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Disruption Up Front, Discipline on the Back End: Klanderman Talks Defensive Identity

“Everything I’m doing and teaching, I’ve learned through trial and error; some things work for certain types of guys, and some things don’t work for certain types of guys,” Klanderman said.
December 16, 2025
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Last week, news broke that Baylor was set to hire Kansas State defensive coordinator Joe Klanderman for the same position.

Klanderman has a tall task ahead of him, as he looks to retool a Baylor defense that was toward the bottom of the Big 12 in every category, allowing 32.6 points per game, 197.2 rushing yards per game, 194.9 passing yards per game and an opponent third-down conversion rate of 41%.

The new defensive coordinator, however, believes the Bears can get things turned around rather quickly, saying in his introductory press conference on Monday, “There are a lot of hungry players in the building. There are a lot of guys that want to be great. There are a lot of guys that want to do it for the team. There are a lot of guys that want to do it for the university and have a lot of pride in the university, and that’s the best starting point.”

Klanderman continued, “I know that there’s talent here from playing Baylor for years and years. I know that you can attract talent here. I know we can get this thing flipped really quickly. In uncertainty, that’s where you find the most growth and passion. The quality of your life is in direct proportion to how much uncertainty you can handle, and I’m ready to get uncomfortable, so to speak. This opportunity is something humongous. This is something that we can take great leaps quickly, and that’s why I’m excited to get going.”

In each of the last five years, the Wildcats have ranked among the best defenses in the conference and have been inside the top 30 nationally in defensive efficiency with Klanderman as defensive coordinator.

As expected, Dave Aranda will hand over all defensive play-calling duties to Klanderman in 2026, with Aranda expressing his excitement about the prospects of “being a head coach again.” Klanderman, however, still says Aranda will have a hand in working with the defense, whether that’s a small or significant role is to be determined.

“Obviously, his input is very valuable and welcome, but I think in order to get a fresh start, we probably need some changes,” Klanderman said. “That’s not a [knock] at anything that they’ve done here previously, but I just think these guys want to get a new beginning. My interactions with them are that they’re excited about it, and I’m excited to bring it.”

Klanderman was a standout defensive lineman at Minnesota State from 1997 to 2001, but across his 20-plus-year coaching career, he has coached at all three levels on defense. While he didn’t outright confirm it at his press conference on Monday, it’s expected that he will coach safeties this fall, as he’s done in the seven previous seasons at K-State.

“Everything I’m doing and teaching, I’ve learned through trial and error; some things work for certain types of guys, and some things don’t work for certain types of guys,” Klanderman said.

He continued, “I didn’t just take some ideas from some guy that I don’t know that has a great name and use it as my own. I’ve molded them. I’ve changed them. I’ve done it at the linebacker position. I’ve done that in the DB room. I’ve done it up front. I’ve coached at all three levels and been a coordinator since 2007. I’ve done it in a lot of different places in a lot of different ways, and it works.”

Across the last six seasons in Manhattan as the defensive coordinator, Klanderman has learned all the ins and outs of the Big 12, which arguably boasts the most unique collection of offenses in the country. Klanderman’s familiarity across the league should help with a shorter learning curve to prepare for the 2026 season.

“The Big 12 is a wide-open, offensive league and a lot of diversity in the things that you see,” he said. “To be a coordinator in this league, it’s nice to have familiarity. Coach Aranda and I don’t have a history per se, but I think he respected the fact that I’ve been in this league and I know what this league is about. Throughout my body of work, I’ve been able to have some of the best defenses in the league, so I know how to succeed here.” 

Before Kansas State, Klanderman won four FCS National Championships in five years at North Dakota State, coaching defensive backs under head coach Chris Klieman, his mentor in the coaching industry; Klieman just recently retired after six years at the helm of Kansas State.

“Phenomenal people person; he’s one of the best people I know,” Klanderman said of Klieman. “His motto is, ‘I want to impact someone on a daily basis.’ If I’ve taken nothing else from him, and he lived it, that’s it. I owe a lot to that man. I’m so thankful for him, and I hope that I can live up to the standard that he set.”

As for the scheme Klanderman runs, he didn’t get into specific details or styles, but noted that the coverages are simple for the players to understand but look very different to opponents; he also said that the success of the secondary starts up front.

“I want the D-line to be as disruptive as humanly possible. If we can get guys up there that are causing havoc, both in the run game and in the rush, that’s the priority,” Klanderman said.

He added, “I know that sounds like common sense, but one of the things that I’ve been able to do over the years is help the team create turnovers. When people think of that, they think of the DBs and how they’re ball hawks. That’s part of it, but most of those turnovers are created because of a disruptive front.”

Looking ahead to what Klanderman wants his defensive personnel to embody, it begins with a desire to get better and a championship-caliber mentality.

“We’re looking for guys that are hungry; we’re looking for guys that are hungry to learn,” he said. “We’re looking for guys who are about the team. Obviously, it has to fit in with Coach Aranda. He’s the boss. They have to fit with his philosophy, but I think he and I are aligned that way. You’re going to win championships with guys who have championship mindsets — it starts there.”

One of the players on the current roster who is a priority to bring back is rising redshirt senior linebacker Keaton Thomas. Thomas has earned all-conference honors in back-to-back seasons and has totaled 200 tackles in that span; he will be a sure-fire starter next fall if he returns.

“What I’m fired up about is that I think he really loves football; you can tell by the way he talks and that he cares about the team,” Klanderman said of Thomas. “Obviously, you can see a lot of the great things that he does on the field, but what I’d like to help him do is become a better leader, become a more intelligent football leader and help round him out a little bit, so that if he has aspirations to play at the next level, he’s ready.”

As for other players on the roster that Klanderman wants to retain, he didn’t give specific names but said there’s a certain baseline of talent the Bears will need to evaluate, whether on the current roster or in the transfer portal.

“You want to prioritize guys that have the ability to play at this level,” Klanderman said. “My wife might be really hungry, but I don’t want her playing DB for us. There’s certainly a baseline of ability that you have to have, but my point is, they come in all shapes and sizes. If you get the right recipe there, magic can happen.”

Now that Klanderman has started to settle into his new role, all of his attention will be moved to the transfer portal, as the Bears are expected to rebuild most of their defense during the portal window, which runs from Jan. 2 to Jan. 16.

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Disruption Up Front, Discipline on the Back End: Klanderman Talks Defensive Identity

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Bearknuckle
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Klanderman was a homerun hire given the context into which he arrived.

His presser gave me a ray of hope for this season:
  • The Defense will be all his: scheme, play-calling, roster fit
  • Autodidactic Ball-Knower - uses film, not power points, to teach himself new schemes
  • He's demonstrated real adaptability across multiple schemes
  • Spent last year building a new strategy for the new Big 12: KSU's growing pains are our gains
With all that leading into his hire, we've already got a handful of great pieces for him to work with: I thought Key would declare, but if he's going to use his JUCO year to anchor the LB room HELL YEAH that young man is a dawg; our CB room has a great core, and S only needs a few pieces added to take a big leap*. Obviously DL is where he has the most pieces to replace and/or upgrade, and the coaching hire there will be crucial in that effort.

Dave can still provide valuable insights and Chaney is a great recruiter at LB, and Coach G is an OG at DB...we've got a great core defensive staff on paper. If Klanderman gets the right guy for DL coach, and our NIL is sufficient to land him the roster he and his staff need to be competitive, I believe we will see a massive improvement in our Defense in a single year.

Will all of the things happen to line that sequence up? While we won't really know until next Fall, of course, we'll have a damn good idea of if that's even possible within a few more weeks.

Sic 'Em!


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*if Devin Turner is back healthy and if Tyler Turner can take a step forward under Klanderman, we'll be in great shape. In that same vein Coach K could very well help Micah Gifford have a breakout season. I also hope we can count on a healthy CW4, as he's awesome when healthy, but at this point I don't know if that's in the cards. With a few good transfers, our Safety room could rebound pretty dramatically.
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Agreed - great hire - my only disagreement is the "autodidactic" thing - my man, WTH - autodidactic-really? Could we not just say self taught/self-made dude? Otherwise - good post - I am encouraged by the hire.

The whole Dave as DC was a massive failure- another example of throwing crap against the wall and finding it just flopped onto his shoes.
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WA Jim said:

Agreed - great hire - my only disagreement is the "autodidactic" thing - my man, WTH - autodidactic-really? Could we not just say self taught/self-made dude? Otherwise - good post - I am encouraged by the hire.

The whole Dave as DC was a massive failure- another example of throwing crap against the wall and finding it just flopped onto his shoes.


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WA Jim said:

Agreed - great hire - my only disagreement is the "autodidactic" thing - my man, WTH - autodidactic-really? Could we not just say self taught/self-made dude? Otherwise - good post - I am encouraged by the hire.

The whole Dave as DC was a massive failure- another example of throwing crap against the wall and finding it just flopped onto his shoes.


Sorry. Self-taught/self-made is just plebeian. Would sound like someone that graduated from an institution of football.
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Seems good. I'm wondering if he will get an extra title, like Associate or Assistant Head Coach/DC.
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canoso said:

WA Jim said:

Agreed - great hire - my only disagreement is the "autodidactic" thing - my man, WTH - autodidactic-really? Could we not just say self taught/self-made dude? Otherwise - good post - I am encouraged by the hire.

The whole Dave as DC was a massive failure- another example of throwing crap against the wall and finding it just flopped onto his shoes.


Sorry. Self-taught/self-made is just plebeian. Would sound like someone that graduated from an institution of football.

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Bearknuckle said:

Klanderman was a homerun hire given the context into which he arrived.

His presser gave me a ray of hope for this season:
  • The Defense will be all his: scheme, play-calling, roster fit
  • Autodidactic Ball-Knower - uses film, not power points, to teach himself new schemes
  • He's demonstrated real adaptability across multiple schemes
  • Spent last year building a new strategy for the new Big 12: KSU's growing pains are our gains
With all that leading into his hire, we've already got a handful of great pieces for him to work with: I thought Key would declare, but if he's going to use his JUCO year to anchor the LB room HELL YEAH that young man is a dawg; our CB room has a great core, and S only needs a few pieces added to take a big leap*. Obviously DL is where he has the most pieces to replace and/or upgrade, and the coaching hire there will be crucial in that effort.

Dave can still provide valuable insights and Chaney is a great recruiter at LB, and Coach G is an OG at DB...we've got a great core defensive staff on paper. If Klanderman gets the right guy for DL coach, and our NIL is sufficient to land him the roster he and his staff need to be competitive, I believe we will see a massive improvement in our Defense in a single year.

Will all of the things happen to line that sequence up? While we won't really know until next Fall, of course, we'll have a damn good idea of if that's even possible within a few more weeks.

Sic 'Em!


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*if Devin Turner is back healthy and if Tyler Turner can take a step forward under Klanderman, we'll be in great shape. In that same vein Coach K could very well help Micah Gifford have a breakout season. I also hope we can count on a healthy CW4, as he's awesome when healthy, but at this point I don't know if that's in the cards. With a few good transfers, our Safety room could rebound pretty dramatically.

I agree with you on this. I was encouraged by virtually everything I heard from him in his introductory press conference.

I still don't have very high expectations, and my "care factor" is lower than ever entering the 2026 season, but I think our defense will be in much better hands next year with Klanderman on board.
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Most interesting snippet to me from klanderman. In 2021 Baylor and Iowa st had best defense in big 12 with a lot of 3 high safeties. K state copied it to success for two years but then big 12 caught on so they readjusted. I think Dave's scheme got a little behind the curve even though now mostly 2 high. I think Dave finally realized it.

You have to give Dave some credit for eating some humble pie. My goodness. We can all learn something from that. Most people's lives are not up and to the right. The only unusual part about Dave's journey at Baylor is that he's doing it as a head college football coach in 2025.
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For this team to have any semblance of success Dave basically has to step aside and be HC in name only.

Motivational and mental side of the game all have to be handled by the other coaches. Dave can't be anywhere near it as he sucks the energy out.

Hall, Baker, Spav, and the DC can split the motivational side.

Not sure who does the talent evals but Dave needs to be removed from those too. Only our OC, Rb, and Wr coaches seem to have any eye for high D1 talent.

And yes, I actually like the DC hire. Finally have two decent coordinators ten hires in.
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Dave, as a $Millionare figure head only, is Baylor's only chance. .He'll probably still control clock mgmt, going for it on 4th down, and 2pt conversion attempts, which is still too much.
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Ewalker80 said:

Most interesting snippet to me from klanderman. In 2021 Baylor and Iowa st had best defense in big 12 with a lot of 3 high safeties. K state copied it to success for two years but then big 12 caught on so they readjusted. I think Dave's scheme got a little behind the curve even though now mostly 2 high. I think Dave finally realized it.

You have to give Dave some credit for eating some humble pie. My goodness. We can all learn something from that. Most people's lives are not up and to the right. The only unusual part about Dave's journey at Baylor is that he's doing it as a head college football coach in 2025.

Humility has never been a weakness of Dave Aranda. That man has no ego.

My issue with Dave is that he's always searching and never finds the answers. I've never felt he was stubborn or averse to change.
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Quinton said:

For this team to have any semblance of success Dave basically has to step aside and be HC in name only.

Motivational and mental side of the game all have to be handled by the other coaches. Dave can't be anywhere near it as he sucks the energy out.

Hall, Baker, Spav, and the DC can split the motivational side.

Not sure who does the talent evals but Dave needs to be removed from those too. Only our OC, Rb, and Wr coaches seem to have any eye for high D1 talent.

And yes, I actually like the DC hire. Finally have two decent coordinators ten hires in.

Dave just needs to handle the program culture and player retention. That's the one thing he does really well. If he can delegate every football responsibility to qualified staff members, it's not inconceivable that he could have success again. But you shouldn't have to win in spite of your head coach.
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Timbear said:

Dave, as a $Millionare figure head only, is Baylor's only chance. .He'll probably still control clock mgmt, going for it on 4th down, and 2pt conversion attempts, which is still too much.

What you've said here is not without importance. Is it possibly a factor in the constant parade of new coaching staff?
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bear2be2 said:

Quinton said:

For this team to have any semblance of success Dave basically has to step aside and be HC in name only.

Motivational and mental side of the game all have to be handled by the other coaches. Dave can't be anywhere near it as he sucks the energy out.

Hall, Baker, Spav, and the DC can split the motivational side.

Not sure who does the talent evals but Dave needs to be removed from those too. Only our OC, Rb, and Wr coaches seem to have any eye for high D1 talent.

And yes, I actually like the DC hire. Finally have two decent coordinators ten hires in.

Dave just needs to handle the program culture and player retention. That's the one thing he does really well. If he can delegate every football responsibility to qualified staff members, it's not inconceivable that he could have success again. But you shouldn't have to win in spite of your head coach.


Culture doesn't matter when you can't win, especially in the day and age when even mediocre players want six figure salaries.

Retaining players doesn't matter when those players suck or haven't been properly developed. I also don't buy the retaining players argument that I've seen made for Dave when the three best players from his class immediately leave when the president of the university announces that he's coming back
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Youre a clown said:

bear2be2 said:

Quinton said:

For this team to have any semblance of success Dave basically has to step aside and be HC in name only.

Motivational and mental side of the game all have to be handled by the other coaches. Dave can't be anywhere near it as he sucks the energy out.

Hall, Baker, Spav, and the DC can split the motivational side.

Not sure who does the talent evals but Dave needs to be removed from those too. Only our OC, Rb, and Wr coaches seem to have any eye for high D1 talent.

And yes, I actually like the DC hire. Finally have two decent coordinators ten hires in.

Dave just needs to handle the program culture and player retention. That's the one thing he does really well. If he can delegate every football responsibility to qualified staff members, it's not inconceivable that he could have success again. But you shouldn't have to win in spite of your head coach.


Culture doesn't matter when you can't win, especially in the day and age when even mediocre players want six figure salaries.

Retaining players doesn't matter when those players suck or haven't been properly developed. I also don't buy the retaining players argument that I've seen made for Dave when the three best players from his class immediately leave when the president of the university announces that he's coming back

Culture has nothing to do with why we're not winning, though. There are aspects of our program culture that would be huge positives if we could ever just get the football part right. The problem is we've consistently failed on the football front.

If Dave steps out of the day-to-day football grind and hands those responsibilities over to qualified people, there's a chance those culture aspects could actually shine in a winning program. But we haven't been able to get the football part right since 2021.

I think we now have the coordinators in all phases to be successful. We'll know in a few weeks if we can get the talent. If we fix those two things, we have a chance to win with Dave as a CEO type coach. Unfortunately, we've dug ourselves such a deep hole and built such a toxicity around the program with poor results that the margin for error is literally nonexistent. And because Dave has worn out his welcome, it will likely take championship contention to get anyone back on board (myself included) at this point.
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Youre a clown said:

bear2be2 said:

Quinton said:

For this team to have any semblance of success Dave basically has to step aside and be HC in name only.

Motivational and mental side of the game all have to be handled by the other coaches. Dave can't be anywhere near it as he sucks the energy out.

Hall, Baker, Spav, and the DC can split the motivational side.

Not sure who does the talent evals but Dave needs to be removed from those too. Only our OC, Rb, and Wr coaches seem to have any eye for high D1 talent.

And yes, I actually like the DC hire. Finally have two decent coordinators ten hires in.

Dave just needs to handle the program culture and player retention. That's the one thing he does really well. If he can delegate every football responsibility to qualified staff members, it's not inconceivable that he could have success again. But you shouldn't have to win in spite of your head coach.


Culture doesn't matter when you can't win, especially in the day and age when even mediocre players want six figure salaries.

Retaining players doesn't matter when those players suck or haven't been properly developed. I also don't buy the retaining players argument that I've seen made for Dave when the three best players from his class immediately leave when the president of the university announces that he's coming back

And we lost the top of our recruiting class because we decided to call an audible and shift that money to the portal for immediate help. You can make a strong argument that it was a desperation move to abandon our stated emphasis on high school recruiting and development and go all-in on win-now players, and I'd agree. But it was strategic.

This staff knows it's on borrowed time and no longer has the runway to build for the future. They're going all in on 2026 because that's all they have.

But for the third straight year, they've done a great job of avoiding the mass exodus of rostered talent that was predicted here. Can a new defensive staff work with the pieces we're keeping? We'll see. But we're keeping a lot more of our talent than I expected us to off of our third losing season in four years.
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bear2be2 said:

Youre a clown said:

bear2be2 said:

Quinton said:

For this team to have any semblance of success Dave basically has to step aside and be HC in name only.

Motivational and mental side of the game all have to be handled by the other coaches. Dave can't be anywhere near it as he sucks the energy out.

Hall, Baker, Spav, and the DC can split the motivational side.

Not sure who does the talent evals but Dave needs to be removed from those too. Only our OC, Rb, and Wr coaches seem to have any eye for high D1 talent.

And yes, I actually like the DC hire. Finally have two decent coordinators ten hires in.

Dave just needs to handle the program culture and player retention. That's the one thing he does really well. If he can delegate every football responsibility to qualified staff members, it's not inconceivable that he could have success again. But you shouldn't have to win in spite of your head coach.


Culture doesn't matter when you can't win, especially in the day and age when even mediocre players want six figure salaries.

Retaining players doesn't matter when those players suck or haven't been properly developed. I also don't buy the retaining players argument that I've seen made for Dave when the three best players from his class immediately leave when the president of the university announces that he's coming back

Culture has nothing to do with why we're not winning, though. There are aspects of our culture that would be huge positives if we could ever just get the football part right. The problem is we've consistently failed on the football front.

If Dave steps out of the day-to-day football grind and hands those responsibilities over to qualified people, there's a chance those culture aspects could actually shine in a winning program. We've just never been able to get the football part right to date.

I think we now have the coordinators in all phases to be successful. We'll know in a few weeks if we can get the talent. If we fix those two things, we have a chance to win with Dave as a CEO type coach. Unfortunately, we've dug ourselves such a deep hole and built such a toxicity around the program with poor results that the margin for error is literally nonexistent at this point.

I sort of agree here, but I don't think that Dave sucks at development or that he isn't a good motivator. It's that he was trying to be the HC, the playcalling DC, and LB co-coach. That's way too much for anyone to do all of those things well let alone at an elite level. Klanderman said as much in his presser.

You're last sentence is dead on, though. Regardless of who gets what share of the blame, things are at a point where he has to produce a 8+ win season at minimum to retain his job. These fears of 6-6 or worse and a Dave Aranda '27 are simply the ravings of Battered Baylor Fan Syndrome sufferers.
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Bearknuckle said:

bear2be2 said:

Youre a clown said:

bear2be2 said:

Quinton said:

For this team to have any semblance of success Dave basically has to step aside and be HC in name only.

Motivational and mental side of the game all have to be handled by the other coaches. Dave can't be anywhere near it as he sucks the energy out.

Hall, Baker, Spav, and the DC can split the motivational side.

Not sure who does the talent evals but Dave needs to be removed from those too. Only our OC, Rb, and Wr coaches seem to have any eye for high D1 talent.

And yes, I actually like the DC hire. Finally have two decent coordinators ten hires in.

Dave just needs to handle the program culture and player retention. That's the one thing he does really well. If he can delegate every football responsibility to qualified staff members, it's not inconceivable that he could have success again. But you shouldn't have to win in spite of your head coach.


Culture doesn't matter when you can't win, especially in the day and age when even mediocre players want six figure salaries.

Retaining players doesn't matter when those players suck or haven't been properly developed. I also don't buy the retaining players argument that I've seen made for Dave when the three best players from his class immediately leave when the president of the university announces that he's coming back

Culture has nothing to do with why we're not winning, though. There are aspects of our culture that would be huge positives if we could ever just get the football part right. The problem is we've consistently failed on the football front.

If Dave steps out of the day-to-day football grind and hands those responsibilities over to qualified people, there's a chance those culture aspects could actually shine in a winning program. We've just never been able to get the football part right to date.

I think we now have the coordinators in all phases to be successful. We'll know in a few weeks if we can get the talent. If we fix those two things, we have a chance to win with Dave as a CEO type coach. Unfortunately, we've dug ourselves such a deep hole and built such a toxicity around the program with poor results that the margin for error is literally nonexistent at this point.

I sort of agree here, but I don't think that Dave sucks at development or that he isn't a good motivator. It's that he was trying to be the HC, the playcalling DC, and LB co-coach. That's way too much for anyone to do all of those things well let alone at an elite level. Klanderman said as much in his presser.

You're last sentence is dead on, though. Regardless of who gets what share of the blame, things are at a point where he has to produce a 8+ win season at minimum to retain his job. These fears of 6-6 or worse and a Dave Aranda '27 are simply the ravings of Battered Baylor Fan Syndrome sufferers.

Our player development has been atrocious. We haven't developed a single high school recruit into an NFL draft pick in six years. That's awful.
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bear2be2 said:

Bearknuckle said:

bear2be2 said:

Youre a clown said:

bear2be2 said:

Quinton said:

For this team to have any semblance of success Dave basically has to step aside and be HC in name only.

Motivational and mental side of the game all have to be handled by the other coaches. Dave can't be anywhere near it as he sucks the energy out.

Hall, Baker, Spav, and the DC can split the motivational side.

Not sure who does the talent evals but Dave needs to be removed from those too. Only our OC, Rb, and Wr coaches seem to have any eye for high D1 talent.

And yes, I actually like the DC hire. Finally have two decent coordinators ten hires in.

Dave just needs to handle the program culture and player retention. That's the one thing he does really well. If he can delegate every football responsibility to qualified staff members, it's not inconceivable that he could have success again. But you shouldn't have to win in spite of your head coach.


Culture doesn't matter when you can't win, especially in the day and age when even mediocre players want six figure salaries.

Retaining players doesn't matter when those players suck or haven't been properly developed. I also don't buy the retaining players argument that I've seen made for Dave when the three best players from his class immediately leave when the president of the university announces that he's coming back

Culture has nothing to do with why we're not winning, though. There are aspects of our culture that would be huge positives if we could ever just get the football part right. The problem is we've consistently failed on the football front.

If Dave steps out of the day-to-day football grind and hands those responsibilities over to qualified people, there's a chance those culture aspects could actually shine in a winning program. We've just never been able to get the football part right to date.

I think we now have the coordinators in all phases to be successful. We'll know in a few weeks if we can get the talent. If we fix those two things, we have a chance to win with Dave as a CEO type coach. Unfortunately, we've dug ourselves such a deep hole and built such a toxicity around the program with poor results that the margin for error is literally nonexistent at this point.

I sort of agree here, but I don't think that Dave sucks at development or that he isn't a good motivator. It's that he was trying to be the HC, the playcalling DC, and LB co-coach. That's way too much for anyone to do all of those things well let alone at an elite level. Klanderman said as much in his presser.

You're last sentence is dead on, though. Regardless of who gets what share of the blame, things are at a point where he has to produce a 8+ win season at minimum to retain his job. These fears of 6-6 or worse and a Dave Aranda '27 are simply the ravings of Battered Baylor Fan Syndrome sufferers.

Our player development has been atrocious. We haven't developed a single high school recruit into an NFL draft pick in six years. That's awful.

That's not true at all - you and many others just don't give Dave any credit for two years of *continued* development under his watch for the Rhule croots. None of those guys were NFL ready before Dave got to Waco and somehow managed to tread water despite him and Ron Roberts. Instead, they continued developing as players physically and mentally in Aranda's program. It's wild to deny that.

As to why none of Dave's HS croots have gotten drafted yet...that's a combo of our weak NIL strategy from '22-'23, and the Portal era in general. But that will be changing either this spring or next, as there's no way at least one of Josh Cameron, Tevin Williams, Jackie Marshall, or Cole Price don't get drafted even if in a late round. Heck Devyn Bobby has an outside shot too.
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Bearknuckle said:

bear2be2 said:

Bearknuckle said:

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For this team to have any semblance of success Dave basically has to step aside and be HC in name only.

Motivational and mental side of the game all have to be handled by the other coaches. Dave can't be anywhere near it as he sucks the energy out.

Hall, Baker, Spav, and the DC can split the motivational side.

Not sure who does the talent evals but Dave needs to be removed from those too. Only our OC, Rb, and Wr coaches seem to have any eye for high D1 talent.

And yes, I actually like the DC hire. Finally have two decent coordinators ten hires in.

Dave just needs to handle the program culture and player retention. That's the one thing he does really well. If he can delegate every football responsibility to qualified staff members, it's not inconceivable that he could have success again. But you shouldn't have to win in spite of your head coach.


Culture doesn't matter when you can't win, especially in the day and age when even mediocre players want six figure salaries.

Retaining players doesn't matter when those players suck or haven't been properly developed. I also don't buy the retaining players argument that I've seen made for Dave when the three best players from his class immediately leave when the president of the university announces that he's coming back

Culture has nothing to do with why we're not winning, though. There are aspects of our culture that would be huge positives if we could ever just get the football part right. The problem is we've consistently failed on the football front.

If Dave steps out of the day-to-day football grind and hands those responsibilities over to qualified people, there's a chance those culture aspects could actually shine in a winning program. We've just never been able to get the football part right to date.

I think we now have the coordinators in all phases to be successful. We'll know in a few weeks if we can get the talent. If we fix those two things, we have a chance to win with Dave as a CEO type coach. Unfortunately, we've dug ourselves such a deep hole and built such a toxicity around the program with poor results that the margin for error is literally nonexistent at this point.

I sort of agree here, but I don't think that Dave sucks at development or that he isn't a good motivator. It's that he was trying to be the HC, the playcalling DC, and LB co-coach. That's way too much for anyone to do all of those things well let alone at an elite level. Klanderman said as much in his presser.

You're last sentence is dead on, though. Regardless of who gets what share of the blame, things are at a point where he has to produce a 8+ win season at minimum to retain his job. These fears of 6-6 or worse and a Dave Aranda '27 are simply the ravings of Battered Baylor Fan Syndrome sufferers.

Our player development has been atrocious. We haven't developed a single high school recruit into an NFL draft pick in six years. That's awful.

That's not true at all - you and many others just don't give Dave any credit for two years of *continued* development under his watch for the Rhule croots. None of those guys were NFL ready before Dave got to Waco and somehow managed to tread water despite him and Ron Roberts. Instead, they continued developing as players physically and mentally in Aranda's program. It's wild to deny that.

As to why none of Dave's HS croots have gotten drafted yet...that's a combo of our weak NIL strategy from '22-'23, and the Portal era in general. But that will be changing either this spring or next, as there's no way at least one of Josh Cameron, Tevin Williams, Jackie Marshall, or Cole Price don't get drafted even if in a late round. Heck Devyn Bobby has an outside shot too.

Aranda doesn't get credit for players who were two and three years into their college careers when he arrived. And if it was Dave who was responsible for that development, it would have shown in a single one of the high school players that he brought to campus. He has not only not been able to turn any of "his" guys into NFL draft picks, he's struggled to even turn them into above-average Big 12 starters. Other than Cameron, that list of "NFL hopefuls" is a joke. None of those guys were even good (ie. all-Big 12 caliber) college players.

Our player development has been pitiful any way you slice it. Since Aranda has run out of Rhule recruits and Ika, who he brought with him from LSU, he has put a consistently poor product on the field. A six-game stretch at the end of 2024 is the only good run over the last four years, and our talent level has noticeably dropped from what he inherited from Rhule.
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bear2be2 said:

Bearknuckle said:

bear2be2 said:

Bearknuckle said:

bear2be2 said:

Youre a clown said:

bear2be2 said:

Quinton said:

For this team to have any semblance of success Dave basically has to step aside and be HC in name only.

Motivational and mental side of the game all have to be handled by the other coaches. Dave can't be anywhere near it as he sucks the energy out.

Hall, Baker, Spav, and the DC can split the motivational side.

Not sure who does the talent evals but Dave needs to be removed from those too. Only our OC, Rb, and Wr coaches seem to have any eye for high D1 talent.

And yes, I actually like the DC hire. Finally have two decent coordinators ten hires in.

Dave just needs to handle the program culture and player retention. That's the one thing he does really well. If he can delegate every football responsibility to qualified staff members, it's not inconceivable that he could have success again. But you shouldn't have to win in spite of your head coach.


Culture doesn't matter when you can't win, especially in the day and age when even mediocre players want six figure salaries.

Retaining players doesn't matter when those players suck or haven't been properly developed. I also don't buy the retaining players argument that I've seen made for Dave when the three best players from his class immediately leave when the president of the university announces that he's coming back

Culture has nothing to do with why we're not winning, though. There are aspects of our culture that would be huge positives if we could ever just get the football part right. The problem is we've consistently failed on the football front.

If Dave steps out of the day-to-day football grind and hands those responsibilities over to qualified people, there's a chance those culture aspects could actually shine in a winning program. We've just never been able to get the football part right to date.

I think we now have the coordinators in all phases to be successful. We'll know in a few weeks if we can get the talent. If we fix those two things, we have a chance to win with Dave as a CEO type coach. Unfortunately, we've dug ourselves such a deep hole and built such a toxicity around the program with poor results that the margin for error is literally nonexistent at this point.

I sort of agree here, but I don't think that Dave sucks at development or that he isn't a good motivator. It's that he was trying to be the HC, the playcalling DC, and LB co-coach. That's way too much for anyone to do all of those things well let alone at an elite level. Klanderman said as much in his presser.

You're last sentence is dead on, though. Regardless of who gets what share of the blame, things are at a point where he has to produce a 8+ win season at minimum to retain his job. These fears of 6-6 or worse and a Dave Aranda '27 are simply the ravings of Battered Baylor Fan Syndrome sufferers.

Our player development has been atrocious. We haven't developed a single high school recruit into an NFL draft pick in six years. That's awful.

That's not true at all - you and many others just don't give Dave any credit for two years of *continued* development under his watch for the Rhule croots. None of those guys were NFL ready before Dave got to Waco and somehow managed to tread water despite him and Ron Roberts. Instead, they continued developing as players physically and mentally in Aranda's program. It's wild to deny that.

As to why none of Dave's HS croots have gotten drafted yet...that's a combo of our weak NIL strategy from '22-'23, and the Portal era in general. But that will be changing either this spring or next, as there's no way at least one of Josh Cameron, Tevin Williams, Jackie Marshall, or Cole Price don't get drafted even if in a late round. Heck Devyn Bobby has an outside shot too.

Aranda doesn't get credit for players who were two and three years into their college careers when he arrived. And if it was Dave who was responsible for that development, it would have shown in a single one of the high school players that he brought to campus. He has not only not been able to turn any of "his" guys into NFL draft picks, he's struggled to even turn them into above-average Big 12 starters. Other than Cameron, that list of "NFL hopefuls" is a joke. None of those guys were even good (ie. all-Big 12 caliber) college players.

Our player development has been pitiful any way you slice it. Since Aranda has run out of Rhule recruits and Ika, who he brought with him from LSU, he has put a consistently poor product on the field. A six-game stretch at the end of 2024 is the only good run over the last four years, and our talent level has noticeably dropped from what he inherited from Rhule.

Marshall, Bobby, and Price were all Big-12 honorable mentions, so they were pretty far from busts - in fact they were good. If Williams keeps progressing next year, he's got a great shot at the league.
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This is the correct take. Dave has several glaring issues. His biggest is player development. He can't develop worth a ***** And the draft results all but speak for themselves. Cameron/Trigg/Sawyer are the only realistic draft picks I see. And 2 of those are far from locks. You could also argue that a good amount of players on the defensive side have actually gotten worse a their careers at BU progressed under Dave

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IowaBear said:

You could also argue that a good amount of players on the defensive side have actually gotten worse a their careers at BU progressed under Dave

I'm guessing you have Caden Jenkins top of mind here. Who else would you add to the list to get to a 'good amount'?
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Marshall, Lanz, Kyler Jordan all come to mind from this years squad.
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Marshall, Lanz, Kyler Jordan all come to mind from this years squad.

Marshall played through injury for most of the season - literally left the Auburn game in the 1st quarter and never seemed to regain complete health again this season. He played in 1 less game total (the bowl game obvs) and even accounting for that played fewer snaps than last year - that's why his production totals are worse. He nonetheless made lots of great plays, his technique has gotten better every season, etc.

Lanz had to take on a tweener NT role for two seasons. For him to have 'gotten worse', we have to assume he was an NFL caliber DT and the switch to NT derailed his potential at DT. Would he have been a better DT this year if he'd always have been a DT? We don't know, but obviously it's a debatable topic. Bottom line, he was never a pass rush specialist and played his role really well this year, so claiming he got worse makes no sense to me.

Kyler Jordan is an extremely bright young man and plays with the heart of a lion. He was also a 3-star who's other biggest offers as an HS senior were Texas Tech (3 years before they started going HAM on NIL), WVU, Cincy and Arizona. His production has stayed relatively flat not because of he has 'gotten worse' but because of usage - he's always been the #3 EDGE option at best. He's also gotten better every year and is a heck of a run stopper who can provide a little QB pressure too.
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We're going to have to agree to disagree. We obviously have different viewpoints when we watch the defense on Saturdays
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IowaBear said:

We're going to have to agree to disagree. We obviously have different viewpoints when we watch the defense on Saturdays

fair enough. FWIW, none of the players you mentioned were responsible for our biggest problem - run fits by the secondary. That issue directly led to most of the game-breaking TDs we gave up.
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Bearknuckle said:

IowaBear said:

We're going to have to agree to disagree. We obviously have different viewpoints when we watch the defense on Saturdays

fair enough. FWIW, none of the players you mentioned were responsible for our biggest problem - run fits by the secondary. That issue directly led to most of the game-breaking TDs we gave up.


I'm not sure if AI knows this but the secondary should not be responsible for making tackles on running plays
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Smashmouth said:

Bearknuckle said:

IowaBear said:

We're going to have to agree to disagree. We obviously have different viewpoints when we watch the defense on Saturdays

fair enough. FWIW, none of the players you mentioned were responsible for our biggest problem - run fits by the secondary. That issue directly led to most of the game-breaking TDs we gave up.


I'm not sure if AI knows this but the secondary should not be responsible for making tackles on running plays


Exactly - you know your team has big problems when the leading tacklers are Safeties!
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Smashmouth said:

Bearknuckle said:

IowaBear said:

We're going to have to agree to disagree. We obviously have different viewpoints when we watch the defense on Saturdays

fair enough. FWIW, none of the players you mentioned were responsible for our biggest problem - run fits by the secondary. That issue directly led to most of the game-breaking TDs we gave up.


I'm not sure if AI knows this but the secondary should not be responsible for making tackles on running plays


Safeties having run fit assignments is definitely a very uncommon tactic - NO ONE does it, like routinely. Great post that shows Dave's failings and your superior ball knowledge.

"AI" lmao gtfo did you watch our games
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