BellCountyBear said:

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I don't remember all the details as to why the independent alumni association went belly up. But it seems odd that there is not an official/active Baylor Alumni Association anymore. Any ideas?

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drahthaar said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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I don't remember all the details as to why the independent alumni association went belly up. But it seems odd that there is not an official/active Baylor Alumni Association anymore. Any ideas?

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1.) Troll often?
2.) It didn't "go belly up".
3.) There is an alumni organization within BU.
4.) Don't be expecting Ezekiel's bones to rise here, though you may drag out more trolls.

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BellCountyBear said:

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drahthaar said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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I don't remember all the details as to why the independent alumni association went belly up. But it seems odd that there is not an official/active Baylor Alumni Association anymore. Any ideas?

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1.) Troll often?
2.) It didn't "go belly up".
3.) There is an alumni organization within BU.
4.) Don't be expecting Ezekiel's bones to rise here, though you may drag out more trolls.

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You can go eat a whole bag of dicks.

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Stranger said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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drahthaar said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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I don't remember all the details as to why the independent alumni association went belly up. But it seems odd that there is not an official/active Baylor Alumni Association anymore. Any ideas?

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1.) Troll often?
2.) It didn't "go belly up".
3.) There is an alumni organization within BU.
4.) Don't be expecting Ezekiel's bones to rise here, though you may drag out more trolls.

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You can go eat a whole bag of dicks.

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I personally can't visualize a bag of dicks. That must be a millennial slang.

There were literally thousands of posts about this shameful chapter of Baylor history. Most of this got flushed with the demise of baylorfans.com.

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drahthaar said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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I don't remember all the details as to why the independent alumni association went belly up. But it seems odd that there is not an official/active Baylor Alumni Association anymore. Any ideas?

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1.) Troll often?
2.) It didn't "go belly up".
3.) There is an alumni organization within BU.
4.) Don't be expecting Ezekiel's bones to rise here, though you may drag out more trolls.

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atomicblast said:

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drahthaar said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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I don't remember all the details as to why the independent alumni association went belly up. But it seems odd that there is not an official/active Baylor Alumni Association anymore. Any ideas?

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1.) Troll often?
2.) It didn't "go belly up".
3.) There is an alumni organization within BU.
4.) Don't be expecting Ezekiel's bones to rise here, though you may drag out more trolls.

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They do a poor job of advertisement. Why cant we get something catchy like the Texas Exs?

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Time to put away childish things. I did so after May of 2015. Life goes on. Life is good.

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Pecos 45 said:

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Two things:
1) It was without a doubt one of the sorriest and most embarrassing things in Baylor history.
2) They destroyed a decades-old institution, and tore down a building, over a few people getting their feelings hurt.

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Fat Daddy said:

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In my opinion, if it is receiving funds from the university, it isn't independent. When you start biting the hand that feeds you, the hand stops feeding you.

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william said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Time to put away childish things. I did so after May of 2015. Life goes on. Life is good.

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'Time to put away childish things.' - Mac Davis (to Nick Nolte)

- KKM

{ needing more coffee }

I think that's right.....

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william said:

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william said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Time to put away childish things. I did so after May of 2015. Life goes on. Life is good.

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'Time to put away childish things.' - Mac Davis (to Nick Nolte)

- KKM

{ needing more coffee }

I think that's right.....

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Fat Daddy said:

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SMack said:

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I don't know if hurt feelings caused the dismantling of the BAA, but I know the results.

Back in the 1990s, Baylor made its board of regents self-perpetuating to prevent a possible "takeover" by so-called fundamentalists. It still allowed, and allows, the Texas Baptists to select a minority of the board members, but a majority of replacement members are selected by the board itself.

The only significant check on the board's power was the independent alumni association. The association was to be partially funded by the university, and lists of graduates were to be provided so the BAA so they recruit new members.

The independence of the Baylor Alumni Association was key. Although it had no real power, it could marshal the resources of the alumni/donor base to exert pressure on the university if there were indications of the board not acting in the best interest of Baylor.

I'm sure there were people in the BAA that had alternate agendas, but losing the independent voice was a major breach, in my opinion.

It would allow the board to operate without transparency, and act in the board's interest, without regard for the university's well-being.

Of course, that's only a hypothetical -- it would probably never happen.

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In my opinion, if it is receiving funds from the university, it isn't independent. When you start biting the hand that feeds you, the hand stops feeding you.

I know of friendships that didn't survive the debacle … hopefully they have restored friendships now, but I don't know.

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drahthaar said:

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Fat Daddy said:

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SMack said:

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I don't know if hurt feelings caused the dismantling of the BAA, but I know the results.

Back in the 1990s, Baylor made its board of regents self-perpetuating to prevent a possible "takeover" by so-called fundamentalists. It still allowed, and allows, the Texas Baptists to select a minority of the board members, but a majority of replacement members are selected by the board itself.

The only significant check on the board's power was the independent alumni association. The association was to be partially funded by the university, and lists of graduates were to be provided so the BAA so they recruit new members.

The independence of the Baylor Alumni Association was key. Although it had no real power, it could marshal the resources of the alumni/donor base to exert pressure on the university if there were indications of the board not acting in the best interest of Baylor.

I'm sure there were people in the BAA that had alternate agendas, but losing the independent voice was a major breach, in my opinion.

It would allow the board to operate without transparency, and act in the board's interest, without regard for the university's well-being.

Of course, that's only a hypothetical -- it would probably never happen.

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In my opinion, if it is receiving funds from the university, it isn't independent. When you start biting the hand that feeds you, the hand stops feeding you.

I know of friendships that didn't survive the debacle … hopefully they have restored friendships now, but I don't know.

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Funds received from the university were for contracted services by the BAA, and not "undesignated" monies to be used at the discretion of the organization. Abner and Herb designed this as an arms-length relationship without the university operating or interfering with the BAA's operations. But always the university had great influence. It was a different time with different characters who made this relationship work reasonably well. Personal agendas were never allowed to be the driving force in the relationship.

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Fat Daddy said:

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drahthaar said:

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Fat Daddy said:

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SMack said:

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I don't know if hurt feelings caused the dismantling of the BAA, but I know the results.

Back in the 1990s, Baylor made its board of regents self-perpetuating to prevent a possible "takeover" by so-called fundamentalists. It still allowed, and allows, the Texas Baptists to select a minority of the board members, but a majority of replacement members are selected by the board itself.

The only significant check on the board's power was the independent alumni association. The association was to be partially funded by the university, and lists of graduates were to be provided so the BAA so they recruit new members.

The independence of the Baylor Alumni Association was key. Although it had no real power, it could marshal the resources of the alumni/donor base to exert pressure on the university if there were indications of the board not acting in the best interest of Baylor.

I'm sure there were people in the BAA that had alternate agendas, but losing the independent voice was a major breach, in my opinion.

It would allow the board to operate without transparency, and act in the board's interest, without regard for the university's well-being.

Of course, that's only a hypothetical -- it would probably never happen.

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In my opinion, if it is receiving funds from the university, it isn't independent. When you start biting the hand that feeds you, the hand stops feeding you.

I know of friendships that didn't survive the debacle … hopefully they have restored friendships now, but I don't know.

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Funds received from the university were for contracted services by the BAA, and not "undesignated" monies to be used at the discretion of the organization. Abner and Herb designed this as an arms-length relationship without the university operating or interfering with the BAA's operations. But always the university had great influence. It was a different time with different characters who made this relationship work reasonably well. Personal agendas were never allowed to be the driving force in the relationship.

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Abner's and Herb's kids made it personal…

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BellCountyBear said:

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william said:

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william said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Time to put away childish things. I did so after May of 2015. Life goes on. Life is good.

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'Time to put away childish things.' - Mac Davis (to Nick Nolte)

- KKM

{ needing more coffee }

I think that's right.....

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That these guys portrayed professional football players back in the day is pretty hilarious!

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BellCountyBear said:

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I don't remember all the details as to why the independent alumni association went belly up. But it seems odd that there is not an official/active Baylor Alumni Association anymore. Any ideas?

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Pecos 45 said:

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Two things:
1) It was without a doubt one of the sorriest and most embarrassing things in Baylor history.
2) They destroyed a decades-old institution, and tore down a building, over a few people getting their feelings hurt.

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Proud 1992 Alum said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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I don't remember all the details as to why the independent alumni association went belly up. But it seems odd that there is not an official/active Baylor Alumni Association anymore. Any ideas?

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While less influential, the independent alumni association still exists. Its name was changed to Baylor Line Foundation as part of a settlement with Baylor U. They still publish the Baylor Line magazine as they have for decades.

https://baylorlinefoundation.com/

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BellCountyBear said:

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Proud 1992 Alum said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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I don't remember all the details as to why the independent alumni association went belly up. But it seems odd that there is not an official/active Baylor Alumni Association anymore. Any ideas?

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While less influential, the independent alumni association still exists. Its name was changed to Baylor Line Foundation as part of a settlement with Baylor U. They still publish the Baylor Line magazine as they have for decades.

https://baylorlinefoundation.com/

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I am aware of that, but they don't market themselves well as an independent association. Hell, there aren't even dues! Or stickers! They just put out a magazine.

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Pecos 45 said:

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The thing is, we now have TWO alumni associations when for more than 100 years we only had one.
There's no reason for that.
Combine the two groups, call it the Baylor Alumni Association (they had the name first) and jettison the folks who got their feelings hurt.
Bring in the officers from both groups (unless they were part of the problem to being with.)
Shake hands and make up.

It's really all about a snit fit in the first place, so let's get that behind us, join forces and move ahead.

This entire sorry episode looked ridiculous to those of us who love Baylor, but don't have the deep pockets to buy a megaphone.

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Aliceinbubbleland said:

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Has anyone ever contacted the whatever we call the Alumni Association to try and find lost friends from your years at Baylor. I did, several times, and they had absolutely no clue who I was or who I was inquiring about.

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