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parting of the Big Red sea

They would be a nice replacement for OU. Reignite rivalries and get Texas kids again but it will NEVER happen.

ScottS said:

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parting of the Big Red sea

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WOW! Didn't take #4 forty years to enter the Promised Land. Wondering if Northwestern is the first of Nebraska's 10 Plagues this year?

Bakersdozen said:

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They would be a nice replacement for OU. Reignite rivalries and get Texas kids again but it will NEVER happen.

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No question losing Texas recruits has hurt both Nebraska and Missouri. I think Nebraska has 5 players on 2022 roster by way of Texas. A far cry from the 15+ or so back in their glory days. Come to think of it their glory days were so last century. How does a once vaunted football program story begin? Once upon a time…

A couple of points not sure if this is attempting to pick on Nebraska or if serious. If serious it show a lack of understanding of what re alignment is. No one and I mean no one is going to fore go making 75 million a year to make low 40 mil a year. I'm sure they hate losing but the pay day is great.

My next point. It is also a self own toward the XII to imply Nebraska would be winning if in the XII. Hmmm.. no if they played a XII conference schedule, they would not be any better. NW would be bottom tier if they were in the XII. It is going to take a great team to do well in the XII this year and in the new XII just like it will take a great team to do well in the B10 and the new B10.

PartyBear said:

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A couple of points not sure if this is attempting to pick on Nebraska or if serious. If serious it show a lack of understanding of what re alignment is. No one and I mean no one is going to fore go making 75 million a year to make low 40 mil a year. I'm sure they hate losing but the pay day is great.

My next point. It is also a self own toward the XII to imply Nebraska would be winning if in the XII. Hmmm.. no if they played a XII conference schedule, they would not be any better. It is going to take a great team to do well in the XII this year and in the new XII just like it will take a great team to do well in the B10 and the new B10.

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Yeah it will never happen

I do t think it's as much a self own as an acknowledging that Nebraska can't recruit Texas…at all anymore.

And as a result they don't have enough California kids to be anywhere close to relevant. And if they were in the 12, they'd be able to recruit Texas and would be a better program. May not win more but would have more talent. They've been tossed aside as a bygone of yesteryear

They've gone the way of aggy. Now this is supposedly aggy year so we shall see.

They of their ten win season in 25 years and zero titles

PartyBear said:

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A couple of points not sure if this is attempting to pick on Nebraska or if serious. If serious it show a lack of understanding of what re alignment is. No one and I mean no one is going to fore go making 75 million a year to make low 40 mil a year. I'm sure they hate losing but the pay day is great.

My next point. It is also a self own toward the XII to imply Nebraska would be winning if in the XII. Hmmm.. no if they played a XII conference schedule, they would not be any better. It is going to take a great team to do well in the XII this year and in the new XII just like it will take a great team to do well in the B10 and the new B10.

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Points well taken.

What if you can get Pitt Louisville and Nebraska? These moves don't happen in a vacuum; there's a lot of moving parts .

That example above doesn't get us SEC money but it's more than 40 million. it's a longshot but there could be combinations to make a school at least kick the tires.

It'll never, ever happen.. but it would be great to get them back. the SEC can keep Misery. They were awful in the big 12 and bring literally nothing to the table. They are the SEC version of Colorado- let the SEC deal with their mess

Stefano DiMera said:

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What if you can get Pitt Louisville and Nebraska? These moves don't happen in a vacuum; there's a lot of moving parts .

That example above doesn't get us SEC money but it's more than 40 million. it's a longshot but there could be combinations to make a school at least kick the tires.

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I'm not opposed to Nebraska if they make the pie bigger. . That isn't what I said. I just said they would not have a better season if they were in the XII and they aren't taking a pay cut.

PartyBear said:

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A couple of points not sure if this is attempting to pick on Nebraska or if serious. If serious it show a lack of understanding of what re alignment is. No one and I mean no one is going to fore go making 75 million a year to make low 40 mil a year. I'm sure they hate losing but the pay day is great.

My next point. It is also a self own toward the XII to imply Nebraska would be winning if in the XII. Hmmm.. no if they played a XII conference schedule, they would not be any better. NW would be bottom tier if they were in the XII. It is going to take a great team to do well in the XII this year and in the new XII just like it will take a great team to do well in the B10 and the new B10.

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Agreed. To be fair, the Big 12 is looking at around $40M all in for payouts with the B1G looking at $75M for media only for payouts, so the latter could conceivably reach $90-100M all in. No one is giving up that type of money.

I'm glad they lost.
I'm sad for Smoak.

If that big money doesn't create success in competition what's it really worth? Better facilities and the highest paid coaches are supposed to take you somewhere..... but if they don't it doesn't mean much.

Reverend said:

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If that big money doesn't create success in competition what's it really worth? Better facilities and the highest paid coaches are supposed to take you somewhere..... but if they don't it doesn't mean much.

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That's a complicated question, and the answer depends on how a university defines success. While fans generally define success in terms of wins, losses, and titles (division, conference and national); universities define success through a complex assessment of quantity of enrollment applications, quality of applications, yield, acceptance rate, actual enrollment, percentage of alumni who donate or are otherwise engaged with the university, actual value of donations, frequency of donations, etc. plus all of those variables compared to peer schools (as defined by the school). Basically, a university could perceive its athletics to be ultra successful for the university even if the football team does not regularly win titles - the best example of this right now is Texas A&M.

Understood. But all those variables are ultimately tied more closely to success than balance sheets.

Maybe I don't understand where all that money goes and how it really affects the "variables."

Big-O!-Bear said:

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Approximately the distance between Dublin, Ireland and Lincoln, Nebraska

The irony in all of this is that Nebraska left the Big 12 partly because of Texas, but moreso for the big paydays and stability of the B1G. Little did they know their storied history would become shambles as they struggle to even win a B1G West title, much less the B1G champioship game.

The equal irony is that in its continued chase for money and the big payday, Nebraska agreed to open the season with a B1G game and play it in Ireland instead of scheduling a FCS school to begin the year with an easy victory and much needed momentum for a school that lost its last 6 games of the year in '21. The result? They now have lost their first game of the season and it's a meaningful league game. Instead of building momentum with an easy win over a FCS team, they now have alums and fans around the country clamoring for the head coach's head, a head coach who threw his offensive staff under the bus, and reported team dissension before the flight home.

I guess the moral of the story is that chasing money isn't always the answer.

Reverend said:

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If that big money doesn't create success in competition what's it really worth? Better facilities and the highest paid coaches are supposed to take you somewhere..... but if they don't it doesn't mean much.

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Post Of The Year.

Bakersdozen said:

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They would be a nice replacement for OU. Reignite rivalries and get Texas kids again but it will NEVER happen.

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If Texas and OU had stayed put, maybe no movement ever occurs. But there was real possibility that Colorado, Arkansas, and Nebraska could've been looking to come back into the fold.

Too late now. Time to build and be our own thing.

CHP Bear said:

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Bakersdozen said:

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They would be a nice replacement for OU. Reignite rivalries and get Texas kids again but it will NEVER happen.

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No question losing Texas recruits has hurt both Nebraska and Missouri. I think Nebraska has 5 players on 2022 roster by way of Texas. A far cry from the 15+ or so back in their glory days. Come to think of it their glory days were so last century. How does a once vaunted football program story begin? Once upon a time…

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Mizzoos problem wasnt just losing Texas recruits. They were a solid program when they entered the SEC and were set up for success but their program got destroyed by BLM and the spillover from Ferguson impacting their campus. The entire enrollment of the school dropped 30% in the wake of the Ferguson riots and the sit ins on their campus. Pinkel retired due to health reasons but that was probably the excuse to get out when he did. Colorado and Nebraska both had a decline in their program as a result of not having the Texas pipeline, though.

On another note, Nebraska looks like a pretty good team, but they fade in the 4th qtr to pull out a loss.

PartyBear said:

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A couple of points not sure if this is attempting to pick on Nebraska or if serious. If serious it show a lack of understanding of what re alignment is. No one and I mean no one is going to fore go making 75 million a year to make low 40 mil a year. I'm sure they hate losing but the pay day is great.

My next point. It is also a self own toward the XII to imply Nebraska would be winning if in the XII. Hmmm.. no if they played a XII conference schedule, they would not be any better. NW would be bottom tier if they were in the XII. It is going to take a great team to do well in the XII this year and in the new XII just like it will take a great team to do well in the B10 and the new B10.

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There will be competition within the ranks of the BIG and SEC over time. Teams that consistently lose in either conference and get Bama or OSU money will not last long. At some point, they will probably have a tiered system with a max and a min. Won't happen any time soon.

I don't know how good Nebraska would be if they were in the Big 12 but...look at the 10 years prior to Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Arkansas left and see where they are now. The point about coming to the Big 12 is playing in the state and getting access to talent. The Big 12 in and of itself won't help Nebraska but they used to have 15-25 Texans a year on the team.

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PartyBear said:

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A couple of points not sure if this is attempting to pick on Nebraska or if serious. If serious it show a lack of understanding of what re alignment is. No one and I mean no one is going to fore go making 75 million a year to make low 40 mil a year. I'm sure they hate losing but the pay day is great.

My next point. It is also a self own toward the XII to imply Nebraska would be winning if in the XII. Hmmm.. no if they played a XII conference schedule, they would not be any better. It is going to take a great team to do well in the XII this year and in the new XII just like it will take a great team to do well in the B10 and the new B10.

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Yeah it will never happen

I do t think it's as much a self own as an acknowledging that Nebraska can't recruit Texas…at all anymore.

And as a result they don't have enough California kids to be anywhere close to relevant. And if they were in the 12, they'd be able to recruit Texas and would be a better program. May not win more but would have more talent. They've been tossed aside as a bygone of yesteryear

They've gone the way of aggy. Now this is supposedly aggy year so we shall see.

They of their ten win season in 25 years and zero titles

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muddybrazos said:

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CHP Bear said:

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Bakersdozen said:

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They would be a nice replacement for OU. Reignite rivalries and get Texas kids again but it will NEVER happen.

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No question losing Texas recruits has hurt both Nebraska and Missouri. I think Nebraska has 5 players on 2022 roster by way of Texas. A far cry from the 15+ or so back in their glory days. Come to think of it their glory days were so last century. How does a once vaunted football program story begin? Once upon a time…

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Mizzoos problem wasnt just losing Texas recruits. They were a solid program when they entered the SEC and were set up for success but their program got destroyed by BLM and the spillover from Ferguson impacting their campus. The entire enrollment of the school dropped 30% in the wake of the Ferguson riots and the sit ins on their campus. Pinkel retired due to health reasons but that was probably the excuse to get out when he did. Colorado and Nebraska both had a decline in their program as a result of not having the Texas pipeline, though.

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Correct. Both Texas recruiting and student enrollment went in the tank. 2015 Wasn't a good year. Neither has rebounded. One thing in Mizzou favor is they are in SEC West. 10 from Texas recruits this year compared to approx. 23 seven years ago. In Pinkel's day he'd bag 20 to 25 Texans. What a difference a protest can make.

Nebraska hasn't been the same since they lost 62-36 to Colorado 21 years ago, and it couldn't have happened to a "nicer" program.

Reverend said:

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If that big money doesn't create success in competition what's it really worth? Better facilities and the highest paid coaches are supposed to take you somewhere..... but if they don't it doesn't mean much.

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Exactly, what's the point of its just going to get the results they have gotten. They are one of the few schools that could take a pay cut and still make real money. They threw away more than anyone in traditional rivalries and recruiting grounds. The embarrassment is their reward.

Bearprof said:

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Nebraska hasn't been the same since they lost 62-36 to Colorado 21 years ago, and it couldn't have happened to a "nicer" program.

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But relevancy is defined as 3 & 9 in the Big 10. lol

The XII killed Nebraska when it adopted the SWC one PQ rule vs. the Big 8's unlimited. Osborne built his program on thugs and criminals that could not get into school.

PAC has some openings. They can hang with Colorado again.

Apparently many dream of the same real estate twice. Not me. Stay out.

Sic Em Bears said:

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I'm glad they lost.
I'm sad for Smoak.

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At least he has the Redskins...oh yeah, I mean Commanders.

Always gonna be Deadskins to me.

Dia del DougO said:

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Sic Em Bears said:

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I'm glad they lost.
I'm sad for Smoak.

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At least he has the Redskins...oh yeah, I mean Commanders.

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How completely stupid

Just dropping the mascot altogether was less stupid

But it's all just completely stupid

Guy Noir said:

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On another note, Nebraska looks like a pretty good team, but they fade in the 4th qtr to pull out a loss.

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They got worked over by a Northwestern team that was 3-9 last year and was a 13 point underdog. I will be fading Nebraska all year just as I did in week 0.