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Bear8084 said:

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Bear8084 said:

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Brian Ethridge said:

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King Ezekiel lost his ****, all his followers, and Shiva...

Sad day.

Carol remains a badass.

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I think the writers killed them off too easily. They overplayed the power of the machine guns. And little things called sight lines. They supposedly shot through two storage tanks to hit some of the kingdom fighters and there were bullets hitting simultaneously in spots way to spread out to be from two guns.
It also seemed like Shiva after killing the first walker just stood there. I feel like she would have run or jumped out of the way.

It also amazes me how the walkers can do things that are physically impossible to do- tear at flesh to open it up. No way human fingers could penetrate into the skin of another human, dog, horse or tiger as they have done on several occasions.

I get a little fed up with the liberties taken and feel like I watch more out of wanting to catch errors and see how it ends rather than actually being excited and interested in the show at this point.

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Sights lines I could see being an error, but the .50 cals they had are plenty powerful enough to take out a group of people wearing plastic armor or even shoot through storage tanks.

http://www.guns.com/2013/03/06/the-browning-m2-the-mother-of-heavy/

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IT isn't a question of power. It is a question of being able to see. They couldn't even see that there were people there. Let alone shoot them accurately.

Then there is the problem that there were bullets hitting people way to far apart at the same time to be from just two guns. Even with their high fire rate the shooting was way to quick for how spread out the group was.

If it had been a few more seconds it would have been a little more believable. As shown it was not.

Just another example of the writers recreating rules for their purpose.

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It has a firing rate of 400-600 rounds per minute, it is going to happen fast. They are also firing from a mounted position in an elevated spot. And they are firing at a group walking across an open area with no cover. Pretty good cover. How they were placed when filmed could be an issue but where they were for an ambush wasn't unbelievable.

Edit: And I see what you are saying now with the storage tanks. This clip does show one had a pretty good sight on them at least.

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Maybe you are not getting what I am saying.

There is no way to see through objects. So then shooting people they had no vision of is impossible.

Also, even with a high fire rate it is impossible to aim the gun in two or three spots at the same time.

That clip is a little short but shows a littleness of what I'm talking about. People are getting hit at the same time in about 5 different spots.... that is impossible. If there was more delay between it I could understand.

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I get it now, though the one in the clip seemed to have sight of them with little to no obstruction. I do agree it does seem sporadic in their shooting, as a mounted M2HB would be a lot more acurate at that close range and not be all over the place as they showed.

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The king yes. But in the background there are several people behind the obstructions that get shot.

How do we know the Saviours are at Alexandria?

Hated that end. At least they have given everyone a few months to prepare for this particular death in the season premier.

May not be in the mid-season premier. Scott Gimple said that, "The bite will play out like bites do, but he has business to attend to first."

Another episode where the writers ignore previous things.

A few episodes ago we were supposed to believe that the saviors were scared of the 30 workers in the hallway taking over.

Now they have enough men to take out all 3 groups at once....

So which is it? The saviors have enough to take on everyone at once, even after losing several outposts, wasting all those bullets to take out the walkers and enough left to take everyone on?

Or they are scared of the 30 workers in the hallway taking over?

Can't have it both way writers. But then I guess they did it already and everyone bought it.

And multiple guys with a grenade launchers.... but they were worried about the walkers around the sanctuary....

Especially since those grenades are so powerful they can blow an entire house up.....

Maggie finally did what should have been done a long time ago.

They never should have left a handful of snipers. Should have left a **** ton so the saviors couldn't get out. But again then they couldn't write a story because it would be too easy for Rick to win.

And killing off one of the main characters and drastically going against the comics?

So if a Carl dies in the woods and nobody talks about it...did it happen?

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So if a Carl dies in the woods and nobody talks about it...did it happen?

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Frankly, I was tired of Carl a few seasons ago. He did some dumb things and I was ready for him to die a while back. This last season he kinda redeemed himself in my eyes. I'm ready to move on.

On this show, death in the only reward for those with a moral compass.

Finally, Morgan went VERY dark, very quick.

Episode was almost unbearable. Choral coral Coral esque

Interesting episode. Negan and Rick are sort of switching personalities. Negan seems more receptive to Carl's final request than Rick. Why Rick wouldn't just help Jadis or whatever her name is. Not sure why Simon had such a desire to kill all the trash people, to the point he is in a **** lid of trouble when Negan finds out he did it against his order.

A bit behind but just caught up on the last 2 episodes. I don't know why I even watch this anymore. It was just two more episodes of why the writers make it all up as they go.

First in the first five minutes of the season opener the saviors somehow eliminated all the walkers that were inside without alerting the watchers to what was going on. Then they shoot them from the windows in a matter of seconds on full blast and score that many head shots??? Umm no. And one of them was shooting from the hip. In the other series the military couldn't even do that but a bunch of regular people with no formal gun training did?? Yeah right.

Second, why do the trash people talk in broken sentences? Like they forgot how to talk. But then when all her people get killed suddenly she talks normal again. And I find it amazing that she can keep her hair nicely colored in the apocalypse.

Third, who piled up the trash on top of the door to create the trap when Rick walked through? It didn't get messsed up by the saviors as that was behind them when they shot. They couldn't have done it as they wouldn't of been able to set it up and then go out that door.

Fourth, wouldn't just knocking walkers down put them grabbing and biting at your ankles as you run through them?

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Interesting episode. Negan and Rick are sort of switching personalities. Negan seems more receptive to Carl's final request than Rick. Why Rick wouldn't just help Jadis or whatever her name is. Not sure why Simon had such a desire to kill all the trash people, to the point he is in a **** lid of trouble when Negan finds out he did it against his order.

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I think he was just pissed about how it was "his people" being held captive by the Hilltop. That and he seems to really be disagreeing with Negan about letting everyone live instead of just killing them all and starting over with new communities.

Someone on the talking dead a couple of months ago was commenting how her theory was that Simon was the leader of the Saviors or whatever they were called pre-Negan before Negan took them over. That Simon is their deposed leader. This was after the episode in which Negan told Gabriel a little about his past and how he took over the Saviors from a guy who couldnt keep anyone alive etc.

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Episode was almost unbearable. Choral coral Coral esque

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The last few seasons have been unbearable to watch. Amazes me how this show has fallen.

Was a few episodes behind and am in the middle of last nights. Just another example of the show writers changing things to fit their narrative.

1st- during the attack there is no way the saviors could have stood up and shot arrows against guns. There is no way they could have charged in and gotten anywhere with their knives and machetes against guns.

2- when they turned all the lights off and the saviors came around the bus they should have jumped then right then. They were bunched up. One burst from all their guns and they would have dropped them all.

3rd- Negan's Plan of using infected arrows and knives shouldn't work. The fact it is just flies in the face of everything that has happened in every other season.

The reason being is that from the first episode people have gotten walker blood all over them, in their mouths, nose, eyes, etc and never turned.

Heck the cannibals ate a leg from someone bitten and didn't turn- yes they were killed but none of them even got sick.

Edit 2- another example is all during the show people have been cut with weapons that have been used to kill walkers. Rick and Shane cut themselves with knives used to kill walkers. They have wiped blades off and then used the same knife to open food containers. Andrea back in like season 2 or 3 when she was around had zombie blood splash into her eyes.

So the People turning from wounds infected with walker blood is just stupid and is yet again the writers changing rules because they feel like it. To me this is the last straw.

They just make rules up as they go, change them when they want to create a story and ignore all sorts of previous episodes and rules.

Yeah so I can't even finish this episode. The idiot kid let's the saviors out. The writers break the rules. People turn after the infected weapons cut them but they get blood in their eyes, mouths and nose and don't turn.

During the fight none of the dead turned.

They change the rules all the time on how quickly some turn. Tara hasnt turned yet.

Just plain stupidity.

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They change the rules all the time on how quickly some turn. Tara hasnt turned yet.

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There is the possibility that Dwight didn't impregnate his arrows with walker blood. If he did, the she will die.

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Just plain stupidity.

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I don't understand why you still watch. You complain about the reality and the "rules" every episode. It's a freakin' TV show. I'm not watching it to gain Prepper knowledge. I'm watching it to be entertained.

When I lose interest in the show, I will dedicate that 48 minutes (thanks, Tivo) to reading or watching something on Netflix (which has outstanding programming right now.)

Respectfully, move on and enjoy life.

I don't think Dwight infected his weapons. He is against the Saviors, thought Hilltop doesn't know that.

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cowboycwr said:

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They change the rules all the time on how quickly some turn. Tara hasnt turned yet.

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There is the possibility that Dwight didn't impregnate his arrows with walker blood. If he did, the she will die.

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Just plain stupidity.

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I don't understand why you still watch. You complain about the reality and the "rules" every episode. It's a freakin' TV show. I'm not watching it to gain Prepper knowledge. I'm watching it to be entertained.

When I lose interest in the show, I will dedicate that 48 minutes (thanks, Tivo) to reading or watching something on Netflix (which has outstanding programming right now.)

Respectfully, move on and enjoy life.

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After this crap of the last two episodes I am done with the show.

Yes I complain because they do constantly change the "rules" they set up. I don't complain about the reality. Just point out that there is no way even in the fictional world of TWD that certain things can happen.

As to changing the rules here are a few examples for you.

In episode one- walkers climb onto the tank. Never have they climbed since.

Also in episode 1- A walker holds a big rock to smash the store windows, the girl picks up a teddy bear, and a walker sprints and jumps a fence. Never do any of these actions happen again.

That is called changing the rules.

then there is the fire and sound issue that has been changed back and forth... they are attracted to it... then they aren't.... then the next time the writers need it they are attracted to it.

And I have been entertained by the show. Until this season. Now I am just picking up on all the errors and inconsistencies.

But you know what? I might just keep watching and commenting here with complaints just to piss you off because you know what??? That is my right to do so if I feel like it.

Yes it is a TV show. But one can still complain.

It may not be transmitted through muscus membranes such as eyes and mouth. If it gets in the bloodstream through a deep wound, bite or bad scratch, then you are toast. Some errors may also be continuity errors.

For that matter the most glaring contradiction is that if every human already has it, how does getting bitten or being exposed again otherwise make it fatal within hours or a matter of days?

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For that matter the most glaring contradiction is that if every human already has it, how does getting bitten or being exposed again otherwise make it fatal within hours or a matter of days?

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Purely a guess here ...

It's not the "zombie virus" that's the issue. It's an infection or illness that causes the issue. Just like when the flu outbreak several seasons ago at the prison. It weakened their immune system. Without antibiotics, their bodies could not fight off the flu; therefore, they died more rapidly than normal.

Many flaws in the show; however, I'm entertained.

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For that matter the most glaring contradiction is that if every human already has it, how does getting bitten or being exposed again otherwise make it fatal within hours or a matter of days?

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This is so true.

One of the writers (not sure if comics or show) once said that the bite carries a rapid acting virus/infection and that is what kills you.

Which is still a contradiction because again that virus would have to be part of the infection already and thus making ANY wound deadly. Because then how would someone who dies but isn't bitten have that part of the infection?

Coke Bear said:

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PartyBear said:

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For that matter the most glaring contradiction is that if every human already has it, how does getting bitten or being exposed again otherwise make it fatal within hours or a matter of days?

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Purely a guess here ...

It's not the "zombie virus" that's the issue. It's an infection or illness that causes the issue. Just like when the flu outbreak several seasons ago at the prison. It weakened their immune system. Without antibiotics, their bodies could not fight off the flu; therefore, they died more rapidly than normal.

Many flaws in the show; however, I'm entertained.

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That is logical. However that means any wound is deadly and it doesn't need walker blood on the instrument that causes it. Of course it could be that Negan and them don't know that (they aren't scientist) and may have reverted back to medieval type of theories like Walker blood will infect people and make them walkers.

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Coke Bear said:

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PartyBear said:

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For that matter the most glaring contradiction is that if every human already has it, how does getting bitten or being exposed again otherwise make it fatal within hours or a matter of days?

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Purely a guess here ...

It's not the "zombie virus" that's the issue. It's an infection or illness that causes the issue. Just like when the flu outbreak several seasons ago at the prison. It weakened their immune system. Without antibiotics, their bodies could not fight off the flu; therefore, they died more rapidly than normal.

Many flaws in the show; however, I'm entertained.

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That is logical. However that means any wound is deadly and it doesn't need walker blood on the instrument that causes it. Of course it could be that Negan and them don't know that (they aren't scientist) and may have reverted back to medieval type of theories like Walker blood will infect people and make them walkers.

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The problem with that is that it doesn't explain why a bite can kill in a day or hours but other wounds take longer. A true infection can take days and days.

Your second sentence points out the flaw in this. Herschel had a leg amputated and survived for months. Numerous people have had wounds that healed. If it was that the zombie virus made the body unable to heal and that is why a bite kills then any wound would kill.

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Your second sentence points out the flaw in this. Herschel had a leg amputated and survived for months. Numerous people have had wounds that healed. If it was that the zombie virus made the body unable to heal and that is why a bite kills then any wound would kill.

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Yes, it's hard to accept. The only thing that I can surmise is that the blood on the "tainted" weapons has more bacteria.

I don't really worry about the science too much. I think about it without dwelling on it. That's why I just enjoy it as entertainment.

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PartyBear said:

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Coke Bear said:

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PartyBear said:

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For that matter the most glaring contradiction is that if every human already has it, how does getting bitten or being exposed again otherwise make it fatal within hours or a matter of days?

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Purely a guess here ...

It's not the "zombie virus" that's the issue. It's an infection or illness that causes the issue. Just like when the flu outbreak several seasons ago at the prison. It weakened their immune system. Without antibiotics, their bodies could not fight off the flu; therefore, they died more rapidly than normal.

Many flaws in the show; however, I'm entertained.

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That is logical. However that means any wound is deadly and it doesn't need walker blood on the instrument that causes it. Of course it could be that Negan and them don't know that (they aren't scientist) and may have reverted back to medieval type of theories like Walker blood will infect people and make them walkers.

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The problem with that is that it doesn't explain why a bite can kill in a day or hours but other wounds take longer. A true infection can take days and days.

Your second sentence points out the flaw in this. Herschel had a leg amputated and survived for months. Numerous people have had wounds that healed. If it was that the zombie virus made the body unable to heal and that is why a bite kills then any wound would kill.

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I think losing an eye is more severe than a cut. I agree. The writers are setting new rules to make their story work and it is making the show unwatchable.

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cowboycwr said:

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PartyBear said:

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Coke Bear said:

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PartyBear said:

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For that matter the most glaring contradiction is that if every human already has it, how does getting bitten or being exposed again otherwise make it fatal within hours or a matter of days?

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Purely a guess here ...

It's not the "zombie virus" that's the issue. It's an infection or illness that causes the issue. Just like when the flu outbreak several seasons ago at the prison. It weakened their immune system. Without antibiotics, their bodies could not fight off the flu; therefore, they died more rapidly than normal.

Many flaws in the show; however, I'm entertained.

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That is logical. However that means any wound is deadly and it doesn't need walker blood on the instrument that causes it. Of course it could be that Negan and them don't know that (they aren't scientist) and may have reverted back to medieval type of theories like Walker blood will infect people and make them walkers.

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The problem with that is that it doesn't explain why a bite can kill in a day or hours but other wounds take longer. A true infection can take days and days.

Your second sentence points out the flaw in this. Herschel had a leg amputated and survived for months. Numerous people have had wounds that healed. If it was that the zombie virus made the body unable to heal and that is why a bite kills then any wound would kill.

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I think losing an eye is more severe than a cut. I agree. The writers are setting new rules to make their story work and it is making the show unwatchable.

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Exactly. And others have been shot.

The point is they have had wounds and nothing.

They have gotten walker blood in their faces, mouths, in cuts from weapons used to kill walkers and nothing. Now suddenly it is something.

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PartyBear said:

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Coke Bear said:

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PartyBear said:

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For that matter the most glaring contradiction is that if every human already has it, how does getting bitten or being exposed again otherwise make it fatal within hours or a matter of days?

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Purely a guess here ...

It's not the "zombie virus" that's the issue. It's an infection or illness that causes the issue. Just like when the flu outbreak several seasons ago at the prison. It weakened their immune system. Without antibiotics, their bodies could not fight off the flu; therefore, they died more rapidly than normal.

Many flaws in the show; however, I'm entertained.

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That is logical. However that means any wound is deadly and it doesn't need walker blood on the instrument that causes it. Of course it could be that Negan and them don't know that (they aren't scientist) and may have reverted back to medieval type of theories like Walker blood will infect people and make them walkers.

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The problem with that is that it doesn't explain why a bite can kill in a day or hours but other wounds take longer. A true infection can take days and days.

Your second sentence points out the flaw in this. Herschel had a leg amputated and survived for months. Numerous people have had wounds that healed. If it was that the zombie virus made the body unable to heal and that is why a bite kills then any wound would kill.

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True as I was posting I wasn't thinking about that we have seen numerous cuts and gun shot injuries I've the years that did not lead to quick illness and death. Hence the idea that it is just coincidence that Walker bites, scratches, and tainted weapons cause this when everything else does as well isn't a good argument. I still like the show though.

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Zombies

cowboycwr said:

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PartyBear said:

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For that matter the most glaring contradiction is that if every human already has it, how does getting bitten or being exposed again otherwise make it fatal within hours or a matter of days?

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This is so true.

One of the writers (not sure if comics or show) once said that the bite carries a rapid acting virus/infection and that is what kills you.

Which is still a contradiction because again that virus would have to be part of the infection already and thus making ANY wound deadly. Because then how would someone who dies but isn't bitten have that part of the infection?

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Could be like HIV/AIDS. They are not one in the same, but one has to be contracted to cause the other.

trey3216 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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PartyBear said:

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For that matter the most glaring contradiction is that if every human already has it, how does getting bitten or being exposed again otherwise make it fatal within hours or a matter of days?

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This is so true.

One of the writers (not sure if comics or show) once said that the bite carries a rapid acting virus/infection and that is what kills you.

Which is still a contradiction because again that virus would have to be part of the infection already and thus making ANY wound deadly. Because then how would someone who dies but isn't bitten have that part of the infection?

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Could be like HIV/AIDS. They are not one in the same, but one has to be contracted to cause the other.

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They answered that in Atlanta CDC. Everybody has it and becomes a zombie upon death. Now, the fever/death from a bite/blood/other bodily fluids is another subject. Blood splatter and contaminated knives has been answered. The cannibals were very worried about consuming fever/death infected flesh.