https://tulsaworld.com/sports/college/tu/tu-fires-football-coach-philip-montgomery-after-eight-seasons/article_4cc69ebe-6eaa-11ed-8ca0-6bef59040cce.html

RGIII used to really credit him as his QB coach…he actually taught him things he did not know before college..just mentioning it.

PartyBear said:

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RGIII used to really credit him as his QB coach…he actually taught him things he did not know before college..just mentioning it.

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LOL

I wonder if Joey has already reached out to him?

Texas State should hire Briles and he should bring Monty with him as OC. After a couple years they'd smoke a lot of teams.

Was going to post earlier today if he could survive as head coach and I guess the answer is no.seems he started strong.

Tulsa is stupid to fire Montgomery IMO. He's kept that program at a competitive and respectable level through some ups and downs. The odds of Tulsa getting someone significantly better or more loyal to that program are pretty slim.

BellCountyBear said:

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I wonder if Joey has already reached out to him?

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For what? Kittley is a super bright young OC. They're not going to be replacing him anytime soon IMO.

bear2be2 said:

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Tulsa is stupid to fire Montgomery IMO. He's kept that program at a competitive and respectable level through some ups and downs. The odds of Tulsa getting someone significantly better or more loyal to that program are pretty slim.

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Somewhat agree on the other hand he has been there 8 years and had 3 winning seasons. His year 8 was 5-7. So I can see how they think they need something new from their stand point.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Texas State should hire Briles and he should bring Monty with him as OC. After a couple years they'd smoke a lot of teams.

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That's an interesting thought. I don't know if Texas State is interested in dealing with the backlash for a guy who will be 67 next week, though.

PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Tulsa is stupid to fire Montgomery IMO. He's kept that program at a competitive and respectable level through some ups and downs. The odds of Tulsa getting someone significantly better or more loyal to that program are pretty slim.

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Somewhat agree on the other hand he has been there 8 years and had 3 winning seasons. His year 8 was 5-7. So I can see how they think they need something new from their stand point.

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Montgomery is one of only four coaches in Tulsa's history that has ever had a Year 8, and none of those have come in this century.

Finding someone who can win there who won't leave for greener pastures at the first opportunity will be very difficult.

You're better off at that program finding a Dan McCarney or Frank Solich type, who will keep your program respectable and have some good highs around some tolerable lows.

bear2be2 said:

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Tulsa is stupid to fire Montgomery IMO. He's kept that program at a competitive and respectable level through some ups and downs. The odds of Tulsa getting someone significantly better or more loyal to that program are pretty slim.

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IDK about that. Monty was there a long time and had a 10 win season in 2016 but his next best season was 7-6 last year. He had a lot of bad seasons other than that. He was there since 2015 so its not like he didnt get a shot. Tulsa just wants to get to SMU level which should be doable. I dont know who they will hire but they will probably go back to trying to get an up and comer that will get them to pretty good then bail for a p5 after 3 seasons but thats about all they can hope for.

Monty was very mediocre there outside of one season.

There really aren't that many fanbases out there that are just going to be like, "well, we're Tulsa, we should just be happy going 5-7 and maybe having one pretty good season here and there." People want to win, lol

You said "Tulsa" and "Fanbase" in the same sentence. They don't have a fanbase. They are a very small (smallest in the FBS, less than a third the size of SMU and smaller than the service academies) rich, liberal school in a very middle class conservative town, where everyone is either an OU or OSU fan. I have a buddy who grew up in Dallas and was a linebacker at Tulsa during the late 70's. You have to pull it out of him that he played there. He pulls for OSU.

By the way, I like Tulsa. Seems like a very livable town with nice folks.

The Hound said:

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Monty was very mediocre there outside of one season.

There really aren't that many fanbases out there that are just going to be like, "well, we're Tulsa, we should just be happy going 5-7 and maybe having one pretty good season here and there." People want to win, lol

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This. He had overstayed his welcome there and deserved ti be fired.

Monty seemed to be getting away from the Briles offense or maybe it wasn't very effective with his talent. Briles was able to take a lot of poor teams and make them better but he needed a QB.

Briles and his immediate crew are down in college football. Some legacies are hanging on.

CorsicanaBear said:

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You said "Tulsa" and "Fanbase" in the same sentence. They don't have a fanbase. They are a very small (smallest in the FBS, less than a third the size of SMU and smaller than the service academies) rich, liberal school in a very middle class conservative town, where everyone is either an OU or OSU fan. I have a buddy who grew up in Dallas and was a linebacker at Tulsa during the late 70's. You have to pull it out of him that he played there. He pulls for OSU.

By the way, I like Tulsa. Seems like a very livable town with nice folks.

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This. Tulsa is a tiny university that is overachieving simply by fielding Division I programs.

Their three coaches before Kragthorpe all had sub-.400 winning percentages, a stretch that included their longest-tenured coach in program history, David Rader (50-83 from 1988-1999).

And none of the three coaches before Montgomery were on campus longer than four years.

It's really a question of what you value more -- a high, unsustainable ceiling or a respectable floor. But Tulsa will never do better than a good year once every three or four years followed by a coaching change and the unknown/instability that comes with that.

I watched a good number of Tulsa games over Monty's stay there. I am not sure I ever saw another team that could have won more games but saw the ball bounce the wrong way for one reason or another during that time. Tulsa was competitive but had some wacky loses. I'm not sure what to make of that.

Briles isn't there. That's the difference. The juice wasn't a system so much as it was him constantly innovating.

We could use him at Baylor. We haven't had QB development since Briles left.

I watched a lot of Tulsa since Monty went there. He fielded good teams and took OU and OSU to the wire on more than one occasion. I understand why they moved on but as someone said above, they found the craziest ways to lose games at the final buzzer to much better teams. Not sure they'll find a better coach or a better guy but I hope he lands somewhere else.

hodedofome said:

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We could use him at Baylor. We haven't had QB development since Briles left.

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And all of them took 2+ years to develop.

Tulsa being a very small school is also in some financial trouble. Monty's buyout must be super low right now for them to pull the plug. As mentioned above his teams were competitive on the scoreboard just unfortunately not as much in the W/L column. He should be a pretty highly sought after assistant. Tulsa may want to consider running the option.

The firing caught me 100% surprised. Tulsa looked awesome running over UH Saturday night. That QB is a monster.

I seriously doubt Tulsa will find anyone better as that is the smallest University in terms of athletics G5

I'd hope we could get some help from their receivers and QB in the portal

I wonder if young Riley (TCU's OC) would take a gamble and seek this job or Tulane's should it open as rumored.

Phil was a great asset to Baylor but I've never forgiven him for ducking out on the Cotton Bowl. Baby Briles wasn't ready and we would have won with Phil calling the plays.

He's too soft spoken. Great technician, bad head coach.

Aliceinbubbleland said:

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The firing caught me 100% surprised. Tulsa looked awesome running over UH Saturday night. That QB is a monster.

I seriously doubt Tulsa will find anyone better as that is the smallest University in terms of athletics G5

I'd hope we could get some help from their receivers and QB in the portal

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Not me. Won't be surprised is Syracuse fired Babbers, either.

A good friend of mine is a Tulsa grad and huge fan of the football team there and his Dad was one of the best players to ever play there. He told me he is rooting for them to hire the coach of Incarnate Word. Not sure if this will happen but this is the type of guy they would get then hope he stays 3-4 years before he moves up.

Tulsa is a fantastic city...a larger version of what Waco should aspire to .

I went for the first time when we played our 1st round against NM State and USC a few years ago. Fell in love with the city.

Stefano DiMera said:

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Tulsa is a fantastic city...a larger version of what Waco should aspire to .

I went for the first time when we played our 1st round against NM State and USC a few years ago. Fell in love with the city.

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Agree about Tulsa. Our daughter was a modestly successful high school rower (1st place at state regatta in a lightweight double among other things) who was recruited by Tulsa. Strongly considered going there. Really enjoyed our visits. Ultimately she went elsewhere with a better scholarship offer (rowing scholarships are usually partial). Was always a little disappointed she didn't go there, though it's all good now.

GJ Kinne..yes the son of the former Baylor great... current Incarnate Word coach is on the short list.

He played for Tulsa after originally signing with Texas over Baylor as I recall.

PartyBear said:

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He played for Tulsa after originally signing with Texas over Baylor as I recall.

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He did indeed. He started for three years there and had a good, solid career.

BREAKING: Ohio State Offensive Coordinator/Tight Ends Coach Kevin Wilson has agreed to become the next Head Coach at Tulsa.

Wilson had a great 9 season run at OU from 2002-10, before becoming the Head Coach at Indiana & then OC at tOSU.

I expect him to be introduced tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/qGJz11TUws

— Cayden McFarland (@caydenmc) December 5, 2022

If this proves correct, Tulsa just fired Monty for a guy with a .356 win percentage as a head coach. Kevin Wilson had a couple of decent years at Indiana and has held some really high profile OC jobs, but it's hard to make a case that this is a significant upgrade.