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David Smoak: Dear Baylor Nation

October 4, 2018
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David Smoak of ESPN Central Texas explains his feelings on the support that should be given to the Baylor football players throughout the remaining games of the 2018 football season.

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David Smoak: Dear Baylor Nation

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In reply to EvilTroyAndAbed • 1:14p, 10/5/18
EvilTroyAndAbed said:
cowboycwr said:
should be given... yeah stopped after that. Teams like everyone else have to earn support, respect, etc.

I "shouldn't" have to financially support a loser of a coach/program.
Then leave. No one is forcing you to stay.
Dude. Your "jump on the sunshine train or get the Hell out" approach is not helping. There are a whole lot of frustrated alums out there right now based on everything that has happened and is STILL happening. I agree that none of this mess is Coach Rhule's fault, but in Big Boy football, he should expect some criticism from the fan base if results are less than favorable. Personally, I am expecting the worst and hoping for the best. I think he can still turn this thing around and am pulling for him, but he had better start pretty quick.
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1:18p, 10/5/18
Baylor University is more than a football game, and to imply that by not supporting and being a fan of Baylor University by not attending football games is wrong. I am a staunch supporter and fan of Baylor University, and have been all my life, but I am also a staunch fan of other sports and Baylor organizations and performances.

During life, you will need a graduate of Baylor University that became a doctor, nurse, dentist, lawyer, CPA, fireman, policeman, and many other disciplines. Whenever will you need the skills a football player can bring into your life, unless it is through their using their scholarship to become one of the above needed professions?

So if you are a fan of Baylor, do you attend orchestra or choir concerts put on by Baylor school of music? If not, how can you say you are all in as a fan of Baylor University?

I am a fan and supporter of Baylor Track and Field, and attend as many track meets as I can. To call me a fair weather fan of Baylor University is uncalled for or to imply that there is something in my genes that is wrong, is an insult because I am not at football games. I don't see 40,000 clamoring to get into the Hart complex at the Michael Johnson meet, so using Smoaky's logic, where are the Baylor fans supporting its athletes? Baylor is not a football institution, but an institution that has a football team, among others.

Other students and alumni feel the same if their interests lie elsewhere. How else can you explain that about half of the student body shows up at games, which is based on the school setting aside 8,000 tickets, and not 16,000 tickets, for students? There is more to Baylor University than football, but to have football provide such an embarrassment to the alumni as has occurred, football needs to clean up its act, and as a fan of Baylor University, that is what I would want to see happen. Quite frankly, it appears to be happening with Rhule, and it will take time.

Football has borne the brunt of this university wide scandal because the described incidences of sexual assault by football players are disgusting. Its unfortunate that the current student players have to bear the brunt from past problems, but it is also unfortunate to label Baylor fans and life time supporters in a box that is untrue.

Just in case you do not know me, my legacy include four generations attending Baylor, 16 B letters earned by 5 athletes in four sports, and 19 graduates covering 4 generations going to Baylor, including my three brothers and three children and their spouses.
Joined BaylorFans in 1999 under username jumpinjoe. Have always been Jumpinjoe. Proud 4 Year Baylor letterman and 1968 graduate and charter member of Quartermiler U, produced school record in 400 IH.
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In reply to RegentCoverup • 1:34p, 10/5/18
TellMeYouLoveMe said:
cowboycwr said:
EvilTroyAndAbed said:
cowboycwr said:
should be given... yeah stopped after that. Teams like everyone else have to earn support, respect, etc.

I "shouldn't" have to financially support a loser of a coach/program.
Then leave. No one is forcing you to stay.
I like it here. I think I will stay.

No one is forcing you to read my posts....

See how that works.
Fair enough. No one seems to mind me calling you a *****, cowgirl.
LOL. Great comeback. I see it took you several days to come up with that to be able to come and defend your boyfriend. Come say that to my face and get out from behind your keyboard.
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In reply to Dia del DougO • 1:52p, 10/5/18
Dia del DougO said:
I agree with what you were saying about needing optimism. It was part of my post. You have to have some kind of good feeling, even if you aren't winning, to keep showing up. I think a lot of people just aren't feeling it because of football.

If it were a Briles fan exodus, it would have had a much larger impact over the last two years when the wound was fresh, not three years later.

Now it's about football not being so much fun, or even hopeful. I just think it's that simple, for the most part. If Baylor starts showing something good, more people will come back.

That's the way football fan go.


This.

Then again, we'd have renewed our tickets again if they weren't going to reseat us next year for no reason. That told me they don't value my 8 seasons of tickets so I don't value my 9th.
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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 1:56p, 10/5/18
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Dia del DougO said:
Dude, were you at any games during the late Steele years?

Today's crowds look like Times Square on New Years Eve compared to that.
The case was full many times during the late Steele years. Sometimes they were dressed maroon, or red, or crimson or...


Absolutely true. They all packed the 'Case to party at the weekly beat down of the hapless Bears.
But, one Saturday afternoon, to the horror of the jumbo shrimp folks, an airplane with a banner circled above.
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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 3:35p, 10/5/18
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Dia del DougO said:
Dude, were you at any games during the late Steele years?

Today's crowds look like Times Square on New Years Eve compared to that.
The case was full many times during the late Steele years. Sometimes they were dressed maroon, or red, or crimson or...
This, took my son to watch us vs neby when he was six. By the time we got home he was yelling Go Big Red because thats all we heard the entire game.

I started watching BU football from Reedy on forward, losing sucked but I was young a proud of BU. Now Im older and impatient, I can afford to take my business elsewhere. I still love Baylor, but we have our differences.

After UTSA last year the kids stopped going because their friends families stopped going. All out of frustration from the football we were watching. Since then we've seen some great football at other in Texas and around.

Lifes getting shorter for me, no point in wasting my Saturdays upset.
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In reply to Wwbear • 4:01p, 10/5/18
Wwbear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Dia del DougO said:
Dude, were you at any games during the late Steele years?

Today's crowds look like Times Square on New Years Eve compared to that.
The case was full many times during the late Steele years. Sometimes they were dressed maroon, or red, or crimson or...
This, took my son to watch us vs neby when he was six. By the time we got home he was yelling Go Big Red because thats all we heard the entire game.

I started watching BU football from Reedy on forward, losing sucked but I was young a proud of BU. Now Im older and impatient, I can afford to take my business elsewhere. I still love Baylor, but we have our differences.

After UTSA last year the kids stopped going because their friends families stopped going. All out of frustration from the football we were watching. Since then we've seen some great football at other in Texas and around.

Lifes getting shorter for me, no point in wasting my Saturdays upset.
I don't agree with everything you say but I get it and I 100% agree with your last statement I bolded...I am 61 and by gosh the older I get the more I realize how precious life is and how limited are time is so I just do not do things I don't like or want to do anymore...it is not worth my time. I had been playing in a lold man tennis league one night a week for the last 5 years...I got to dreading going to play because there were other things I wanted to do, my knee started hurting from the lateral movement on those hard surfaced CRTs so I just quit. Now I joined the Church choir and go to practice once a week instead.

Kids claim it is Grumpy old man syndrome but to heck with doing marginal stuff or stuff we don't like in our free time.

I have lots of clients who pay me money to do lots of non fun stuff but hey that's work and I get paid...why do we fill our spare time, free time with anything we don't really like or enjoy?
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In reply to Eball • 4:09p, 10/5/18
Eball said:
Wwbear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Dia del DougO said:
Dude, were you at any games during the late Steele years?

Today's crowds look like Times Square on New Years Eve compared to that.
The case was full many times during the late Steele years. Sometimes they were dressed maroon, or red, or crimson or...
This, took my son to watch us vs neby when he was six. By the time we got home he was yelling Go Big Red because thats all we heard the entire game.

I started watching BU football from Reedy on forward, losing sucked but I was young a proud of BU. Now Im older and impatient, I can afford to take my business elsewhere. I still love Baylor, but we have our differences.

After UTSA last year the kids stopped going because their friends families stopped going. All out of frustration from the football we were watching. Since then we've seen some great football at other in Texas and around.

Lifes getting shorter for me, no point in wasting my Saturdays upset.


I have lots of clients who pay me money to do lots of non fun stuff but hey that's work and I get paid...why do we fill our spare time, free time with anything we don't really like or enjoy?


This I can 100% agree with.
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11:14a, 10/8/18
I agree with Smoak. These players (especially the Seniors) have endured so much that had nothing to do with them. So much of the past two - three years of the scandal have thrust 18 - 22 year-olds into the spotlight that has been of the making of some bad actors (some have been convicted) as well as bad leadership.

To me, the BOR has demonstrated such a lack of leadership. Our roots as a university are Baptist, and in my mind, the BOR has and continues to act/operate like a dysfunctional Baptist convention. It's the 21st Century, and Baylor needs to let go of the past and require compelling leadership from its BOR. It's time to move forward with great leadership. We have very smart people on the BOR many of whom lead very large corporations. If they ran their businesses like the BOR as a whole has run Baylor in recent years, they most likely would not continue to be in business.

I say, build bridges amongst all of Baylor Nation through truth-telling and transparency. Drive the BOR to re-set its structure, leadership, and vision. Allow Dr. Livingstone, Mack Rhoades, and Matt Rhule to do their jobs. A culture of trust is what Baylor needs right now, and it starts at the top with the BOR.
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In reply to Bear in AL • 12:33p, 10/8/18
Bear in AL said:
I agree with Smoak. These players (especially the Seniors) have endured so much that had nothing to do with them. So much of the past two - three years of the scandal have thrust 18 - 22 year-olds into the spotlight that has been of the making of some bad actors (some have been convicted) as well as bad leadership.

To me, the BOR has demonstrated such a lack of leadership. Our roots as a university are Baptist, and in my mind, the BOR has and continues to act/operate like a dysfunctional Baptist convention. It's the 21st Century, and Baylor needs to let go of the past and require compelling leadership from its BOR. It's time to move forward with great leadership. We have very smart people on the BOR many of whom lead very large corporations. If they ran their businesses like the BOR as a whole has run Baylor in recent years, they most likely would not continue to be in business.

I say, build bridges amongst all of Baylor Nation through truth-telling and transparency. Drive the BOR to re-set its structure, leadership, and vision. Allow Dr. Livingstone, Mack Rhoades, and Matt Rhule to do their jobs. A culture of trust is what Baylor needs right now, and it starts at the top with the BOR.
I don't disagree with anything you said. I just hope these aren't your expectations.
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3:26p, 10/8/18
It isn't the fans that are punishing these players that had nothing to do with any past scandals. It's the Baylor heads who didn't handle their situation properly so that these players are about to be penalized for their own past bumbling and mishandling of the situation. We'll see what the NCAA has in store for them.
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3:47p, 10/8/18
I had season tickets since 2010, but with two in college and the last one playing varsity football, traveling 5 hours one-way to Waco just got pushed out. I'll renew once I get the first two out of college.
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3:58p, 10/8/18
Win and more people show up. It's really that simple.
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