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Jack Bauer said:




Mack is from Dallas.

I think he's kind of a shthead because his daughter went to Baylor and he won't so much as fart in our direction.
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I know this is a funny on face value, but Maher was 29 of 32 this year with 2 of his misses from 59 yards, he also hit a 60 yarder.

50 of 53 xp, with 2 of the misses blocks. So really 50 of 51.

He is damned good. He had a terrible game.

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I have supported Dak for years but it's time to admit what he is...a mid-tier QB who can't get you to a championship game just like Romo before him.


How many of those types have made it?

Chris Chandler
Matt Ryan
Trent Dilfer
Etc
Dilfer with one of the greatest defenses of all time and as for Matt Ryan, he caught lighting in a bottle. I get your point but let me ask you, do you think Dak can put that many games together in a row to match them in the playoffs?


Consider that I left off Matt Hasselbeck and Kerry Collins, yes I absolutely do.

But this kinda felt like Gettysburg in an eerie way.

I would like to have your faith but 9 years of evidence says otherwise at this point.


It's possible, I don't know how probable.

You can count on 1 hand the QBs active in the league that are truly 100 elites. Don't even need the whole hand.
I hear you...the scary thing is most of the guys you would be counting on one hand all have come into the league in the past 4 years and thus are way younger than Dak.


Consider also that Pirty is not one of those. Neither is Herts IMO cause **** OU and bama.

You do not need an elite QB, but it's damn handy to have.
As much as I am shocked, I am about to say this, the jury is out on Purdy right now and as for Hurts, I would agree but credit Philly for designing a scheme to make him successful and putting the weapons around him. We will see if he can get it done on the big stage next week.

As for not needing an elite QB, not sure I can agree in today's passing league if you want to win it all.


My point overall is that there's only 2-3 teams a year that have what you want. Dak is absolutely good enough to get us to at least the division championship if not to the superbowl.



Her just can't overcome Jerruh. No one ever will
Yep. Jerruh, with his "Super Bowl or bust" mentality has created a soft, entitled franchise that has no real concept of what it takes to consistently achieve that level of play. It's not at all unlike what we see at the University of Texas.

He inflates the egos and expectations of players and teams that frankly just aren't that good. And they don't have the grit, edge or shoulder chip needed to scratch, claw and work themselves into the championship tier.

As someone who grew up in the Metroplex, but has never really been a Cowboys fan (I'm more indifferent than anything), it's kind of funny seeing this annual cycle. Jerruh gets his fans and media to buy in every year only to break their hearts. There's one common denominator the past 25-plus years. And unfortunately for Cowboys fans, it's not one that can be eliminated from the equation.


The 49ers, Foreskins, Raiders and Bears all have Super Bowl droughts longer than Americas Team.

Btw, it's haters like you that make us Americas Team cause we occupy your mind and every thought come playoff time.

The Bills were a better team and got their **** pushed in, but you didn't say a word about that.

Jerry had nothing to do with these facts.
If you're comfortable being in a conversation with the Raiders and Redskins/Commanders, more power to you. To everyone else, your favorite organization is a joke. And Jerruh is the punchline.

And the difference between an organization like the Bills and the Cowboys is that the Bills don't go into any season talking about Super Bowls as the baseline expectation. The Cowboys do every season, only to miss the playoffs or lose before the conference title game.



Our balance sheet confirms the Americas Team moniker. We make more money than any 2 teams combined, win or lose. Our games draw the highest ratings, W or L.

It's a loser's mentality to not expect an SB victory every year. You play to win. The cheating ass patriots absolutely expected to win every year and were just as quick to let you know.
"Our" balance sheet? Do you have Jerry Jones in your pocket? Because that's the only person that the balance sheet matters to. The Cowboys haven't been America's team in a long time, unless you think America is a bunch of losers. The only reason anyone cares about the Cowboys is because it's hilarious to watch their entitled fan base cry every year this time of year. Otherwise, there is nothing to be envious about a bunch of losers that haven't done anything in about 3 decades. You sound like UT fans talking about balance sheets and relevance - balance sheets don't equate to championships.

But going back to my first point, balance sheets do make Jerry Jones richer. And as long as you idiots keep tuning in every Sunday, buying tickets, and buying t-shirts and jerseys, Jerry has no incentive to make changes. In his mind, he is winning because he is making a boatload of money off of people that support perennial losers. So, congrats?
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contrario said:

GoldMind said:

bear2be2 said:

GoldMind said:

bear2be2 said:

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GoldMind said:

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GoldMind said:

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GoldMind said:

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I have supported Dak for years but it's time to admit what he is...a mid-tier QB who can't get you to a championship game just like Romo before him.


How many of those types have made it?

Chris Chandler
Matt Ryan
Trent Dilfer
Etc
Dilfer with one of the greatest defenses of all time and as for Matt Ryan, he caught lighting in a bottle. I get your point but let me ask you, do you think Dak can put that many games together in a row to match them in the playoffs?


Consider that I left off Matt Hasselbeck and Kerry Collins, yes I absolutely do.

But this kinda felt like Gettysburg in an eerie way.

I would like to have your faith but 9 years of evidence says otherwise at this point.


It's possible, I don't know how probable.

You can count on 1 hand the QBs active in the league that are truly 100 elites. Don't even need the whole hand.
I hear you...the scary thing is most of the guys you would be counting on one hand all have come into the league in the past 4 years and thus are way younger than Dak.


Consider also that Pirty is not one of those. Neither is Herts IMO cause **** OU and bama.

You do not need an elite QB, but it's damn handy to have.
As much as I am shocked, I am about to say this, the jury is out on Purdy right now and as for Hurts, I would agree but credit Philly for designing a scheme to make him successful and putting the weapons around him. We will see if he can get it done on the big stage next week.

As for not needing an elite QB, not sure I can agree in today's passing league if you want to win it all.


My point overall is that there's only 2-3 teams a year that have what you want. Dak is absolutely good enough to get us to at least the division championship if not to the superbowl.



Her just can't overcome Jerruh. No one ever will
Yep. Jerruh, with his "Super Bowl or bust" mentality has created a soft, entitled franchise that has no real concept of what it takes to consistently achieve that level of play. It's not at all unlike what we see at the University of Texas.

He inflates the egos and expectations of players and teams that frankly just aren't that good. And they don't have the grit, edge or shoulder chip needed to scratch, claw and work themselves into the championship tier.

As someone who grew up in the Metroplex, but has never really been a Cowboys fan (I'm more indifferent than anything), it's kind of funny seeing this annual cycle. Jerruh gets his fans and media to buy in every year only to break their hearts. There's one common denominator the past 25-plus years. And unfortunately for Cowboys fans, it's not one that can be eliminated from the equation.


The 49ers, Foreskins, Raiders and Bears all have Super Bowl droughts longer than Americas Team.

Btw, it's haters like you that make us Americas Team cause we occupy your mind and every thought come playoff time.

The Bills were a better team and got their **** pushed in, but you didn't say a word about that.

Jerry had nothing to do with these facts.
If you're comfortable being in a conversation with the Raiders and Redskins/Commanders, more power to you. To everyone else, your favorite organization is a joke. And Jerruh is the punchline.

And the difference between an organization like the Bills and the Cowboys is that the Bills don't go into any season talking about Super Bowls as the baseline expectation. The Cowboys do every season, only to miss the playoffs or lose before the conference title game.



Our balance sheet confirms the Americas Team moniker. We make more money than any 2 teams combined, win or lose. Our games draw the highest ratings, W or L.

It's a loser's mentality to not expect an SB victory every year. You play to win. The cheating ass patriots absolutely expected to win every year and were just as quick to let you know.
"Our" balance sheet? Do you have Jerry Jones in your pocket? Because that's the only person that the balance sheet matters to. The Cowboys haven't been America's team in a long time, unless you think America is a bunch of losers. The only reason anyone cares about the Cowboys is because it's hilarious to watch their entitled fan base cry every year this time of year. Otherwise, there is nothing to be envious about a bunch of losers that haven't done anything in about 3 decades. You sound like UT fans talking about balance sheets and relevance - balance sheets don't equate to championships.

But going back to my first point, balance sheets do make Jerry Jones richer. And as long as you idiots keep tuning in every Sunday, buying tickets, and buying t-shirts and jerseys, Jerry has no incentive to make changes. In his mind, he is winning because he is making a boatload of money off of people that support perennial losers. So, congrats?
Thank you, cya next year at the Super Bowl.
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Prayers up for Tony. I broke my leg the exact same way. It hurts.
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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I know this is a funny on face value, but Maher was 29 of 32 this year with 2 of his misses from 59 yards, he also hit a 60 yarder.

50 of 53 xp, with 2 of the misses blocks. So really 50 of 51.

He is damned good. He had a terrible game.


He's very good. He just developed a mental block on PATs....kind of like a golfer getting the yips on the putting green. The one PAT he attempted last night was also going to be another miss pulled to the left.

Yet....he was 2 for 2 on FGs last night. Something has gotten in his head about PATs. He was missing them in warmups too.

When Dallas got the ball back with like 3 minutes left and down 7 my first thought was what the hell are they going to do if they score a TD. That would be the most stressful PAT Maher has ever faced. Do you send him out there or go for 2?

Well...Dallas didn't even get the chance to make that choice.
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The tweet on the right that just says "Dumb..." was from Jimmy Johnson

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From the Cowboys' own social media account...

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BearForce said:


Must re-sign: Steele, LVE, D WIlson

Sign if they'll give a team friendly contract: Pollard, McGovern, Hankins, Watkins
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Must re-sign: Steele, LVE, D WIlson

Sign if they'll give a team friendly contract: Pollard, McGovern, Hankins, Watkins


Lol you don't want Schultz? Ok.
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Must re-sign: Steele, LVE, D WIlson

Sign if they'll give a team friendly contract: Pollard, McGovern, Hankins, Watkins


Lol you don't want Schultz? Ok.


I mean yeah, I just don't think we get him for a reasonable price. Roll with Ferguson and Hendershot.
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Must re-sign: Steele, LVE, D WIlson

Sign if they'll give a team friendly contract: Pollard, McGovern, Hankins, Watkins


Lol you don't want Schultz? Ok.


I mean yeah, I just don't think we get him for a reasonable price. Roll with Ferguson and Hendershot.


How do other teams keep their good tight ends?

I never really got how Kelce has been held my KC for so long.
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Question about Dak

When Dak started with the Cowboys, and probably for the first 2-3 years, the knock that was most consistently made against him was that he didn't take enough chances. He threw very few interceptions in the first few years. He tended to play safe and not make dangerous throws.

Now he's known for turning the ball over.

So here's the question. What changed? Is it just that the team is asking him to do too much--because the running game isn't getting the yards that Zeke did in his first season or two? Has there been a coaching push to take more chances that Dak isn't handling well?

He does seem to have some accuracy issues. If he throws the ball two yards further on the bomb to Lamb, they score a TD and it's a different game. He also missed on the long post to Gallup. And threw it behind Lamb a couple of times. Those aren't easy fixes, but it seems like that's a different issue than the mistakes.

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GoldMind said:

trumpetbear said:

GoldMind said:

trumpetbear said:

BearForce said:


Must re-sign: Steele, LVE, D WIlson

Sign if they'll give a team friendly contract: Pollard, McGovern, Hankins, Watkins


Lol you don't want Schultz? Ok.


I mean yeah, I just don't think we get him for a reasonable price. Roll with Ferguson and Hendershot.


How do other teams keep their good tight ends?

I never really got how Kelce has been held my KC for so long.
Other teams seem to have GMs who can manage the salary cap. Dallas always seems to be in trouble on money. Contracts like Zeke's probably contribute to that.
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TechDawgMc said:

GoldMind said:

trumpetbear said:

GoldMind said:

trumpetbear said:

BearForce said:


Must re-sign: Steele, LVE, D WIlson

Sign if they'll give a team friendly contract: Pollard, McGovern, Hankins, Watkins


Lol you don't want Schultz? Ok.


I mean yeah, I just don't think we get him for a reasonable price. Roll with Ferguson and Hendershot.


How do other teams keep their good tight ends?

I never really got how Kelce has been held my KC for so long.
Other teams seem to have GMs who can manage the salary cap. Dallas always seems to be in trouble on money. Contracts like Zeke's probably contribute to that.


I guess
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TechDawgMc said:

Question about Dak

When Dak started with the Cowboys, and probably for the first 2-3 years, the knock that was most consistently made against him was that he didn't take enough chances. He threw very few interceptions in the first few years. He tended to play safe and not make dangerous throws.

Now he's known for turning the ball over.

So here's the question. What changed? Is it just that the team is asking him to do too much--because the running game isn't getting the yards that Zeke did in his first season or two? Has there been a coaching push to take more chances that Dak isn't handling well?

He does seem to have some accuracy issues. If he throws the ball two yards further on the bomb to Lamb, they score a TD and it's a different game. He also missed on the long post to Gallup. And threw it behind Lamb a couple of times. Those aren't easy fixes, but it seems like that's a different issue than the mistakes.


Part of it is probably coaching philosophy. When he first came to the Cowboys Garrett-bot 2000 was the HC and he had a very conservative approach. I think things are more open now with McCarthy/Mond. I think they are willing to live with more turnovers with the tradeoff of a higher scoring team. Of course....there is a point where too many turnovers are counterproductive.
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TechDawgMc said:

Question about Dak

When Dak started with the Cowboys, and probably for the first 2-3 years, the knock that was most consistently made against him was that he didn't take enough chances. He threw very few interceptions in the first few years. He tended to play safe and not make dangerous throws.

Now he's known for turning the ball over.

So here's the question. What changed? Is it just that the team is asking him to do too much--because the running game isn't getting the yards that Zeke did in his first season or two? Has there been a coaching push to take more chances that Dak isn't handling well?

He does seem to have some accuracy issues. If he throws the ball two yards further on the bomb to Lamb, they score a TD and it's a different game. He also missed on the long post to Gallup. And threw it behind Lamb a couple of times. Those aren't easy fixes, but it seems like that's a different issue than the mistakes.


There's been some speculation, including from RG3, that Dak's throwing thumb was never 100% this year after he came back, and the floaty balls, occasional lack of zip in tight windows and loose spirals were a consequence of that. That's a few of his picks right there.

That does not explain the throws he made that were just bad decisions, however. The advanced analytics would tell you a few things when you compare this year to Dak's 2018, the last time he threw for fewer than 10 picks in a full season:

1. Dak's bad throw % and on target throw % were the same as 2018, when he only threw 8 INTs. So it's not necessary the number of bad throws that got him into trouble.

2. His pressure per dropback was almost 10% higher in 2018 than it was in 2022, which tells you he's faced more pressure and thrown fewer picks, so it's not necessarily the lack of pocket time to blame.

3. The Cowboys had a better overall running game in 2022 compared to 2018, so he's not being asked to shoulder more of the load and throw more, so it isn't a lack of ground support on average.

There's always a confluence of factors, but ultimately I think this is just who Dak was in 2022. He wasn't consistently reading coverages well, particularly on sitting backers underneath and comeback routes to the boundary, where most of his picks came. Unfortunately these are also prime pick-6 throws. Take the pick-6 he threw against Washington in the season finale. He threw a terrible ball on a comeback that was dropped. He threw the same ball, the same way, literally the next play and the CB took it back for 6. That's inexcusable. No idea what was going through his head at times this year.

There aren't a ton of external factors to blame. His running game supported him. He had enough time to throw. He wasn't sacked or hit a ton. He had a bonafide #1 WR and decent enough pass-catching depth (although Gallup's route running was pretty bad). And he mostly didn't throw a large volume of bad passes.

He just made some exceedingly dumb decisions on a relatively small amount of big throws. And those added up.
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GoldMind said:

trumpetbear said:

BearForce said:


Must re-sign: Steele, LVE, D WIlson

Sign if they'll give a team friendly contract: Pollard, McGovern, Hankins, Watkins


Lol you don't want Schultz? Ok.


I don't either...below is a good reason why

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BearForce said:

GoldMind said:

trumpetbear said:

BearForce said:


Must re-sign: Steele, LVE, D WIlson

Sign if they'll give a team friendly contract: Pollard, McGovern, Hankins, Watkins


Lol you don't want Schultz? Ok.


I don't either...below is a good reason why




Off one obscure metric that doesn't take into account timely catches and first downs.

Whatever
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Bijan at RB
Gallup, Lamb and Hopkins at WR
Hendershot
Dak
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GoldMind said:

Bijan at RB
Gallup, Lamb and Hopkins at WR
Hendershot
Dak


Depending on how much the Raiders ask for Hunter Renfro I would take him and dump Gallup. I have a bad feeling Gallup maybe broke for good. Also Ferguson is our TE1 and Hendershot TE2.
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BearForce said:

GoldMind said:

Bijan at RB
Gallup, Lamb and Hopkins at WR
Hendershot
Dak


Depending on how much the Raiders ask for Hunter Renfro I would take him and dump Gallup. I have a bad feeling Gallup maybe broke for good. Also Ferguson is our TE1 and Hendershot TE2.


Maybe. I'd still take a flyer on Hop.
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GoldMind said:

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GoldMind said:

Bijan at RB
Gallup, Lamb and Hopkins at WR
Hendershot
Dak


Depending on how much the Raiders ask for Hunter Renfro I would take him and dump Gallup. I have a bad feeling Gallup maybe broke for good. Also Ferguson is our TE1 and Hendershot TE2.


Maybe. I'd still take a flyer on Hop.


Sorry, I wasn't clear. I am saying Lamb, DHop, and Renfro and drop Gallup.
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BearForce said:

GoldMind said:

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GoldMind said:

Bijan at RB
Gallup, Lamb and Hopkins at WR
Hendershot
Dak


Depending on how much the Raiders ask for Hunter Renfro I would take him and dump Gallup. I have a bad feeling Gallup maybe broke for good. Also Ferguson is our TE1 and Hendershot TE2.


Maybe. I'd still take a flyer on Hop.


Sorry, I wasn't clear. I am saying Lamb, DHop, and Renfro and drop Gallup.


I'd take it. Thanks Gallup.
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Did you enjoy them 3 super bowls?
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Quite a bit of coaching turnover happening

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trumpetbear said:

Quite a bit of coaching turnover happening


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Oh snap!

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trumpetbear said:

Oh snap!




Americas DC
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The man is already making HC money without having to worry about offense or clock management or press conferences and is universally loved by the team and fans. Id stay too
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trumpetbear said:

The man is already making HC money without having to worry about offense or clock management or press conferences and is universally loved by the team and fans. Id stay too


He has a wallet that says Bad Mfkr on it
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Welp. Go Niners and Bengals I guess.
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