The truth is that many half breed cherokees were from the love or rape of frontiersmen. There were no other ladies. I havent found this in my family yet, but Ive read it alot about the time and history and place

My dad came back from Little Rock visiting my aunt and discovered that we are Jamestown descendants of..wait for it...Pocahontas. There are actually about 10k descendants of Pocahontas. She was well documented as far as descendants.

My 8 year old niece was elated. What little girl does not want to claim Pocahontas?

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My dad came back from Little Rock visiting my aunt and discovered that we are Jamestown descendants of..wait for it...Pocahontas. There are actually about 10k descendants of Pocahontas. She was well documented as far as descendants.

My 8 year old niece was elated. What little girl does not want to claim Pocahontas?

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You may be related to Elizabeth Warren!

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Rofl. Yeah, I opted to keep that reference out of my posting.

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You're gonna find out we're cousins on your dad side.

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Cool. I am still going to suck at dancing I bet.

My wife's aunts do research on her side. It is hilarious as they always trace back to someone famous. The best yet is Charlemagne.

I told my wife I would probably get back to Ned the stable boy who died in 1574 when a kick in the head by a horse aggravated a syphilis infection in his brain.

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All I know is I kept seeing the words:

• Sharecropper
• Laborer
• Farmer

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If I buy a test for my brother, can I just use his results for ancestry purposes?

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How do I put this delicately. Uh, your mother might better answer that.

Seriously, you would think they would be identical. But I have read that there can be some variance. Some of the variance is your percentage or range say 2-12% Scandinavian of a particular geographic area. Your brother could be 2-20%.

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Touche'...but no. No worries there.

So, with the same mother and father, we could have variances in the specific ancestry? Interesting. But do you think, theoretically it would at least yield an overall similar result?

I'm not a fan of handing out DNA samples (not on anything less than a blue dress at least), so I was wondering if this would be a shortcut.

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not exactly-
imagine inherited dna with your siblings like sprinkling a bag of skittles into two piles-
each sibling will have more or less inherited from the parents.

I find genealogy and especially dna services very interesting.
Best to get parents tested.
AncestryDNA, FamilyTreeDNA,, and/or 23andme.
Take your raw data results and add 'em to gedmatch, myheritage, other sites.
Still working on finding Merck connection to Prussia/Europe.

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Cool. I am still going to suck at dancing I bet.

My wife's aunts do research on her side. It is hilarious as they always trace back to someone famous. The best yet is Charlemagne.

I told my wife I would probably get back to Ned the stable boy who died in 1574 when a kick in the head by a horse aggravated a syphilis infection in his brain.

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All I know is I kept seeing the words:

• Sharecropper
• Laborer
• Farmer

beside every related name in the census registry, so I pretty much assumed after four descendants there wasn't a relative on the Mayflower.

Now, one of the women probably 'worked' at the Mayflower hotel, but not the same thing obviously.

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I am directly descended from an indentured servant who survived (obviously).

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You're gonna find out we're cousins on your dad side.

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Cool. I am still going to suck at dancing I bet.

My wife's aunts do research on her side. It is hilarious as they always trace back to someone famous. The best yet is Charlemagne.

I told my wife I would probably get back to Ned the stable boy who died in 1574 when a kick in the head by a horse aggravated a syphilis infection in his brain.

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All I know is I kept seeing the words:

• Sharecropper
• Laborer
• Farmer

beside every related name in the census registry, so I pretty much assumed after four descendants there wasn't a relative on the Mayflower.

Now, one of the women probably 'worked' at the Mayflower hotel, but not the same thing obviously.

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I am directly descended from an indentured servant who survived (obviously).

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He's still alive?

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You're gonna find out we're cousins on your dad side.

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Cool. I am still going to suck at dancing I bet.

My wife's aunts do research on her side. It is hilarious as they always trace back to someone famous. The best yet is Charlemagne.

I told my wife I would probably get back to Ned the stable boy who died in 1574 when a kick in the head by a horse aggravated a syphilis infection in his brain.

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All I know is I kept seeing the words:

• Sharecropper
• Laborer
• Farmer

beside every related name in the census registry, so I pretty much assumed after four descendants there wasn't a relative on the Mayflower.

Now, one of the women probably 'worked' at the Mayflower hotel, but not the same thing obviously.

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I am directly descended from an indentured servant who survived (obviously).

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He's still alive?

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Gotta fill in that date of death blank...

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You're gonna find out we're cousins on your dad side.

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Cool. I am still going to suck at dancing I bet.

My wife's aunts do research on her side. It is hilarious as they always trace back to someone famous. The best yet is Charlemagne.

I told my wife I would probably get back to Ned the stable boy who died in 1574 when a kick in the head by a horse aggravated a syphilis infection in his brain.

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All I know is I kept seeing the words:

• Sharecropper
• Laborer
• Farmer

beside every related name in the census registry, so I pretty much assumed after four descendants there wasn't a relative on the Mayflower.

Now, one of the women probably 'worked' at the Mayflower hotel, but not the same thing obviously.

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I am directly descended from an indentured servant who survived (obviously).

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He's still alive?

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Funny. Survived his indentured servitude. His sons survived the American Revolution.

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You're gonna find out we're cousins on your dad side.

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Cool. I am still going to suck at dancing I bet.

My wife's aunts do research on her side. It is hilarious as they always trace back to someone famous. The best yet is Charlemagne.

I told my wife I would probably get back to Ned the stable boy who died in 1574 when a kick in the head by a horse aggravated a syphilis infection in his brain.

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All I know is I kept seeing the words:

• Sharecropper
• Laborer
• Farmer

beside every related name in the census registry, so I pretty much assumed after four descendants there wasn't a relative on the Mayflower.

Now, one of the women probably 'worked' at the Mayflower hotel, but not the same thing obviously.

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I am directly descended from an indentured servant who survived (obviously).

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He's still alive?

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Funny. Survived his indentured servitude. His sons survived the American Revolution.

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Do you know where he was indentured and where in Britain (I presume he came from Britain) he came from?

Descended from an indentured servant as well, his contract was purchased by a guy in Philadelphia. He and his younger brother had been indentured to the captain of the Kukulkan.

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You're gonna find out we're cousins on your dad side.

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Cool. I am still going to suck at dancing I bet.

My wife's aunts do research on her side. It is hilarious as they always trace back to someone famous. The best yet is Charlemagne.

I told my wife I would probably get back to Ned the stable boy who died in 1574 when a kick in the head by a horse aggravated a syphilis infection in his brain.

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All I know is I kept seeing the words:

• Sharecropper
• Laborer
• Farmer

beside every related name in the census registry, so I pretty much assumed after four descendants there wasn't a relative on the Mayflower.

Now, one of the women probably 'worked' at the Mayflower hotel, but not the same thing obviously.

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I am directly descended from an indentured servant who survived (obviously).

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He's still alive?

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Funny. Survived his indentured servitude. His sons survived the American Revolution.

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Do you know where he was indentured and where in Britain (I presume he came from Britain) he came from?

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We don't know if he was brought over as an indentured or orphaned into indentured servitude. He most likely came from Ireland or Scotland as his name is Stinson which is how the Scots pronounced Stevenson.

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You're gonna find out we're cousins on your dad side.

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Cool. I am still going to suck at dancing I bet.

My wife's aunts do research on her side. It is hilarious as they always trace back to someone famous. The best yet is Charlemagne.

I told my wife I would probably get back to Ned the stable boy who died in 1574 when a kick in the head by a horse aggravated a syphilis infection in his brain.

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All I know is I kept seeing the words:

• Sharecropper
• Laborer
• Farmer

beside every related name in the census registry, so I pretty much assumed after four descendants there wasn't a relative on the Mayflower.

Now, one of the women probably 'worked' at the Mayflower hotel, but not the same thing obviously.

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I am directly descended from an indentured servant who survived (obviously).

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He's still alive?

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Funny. Survived his indentured servitude. His sons survived the American Revolution.

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Do you know where he was indentured and where in Britain (I presume he came from Britain) he came from?

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We don't know if he was brought over as an indentured or orphaned into indentured servitude. He most likely came from Ireland or Scotland as his name is Stinson which is how the Scots pronounced Stevenson.

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Interesting -- thanks. I did not know that Stinson derived from Stevenson, but I did have a hint that the Scots have some funny pronunciations. I have a client whose last name is McEachern but he pronounces it as McCann, which he says is the Scottish way.

Do you know approximately what time period when your ancestor arrived here?

First record of him being owned by Constable of Williamsburgh, VA, David Cunningham prior to 1717. Upon Cunningham's death, Alexander Stinson became the property of Susanna Allen in 1720.

It is chronicled in the book, So Obscure a Person by Edna Barney

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First record of him being owned by Constable of Williamsburgh, VA, David Cunningham prior to 1717. Upon Cunningham's death, Alexander Stinson became the property of Susanna Allen in 1720.

It is chronicled in the book, So Obscure a Person by Edna Barney

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I'm finding reviews of it online. Looks interesting.

It's all fun but also never ending and expansive. Example, I located a ton of information about my 4x great grandfather born in the colonies in 1775. His father and mother are unproven though consensus has narrowed it to two persons. I figured, what the hey, I will take a dna test and see which one I am closest to. When purchasing it, I also bought an autosomal dna test. The autosomal has come back. I am a 3-5th cousin ofd one person with my last name and they definitely descend from my 4x great grandfather because they have his family bible in the family.

While waiting on the results, I did a lot of googling and emailed a few of the folks who seemed most active in researching my 4x great grandfather and his kids.... my distant cousins. One was kind enough to send me the excerpt of a book about my 4x great grandfather along with his genealogical work back to 1654 Ireland. He sent me who he had for my 4x great grandfather's parents and of course those above him.

Just last night I was corresponding with my autosomal dna match.and she apparently has done a tremendous amount of research about my 4x great grandfather, his parents, and the historical environment. She seems a very intelligent lady.Imagine my shock when she stated that his parents were the other alternative set of parents.

Descendants of both sets are in a dna research study about my surname, and their dna matched sufficiently to predict that they do share a common ancestor. If enough people pay the extra money to test further mutations, we could sort all this out. But then there is the next person, and the next, and the next. And there will always be someone that we can't get info for.

I've researched one side of my family back to my 9x great grandfather. The Swedish side is much tougher. Went back about 4x

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I've researched one side of my family back to my 9x great grandfather. The Swedish side is much tougher. Went back about 4x

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No kidding. This would be from Arendal, Norway in 1868.



this is my Grandfather Ener (Norwegian was Eno apparently)'s baptism record. His father Magnus was born into debtor's slavery. His parents were purchased from a debtors prison in Sweden while they were teenagers and sent to a farm for a rich landowner. Magnus was born there and ran away when he was 12. He escaped to Norway where he met my ggrandma. Both his parents died in Sweden in their 50s without ever leaving that farm.

My grandad was about a month old when ggdad Magnus and Ingeborg (his mom) immigrated to Texas later in 1868.

Baptism records are about the only records of many Scandinavian countries

So you're saying my family may have sold yours?

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So you're saying my family may have sold yours?

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Ha!

My closest DNA match in the world (in the tested database) lives in Canada.

My 3rd closest DNA match in the world lives in Switzerland.

Both are natives of their country.

Fun.

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My closest DNA match in the world (in the tested database) lives in Canada.

My 3rd closest DNA match in the world lives in Switzerland.

Both are natives of their country.

Fun.

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You know what they call that in Missouri? Free place to stay if you travel there!

My family's car trip west in 1974 cost my dad a whole two night's in motels. Yellowstone then down through California to Disneyland. Grand Canyon, Petrified Forest, Painted Desert. If we had a relative in Northern California, then the Reno to Anaheim leg would have had more than a 70mph view of Yosemite.

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My closest DNA match in the world (in the tested database) lives in Canada.

My 3rd closest DNA match in the world lives in Switzerland.

Both are natives of their country.

Fun.

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You know what they call that in Missouri? Free place to stay if you travel there!

My family's car trip west in 1974 cost my dad a whole two night's in motels. Yellowstone then down through California to Disneyland. Grand Canyon, Petrified Forest, Painted Desert. If we had a relative in Northern California, then the Reno to Anaheim leg would have had more than a 70mph view of Yosemite.

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Lol. Actually, I think we made the same trip in 1970 excluding Yellowstone.

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My closest DNA match in the world (in the tested database) lives in Canada.

My 3rd closest DNA match in the world lives in Switzerland.

Both are natives of their country.

Fun.

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You know what they call that in Missouri? Free place to stay if you travel there!

My family's car trip west in 1974 cost my dad a whole two night's in motels. Yellowstone then down through California to Disneyland. Grand Canyon, Petrified Forest, Painted Desert. If we had a relative in Northern California, then the Reno to Anaheim leg would have had more than a 70mph view of Yosemite.

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Lol. Actually, I think we made the same trip in 1970 excluding Yellowstone.

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Dad's cousin in Lincoln, NE. Mom's uncle in far north Utah where Idaho/Wyoming meet. Logan I think. Up to Yellowstone and back. Then over to Reno. Zero motel/hotel cost.

I hired a geneologist in Germany to research my ancestors. Her responses came back quickly on very thin paper. When I asked for copies of the church records - nothing came for about six months. Her work on thin peper came air post. The copies came surface mail.

FWIW our USPS prices are a bargain compared to prices in many countries.

The test has done me some good. My match descends from a brother of one of the three oeople who might have been my 4x great grandfather based on age and location, and he was my besr guess based on paper with conflicting dates of birth.

My match has given me much info on my 3x and 4x great grandfathers plus on the family of another 3x great grandfather.

It also has helped me learn that Grandma's people may have come from Canada.

And more fun.... I share autosomal dna with about 14 different ancient burials.

My DNA sample is in queue at Ancestry. As one in the Christmas Gift (better than a dang tie or socks) test kits, I bet I won't know anything until April. I need to go in and look at my Ancestry account that I haven't looked at in a decade.

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My DNA sample is in queue at Ancestry. As one in the Christmas Gift (better than a dang tie or socks) test kits, I bet I won't know anything until April. I need to go in and look at my Ancestry account that I haven't looked at in a decade.

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If you decide to upgrade here's a heads up: the billing is not from the African National Congress.

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If I buy a test for my brother, can I just use his results for ancestry purposes?

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It is not exactly the same, you received a different mix of your mother and father's dna than he did. That could impact who shows up as a match because quantity and quality of match is filtered by the matching programs, but for the most part yes.

However, as far as what your ethnic percentages are, triplets could all be tested and would get different results for the reason I just stated. Example, all Europeans have a mix of ancient Middle Eastern Farmers, Germanic hunter gatherers, and Yamnaya Steppe Herders. But the mix is different in different regions, sometimes by a percent or two. If your individual dna is slightly different than your twin's, it may be enough to tell the determining software program that there is a 50.1% chance that piece of your dna is Anglo Saxon British vs 49.9% chance that piece is Germanic while your twin's results show the opposite.

Your results will show that piece as British and your twin's would show Western European or Germany.

If my family history is correct, then I should exceed 3/16th Native Amercan from both sides. I have the oral history which is confirmed by a distant cousin's family profile in a founding family of a county compilation from 50 years ago.

Now I don't expect my results to confirm that percentage. But if my results show zero percentage Native American and some African or Spanish, then I will suspect that my Northeast Alabama ancestor that fled Alabama for Arkansas in the 1830s was not half Cherokee cutting his hair and denying roots (Indians were forbidden by law to own land in Arkansas at that time). This is the family oral history. That he was probably a light skinned black or of Spanish heritage. I think this would be fascinating to discover. I just hope he wasn't French.

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I hired a geneologist in Germany to research my ancestors. Her responses came back quickly on very thin paper. When I asked for copies of the church records - nothing came for about six months. Her work on thin peper came air post. The copies came surface mail.

FWIW our USPS prices are a bargain compared to prices in many countries.

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If my family history is correct, then I should exceed 3/16th Native Amercan from both sides. I have the oral history which is confirmed by a distant cousin's family profile in a founding family of a county compilation from 50 years ago.

Now I don't expect my results to confirm that percentage. But if my results show zero percentage Native American and some African or Spanish, then I will suspect that my Northeast Alabama ancestor that fled Alabama for Arkansas in the 1830s was not half Cherokee cutting his hair and denying roots (Indians were forbidden by law to own land in Arkansas at that time). This is the family oral history. That he was probably a light skinned black or of Spanish heritage. I think this would be fascinating to discover. I just hope he wasn't French.

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I am checking with a genealogy expert on this, but there may be a test to tell for sure assuming no extramarital relations or adoptions since. It won't confirm Cherokee, but if my limited knowledge is correct it will confirm Indian ancestry. Stay tuned until I have confirmation for you.

It will depend on the following though....was the half Cherokee's mother or father an Indian, and are you the son of a son of a son of the original Indian? (insert the appropriate number of generations... it just needs to go up the male side of your paternal line...basically following what most people's surname follows.

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If my family history is correct, then I should exceed 3/16th Native Amercan from both sides. I have the oral history which is confirmed by a distant cousin's family profile in a founding family of a county compilation from 50 years ago.

Now I don't expect my results to confirm that percentage. But if my results show zero percentage Native American and some African or Spanish, then I will suspect that my Northeast Alabama ancestor that fled Alabama for Arkansas in the 1830s was not half Cherokee cutting his hair and denying roots (Indians were forbidden by law to own land in Arkansas at that time). This is the family oral history. That he was probably a light skinned black or of Spanish heritage. I think this would be fascinating to discover. I just hope he wasn't French.

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I am checking with a genealogy expert on this, but there may be a test to tell for sure assuming no extramarital relations or adoptions since. It won't confirm Cherokee, but if my limited knowledge is correct it will confirm Indian ancestry. Stay tuned until I have confirmation for you.

It will depend on the following though....was the half Cherokee's mother or father an Indian, and are you the son of a son of a son of the original Indian? (insert the appropriate number of generations... it just needs to go up the male side of your paternal line...basically following what most people's surname follows.

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Don't know the first and know that there is one and only one Dame in that line. So that's a no go for me.

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If my family history is correct, then I should exceed 3/16th Native Amercan from both sides. I have the oral history which is confirmed by a distant cousin's family profile in a founding family of a county compilation from 50 years ago.

Now I don't expect my results to confirm that percentage. But if my results show zero percentage Native American and some African or Spanish, then I will suspect that my Northeast Alabama ancestor that fled Alabama for Arkansas in the 1830s was not half Cherokee cutting his hair and denying roots (Indians were forbidden by law to own land in Arkansas at that time). This is the family oral history. That he was probably a light skinned black or of Spanish heritage. I think this would be fascinating to discover. I just hope he wasn't French.

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I am checking with a genealogy expert on this, but there may be a test to tell for sure assuming no extramarital relations or adoptions since. It won't confirm Cherokee, but if my limited knowledge is correct it will confirm Indian ancestry. Stay tuned until I have confirmation for you.

It will depend on the following though....was the half Cherokee's mother or father an Indian, and are you the son of a son of a son of the original Indian? (insert the appropriate number of generations... it just needs to go up the male side of your paternal line...basically following what most people's surname follows.

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Don't know the first and know that there is one and only one Dame in that line. So that's a no go for me.

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Then you are out of luck unless you have a cousin that goes through her brother (assuming the Indian was a male).


And had the scenario matched, the test would have worked per the expert.