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Why I'm Optimistic About Jeff Grimes and the Baylor Offense

September 28, 2023
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I have a new theory when it comes to Baylor’s offensive performances under Grimes.

The offense either works or it doesn’t.

That might sound simple, so let me explain.

When you go back through 2021, 2022, and now 2023, you can break each game up into 2 buckets: Could Baylor’s offense establish the wide zone or not?

In 2021, that answer was almost always “yes.” And when the answer is yes, it usually means that Baylor is somewhat easily able to get to ~27+ points.

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Why I'm Optimistic About Jeff Grimes and the Baylor Offense

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Doc Holliday
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11:16a, 9/28/23
While it can work with the right talent, it needs to change and be developed for lesser talent.

For that reason I'm not optimistic.
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11:34a, 9/28/23
Grimes is unable to adapt to existing personnel. Most any coach can win with talented players. It's when we have less talent where the truly gifted coaches show their true worth, or lack thereof.
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ImABearToo
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12:52p, 9/28/23
Round peg in square hole syndrome.
“Life is short, eat desert first!”
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In reply to Doc Holliday • 2:24p, 9/28/23
That's why I say we need to finesse these teams and spread it out more. Stop trying to overpower them. Get the ball out quickly.
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5:36p, 9/28/23
Talent level down. Abram Smith made it work with better o.line. Wil not work with this o. line..
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5:41p, 9/28/23
We need better talent but does better talent want to play in this dull offense? If they did we would be recruiting great talent. Not the case. Can this staff grow 3 stars into 4 stars? We probably won't get to see.
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5:42p, 9/28/23
Talent level down. Abram Smith made it work with better o.line. Wil not work with this o. line..
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5:59p, 9/28/23
Nothing will work with this oline
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9:51p, 9/28/23
They look a step slow and confused. Doesn't reflect well on coaching or recruiting
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10:19a, 9/29/23
These are the same folks who are notoriously wrong in prognostications and predictions over and over again. Why would you lend any of the "analysis" credence. And thats no disrespect.. just reality.

Even if it "worked," would still be a dull limited system.
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12:20p, 9/29/23
I believe the employees of this website are the only ones optimistic about this offense.
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12:28p, 9/29/23
I feel for Travis....definitely drew the short straw in having to write this piece for the month....
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In reply to IBleedGreenandGold • 12:47p, 9/29/23
IBleedGreenandGold said:
That's why I say we need to finesse these teams and spread it out more. Stop trying to overpower them. Get the ball out quickly.
Not UCF! They will run with anyone.
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In reply to hodedofome • 1:20p, 9/29/23
hodedofome said:
I believe the employees of this website are the only ones optimistic about this offense.


They're never going to be too harsh on Grimes or anyone associated with Baylor. It's a business and they need coaches and other athletic department personnel to come do interviews. All positivity coming from employees of the website should be taken with a grain of salt
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3:19p, 9/29/23
Ridiculous. Not even the author believes this. Offense was bad even when we won the Big 12.
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4:25p, 9/29/23
Hope you're right. 90% sure you're not.
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11:46p, 9/29/23
Whisky Tango Foxtrot. Are we about to hear how great Steele is too
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11:51p, 9/29/23
Nah, Grimes can't get the job done. If he doesn't have a defense that essentially keeps the other team off the field, then he's not going to get points on the board,especially with a less than stellar O line.
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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 8:42a, 9/30/23
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Nah, Grimes can't get the job done. If he doesn't have a defense that essentially keeps the other team off the field, then he's not going to get points on the board,especially with a less than stellar O line.
We need a OC that can generate points. We are not going to get the level of OL to play the grind it and hold the ball for 12 minute drives that Grimes wants. We need a creator type, a Briles, Leach type that figured how to take what the D gives. Briles and Leach understood that they had to score to put pressure on the other team to stay competitive with better stocked teams.

The part Briles couldn't figure out in the era he coached was the D, he had to bring in borderline character guys. Briles would excel in this era of NIL, he could compete better on the recruiting trail. The one thing Briles could do better than Aranda or Grimes is identify talent that could translate to the B12.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 10:29a, 9/30/23
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Nah, Grimes can't get the job done. If he doesn't have a defense that essentially keeps the other team off the field, then he's not going to get points on the board,especially with a less than stellar O line.
We need a OC that can generate points. We are not going to get the level of OL to play the grind it and hold the ball for 12 minute drives that Grimes wants. We need a creator type, a Briles, Leach type that figured how to take what the D gives. Briles and Leach understood that they had to score to put pressure on the other team to stay competitive with better stocked teams.

The part Briles couldn't figure out in the era he coached was the D, he had to bring in borderline character guys. Briles would excel in this era of NIL, he could compete better on the recruiting trail. The one thing Briles could do better than Aranda or Grimes is identify talent that could translate to the B12.
Couldn't agree more. Need someone more creative, been saying it since the Championship season. He doesn't have what it takes, and it showed even then. Without an A+ Defense, Grimes isn't going to get the job done.

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In reply to FLBear5630 • 10:44a, 9/30/23
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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Nah, Grimes can't get the job done. If he doesn't have a defense that essentially keeps the other team off the field, then he's not going to get points on the board,especially with a less than stellar O line.
We need a OC that can generate points. We are not going to get the level of OL to play the grind it and hold the ball for 12 minute drives that Grimes wants. We need a creator type, a Briles, Leach type that figured how to take what the D gives. Briles and Leach understood that they had to score to put pressure on the other team to stay competitive with better stocked teams.

The part Briles couldn't figure out in the era he coached was the D, he had to bring in borderline character guys. Briles would excel in this era of NIL, he could compete better on the recruiting trail. The one thing Briles could do better than Aranda or Grimes is identify talent that could translate to the B12.
Not saying I was satisfied with Briles defense , but when you have an offense that scores ,on average, in less than two minutes, you really need MORE depth on defense that teams who score with drives that last 5 minutes or more. That is a tall order, but Briles was getting closer to being able to do that when the sh-- hit the fan.
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In reply to BEAR 45 • 10:54a, 9/30/23
BEAR 45 said:
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Nah, Grimes can't get the job done. If he doesn't have a defense that essentially keeps the other team off the field, then he's not going to get points on the board,especially with a less than stellar O line.
We need a OC that can generate points. We are not going to get the level of OL to play the grind it and hold the ball for 12 minute drives that Grimes wants. We need a creator type, a Briles, Leach type that figured how to take what the D gives. Briles and Leach understood that they had to score to put pressure on the other team to stay competitive with better stocked teams.

The part Briles couldn't figure out in the era he coached was the D, he had to bring in borderline character guys. Briles would excel in this era of NIL, he could compete better on the recruiting trail. The one thing Briles could do better than Aranda or Grimes is identify talent that could translate to the B12.
Not saying I was satisfied with Briles defense , but when you have an offense that scores ,on average, in less than two minutes, you really need MORE depth on defense that teams who score with drives that last 5 minutes or more. That is a tall order, but Briles was getting closer to being able to do that when the sh-- hit the fan.


He got to where we put the pressure on the other team to react. Was it perfect, no. But he had Baylor in the discussion as a threat to win it all. That never happened before or since.
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11:24a, 9/30/23
Is this an opinion piece or an infomercial?
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12:26p, 9/30/23
Here's a fact. If you score more on your possessions than the other team does on their possessions you almost always win.
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10:06a, 10/8/23
Let's revisit this article:
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In reply to Quinton • 10:11a, 10/8/23
Quinton said:
These are the same folks who are notoriously wrong in prognostications and predictions over and over again. Why would you lend any of the "analysis" credence. And thats no disrespect.. just reality.

Even if it "worked," would still be a dull limited system.


100%
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10:13a, 10/8/23
Hopeful, because when you're the worst of the B12, you can't go anywhere but up at some point in the distant future
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In reply to ABC BEAR • 3:37p, 10/8/23
ABC BEAR said:
Is this an opinion piece or an infomercial?
What at Baylor isn't an infomercial?
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In reply to PacificBear • 5:35p, 10/8/23
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Whisky Tango Foxtrot. Are we about to hear how great Steele is too
At least Steele knew to take a knee.
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5:37p, 10/8/23
Mid 3rd quarter we had 3 points. That's it. Pathetic.
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6:52p, 10/8/23
I'm guessing Travis started taking happy pills before writing this, because you'd have to be medicated to be hopeful that Grimes is going to get good.
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8:49p, 10/8/23
Travis must not have looked at the stats in this game to see rushing stats. It took two years of poor recruiting of linemen to get the pourous line that we have today. There was a reason that two line transfers came from BY. Poor recruiting and player selection is a Coach problem. Aranda was not able to maintain the talent stream that Rhule was developing. As soon as Rhule players graduated or left, the cupboard was bare with a few exceptions, but those players couldn't fill all holes left in the line.

To have Reese on the team and get no production from him because the defense is on him at the snap is setting Reese up to transfer to a team that can block at the end of the season. I can't see Aranda turning this around this year, and we will see that on the recruiting trail.

Insanity is defined as doing the same thing and expecting different results. Bill Beall came to Baylor after being DC at LSU with no head coaching experience, and we won 3 games over three seasons. Aranda came to Baylor after being DC at LSU with no head coaching experience, and even though he has more wins with players he did not recruit, he is driving the program over the cliff. Why should we expect any different result unless we are insane?

Corrections in staff need to be made now if there are any expectations of a successful program next year and thereafter. If not we won't be able to attract the athletes we need to be successful. Recruits are watching.
Joined BaylorFans in 1999 under username jumpinjoe. Have always been Jumpinjoe. Proud 4 Year Baylor letterman and 1968 graduate and charter member of Quartermiler U, produced school record in 400 IH.
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9:08p, 10/8/23
This putz still optimistic?
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9:11p, 10/8/23
I just have to laugh at the title, I hope this writer doesnt truly feel optimistic anymore. Time to move on and run what every single Texas High School football team runs on offense, not this crap we have now
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11:19a, 10/9/23
ttt
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