator from Costco or something.
I have a propane gas generator and have been satisfied
How much butane do you store for the generator ?