Stefano DiMera said:

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Medical degree?

I counter that Larry Fedora did more damage than any concussion.

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Don't need a medical degree to look at the product on the field and see a mind that couldn't process more than one read, and an arm that had clearly weakened through the numerous hits.

I'll agree that Larry Fedora didn't do him any favors. And that's on Aranda for hiring him. But I give equal props to Aranda for quickly moving to rectify that situation.

Aranda made the right moves, and we won a Big 12 championship and a Sugar Bowl as a result.

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BaylorGuru said:

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Here comes the "I've been a fan since the 80s and we sucked. Be grateful" guy. Loser mindset and why a lot of Baylor fans are embarrassing

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Actually... we were pretty damn good in the 80s. So, yes I have seen prosperity and poverty. Always grateful for the former, no matter the abundance.

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Depends on what you mean by pretty damn good. Was this season pretty damn good?

We had 80,85, & 86 that were really good. The rest of the 80s were either about like this season or worse.

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Class of 89, so yes I saw some good football during my time.

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So you saw two 9-3 seasons and two 6-5 seasons (no bowls). No conference championships. Nothing as good as last year. This year is on par with your junior and senior seasons. You saw decent football. Nothing incredible.

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BaylorGuru said:

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Here comes the "I've been a fan since the 80s and we sucked. Be grateful" guy. Loser mindset and why a lot of Baylor fans are embarrassing

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Actually... we were pretty damn good in the 80s. So, yes I have seen prosperity and poverty. Always grateful for the former, no matter the abundance.

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Depends on what you mean by pretty damn good. Was this season pretty damn good?

We had 80,85, & 86 that were really good. The rest of the 80s were either about like this season or worse.

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Class of 89, so yes I saw some good football during my time.

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So you saw two 9-3 seasons and two 6-5 seasons (no bowls). No conference championships. Nothing as good as last year. This year is on par with your junior and senior seasons. You saw decent football. Nothing incredible.

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Yes, and was grateful for those years, considering what followed for nearly two decades. If that makes me a "loser" to some impatient "fans" on this board, so be it. I'm at peace with that.

Today was so close. The loss can be explained by any one of a number of mistakes. It's no read on to overreact. It's foolish to dump Aranda after what he did last year. Yes, we've had too many disappointments this year. So has everyone else in the conference except TCU.

We've known since September that this conference was stacked & with insane parity. The records of every team demonstrate the cannibalization that has taken place. In hindsight, it was completely predictable.

Our goal now must be to win in Austin & in the bowl game. Next year will be a new season with new opportunities.

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Because I see right through Bernstein bear bullsh*t he talks about. Watch him on the sideline through out a game and tell me what he actually does.

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It's "Berenstain Bears."

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Stefano DiMera said:

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Jesus fool...Matt Rhule has nothing to do with this loss..did he not sign Bohannon?

How about some player development of Shapen? I know Rhule was good at that.

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You don't need to take the Lord's name in vain, but nothing surprises me with this superficially Christian university.

I would counter the point about development by saying that you can only polish a turd so much. Another counter to that point is that under Rhule, Charlie Brewer regressed as he got older.

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This isn't remotely true. Charlie's junior year was his best as a Baylor Bear. He only regressed after rule left and Fedora took over the office.

Lol. I think you just proved his point

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Because I see right through Bernstein bear bullsh*t he talks about. Watch him on the sideline through out a game and tell me what he actually does.

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He's right out of a SNL public radio skit where the announcers are cerebral,,,and talk in monotone … he's a left coaster and u will never see him in any players face …we're done ..

So all of you folks on Team Guru, please do tell who would be a better coach that Baylor could realistically get that would get us 9+ wins every year.

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Because I see right through Bernstein bear bullsh*t he talks about. Watch him on the sideline through out a game and tell me what he actually does.

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The 'I don't like him because he's calm' thing is kind of silly. Would you like him to jump up and down like a Teletubby and crap his pants? Give rousing speeches? How is that working for Joey Maguire. The offensive and defensive coordinators are the ones calling the plays. The coach is controlling the game from a high level. Honestly, what do you expect him to do differently, and please explain how that change will be better

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Maybe more like the Houston coach with slightly more hair

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So all of you folks on Team Guru, please do tell who would be a better coach that Baylor could realistically get that would get us 9+ wins every year.

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you know who they want. He's never coming back, and if anyone can't get over it, they seriously need to go see a counselor to try to improve their mental health

In all reality for me as a Baylor and football fan, I would rather lose 29-28, then win 61-58. I can't stand the idea of giving up 50+ points in a game ever again. Hopefully those dismal defensive days are gone forever. They will be as long as Aranda is at the helm.

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In all reality for me as a Baylor and football fan, I would rather lose 29-28, then win 61-58. I can't stand the idea of giving up 50+ points in a game ever again. Hopefully those dismal defensive days are gone forever. They will be as long as Aranda is at the helm.

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I like Coach Aranda, but I always prefer to win.

For sure. Losing sucks. Ultimately defense wins games and championships.

Well, he's won more games than the last experimental hire we made on a coordinator with zero HC experience. Now his choices of coaches may need to be questioned, but I'm confident he sees that as well.

We'll see next year.

Steele has since done fairly well since he's been back in his own lane. But at the same time, you don't see other programs jumping at the bit to hire him as a HC, either.

For a reason. Internal Improvements

Please rename this thread:

"BaylorGuru is not the answer"

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In all reality for me as a Baylor and football fan, I would rather lose 29-28, then win 61-58. I can't stand the idea of giving up 50+ points in a game ever again. Hopefully those dismal defensive days are gone forever. They will be as long as Aranda is at the helm.

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Is this sarcasm

No...just facts. You want sarcasm then believe as long as your team scores 61 and the other team scores 58, you are a national championship contender. That would be sarcasm or delusional.

Actually you do need a medical degree to make that determination.. because you just described Shapen..and he was making those same kind of bad decisions before the concussion at Morgantown.

And arms don't weaken with concussions..dear Lord.. don't quit your day job.

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I would give it another year. As I said we are a couple of extra points away from being 8-3. I know if we had GB at QB we would be 8-3 or 9-2 and that is an Aranda decision but from what I've seen, 2-7, to 12-2 Sugar Bowl win to a bowl game, I'm not throwing Dave under the bus just yet.

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How do you know we'd be 9-2 with GB?

You realize he's the reason we lost to TCU last year, right?

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He's also the reason Baylor made it to the B12 championship.

Not exactly a Bohannon ride-or-die, but food for thought.

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Not sure what team you were watching, but BUs offense rode the coattails of our Amazing D. Of course GB played his part, but he wasn't the reason we were B12 champs. Nothing against GB but our offense last year was above average but not that good.

If Aranda is not the right answer then someone is asking the wrong questions.

But why oh why do we give GB his job back for the Sugar Bowl then win the game then tell him we are going with the "strong armed" shortstop who has one half of tremendous football under his belt and encourage GB to transfer? I think CDA will be forever regretting that decision. I said it many times and I'll say it again. If GB is our QB and he doesn't get injured, we are 8-3 or 9-2 right now. Argue with me, but I'm right.

I doubt anyone encouraged Gerry to transfer. It's in our interest to have an experienced & skilled backup. I remember 2015. Just because Aranda informed Gerry of the decision early enough to give him the choice doesn't mean they wanted him to leave. We could have used his leadership this season.

Exactly!!! TCU troll joined today to make idiotic comments. Ignore him.

I'm sorry but "I'd rather lose pretty than win ugly" is all I took away from that.

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But he's not. And most the losses are on the coaches

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Ignorant post. You clearly know little about Aranda & his accomplishments.

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But why oh why do we give GB his job back for the Sugar Bowl then win the game then tell him we are going with the "strong armed" shortstop who has one half of tremendous football under his belt and encourage GB to transfer? I think CDA will be forever regretting that decision. I said it many times and I'll say it again. If GB is our QB and he doesn't get injured, we are 8-3 or 9-2 right now. Argue with me, but I'm right.

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GB played in the Sugar Bowl by default. Shapen was injured in the Big XII Championship game and couldn't play in the bowl game. GB was 7/17 for 40 yards with one TD and an interception in the Sugar Bowl. Oh please, give me more of that.

Plain and simple, Shapen beat Gerry out in the spring. Blake is a sophomore and will improve or he'll get beat out by someone else. It was obvious GB was not the answer. I believe GB was not only beat out for #1 but he was informed Drones might be #2.

I think too many people focus on practice (versus game-time experience).

Not saying practice isn't important, but it's a totally different 'ballgame' for a QB (who wears that thing called a red jersey).

You can't compare a 'non-contact' situation to one where a 300-lb defensive lineman is charging hard at you (and won't let up).

Our previous QB excelled in the latter situation. The other ended up in the medical tent in both games he started last year.

So maybe making a monumental decision on the QB spot, primarily based on a scrimmage/practice setting, isn't always the best move at the end of the day.


As for the NY6 Bowl Game:

Not saying Gerry had a 'Vince Young' like performance in the Sugar Bowl, but he was able to get the ship safely to port when it was all said and done.

And I can assure you of this - There are many QB's who would have 'completely' folded when things weren't going well, and would've made sure we didn't leave New Orleans with 12 wins.

It doesn't have to be pretty, but I'll take an ugly, 'grind-it-out' win over a 'good-looking' loss all day long.

PLEASE don't fall for this Guru B.S. He's gathering BU salt to distribute to other sites. Don't react to his crap.

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I think too many people focus on practice (versus game-time experience).

Not saying practice isn't important, but it's a totally different 'ballgame' for a QB (who wears that thing called a red jersey).

You can't compare a 'non-contact' situation to one where a 300-lb defensive lineman is charging hard at you (and won't let up).

Our previous QB excelled in the latter situation. The other ended up in the medical tent in both games he started last year.

So maybe making a monumental decision on the QB spot, primarily based on a scrimmage/practice setting, isn't always the best move at the end of the day.


As for the NY6 Bowl Game:

Not saying Gerry had a 'Vince Young' like performance in the Sugar Bowl, but he was able to get the ship safely to port when it was all said and done.

And I can assure you of this - There are many QB's who would have 'completely' folded when things weren't going well, and would've made sure we didn't leave New Orleans with 12 wins.

It doesn't have to be pretty, but I'll take an ugly, 'grind-it-out' win over a 'good-looking' loss all day long.

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also pretty sure he wasn't fully recovered from his hamstring injury, which affected all aspects of his game--sure wish we'd had him this season b/c his "intangibles" were fantastic and MUCH needed this year

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PLEASE don't fall for this Guru B.S. He's gathering BU salt to distribute to other sites. Don't react to his crap.

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I know why are folks feeding this troll?

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I would give it another year. As I said we are a couple of extra points away from being 8-3. I know if we had GB at QB we would be 8-3 or 9-2 and that is an Aranda decision but from what I've seen, 2-7, to 12-2 Sugar Bowl win to a bowl game, I'm not throwing Dave under the bus just yet.

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How do you know we'd be 9-2 with GB?

You realize he's the reason we lost to TCU last year, right?

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He's also the reason Baylor made it to the B12 championship.

Not exactly a Bohannon ride-or-die, but food for thought.

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Not sure what team you were watching, but BUs offense rode the coattails of our Amazing D. Of course GB played his part, but he wasn't the reason we were B12 champs. Nothing against GB but our offense last year was above average but not that good.

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You know what Bohannon didn't do? He didn't cause you to lose a game (with the exception of the TCU game) He converted 3rd and short yardage plays and didn't make momentum killing turnovers
You don't replace that guy you improve that guy in the offseason. However i have a feeling we don't have a guy on staff who can develop quarterbacks

BTW Baylor offense was ranked 3rd in the Big 12 last year.
Nothing wrong with that. No need to bench the starter for captain Average. If we had a top ranked QB waiting i wouldn't have had a problem with GB losing his job but we didn't

We're with you Dave win or tie.

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Someone needs to say it. Aranda won with Rhules seniors. His "calm" shtick" is not cool anymore. He shows no emotion and the players reflect that. He looks brain dead during the game and never has his headset down. I get he doesn't call plays but he hears them and doesn't change anything. The quicker we move on, the quicker we get back to winning

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Of course he did and because Rhule hung us out to dry for so long, Aranda's first class was basically anyone we could get. Aranda's recruits from the last two recruiting classes are mostly freshmen or redshirt freshmen. The recruiting class the second year was limited because of how crappy we did during the Covid year. He has only been able to recruit on success one time (current recruits). And the quicker you fire someone that just got hired sends the message to any coach worth their salt to say thanks, but no thanks.

Just wondering how you earned your user name.

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Self anointed. Name he earned would be blanked out on this site. Twitter user name is frog58.