The lead gift on a horse barn? What are we talking $500k?57Bear said:
Willis made the lead gift for the Willis Equestrian Center - announced by BU in 2006:
https://www.baylor.edu/mediacommunications/news.php?action=story&story=38544
57Bear said:
Neal T.(Buddy) Jones contributed the long living term: Perverted Little Tarts
Sanctioned? Like what ..... I'm sure there are few that won't be invited back,TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:Yep, some of those Regents, by virtue of ignorance and lack of vision, actually subtract value from Baylor. We just took the hit on a liability that was completely preventable, and now they've gone back to their bunker mentality. What's the point?Redbrickbear said:This is a big issue.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Please, feel free to correct my numbers. https://www.utdallas.edu/development/endowments/endowment-update-fiscal-2018/WILLIS said:
Where do y'all keep getting this $1.2 number... End of 2018, it was 1.31... Probably close to $1.5 if it kept pace with the market.. There is so much bad information on this thread.
https://www.baylor.edu/investments/index.php?id=928665#endowment_size
The UT Dallas endowment is $558 million. It was previously $250 million in 2012. At that rate of growth, they will catch Baylor in approximately 21 years. Baylor is 175 years old, UT-Dallas is ....50 years old.
Bottom line, they have a tremendous growth rate, largely due to successful inflows of capital.
Of course, they aren't saddled with 39 Regents that give nothing to their endowment, so I guess you could say they have an advantage.
If you are gonna sit on the board of Regents and cost Baylor money every time you horribly mismanage a scandal....you should at least be forking over big bucks for our endowment.
Whether we have 12 regents, 39 regents, 120 regents, I don't care, but at the very LEAST, require the regents to give money to Baylor.
I thought many of past problems were that many regents were picked based on giving.
Baylor's big money donors, have for the most part been excellent. Few are better than:
- Paul Foster
- Mark Hurd
- Drayton
- Jim Turner.
Now, part of my reasoning is that some of these fine donors, bring 'other' board experience. So we aren't just getting sources of funds, but people with signifcant board leadership experience.
if we got someone with a net worth north of $500 mil, they could very well be a problem, but that's never happened. We're getting the opposite, we're getting people that haven't donated, but demand control with no accountability. Remember, we have yet to see any regents that were sanctioned as a result of the football scandal. It's like a cocktail party with drunk people holding shotguns.
It's possible, because of privacy, that there are some that have given but we simply don't know.
How long was Dary Stone a regent? what were the donation track records of:
-Dary Stone
-Richard Willis
-Neal T.(Buddy) Jones.
I can find no record of a significant donation...
TellMeYouLoveMe said:Incorrect, in some cases, these universities have spent MORE than Baylor. TCU has funded both a basketball arena and football stadium in more or less the same time.Keyser Soze said:
How much has Baylor spent on new buildings.
B School
Law School
McClane Stadium
Nutrition Center
Dorms
1 Billion ?
Don't know all the details but bet few have huge campus expansion and huge endowment increase at the same time.
Also, much of the spend in Baylor's case(the stadium and science bldg) was funded by debt increases. Meaning the balance sheet position was offset by increases in liability. So the net balance sheet position improved only marginally. The assets increased, but so did the debt.
Everyone wants their name on a building, the tough part is paying for the unspectacular costs, like maintenance, repairs, renovations, furniture, infrastructure.
Endowment numbers are skewed a bit too, we'd love to adjust that to a per-student basis, but with 16k students, that's another reason the endowment needs to increase.
Keyser Soze said:Sanctioned? Like what ..... I'm sure there are few that won't be invited back,TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:Yep, some of those Regents, by virtue of ignorance and lack of vision, actually subtract value from Baylor. We just took the hit on a liability that was completely preventable, and now they've gone back to their bunker mentality. What's the point?Redbrickbear said:This is a big issue.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Please, feel free to correct my numbers. https://www.utdallas.edu/development/endowments/endowment-update-fiscal-2018/WILLIS said:
Where do y'all keep getting this $1.2 number... End of 2018, it was 1.31... Probably close to $1.5 if it kept pace with the market.. There is so much bad information on this thread.
https://www.baylor.edu/investments/index.php?id=928665#endowment_size
The UT Dallas endowment is $558 million. It was previously $250 million in 2012. At that rate of growth, they will catch Baylor in approximately 21 years. Baylor is 175 years old, UT-Dallas is ....50 years old.
Bottom line, they have a tremendous growth rate, largely due to successful inflows of capital.
Of course, they aren't saddled with 39 Regents that give nothing to their endowment, so I guess you could say they have an advantage.
If you are gonna sit on the board of Regents and cost Baylor money every time you horribly mismanage a scandal....you should at least be forking over big bucks for our endowment.
Whether we have 12 regents, 39 regents, 120 regents, I don't care, but at the very LEAST, require the regents to give money to Baylor.
I thought many of past problems were that many regents were picked based on giving.
Baylor's big money donors, have for the most part been excellent. Few are better than:
- Paul Foster
- Mark Hurd
- Drayton
- Jim Turner.
Now, part of my reasoning is that some of these fine donors, bring 'other' board experience. So we aren't just getting sources of funds, but people with signifcant board leadership experience.
if we got someone with a net worth north of $500 mil, they could very well be a problem, but that's never happened. We're getting the opposite, we're getting people that haven't donated, but demand control with no accountability. Remember, we have yet to see any regents that were sanctioned as a result of the football scandal. It's like a cocktail party with drunk people holding shotguns.
It's possible, because of privacy, that there are some that have given but we simply don't know.
How long was Dary Stone a regent? what were the donation track records of:
-Dary Stone
-Richard Willis
-Neal T.(Buddy) Jones.
I can find no record of a significant donation...
Name em !!!TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:Sanctioned? Like what ..... I'm sure there are few that won't be invited back,TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:Yep, some of those Regents, by virtue of ignorance and lack of vision, actually subtract value from Baylor. We just took the hit on a liability that was completely preventable, and now they've gone back to their bunker mentality. What's the point?Redbrickbear said:This is a big issue.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Please, feel free to correct my numbers. https://www.utdallas.edu/development/endowments/endowment-update-fiscal-2018/WILLIS said:
Where do y'all keep getting this $1.2 number... End of 2018, it was 1.31... Probably close to $1.5 if it kept pace with the market.. There is so much bad information on this thread.
https://www.baylor.edu/investments/index.php?id=928665#endowment_size
The UT Dallas endowment is $558 million. It was previously $250 million in 2012. At that rate of growth, they will catch Baylor in approximately 21 years. Baylor is 175 years old, UT-Dallas is ....50 years old.
Bottom line, they have a tremendous growth rate, largely due to successful inflows of capital.
Of course, they aren't saddled with 39 Regents that give nothing to their endowment, so I guess you could say they have an advantage.
If you are gonna sit on the board of Regents and cost Baylor money every time you horribly mismanage a scandal....you should at least be forking over big bucks for our endowment.
Whether we have 12 regents, 39 regents, 120 regents, I don't care, but at the very LEAST, require the regents to give money to Baylor.
I thought many of past problems were that many regents were picked based on giving.
Baylor's big money donors, have for the most part been excellent. Few are better than:
- Paul Foster
- Mark Hurd
- Drayton
- Jim Turner.
Now, part of my reasoning is that some of these fine donors, bring 'other' board experience. So we aren't just getting sources of funds, but people with signifcant board leadership experience.
if we got someone with a net worth north of $500 mil, they could very well be a problem, but that's never happened. We're getting the opposite, we're getting people that haven't donated, but demand control with no accountability. Remember, we have yet to see any regents that were sanctioned as a result of the football scandal. It's like a cocktail party with drunk people holding shotguns.
It's possible, because of privacy, that there are some that have given but we simply don't know.
How long was Dary Stone a regent? what were the donation track records of:
-Dary Stone
-Richard Willis
-Neal T.(Buddy) Jones.
I can find no record of a significant donation...
You sure? There are a few on the board that are there because it was orchestrated by those that shall not be named...
That's something I'd want in writing...We buried Briles, why hold back on bad Regents? When did being a crook become sacrosanct?
Don't forget about the puppet master who was a bleeding heart liberal Democrat lobbyist from Austin. To get rid of Ken Starr, he decided to burn down the Baylor football program. I like to refer to him as the -$300 million dollar man. He ran off more donors and contributors than anyone in the history of Baylor. I am one of them.Keyser Soze said:Name em !!!TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:Sanctioned? Like what ..... I'm sure there are few that won't be invited back,TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:Yep, some of those Regents, by virtue of ignorance and lack of vision, actually subtract value from Baylor. We just took the hit on a liability that was completely preventable, and now they've gone back to their bunker mentality. What's the point?Redbrickbear said:This is a big issue.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Please, feel free to correct my numbers. https://www.utdallas.edu/development/endowments/endowment-update-fiscal-2018/WILLIS said:
Where do y'all keep getting this $1.2 number... End of 2018, it was 1.31... Probably close to $1.5 if it kept pace with the market.. There is so much bad information on this thread.
https://www.baylor.edu/investments/index.php?id=928665#endowment_size
The UT Dallas endowment is $558 million. It was previously $250 million in 2012. At that rate of growth, they will catch Baylor in approximately 21 years. Baylor is 175 years old, UT-Dallas is ....50 years old.
Bottom line, they have a tremendous growth rate, largely due to successful inflows of capital.
Of course, they aren't saddled with 39 Regents that give nothing to their endowment, so I guess you could say they have an advantage.
If you are gonna sit on the board of Regents and cost Baylor money every time you horribly mismanage a scandal....you should at least be forking over big bucks for our endowment.
Whether we have 12 regents, 39 regents, 120 regents, I don't care, but at the very LEAST, require the regents to give money to Baylor.
I thought many of past problems were that many regents were picked based on giving.
Baylor's big money donors, have for the most part been excellent. Few are better than:
- Paul Foster
- Mark Hurd
- Drayton
- Jim Turner.
Now, part of my reasoning is that some of these fine donors, bring 'other' board experience. So we aren't just getting sources of funds, but people with signifcant board leadership experience.
if we got someone with a net worth north of $500 mil, they could very well be a problem, but that's never happened. We're getting the opposite, we're getting people that haven't donated, but demand control with no accountability. Remember, we have yet to see any regents that were sanctioned as a result of the football scandal. It's like a cocktail party with drunk people holding shotguns.
It's possible, because of privacy, that there are some that have given but we simply don't know.
How long was Dary Stone a regent? what were the donation track records of:
-Dary Stone
-Richard Willis
-Neal T.(Buddy) Jones.
I can find no record of a significant donation...
You sure? There are a few on the board that are there because it was orchestrated by those that shall not be named...
That's something I'd want in writing...We buried Briles, why hold back on bad Regents? When did being a crook become sacrosanct?
If you need me to name the 4 time chairman of the board, I don't know what to tell you..Keyser Soze said:Name em !!!TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:Sanctioned? Like what ..... I'm sure there are few that won't be invited back,TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:Yep, some of those Regents, by virtue of ignorance and lack of vision, actually subtract value from Baylor. We just took the hit on a liability that was completely preventable, and now they've gone back to their bunker mentality. What's the point?Redbrickbear said:This is a big issue.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Please, feel free to correct my numbers. https://www.utdallas.edu/development/endowments/endowment-update-fiscal-2018/WILLIS said:
Where do y'all keep getting this $1.2 number... End of 2018, it was 1.31... Probably close to $1.5 if it kept pace with the market.. There is so much bad information on this thread.
https://www.baylor.edu/investments/index.php?id=928665#endowment_size
The UT Dallas endowment is $558 million. It was previously $250 million in 2012. At that rate of growth, they will catch Baylor in approximately 21 years. Baylor is 175 years old, UT-Dallas is ....50 years old.
Bottom line, they have a tremendous growth rate, largely due to successful inflows of capital.
Of course, they aren't saddled with 39 Regents that give nothing to their endowment, so I guess you could say they have an advantage.
If you are gonna sit on the board of Regents and cost Baylor money every time you horribly mismanage a scandal....you should at least be forking over big bucks for our endowment.
Whether we have 12 regents, 39 regents, 120 regents, I don't care, but at the very LEAST, require the regents to give money to Baylor.
I thought many of past problems were that many regents were picked based on giving.
Baylor's big money donors, have for the most part been excellent. Few are better than:
- Paul Foster
- Mark Hurd
- Drayton
- Jim Turner.
Now, part of my reasoning is that some of these fine donors, bring 'other' board experience. So we aren't just getting sources of funds, but people with signifcant board leadership experience.
if we got someone with a net worth north of $500 mil, they could very well be a problem, but that's never happened. We're getting the opposite, we're getting people that haven't donated, but demand control with no accountability. Remember, we have yet to see any regents that were sanctioned as a result of the football scandal. It's like a cocktail party with drunk people holding shotguns.
It's possible, because of privacy, that there are some that have given but we simply don't know.
How long was Dary Stone a regent? what were the donation track records of:
-Dary Stone
-Richard Willis
-Neal T.(Buddy) Jones.
I can find no record of a significant donation...
You sure? There are a few on the board that are there because it was orchestrated by those that shall not be named...
That's something I'd want in writing...We buried Briles, why hold back on bad Regents? When did being a crook become sacrosanct?
TellMeYouLoveMe said:If you need me to name the 4 time chairman of the board, I don't know what to tell you..Keyser Soze said:Name em !!!TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:Sanctioned? Like what ..... I'm sure there are few that won't be invited back,TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:Yep, some of those Regents, by virtue of ignorance and lack of vision, actually subtract value from Baylor. We just took the hit on a liability that was completely preventable, and now they've gone back to their bunker mentality. What's the point?Redbrickbear said:This is a big issue.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Please, feel free to correct my numbers. https://www.utdallas.edu/development/endowments/endowment-update-fiscal-2018/WILLIS said:
Where do y'all keep getting this $1.2 number... End of 2018, it was 1.31... Probably close to $1.5 if it kept pace with the market.. There is so much bad information on this thread.
https://www.baylor.edu/investments/index.php?id=928665#endowment_size
The UT Dallas endowment is $558 million. It was previously $250 million in 2012. At that rate of growth, they will catch Baylor in approximately 21 years. Baylor is 175 years old, UT-Dallas is ....50 years old.
Bottom line, they have a tremendous growth rate, largely due to successful inflows of capital.
Of course, they aren't saddled with 39 Regents that give nothing to their endowment, so I guess you could say they have an advantage.
If you are gonna sit on the board of Regents and cost Baylor money every time you horribly mismanage a scandal....you should at least be forking over big bucks for our endowment.
Whether we have 12 regents, 39 regents, 120 regents, I don't care, but at the very LEAST, require the regents to give money to Baylor.
I thought many of past problems were that many regents were picked based on giving.
Baylor's big money donors, have for the most part been excellent. Few are better than:
- Paul Foster
- Mark Hurd
- Drayton
- Jim Turner.
Now, part of my reasoning is that some of these fine donors, bring 'other' board experience. So we aren't just getting sources of funds, but people with signifcant board leadership experience.
if we got someone with a net worth north of $500 mil, they could very well be a problem, but that's never happened. We're getting the opposite, we're getting people that haven't donated, but demand control with no accountability. Remember, we have yet to see any regents that were sanctioned as a result of the football scandal. It's like a cocktail party with drunk people holding shotguns.
It's possible, because of privacy, that there are some that have given but we simply don't know.
How long was Dary Stone a regent? what were the donation track records of:
-Dary Stone
-Richard Willis
-Neal T.(Buddy) Jones.
I can find no record of a significant donation...
You sure? There are a few on the board that are there because it was orchestrated by those that shall not be named...
That's something I'd want in writing...We buried Briles, why hold back on bad Regents? When did being a crook become sacrosanct?
Not many university boards give the responsibility to board members to go door to door firing people.
witchmo said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:If you need me to name the 4 time chairman of the board, I don't know what to tell you..Keyser Soze said:Name em !!!TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:Sanctioned? Like what ..... I'm sure there are few that won't be invited back,TellMeYouLoveMe said:Keyser Soze said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:Yep, some of those Regents, by virtue of ignorance and lack of vision, actually subtract value from Baylor. We just took the hit on a liability that was completely preventable, and now they've gone back to their bunker mentality. What's the point?Redbrickbear said:This is a big issue.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Please, feel free to correct my numbers. https://www.utdallas.edu/development/endowments/endowment-update-fiscal-2018/WILLIS said:
Where do y'all keep getting this $1.2 number... End of 2018, it was 1.31... Probably close to $1.5 if it kept pace with the market.. There is so much bad information on this thread.
https://www.baylor.edu/investments/index.php?id=928665#endowment_size
The UT Dallas endowment is $558 million. It was previously $250 million in 2012. At that rate of growth, they will catch Baylor in approximately 21 years. Baylor is 175 years old, UT-Dallas is ....50 years old.
Bottom line, they have a tremendous growth rate, largely due to successful inflows of capital.
Of course, they aren't saddled with 39 Regents that give nothing to their endowment, so I guess you could say they have an advantage.
If you are gonna sit on the board of Regents and cost Baylor money every time you horribly mismanage a scandal....you should at least be forking over big bucks for our endowment.
Whether we have 12 regents, 39 regents, 120 regents, I don't care, but at the very LEAST, require the regents to give money to Baylor.
I thought many of past problems were that many regents were picked based on giving.
Baylor's big money donors, have for the most part been excellent. Few are better than:
- Paul Foster
- Mark Hurd
- Drayton
- Jim Turner.
Now, part of my reasoning is that some of these fine donors, bring 'other' board experience. So we aren't just getting sources of funds, but people with signifcant board leadership experience.
if we got someone with a net worth north of $500 mil, they could very well be a problem, but that's never happened. We're getting the opposite, we're getting people that haven't donated, but demand control with no accountability. Remember, we have yet to see any regents that were sanctioned as a result of the football scandal. It's like a cocktail party with drunk people holding shotguns.
It's possible, because of privacy, that there are some that have given but we simply don't know.
How long was Dary Stone a regent? what were the donation track records of:
-Dary Stone
-Richard Willis
-Neal T.(Buddy) Jones.
I can find no record of a significant donation...
You sure? There are a few on the board that are there because it was orchestrated by those that shall not be named...
That's something I'd want in writing...We buried Briles, why hold back on bad Regents? When did being a crook become sacrosanct?
Not many university boards give the responsibility to board members to go door to door firing people.
In fact, no responsible, effective, well-led board allows anyone on that board to be involved in the daily operations of the organization. "Operations" is not in their job description and anything beyond setting policy, budgets/finances and hiring/firing the CEO or Prez, in this case, is an overreach that always undermines institutional integrity. That's been a problem at BU now since the early 2000's. Hopefully, new blood will restore integrity within the university.
TellMeYouLoveMe said:
If the board members are still going directly to personnel to micromanage their business and overstep their lines of authority, we will have another fraud in the near future.
Serious - who are they and what are they doing? *
That lack of reporting and authority, as specifically violated by Willis, is the root cause IMO of the scandals.
Btw, no one on the board had a problem with Willis micromanaging the person in question.
They were silent.
Keyser Soze said:TellMeYouLoveMe said:
If the board members are still going directly to personnel to micromanage their business and overstep their lines of authority, we will have another fraud in the near future.
Serious - who are they and what are they doing? *
That lack of reporting and authority, as specifically violated by Willis, is the root cause IMO of the scandals.
Btw, no one on the board had a problem with Willis micromanaging the person in question.
They were silent.
* and not talking a recount of history - what's going on now?
For an entity of this size, you can't be a day late and a dollar short, that tends to have a cost. Also, what's the risk of being subpar on these matters? Have we already not seen first hand those costs?Keyser Soze said:
Didn't see the "If"
2015-2017 cleaned up a great deal including their own structure - though never enough for some
Wasn't it women from the Equestrian program that first complained about female sexual problems at Baylor? Did we actually take only $500k to open up that costly legal mess?TellMeYouLoveMe said:The lead gift on a horse barn? What are we talking $500k?57Bear said:
Willis made the lead gift for the Willis Equestrian Center - announced by BU in 2006:
https://www.baylor.edu/mediacommunications/news.php?action=story&story=38544
He got to lead the board for FOUR years and only gave that much?
Jeez.
They like spending everyone else's money, they won't give their own.Aliceinbubbleland said:Wasn't it women from the Equestrian program that first complained about female sexual problems at Baylor? Did we actually take only $500k to open up that costly legal mess?TellMeYouLoveMe said:The lead gift on a horse barn? What are we talking $500k?57Bear said:
Willis made the lead gift for the Willis Equestrian Center - announced by BU in 2006:
https://www.baylor.edu/mediacommunications/news.php?action=story&story=38544
He got to lead the board for FOUR years and only gave that much?
Jeez.
If our endowment as only increased $200k in 14 years everyone should be fired. What kind of leadership does this practice?
You sure KeyserKeyser Soze said:
On a plus side, Baylor's has lost less than many over the last two weeks
Their time is extremely valuable and we should be thankful that they serve.Redbrickbear said:This is a big issue.TellMeYouLoveMe said:Please, feel free to correct my numbers. https://www.utdallas.edu/development/endowments/endowment-update-fiscal-2018/WILLIS said:
Where do y'all keep getting this $1.2 number... End of 2018, it was 1.31... Probably close to $1.5 if it kept pace with the market.. There is so much bad information on this thread.
https://www.baylor.edu/investments/index.php?id=928665#endowment_size
The UT Dallas endowment is $558 million. It was previously $250 million in 2012. At that rate of growth, they will catch Baylor in approximately 21 years. Baylor is 175 years old, UT-Dallas is ....50 years old.
Bottom line, they have a tremendous growth rate, largely due to successful inflows of capital.
Of course, they aren't saddled with 39 Regents that give nothing to their endowment, so I guess you could say they have an advantage.
If you are gonna sit on the board of Regents and cost Baylor money every time you horribly mismanage a scandal....you should at least be forking over big bucks for our endowment.
... an open field.william said:
black swan arena.
- KKM
