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The 1-3-1: Baylor Women's Basketball (19-11) vs Iowa State (19-9)

March 9, 2023
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After splitting the regular season series with Iowa State, Baylor (19-11) will meet the Cyclones (19-9) in the rubber match on Friday in Kansas City in the quarterfinals of the Phillips 66 Big 12 Championship at Municipal Auditorium.

Neither team could protect their home court this season. Baylor knocked off then-twelfth-ranked Iowa State in Ames 76-70, before the Cyclones returned the favor in Waco 81-77 in double-overtime.

Here’s the 1-3-1 on the No. 6 seed Bears and No. 3 seed Cyclones.


One Fact:

While it might sound obvious, whoever controls the paint and keeps turnovers to a minimum will keep their Big 12 Title hopes alive. During the first two meetings this season, Baylor scored 78 points in the paint and committed 32 turnovers — Iowa State scored 68 points in the paint and committed 24 turnovers.

Caitlin Bickle and Darianna Littlepage-Buggs have played significant roles for the Bears against the Cyclones this season scoring in double figures in both matchups. 

Bickle is currently shooting 50% from the floor, 40% from 3-point range and 80% at the free throw line, which are the best averages among players in the five position in the Power 5. She is on a list of just nine players that were at least six-feet tall who have shot 50/40/80 in the Big 12 since 1999-00.

The unanimous Big 12 Freshman of the Year, Littlepage-Buggs, earned her eighth Big 12 Freshman of the Week award on Monday, becoming the first BU rookie to earn it eight-or-more times in program history. Additionally, she ranks second in the Big 12 all-time in Freshman of the Week honors behind Ayoka Lee, who earned it 12 times in 2020.


Three Nuggets:

●      Baylor and Iowa State last met in the 2019 title game, where the Bears came out on top, 67-49.

●      The Bears’ six seed is the lowest seeding for BU since Baylor was a No. 6 seed in the 2010 Big 12 Championship.

●      Baylor is 48-14 all-time in the Big 12 Championship and 12-6 against its half of this year’s bracket.


One Concern:

Baylor has to play disciplined defense and avoid foul trouble, while trying to stop an offense that has four players averaging double figures. Iowa State guard Ashley Joens is fresh off of being named Big 12 Player of the Year, and she has torched the Bears in both meetings this season accounting for 50 points and 5 steals.


Watch/Listen:

Tip-off between the Bears and the Cyclones is set for 7:30 p.m., and the game will be streamed via Big 12 Now on ESPN+. A live radio broadcast is also available for fans on the Varsity Network App or locally on 1660 AM/92.3 FM. Additionally, live in-game updates will be provided via Twitter or live stats.

 

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The 1-3-1: Baylor Women's Basketball (19-11) vs Iowa State (19-9)

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Olympia3
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BBWCBear said:

Game over. Double digit rebounds. BU didn't show up on the boards. Baylor is just another basketball team in the big picture. Won't last long in the Big Dance. Trophy case gonna get dusty.


Oh yes. Short short tourney. Sad to see where we are at.
RSBear
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Coach made some bad decisions IMO
DFW Bill
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When your team is out rebounded 54-29, it's very difficult to win. We had a chance at the end when it was 63-63,
then the wheels came off as the twister sisters made three 3 point shots in a row. This team has repeatedly failed to close out close games. With our two outstanding Freshman, we need at least three quality portal transfers to get back as contenders next season.
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RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO


Has all season.
RSBear
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We need more height in the game. Sit Asberry and play Bella with Buggs.
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Unfortunate loss. Looking like an 8 seed at best, but could fall to a 9 or (very unlikely) a 10 if upsets occur.

BBWCBear
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edible_waffles said:

Unfortunate loss. Looking like an 8 seed at best, but could fall to a 9 or (very unlikely) a 10 if upsets occur.




NIT would be better. BU is definitely a lower tier team of the 350 Division 1 college teams.
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BBWCBear said:

edible_waffles said:

Unfortunate loss. Looking like an 8 seed at best, but could fall to a 9 or (very unlikely) a 10 if upsets occur.




NIT would be better. BU is definitely a lower tier team of the 350 Division 1 college teams.
what? U actually think going to thr nit is better than being a 9 seed? The nit Champ is still worse than the last 16th seed. Going to the nit is never better than the ncaa tourny
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Olympia3
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BBWCBear said:

edible_waffles said:

Unfortunate loss. Looking like an 8 seed at best, but could fall to a 9 or (very unlikely) a 10 if upsets occur.




NIT would be better. BU is definitely a lower tier team of the 350 Division 1 college teams.


I don't think we are lower yet. Mid at the highest. But, very concerned with the bad in game coaching over and over. Coach N hasn't improved her issues at all. That's my concern.
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I counted 6 point-blank bunnies/layups missed, not counting those heavily contested, fouls, etc. That's 12 points.
historian
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Baylor blows the lead, again!
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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BBWCBear said:

edible_waffles said:

Unfortunate loss. Looking like an 8 seed at best, but could fall to a 9 or (very unlikely) a 10 if upsets occur.




NIT would be better. BU is definitely a lower tier team of the 350 Division 1 college teams.

Said no one ever.
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Saddle Up! said:

I counted 6 point-blank bunnies/layups missed, not counting those heavily contested, fouls, etc. That's 12 points.

At one time in the second half, Andrea Lloyd (color announcer) said Baylor had hit only 15 of 25 layups.
Big_Pumpin
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98-46. Between MBB and WBB, Iowa St out-rebounded us 98-46.
Cove Dawg
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Satisfied with the effort of our Bears last night. Ashley Joenes again proved why she is one of the best to don a Big XII uniform. Tip of the hat!
historian
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I actually thought the number was lower!
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
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I really hope we aren't a 8-9 seed in South Carolina's region. I rather be a 8-9 seed in every other region than theirs.
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ScottS said:

BBWCBear said:

edible_waffles said:

Unfortunate loss. Looking like an 8 seed at best, but could fall to a 9 or (very unlikely) a 10 if upsets occur.




NIT would be better. BU is definitely a lower tier team of the 350 Division 1 college teams.

Said no one ever.


My point actually was that's where they belong. It'll be even worse being a 9 seed and having an immediate exit. They're just not good.
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RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.
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blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.
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DFW Bill said:

When your team is out rebounded 54-29, it's very difficult to win. We had a chance at the end when it was 63-63,
then the wheels came off as the twister sisters made three 3 point shots in a row. This team has repeatedly failed to close out close games. With our two outstanding Freshman, we need at least three quality portal transfers to get back as contenders next season.
If Edwards and Blackwell come back would that be two of your three? I know you follow things well. Best improvement would be some quality height both on the perimeter, but especially inside. We are just too short. Rebounding, as with the men, is a problem right now. That alone probably was the most deciding factor in both games this weekend. ISU, both men and women did not only get second chance opportunities, but third and fourth.
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Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.


Block out, on jumpers be ready for long rebounds, be active, etc. that isn't height. On offense follow your shot, just don't stand and watch. Again nothing to do with height.

Anticipation, position, and activity.
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Olympia3 said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.


Block out, on jumpers be ready for long rebounds, be active, etc. that isn't height. On offense follow your shot, just don't stand and watch. Again nothing to do with height.

Anticipation, position, and activity.

Exactly! Like we had had great rebounding guards in the past like Moon and Juicy. Height is not a big factor in rebounding
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Baylorkid said:

Olympia3 said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.


Block out, on jumpers be ready for long rebounds, be active, etc. that isn't height. On offense follow your shot, just don't stand and watch. Again nothing to do with height.

Anticipation, position, and activity.

Exactly! Like we had had great rebounding guards in the past like Moon and Juicy. Height is not a big factor in rebounding
I looked up the two you mentioned. Moon was 5'6" but could outjump almost anyone. She was truly unusual in her jumping ability. Juicy was 5'9" on the roster I found. Richards who acted as point guard was 6'1"

Andrews is 5'6". Asbury is 5'5". Owens is 5'8".

Don't know how you can say that height is not a big factor in rebounding. I saw great effort last night on our team trying to get the rebound but were outjumped by ISU. On practically all the teams prior to this year we had at least 6'3" or taller inside. Most years taller than that...and more than one. We did not have problems rebounding This year we had 6'1" tops. We are short. ISU has guards that are as tall as that. You can talk boxing out and positioning all you want, but that will only carry you so far. You can be in perfect position and still not get the rebound because someone next to you jumps higher and grabs the ball.

Let's hope the 6'7" girl coming in next year lives up to her ranking and that Abraham develops. It will not only help with rebounding but I would think could take some pressure off our perimeter shooting because the insider presence will have to be considered by our opponent.
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Olympia3 said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.


Block out, on jumpers be ready for long rebounds, be active, etc. that isn't height. On offense follow your shot, just don't stand and watch. Again nothing to do with height.

Anticipation, position, and activity.
What does any of that have to do with decisions by the coach that you continue to post ?

Does Nicki miss layups and bunnies ??
Does Nicki miss Free Throws ??
Does Nicki jack up a three ball before running through the offense ??
Does Nicki make bonehead high risk passing decisions ??
Does Nicki A 5th year Senior and All Academic Big 12 for 4 years continue to take risks at drawing charging fouls and pick up unnecessary fouls when she has been told repeatedly by Nicki and Tony she is needed to stay on the floor ??
Does Nicki charge head down into double teams and get called for traveling or pick up an unnecessary charging foul ??

Nicki can't discipline on court behavior because she has no one to sub in without a significant drop-off and the players know it and so they continue to make the same mistakes and poor decisions they have been making since the start of the season.
Nicki and Tony have talked to them, drilled them, situational schooled them all season ad nauseum but same ol, same ol.

It seems to me that you have something personal against Nicki - what .... your daughter was not offered a scholarship to play ball at BU ?? There is something driving your animosity towards Nicki and it has nothing to do with her coaching decesion !!
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blackie said:

Baylorkid said:

Olympia3 said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.


Block out, on jumpers be ready for long rebounds, be active, etc. that isn't height. On offense follow your shot, just don't stand and watch. Again nothing to do with height.

Anticipation, position, and activity.

Exactly! Like we had had great rebounding guards in the past like Moon and Juicy. Height is not a big factor in rebounding
I looked up the two you mentioned. Moon was 5'6" but could outjump almost anyone. She was truly unusual in her jumping ability. Juicy was 5'9" on the roster I found. Richards who acted as point guard was 6'1"

Andrews is 5'6". Asbury is 5'5". Owens is 5'8".

Don't know how you can say that height is not a big factor in rebounding. I saw great effort last night on our team trying to get the rebound but were outjumped by ISU. On practically all the teams prior to this year we had at least 6'3" or taller inside. Most years taller than that...and more than one. We did not have problems rebounding This year we had 6'1" tops. We are short. ISU has guards that are as tall as that. You can talk boxing out and positioning all you want, but that will only carry you so far. You can be in perfect position and still not get the rebound because someone next to you jumps higher and grabs the ball.

Let's hope the 6'7" girl coming in next year lives up to her ranking and that Abraham develops. It will not only help with rebounding but I would think could take some pressure off our perimeter shooting because the insider presence will have to be considered by our opponent.

I said height plays a factor but it isn't the biggest factor in rebounding. Jana had some good hustle rebounds last night and she's not that tall. I agree with you on what you're saying but there are more to getting rebounds than just height.
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Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

Baylorkid said:

Olympia3 said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.


Block out, on jumpers be ready for long rebounds, be active, etc. that isn't height. On offense follow your shot, just don't stand and watch. Again nothing to do with height.

Anticipation, position, and activity.

Exactly! Like we had had great rebounding guards in the past like Moon and Juicy. Height is not a big factor in rebounding
I looked up the two you mentioned. Moon was 5'6" but could outjump almost anyone. She was truly unusual in her jumping ability. Juicy was 5'9" on the roster I found. Richards who acted as point guard was 6'1"

Andrews is 5'6". Asbury is 5'5". Owens is 5'8".

Don't know how you can say that height is not a big factor in rebounding. I saw great effort last night on our team trying to get the rebound but were outjumped by ISU. On practically all the teams prior to this year we had at least 6'3" or taller inside. Most years taller than that...and more than one. We did not have problems rebounding This year we had 6'1" tops. We are short. ISU has guards that are as tall as that. You can talk boxing out and positioning all you want, but that will only carry you so far. You can be in perfect position and still not get the rebound because someone next to you jumps higher and grabs the ball.

Let's hope the 6'7" girl coming in next year lives up to her ranking and that Abraham develops. It will not only help with rebounding but I would think could take some pressure off our perimeter shooting because the insider presence will have to be considered by our opponent.

I said height plays a factor but it isn't the biggest factor in rebounding. Jana had some good hustle rebounds last night and she's not that tall. I agree with you on what you're saying but there are more to getting rebounds than just height.
Never said there were not. But however you can slice and dice it.....right now we are way too short. You can shift from rebounding to offense. We have way too many shots blocked at the basket....blocked by the guard trailing our driving guard. We also have trouble on the perimeter because we can't shoot over anybody.

We have trouble throwing inside to either shoot or kickout because our "bigs" are not big. We have to resort to throwing it over them when the defender is in front of them. Sometimes it works, but we have also had balls thrown out of bounds or Buggs or Bickle end up too far under the basket. If we play in front of the defense inside we are subject to tie-ups or blocked shots there as well. I suspect this will be addressed sooner rather than later via recruiting and the portal.
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blackie said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

Baylorkid said:

Olympia3 said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.


Block out, on jumpers be ready for long rebounds, be active, etc. that isn't height. On offense follow your shot, just don't stand and watch. Again nothing to do with height.

Anticipation, position, and activity.

Exactly! Like we had had great rebounding guards in the past like Moon and Juicy. Height is not a big factor in rebounding
I looked up the two you mentioned. Moon was 5'6" but could outjump almost anyone. She was truly unusual in her jumping ability. Juicy was 5'9" on the roster I found. Richards who acted as point guard was 6'1"

Andrews is 5'6". Asbury is 5'5". Owens is 5'8".

Don't know how you can say that height is not a big factor in rebounding. I saw great effort last night on our team trying to get the rebound but were outjumped by ISU. On practically all the teams prior to this year we had at least 6'3" or taller inside. Most years taller than that...and more than one. We did not have problems rebounding This year we had 6'1" tops. We are short. ISU has guards that are as tall as that. You can talk boxing out and positioning all you want, but that will only carry you so far. You can be in perfect position and still not get the rebound because someone next to you jumps higher and grabs the ball.

Let's hope the 6'7" girl coming in next year lives up to her ranking and that Abraham develops. It will not only help with rebounding but I would think could take some pressure off our perimeter shooting because the insider presence will have to be considered by our opponent.

I said height plays a factor but it isn't the biggest factor in rebounding. Jana had some good hustle rebounds last night and she's not that tall. I agree with you on what you're saying but there are more to getting rebounds than just height.
Never said there were not. But however you can slice and dice it.....right now we are way too short. You can shift from rebounding to offense. We have way too many shots blocked at the basket....blocked by the guard trailing our driving guard. We also have trouble on the perimeter because we can't shoot over anybody.

We have trouble throwing inside to either shoot or kickout because our "bigs" are not big. We have to resort to throwing it over them when the defender is in front of them. Sometimes it works, but we have also had balls thrown out of bounds or Buggs or Bickle end up too far under the basket. If we play in front of the defense inside we are subject to tie-ups or blocked shots there as well. I suspect this will be addressed sooner rather than later via recruiting and the portal.

I agree! My only problem with yesterday's game was that if coach saw how bad we were getting out rebounded, why didn't she go big with Bickle and both freshmen and leave Owens and Andrews in at the guard spot. That could've helped.
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blueeyedbear said:

Olympia3 said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.


Block out, on jumpers be ready for long rebounds, be active, etc. that isn't height. On offense follow your shot, just don't stand and watch. Again nothing to do with height.

Anticipation, position, and activity.
What does any of that have to do with decisions by the coach that you continue to post ?

Does Nicki miss layups and bunnies ??
Does Nicki miss Free Throws ??
Does Nicki jack up a three ball before running through the offense ??
Does Nicki make bonehead high risk passing decisions ??
Does Nicki A 5th year Senior and All Academic Big 12 for 4 years continue to take risks at drawing charging fouls and pick up unnecessary fouls when she has been told repeatedly by Nicki and Tony she is needed to stay on the floor ??
Does Nicki charge head down into double teams and get called for traveling or pick up an unnecessary charging foul ??

Nicki can't discipline on court behavior because she has no one to sub in without a significant drop-off and the players know it and so they continue to make the same mistakes and poor decisions they have been making since the start of the season.
Nicki and Tony have talked to them, drilled them, situational schooled them all season ad nauseum but same ol, same ol.

It seems to me that you have something personal against Nicki - what .... your daughter was not offered a scholarship to play ball at BU ?? There is something driving your animosity towards Nicki and it has nothing to do with her coaching decesion !!
I
If the above is correct, then Nicki and her staff have lost control of the team.

Is that what you think? Nicki can't discipline on court behavior………..
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Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

Baylorkid said:

Olympia3 said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.


Block out, on jumpers be ready for long rebounds, be active, etc. that isn't height. On offense follow your shot, just don't stand and watch. Again nothing to do with height.

Anticipation, position, and activity.

Exactly! Like we had had great rebounding guards in the past like Moon and Juicy. Height is not a big factor in rebounding
I looked up the two you mentioned. Moon was 5'6" but could outjump almost anyone. She was truly unusual in her jumping ability. Juicy was 5'9" on the roster I found. Richards who acted as point guard was 6'1"

Andrews is 5'6". Asbury is 5'5". Owens is 5'8".

Don't know how you can say that height is not a big factor in rebounding. I saw great effort last night on our team trying to get the rebound but were outjumped by ISU. On practically all the teams prior to this year we had at least 6'3" or taller inside. Most years taller than that...and more than one. We did not have problems rebounding This year we had 6'1" tops. We are short. ISU has guards that are as tall as that. You can talk boxing out and positioning all you want, but that will only carry you so far. You can be in perfect position and still not get the rebound because someone next to you jumps higher and grabs the ball.

Let's hope the 6'7" girl coming in next year lives up to her ranking and that Abraham develops. It will not only help with rebounding but I would think could take some pressure off our perimeter shooting because the insider presence will have to be considered by our opponent.

I said height plays a factor but it isn't the biggest factor in rebounding. Jana had some good hustle rebounds last night and she's not that tall. I agree with you on what you're saying but there are more to getting rebounds than just height.
Never said there were not. But however you can slice and dice it.....right now we are way too short. You can shift from rebounding to offense. We have way too many shots blocked at the basket....blocked by the guard trailing our driving guard. We also have trouble on the perimeter because we can't shoot over anybody.

We have trouble throwing inside to either shoot or kickout because our "bigs" are not big. We have to resort to throwing it over them when the defender is in front of them. Sometimes it works, but we have also had balls thrown out of bounds or Buggs or Bickle end up too far under the basket. If we play in front of the defense inside we are subject to tie-ups or blocked shots there as well. I suspect this will be addressed sooner rather than later via recruiting and the portal.

I agree! My only problem with yesterday's game was that if coach saw how bad we were getting out rebounded, why didn't she go big with Bickle and both freshmen and leave Owens and Andrews in at the guard spot. That could've helped.
I believe to answer your question as to why or if it should have been done is way above my and I suspect your pay grade concerning knowing the dynamics of managing a basketball game with the pieces you have to work with and what kind of condition they are in and at the time such decisions are required. My only knowledge of this team is what I see on my TV or from the stands.

That's the problem I have with a lot of the critiquing I see on this board. Very few of us are qualified to do the what ifs, why nots, and should ofs to the extent and certainty that is portrayed in way too many posts.
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blackie said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

Baylorkid said:

Olympia3 said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.


Block out, on jumpers be ready for long rebounds, be active, etc. that isn't height. On offense follow your shot, just don't stand and watch. Again nothing to do with height.

Anticipation, position, and activity.

Exactly! Like we had had great rebounding guards in the past like Moon and Juicy. Height is not a big factor in rebounding
I looked up the two you mentioned. Moon was 5'6" but could outjump almost anyone. She was truly unusual in her jumping ability. Juicy was 5'9" on the roster I found. Richards who acted as point guard was 6'1"

Andrews is 5'6". Asbury is 5'5". Owens is 5'8".

Don't know how you can say that height is not a big factor in rebounding. I saw great effort last night on our team trying to get the rebound but were outjumped by ISU. On practically all the teams prior to this year we had at least 6'3" or taller inside. Most years taller than that...and more than one. We did not have problems rebounding This year we had 6'1" tops. We are short. ISU has guards that are as tall as that. You can talk boxing out and positioning all you want, but that will only carry you so far. You can be in perfect position and still not get the rebound because someone next to you jumps higher and grabs the ball.

Let's hope the 6'7" girl coming in next year lives up to her ranking and that Abraham develops. It will not only help with rebounding but I would think could take some pressure off our perimeter shooting because the insider presence will have to be considered by our opponent.

I said height plays a factor but it isn't the biggest factor in rebounding. Jana had some good hustle rebounds last night and she's not that tall. I agree with you on what you're saying but there are more to getting rebounds than just height.
Never said there were not. But however you can slice and dice it.....right now we are way too short. You can shift from rebounding to offense. We have way too many shots blocked at the basket....blocked by the guard trailing our driving guard. We also have trouble on the perimeter because we can't shoot over anybody.

We have trouble throwing inside to either shoot or kickout because our "bigs" are not big. We have to resort to throwing it over them when the defender is in front of them. Sometimes it works, but we have also had balls thrown out of bounds or Buggs or Bickle end up too far under the basket. If we play in front of the defense inside we are subject to tie-ups or blocked shots there as well. I suspect this will be addressed sooner rather than later via recruiting and the portal.

I agree! My only problem with yesterday's game was that if coach saw how bad we were getting out rebounded, why didn't she go big with Bickle and both freshmen and leave Owens and Andrews in at the guard spot. That could've helped.
I believe to answer your question as to why or if it should have been done is way above my and I suspect your pay grade concerning knowing the dynamics of managing a basketball game with the pieces you have to work with and what kind of condition they are in and at the time such decisions are required. My only knowledge of this team is what I see on my TV or from the stands.

That's the problem I have with a lot of the critiquing I see on this board. Very few of us are qualified to do the what ifs, why nots, and should ofs to the extent and certainty that is portrayed in way too many posts.

For sure!
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AP had an interesting take on this rebounding deficit on the mainboard...

Question:
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What then is the reason for the tremendous disparity between tonight and the two regular season games? At Ames we out rebounded them 37-34 and in Waco they only out rebounded us 53-52. Tonight they almost doubled us at 54-29. According to box scores, same players as tonight went against each other in those games.

Answer:
They adjusted their game plan from their standard motion offense to run the exact same actions that OSU, West Virginia, etc. used to beat us. High ball screen to a switch, dive the post. Lift the posts, dribble drive their bigger guards against our midgets. Given our total lack of height the only response is doubling. Doubling means unguarded/inside position backside rebounders.


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DFW Bill said:

blueeyedbear said:

Olympia3 said:

Baylorkid said:

blackie said:

RSBear said:

Coach made some bad decisions IMO
Be specific. What I saw was a team lacking in height to get more rebounds, a team that missed at least a half-dozen bunnies, and a player of the year that played like a player of the year.

So, exactly what were the bad decisions? I might agree with you or might not, but if you are going to make that statement please provide specifics. I have yet to see any coach or player for that matter regardless of how good not make some bad decisions in a game they would like to do-over. It has got to go beyond that.

Not to interject but rebounding is more than just height. You don't have to be tall to get a rebound! You just have to know where the ball is going to end up and it's mainly about positioning and boxing out. Yes height plays a factor but it's all heart and hustle.


Block out, on jumpers be ready for long rebounds, be active, etc. that isn't height. On offense follow your shot, just don't stand and watch. Again nothing to do with height.

Anticipation, position, and activity.
What does any of that have to do with decisions by the coach that you continue to post ?

Does Nicki miss layups and bunnies ??
Does Nicki miss Free Throws ??
Does Nicki jack up a three ball before running through the offense ??
Does Nicki make bonehead high risk passing decisions ??
Does Nicki A 5th year Senior and All Academic Big 12 for 4 years continue to take risks at drawing charging fouls and pick up unnecessary fouls when she has been told repeatedly by Nicki and Tony she is needed to stay on the floor ??
Does Nicki charge head down into double teams and get called for traveling or pick up an unnecessary charging foul ??

Nicki can't discipline on court behavior because she has no one to sub in without a significant drop-off and the players know it and so they continue to make the same mistakes and poor decisions they have been making since the start of the season.
Nicki and Tony have talked to them, drilled them, situational schooled them all season ad nauseum but same ol, same ol.

It seems to me that you have something personal against Nicki - what .... your daughter was not offered a scholarship to play ball at BU ?? There is something driving your animosity towards Nicki and it has nothing to do with her coaching decesion !!
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If the above is correct, then Nicki and her staff have lost control of the team.

Is that what you think? Nicki can't discipline on court behavior………..

I am sure an "expert" like you realize the way you discipline on court behavior(s) is sitting players for mistakes just like your idol Kim did. Nicki does not have that option with the limited roster and keep the score manageable.
A lot of the off-script play is players trying to make plays outside of the offense scheme. It's a double edge sword on one hand you want the offensive and defensive schemes run but on the other hand you do not want to discourage individual creativity during the course of the game.
This coaching staff is in control - you're going to have to find a different talking point.



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I thought we played pretty good with a lot of energy against iowa state and we were within 2 minutes at the end but could not take control of the game in Jones hit three big giant Championship three balls and that was the space they needed to put us away. We played pretty good and yes could have won with free throws and Bunny shots. Will be much better next year sic e m
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