* * Bitcoin, Coinbase, Etc

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Assassin
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Starting to see more Bitcoin machines pop up around Dallas. Do any of you use these machines?

What are some of the common uses of Bitcoin and Coinbase?
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william
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The Fed will likely create their own soon - along w/ all the other central banks. Create money out of thin air??

Curious what that will do the existing Cryptocurrencies.

I have a basket of them - Bitcoin cash, Ethereum, Ripple, Litecoin. Added and sold as the mkt has ebbed and flowed over the past 4 years or so.

- BUmma

And Coinbase is place to buy/sell Cryptos and create your Wallet (if u want) for transactions.
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william said:

The Fed will likely create their own soon - along w/ all the other central banks. Create money out of thin air??

Curious what that will do the existing Cryptocurrencies.

I have a basket of them - Bitcoin cash, Ethereum, Ripple, Litecoin. Added and sold as the mkt has ebbed and flowed over the past 4 years or so.

- BUmma

And Coinbase is place to buy/sell Cryptos and create your Wallet (if u want) for transactions.
thanks

I bought some Bitcoin many years ago but lost all my info in my move from my townhouse. Lost all that info and Bitcoin was no help in finding it
Mr Tulip
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Bitcoin is the the ultimate "save your ticket stub" thingy. If you don't have your ID, they're gone for good. Whomever has the ID, has the Bitcoin.

In order for a currency to have value, there has to be a supply limit. Bitcoin is essentially created when an answer to a really ugly math problem is found. We've found all the "easy" ones already. The rest require ever increasing amounts of computation time on outrageously specialized computer hardware. Realistically, there's no actual profit in "mining" (the act of locating a previously unknown solution, and hence another "Bitcoin") new Bitcoin.

When a new Bitcoin is located, it generates a massively ugly number called a hash. It gets associated with your Bitcoin ID. Now normally, with regular things like a bank account, your account ID is verified and tied to a physical thing like your actual name, SSN, home address, etc. In short, we know where to come looking for the owner of the bank account, more or less.

The Internet doesn't work that way. The owner of a Bitcoin ID could be anyone, anywhere. Once the hash of the "Bitcoin" currency is associated with a user ID, it's stored in a computer science data structure called a "linked list". This is the "blockchain" everyone likes to blab about. Every time a bitcoin is moved, like spending a dollar, there's an entry in the blockchain. Without explaining the nature of "one way functions", it's possible to tell if a given ID is associated with any bitcoin by scanning the blockchain. It's not possible to tell which bitcoin belongs to which ID by looking at it though.

All this to say that Bitcoin is theoretically an anonymous currency, able to prevent snooping on the movement of payments. It's that last link where payment has to be verified and physical goods or services delivered that always seems to be the downfall. Also, if you lose your user ID, then the Bitcoin you owned is gone forever to everybody since it's not possible to recover that number by design.
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I was really surprised to see Bitcoin machines at a couple of gas stations I stopped at. How are they making enough money to support these machines? I dont understand how some folk are millionaires out of this
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Bitcoin started out as a mathematical exercise. In that sense, the concept is sound.

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However, as far as the wild price swings, it suffers from a disease we all contracted about 20 years ago, Something we don't understand must have an awesome application that we also don't understand. Better buy a bunch of it so we have some. Other people will want it too. Hello Kitty exists because it's an advertisement for Hello Kitty. Paris Hilton was famous for being famous. Bitcoin's price skyrockets because people want Bitcoin.

Obviously, any currency in use is a symbol for something we agree has value. Typically, it has to be limited (jokes about the US Treasury ignored), and widely agreed to have a certain value to be traded for things. I earn American dollars, acquire them, and hand them over for things like shoes, steak, and MyPillows. If I earned, say, Greek drachma, and the MyPIllow guy only accepted American dollars, we'd have to agree on how many dollars my drachma would buy. That exchange is obviously influenced by how many drachma and dollars are out there, and how many people want each. If, tomorrow, everyone though drachma were cool, then I could get a lot more dollars for my drachma, and consequently a nicer MyPillow or something.

Bitcoin is indeed limited. As expressed earlier, one bitcoin is basically a solution to a really ugly math problem. Those solutions are stupidly difficult to find, so the known solutions form a limited group. Bitcoin has, though, been tough on the 2nd test. People don't widely accept them in their "native" form. They've had to be sold on an exchange to other people who want them, and are prepared to hand over other more historic forms of currency - like dollars or drachma.

One reason for this is the "blockchain". It's a happy word in industry right now (all industry, because it's tough to understand what it is). Essentially, from Bitcoin's perspective, it's a big long adder tape of user ID's, the mathematical number corresponding to a Bitcoin, and a transaction code like "create", "delete", "transfer", etc.

In theory, if I owned bitcoin (like I owned dollars in a bank account), then I could go to a merchant that accepts bitcoin as payment. I'd input my user ID in some fashion (it's another massively ugly number), and assert that I wanted to transfer some amount of the bitcoin I owned to that merchant - essentially what you do at HEB paying for groceries with your bank account.

Here's where something silly and non-intuitive happens. My request then SEARCHES THE ENTIRE BLOCKCHAIN composed of every bitcoin transaction that's ever been recorded since the beginning of the Universe! It's calculating how many entries correspond with my user ID acquiring bitcoin, and subtracting the entries where my user ID expended bitcoin. In theory, at the end of this search, the exchange will then create a new entry transferring the agreed amount of bitcoin to the merchant - provided the result of the search indicated I had enough bitcoin.

I won't explain exactly how this process works, but it's an ugly process and getting uglier daily. Sometimes, the results of the payment attempt aren't known for a day or two! As you'd imagine, this limits the usefulness as direct payment. Solutions are being floated for this problem, but it takes agreement and "best of breed" for one to win out.

Executive Summary: All currency requires a societal agreement that the currency is "real" and "has value". None of them really do. Bitcoin could possibly have this attribute one day, but doesn't really yet.
Oldbear83
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All currency depends on confidence. If the public loses confidence that a currency is holding value, it collapses.

The biggest issue I see with crypto currency, is that it has absolutely no backing from a government or precious metal. It would seem to be just a matter of time before some crisis causes a correction that significantly devalues the currency and brings about its collapse.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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Oldbear83 said:

All currency depends on confidence. If the public loses confidence that a currency is holding value, it collapses.

The biggest issue I see with crypto currency, is that it has absolutely no backing from a government or precious metal. It would seem to be just a matter of time before some crisis causes a correction that significantly devalues the currency and brings about its collapse.
Ouch! OUCH!!!! Looking like the air is quickly coming out of the crypto balloon. People should never, ever invest in things they don't understand. A lot of FOMO chickens coming to roost.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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Ouch! OUCH!!!!!! Stocks and bonds crushed. Cryptocurrency getting destroyed. Even gold and silver have retreated the last couple of weeks. Inflation still 8.3 percent. I am wondering if we'll see 13-14 percent CDs like we saw in the late 70s/ early 80s. Gonna be a wild ride these next couple of years.
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Aliceinbubbleland
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Just buy the ARKK with about 2% of your entire portfolio just in case
Keyser Soze
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Oldbear83 said:

All currency depends on confidence. If the public loses confidence that a currency is holding value, it collapses.

The biggest issue I see with crypto currency, is that it has absolutely no backing from a government or precious metal. It would seem to be just a matter of time before some crisis causes a correction that significantly devalues the currency and brings about its collapse.

Today, once we had

ivish_h
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It's wild to think about how intricate the whole process is, especially with mining and the blockchain. One thing I've been curious about is how people use Bitcoin in different ways, beyond just trading or investing. I've heard some folks talk about using it for online gaming and even in casinos. Have any of you tried out any of those trusted BTC casino sites? I stumbled upon www.crypto-casinos.com and it seems like they've got a decent selection. I'm not much of a gambler myself, but the idea of using Bitcoin in different ways like that is pretty intriguing. It's cool to see how versatile this whole cryptocurrency thing can be.


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