Oaks Christian (CA) QB Nate Bennett Commits to Baylor

Haven't seen anyone mention but he is a legacy. His dad graduated in 2001 and is a pastor in Malibu. Not sure if he played football.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Haven't seen anyone mention but he is a legacy. His dad graduated in 2001 and is a pastor in Malibu. Not sure if he played football.

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Thanks for that info. I understand the reach now

Yeah..I found it odd in his announcement he said 'Im coming home' so I did a little research. Guess he may have been born in Waco.

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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So it sounds like we need to pull his offer. Glad we've got this brain trust working overtime.

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It's a forum. You were trying to compare this guy to RGIII. No need to get butt hurt. If you want to read glowing reviews with no real criticism, buy a premium subscription to this website

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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The posters that claim that Baylor was never a QB factory in terms of recruiting have a point here - Baylor's never been an upper tier place for HS QBs as Bryce Petty, Seth Russell, Blake Shapen and Charlie Brewer were all middling 3* players. RG3, Bohannon, Drones and Stidham were higher rated, but Drones couldn't win the starting job and Bohannon lost the job to Shapen.

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How did that turn out? Did our team improve?

I'm concerned that the person doing the QB evaluation is bad at his job.

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How are we calculating improving?

Baylor lost all stars (for Baylor) at RB and WR and the defense fell off a relative cliff. Unless Shapen was the second coming in 2022 or Baylor pulled in some big-time transfers in the offseason, Baylor wasn't going to be as good in 2022 as it was in 2021 as it doesn't recruit well enough across the board for that to be the case.

I'm simply saying that some posers are moving the goal posts too frequently for everyone else to take them seriously. They complain about 3* QB recruits vs 4* QB recruits, but most of Baylor's recent starters at that position have been 3*s even when 4* were available on the roster. Those posters then complain about QB development but conveniently ignore (1) the losses at skill positions, (2) that some of the years in question were a QB's first year as a starter (i.e. 2022), and (3) that Baylor does not recruit well by averaging less than 4 blue chip players per recruiting class throughout Aranda/Rhule/Briles (maybe even less than 3).

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You're making excuses. Those same "stars" were 2-7 the year before the QB he beat out.

The biggest difference between the 12 win team and the 6 win team is the 12 win team won loseable games and the 6 win team lost winnable games.

The QB we replaced didn't slide one yard short with the game on the line. It could be the difference in size or instinct or will but the results were wins.

So, you ask "How are you calculating improving?" I'll use the W/L column - 20%.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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The posters that claim that Baylor was never a QB factory in terms of recruiting have a point here - Baylor's never been an upper tier place for HS QBs as Bryce Petty, Seth Russell, Blake Shapen and Charlie Brewer were all middling 3* players. RG3, Bohannon, Drones and Stidham were higher rated, but Drones couldn't win the starting job and Bohannon lost the job to Shapen.

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How did that turn out? Did our team improve?

I'm concerned that the person doing the QB evaluation is bad at his job.

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How are we calculating improving?

Baylor lost all stars (for Baylor) at RB and WR and the defense fell off a relative cliff. Unless Shapen was the second coming in 2022 or Baylor pulled in some big-time transfers in the offseason, Baylor wasn't going to be as good in 2022 as it was in 2021 as it doesn't recruit well enough across the board for that to be the case.

I'm simply saying that some posers are moving the goal posts too frequently for everyone else to take them seriously. They complain about 3* QB recruits vs 4* QB recruits, but most of Baylor's recent starters at that position have been 3*s even when 4* were available on the roster. Those posters then complain about QB development but conveniently ignore (1) the losses at skill positions, (2) that some of the years in question were a QB's first year as a starter (i.e. 2022), and (3) that Baylor does not recruit well by averaging less than 4 blue chip players per recruiting class throughout Aranda/Rhule/Briles (maybe even less than 3).

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You're making excuses. Those same "stars" were 2-7 the year before the QB he beat out.

The biggest difference between the 12 win team and the 6 win team is the 12 win team won loseable games and the 6 win team lost winnable games.

The QB we replaced didn't slide one yard short with the game on the line. It could be the difference in size or instinct or will but the results were wins.

So, you ask "How are you calculating improving?" I'll use the W/L column - 20%.

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The goal posts are being moved so much that it's difficult to track each one.

1. Stars - Baylor had 6 players drafted in 2022 from the 2021 team, and that's huge for a program like Baylor. Given those outcomes, it is not up for reasonable debate that those players were game changers for Baylor as the pros recognized their contributions to (at least) the 2021 team and their potentially contributions at the next level. To be clear, Baylor has not put more than 6 players into a single draft since 1983, and the last four times that it put at least 6 players in the draft, it won 6 or fewer regular season games the season after (including 2021).

2. Improving - A team that finishes 12-2 cannot improve "20%" in the W/L column, so I'm not sure of what's being said there.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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The posters that claim that Baylor was never a QB factory in terms of recruiting have a point here - Baylor's never been an upper tier place for HS QBs as Bryce Petty, Seth Russell, Blake Shapen and Charlie Brewer were all middling 3* players. RG3, Bohannon, Drones and Stidham were higher rated, but Drones couldn't win the starting job and Bohannon lost the job to Shapen.

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How did that turn out? Did our team improve?

I'm concerned that the person doing the QB evaluation is bad at his job.

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How are we calculating improving?

Baylor lost all stars (for Baylor) at RB and WR and the defense fell off a relative cliff. Unless Shapen was the second coming in 2022 or Baylor pulled in some big-time transfers in the offseason, Baylor wasn't going to be as good in 2022 as it was in 2021 as it doesn't recruit well enough across the board for that to be the case.

I'm simply saying that some posers are moving the goal posts too frequently for everyone else to take them seriously. They complain about 3* QB recruits vs 4* QB recruits, but most of Baylor's recent starters at that position have been 3*s even when 4* were available on the roster. Those posters then complain about QB development but conveniently ignore (1) the losses at skill positions, (2) that some of the years in question were a QB's first year as a starter (i.e. 2022), and (3) that Baylor does not recruit well by averaging less than 4 blue chip players per recruiting class throughout Aranda/Rhule/Briles (maybe even less than 3).

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You're making excuses. Those same "stars" were 2-7 the year before the QB he beat out.

The biggest difference between the 12 win team and the 6 win team is the 12 win team won loseable games and the 6 win team lost winnable games.

The QB we replaced didn't slide one yard short with the game on the line. It could be the difference in size or instinct or will but the results were wins.

So, you ask "How are you calculating improving?" I'll use the W/L column - 20%.

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The goal posts are being moved so much that it's difficult to track each one.

1. Stars - Baylor had 6 players drafted in 2022 from the 2021 team, and that's huge for a program like Baylor. Given those outcomes, it is not up for reasonable debate that those players were game changers for Baylor as the pros recognized their contributions to (at least) the 2021 team and their potentially contributions at the next level. To be clear, Baylor has not put more than 6 players into a single draft since 1983, and the last four times that it put at least 6 players in the draft, it won 6 or fewer regular season games the season after (including 2021).

2. Improving - A team that finishes 12-2 cannot improve "20%" in the W/L column, so I'm not sure of what's being said there.

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Wins gets players drafted. In 2021, Sims looked like a mid round pick. In 2022, he went undrafted. What changed?

Maybe a diamond in the rough. Guy moves well and looks pretty smooth. Welcome Nate.

Kid has excellent biomechanics and is quick.

Looks like Shapen 2.0. Small Christian school - not in Texas. Might be an amazing athlete and a good kid but a total crap shoot. We need proven players from big programs at the QB position.

Getting a QB is easy. Getting a winner badass at QB that will go out and win games is the challenge.

JP1037 said:

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Looks like Shapen 2.0. Small Christian school - not in Texas. Might be an amazing athlete and a good kid but a total crap shoot. We need proven players from big programs at the QB position.

Getting a QB is easy. Getting a winner badass at QB that will go out and win games is the challenge.

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FWIW, Oaks Christian has about 1000 students in HS. Would be equivalent to a largish 4A school in Texas.

Oaks would be about twice the size of Evangel Shreveport where Shapen played. On the other hand, football was probably a much larger part of the school culture at Evangel.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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The posters that claim that Baylor was never a QB factory in terms of recruiting have a point here - Baylor's never been an upper tier place for HS QBs as Bryce Petty, Seth Russell, Blake Shapen and Charlie Brewer were all middling 3* players. RG3, Bohannon, Drones and Stidham were higher rated, but Drones couldn't win the starting job and Bohannon lost the job to Shapen.

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How did that turn out? Did our team improve?

I'm concerned that the person doing the QB evaluation is bad at his job.

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How are we calculating improving?

Baylor lost all stars (for Baylor) at RB and WR and the defense fell off a relative cliff. Unless Shapen was the second coming in 2022 or Baylor pulled in some big-time transfers in the offseason, Baylor wasn't going to be as good in 2022 as it was in 2021 as it doesn't recruit well enough across the board for that to be the case.

I'm simply saying that some posers are moving the goal posts too frequently for everyone else to take them seriously. They complain about 3* QB recruits vs 4* QB recruits, but most of Baylor's recent starters at that position have been 3*s even when 4* were available on the roster. Those posters then complain about QB development but conveniently ignore (1) the losses at skill positions, (2) that some of the years in question were a QB's first year as a starter (i.e. 2022), and (3) that Baylor does not recruit well by averaging less than 4 blue chip players per recruiting class throughout Aranda/Rhule/Briles (maybe even less than 3).

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You're making excuses. Those same "stars" were 2-7 the year before the QB he beat out.

The biggest difference between the 12 win team and the 6 win team is the 12 win team won loseable games and the 6 win team lost winnable games.

The QB we replaced didn't slide one yard short with the game on the line. It could be the difference in size or instinct or will but the results were wins.

So, you ask "How are you calculating improving?" I'll use the W/L column - 20%.

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The goal posts are being moved so much that it's difficult to track each one.

1. Stars - Baylor had 6 players drafted in 2022 from the 2021 team, and that's huge for a program like Baylor. Given those outcomes, it is not up for reasonable debate that those players were game changers for Baylor as the pros recognized their contributions to (at least) the 2021 team and their potentially contributions at the next level. To be clear, Baylor has not put more than 6 players into a single draft since 1983, and the last four times that it put at least 6 players in the draft, it won 6 or fewer regular season games the season after (including 2021).

2. Improving - A team that finishes 12-2 cannot improve "20%" in the W/L column, so I'm not sure of what's being said there.

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Wing gets players drafted. In 2021, Sims looked like a mid round pick. In 2022, he went undrafted. What changed?

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". . . looked like a mid round pick. . . "

What does even mean from an objective standpoint? To rephrase, did scouts predict that he was a lock to be drafted after 2021, and, if not, what are we really saying here?

There's a lot of value these days in a qb that convinces them he will stay for the long haul. At worst he could be a transitional depth guy to follow Sawyer, if it were to play out that way. Best case is he's a real hidden gem and makes the qb room much stronger and deeper, becomes a big deal kind of guy.

If Briles recruited this guy, I wouldn't second guess it at all because Briles showed time and again he could spot talent (and develop it).

Having shawn bell recruit and develop guys is what scares me the most with this staff. He hasn't proved he could do either of those things.