JP1037 said:

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Novosad he should be game 1 starter if he is healthy and our line can protect him a little.

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His bio list him at 6-3" and 185 lbs.
I would think he is going to need to bulk up quite a bit.
Shapen playing at 200 lbs gets bounced like a pinball.


Sorry to see Drones go. I thought his arm strength, mobility and knowledge of the offense should have warranted him some more playing time. Even if it was some wildcat plays.

I'm just hoping Grimes and Aranda aren't playing #12 as the best card for next year.

muddybrazos said:

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Get Hudson Card and drive on up 35. He is better than any qb we have on campus.

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I agree

IowaBear said:

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Perhaps Dave didn't want to be wrong (spitballing) but there was zero reason to not give him a shot.

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There were a lot of potential reasons to not give him a shot, not least of which the guys who've actually been watching and evaluating him for two years (which isn't us) didn't rate him. Other than KSU we had a shot to win every one of our losses in the 4th quarter. Our offense was not amazing but it wasn't bad either, and it's way more plausible that our offense would've taken steps back as opposed to steps forward considering his lack of experience, our general level of productivity and the worst WR group in the Big 12.

It will all come out in the wash depending on what Drones does at his next stop. I wish him well. I also have no data or even a reasonable argument to doubt the coaching staff on this call. If you have some data we don't I'm all ears, but the burden of proof is on you.

Make the bowl game part of the competition. Tell Drones and Shapen that each will play 1 half of football. Whoever plays better gets the lead going into Spring ball haha

BaylorGuru said:

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If aranda doesn't name shapen starter and let bohannon leave, bohannon plays vs byu, wins, and starts the rest of the season. Ex: TCU

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so you are not a big fan of person over player?

I guess Aranda could have strung both guys along like many coaches do but, that's not him.

And we'll continue to be average with this mindset

BEAR 45 said:

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parch said:

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BaylorGuru said:

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Aranda opened the door and guided him out. Then was applauded by Baylor fans for allowing Gerry to transfer.

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Good to see people have no agency or control of their own actions then. Makes it convenient when you're trying to prove a slanted point with a single diseased note.

Our offense produced more points per game, more yards per game (including more passing YPG), more first downs, fewer penalties and almost the same exact number of turnovers per game compared with our offense under Bohanon. Shapen isn't the answer, but Bohanon wouldn't have been with this diminished group of RBs and WRs and a significantly worse defense either. They're both middling QBs on good days. Bohanon is also statistically incapable of making it through a full season, but that's another issue entirely.

At root this is not a Drones issue or a Shapen issue or a Bohanon issue or even an Aranda issue. It's a competition issue. Drones would have every chance to win the job this offseason, and it looks like he's about to pass on it and most likely go somewhere with a QB1 worse than Shapen (and there are a lot of those programs out there).

Unless you have some sort of smoking bullet or evidence that Drones noticeably outplayed Shapen and deserved to be starting to outstrip those of our coaching staff, then please present your evidence and credentials. If that information exists I would honestly love to see it. Otherwise it's just hearsay with an agenda.

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if he was considered as our #2 and capable of filling that role, he deserved the chance to show it.

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He didn't deserve anything. Certainly a #2 doesn't deserve playing time simply by virtue of being there. He earns it, and Drones lost the competition to both Bohanon and Shapen in the spring. The coaching staff clearly still viewed Drones as a QB3 in a QB2 role out of necessity. And just randomly bringing backups off the bench isn't common unless they fill some unique niche in the offense. Drones doesn't have a unique skill set that would've added anything to the offense above what we already have - he's not faster than Shapen, not a better short yardage option than Jones or Doyle, so the only reason you'd play him is if you just thought he was better.

I don't know whether they were right or not, but they made an informed decision on hundreds of data points we don't have. To be so convinced they were wrong based on literally nothing is just wild to me.

BaylorGuru said:

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And we'll continue to be average with this mindset

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Doubtful.

blackie said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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parch said:

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BaylorGuru said:

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Aranda opened the door and guided him out. Then was applauded by Baylor fans for allowing Gerry to transfer.

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Good to see people have no agency or control of their own actions then. Makes it convenient when you're trying to prove a slanted point with a single diseased note.

Our offense produced more points per game, more yards per game (including more passing YPG), more first downs, fewer penalties and almost the same exact number of turnovers per game compared with our offense under Bohanon. Shapen isn't the answer, but Bohanon wouldn't have been with this diminished group of RBs and WRs and a significantly worse defense either. They're both middling QBs on good days. Bohanon is also statistically incapable of making it through a full season, but that's another issue entirely.

At root this is not a Drones issue or a Shapen issue or a Bohanon issue or even an Aranda issue. It's a competition issue. Drones would have every chance to win the job this offseason, and it looks like he's about to pass on it and most likely go somewhere with a QB1 worse than Shapen (and there are a lot of those programs out there).

Unless you have some sort of smoking bullet or evidence that Drones noticeably outplayed Shapen and deserved to be starting to outstrip those of our coaching staff, then please present your evidence and credentials. If that information exists I would honestly love to see it. Otherwise it's just hearsay with an agenda.

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Who has stated that Drones should have started ? He got ZERO playing time except for a few short yardage goal line snaps. We finished 6-6, and there was not a point where he might have provided a spark ? Why would he have any confidence in the "competition" this spring, based on this year. I don;t know if Drones would have made any difference, but if he was considered as our #2 and capable of filling that role, he deserved the chance to show it.

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Actually, he got some playing time in the 4th quarter of the WV game. He had a couple of series when Shapen was out. Limited data points, but I recall once where he panicked and just threw the ball up for grabs in the middle of the field resulting in an interception while we were in or close to FG territory. Hard to fault a guy on such limited data, but the coaches saw him for two years in practice.

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And considered him capable of being #2 and an able backup before naming Shapen the starter after the Spring game ? I went to that spring game and while I admit Shapen looked slightly better, it certainly did not appear to be that much difference between the two main contenders. IMO not enough to gamble the next season on it. Shapen looked good last year when he was given the opportunity in several games late, but that was also with a different cast of players around him. Truth is, he had little game time experience starting this year. I love Aranda as Baylor's coach and have a lot of respect for his ability and character, but he loves to gamble., sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, this year he lost

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BEAR 45 said:

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True Grit said:

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Who is the back-up for the Bowl Game if Shapen gets hurt?

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Bigger question is what to do if Novosad changes his mind

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Hit the portal really hard.

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Great plan, but what is the sales pitch ? We have an offense that is run oriented is not exactly what a QB transfer want's to hear. In addition, we have a highly touted high school QB committed but not yet signed doesn't sound too good either. By the way, we just lost a 4 star QB who was tired of pulling splinters out of his back side ?

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This is the way of the portal and will be a thorn in the @$$ for most FBS programs. The QB coach may be the 2nd most important coach on any team nowadays. If they don't develop clear talent that stands out heads and shoulders above QB2, the team will very likely lose QB2 come December.
The other issue is that QBs are quite possibly the biggest alphas of any position in any sport. Being #2 is not an option for them.

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^^^^
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Teams better start coming up with an NIL program for QB2 and QB3 if they are ever going to develop anyone.

In addition to the team and players suffering, the NFL will soon feel the effects by having a ton of under-developed QBs

BEAR 45 said:

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parch said:

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BaylorGuru said:

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Aranda opened the door and guided him out. Then was applauded by Baylor fans for allowing Gerry to transfer.

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Good to see people have no agency or control of their own actions then. Makes it convenient when you're trying to prove a slanted point with a single diseased note.

Our offense produced more points per game, more yards per game (including more passing YPG), more first downs, fewer penalties and almost the same exact number of turnovers per game compared with our offense under Bohanon. Shapen isn't the answer, but Bohanon wouldn't have been with this diminished group of RBs and WRs and a significantly worse defense either. They're both middling QBs on good days. Bohanon is also statistically incapable of making it through a full season, but that's another issue entirely.

At root this is not a Drones issue or a Shapen issue or a Bohanon issue or even an Aranda issue. It's a competition issue. Drones would have every chance to win the job this offseason, and it looks like he's about to pass on it and most likely go somewhere with a QB1 worse than Shapen (and there are a lot of those programs out there).

Unless you have some sort of smoking bullet or evidence that Drones noticeably outplayed Shapen and deserved to be starting to outstrip those of our coaching staff, then please present your evidence and credentials. If that information exists I would honestly love to see it. Otherwise it's just hearsay with an agenda.

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Who has stated that Drones should have started ? He got ZERO playing time except for a few short yardage goal line snaps. We finished 6-6, and there was not a point where he might have provided a spark ? Why would he have any confidence in the "competition" this spring, based on this year. I don;t know if Drones would have made any difference, but if he was considered as our #2 and capable of filling that role, he deserved the chance to show it.

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Keep in mind that had GB not transferred out, the guy you are going to bat for would have been QB3. How far out on that limb do you want to go?

BaylorGuru said:

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And we'll continue to be average with this mindset

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The "just win" mindset didn't work out too well for the university either.

Wherever he goes Drones won't be any better there. Maybe the coaches there will be better evaluators. We'll see.
It's a crazy world in college football. I don't like it.

When Aranda kept trotting Brewer out there in 2020..who was the backup everyone on here was clamoring for him to put in?

This doesn't mean he is gone for sure. If you look at his statement he even leaves a return to Baylor as a possibility.

JP1037 said:

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Coaches have been wrong before. But our coaches didn't want to give him a chance.

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I think I'm remembering this correctly....under Rhule didn't we start one year with Anu Solomon as QB1 and another year with Jalan McClendon as QB1? All that to say....what can be determined in Spring and Fall practice may not always prove out once the year starts.

BEAR 45 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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True Grit said:

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Who is the back-up for the Bowl Game if Shapen gets hurt?

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Bigger question is what to do if Novosad changes his mind

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Hit the portal really hard.

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Great plan, but what is the sales pitch ? We have an offense that is run oriented is not exactly what a QB transfer want's to hear. In addition, we have a highly touted high school QB committed but not yet signed doesn't sound too good either. By the way, we just lost a 4 star QB who was tired of pulling splinters out of his back side ?

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They could lean on Grimes work with Zach Wilson and him being a 2nd overall pick in the draft. (Just don't look at his NFL stats)

Also, I've certainly been pumping the novosad sunshine because I do think his arm is better than any quarterback Baylor has recruited since Stidham, but I don't see him as an immediate starter. I would be shocked if we don't look for a quarterback in the transfer portal at this point

parch said:

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BaylorGuru said:

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Aranda opened the door and guided him out. Then was applauded by Baylor fans for allowing Gerry to transfer.

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Good to see people have no agency or control of their own actions then. Makes it convenient when you're trying to prove a slanted point with a single diseased note.

Our offense produced more points per game, more yards per game (including more passing YPG), more first downs, fewer penalties and almost the same exact number of turnovers per game compared with our offense under Bohanon. Shapen isn't the answer, but Bohanon wouldn't have been with this diminished group of RBs and WRs and a significantly worse defense either. They're both middling QBs on good days. Bohanon is also statistically incapable of making it through a full season, but that's another issue entirely.

At root this is not a Drones issue or a Shapen issue or a Bohanon issue or even an Aranda issue. It's a competition issue. Drones would have every chance to win the job this offseason, and it looks like he's about to pass on it and most likely go somewhere with a QB1 worse than Shapen (and there are a lot of those programs out there).

Unless you have some sort of smoking bullet or evidence that Drones noticeably outplayed Shapen and deserved to be starting to outstrip those of our coaching staff, then please present your evidence and credentials. If that information exists I would honestly love to see it. Otherwise it's just hearsay with an agenda.

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Just a PSA for those that don't know....."BaylorGuru" is a TCU troll on our boards. He posts here to get reactions.

If I were Drones dad, I'm not looking at what happened with Shapen/Bohannon/Drones. I'm looking at Brewer/Bohannon.

Seems our coaches are slow to give time to backups to develop. If he wants a play to get to the league (his goal), can these guys get him there.

My point is Drones will still be Drones. Whatever that is. Maybe our coaches mis-evaluated him. Or maybe not.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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PaperBear89 said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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True Grit said:

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Who is the back-up for the Bowl Game if Shapen gets hurt?

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Bigger question is what to do if Novosad changes his mind

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Hit the portal really hard.

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Great plan, but what is the sales pitch ? We have an offense that is run oriented is not exactly what a QB transfer want's to hear. In addition, we have a highly touted high school QB committed but not yet signed doesn't sound too good either. By the way, we just lost a 4 star QB who was tired of pulling splinters out of his back side ?

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This is the way of the portal and will be a thorn in the @$$ for most FBS programs. The QB coach may be the 2nd most important coach on any team nowadays. If they don't develop clear talent that stands out heads and shoulders above QB2, the team will very likely lose QB2 come December.
The other issue is that QBs are quite possibly the biggest alphas of any position in any sport. Being #2 is not an option for them.

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^^^^
THIS

Teams better start coming up with an NIL program for QB2 and QB3 if they are ever going to develop anyone.

In addition to the team and players suffering, the NFL will soon feel the effects by having a ton of under-developed QBs

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What are the chances the NFL could be convinced to fork over some NIL money for QB development?

Fair point, agree with that

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boognish_bear said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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True Grit said:

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Who is the back-up for the Bowl Game if Shapen gets hurt?

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Bigger question is what to do if Novosad changes his mind

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Hit the portal really hard.

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Great plan, but what is the sales pitch ? We have an offense that is run oriented is not exactly what a QB transfer want's to hear. In addition, we have a highly touted high school QB committed but not yet signed doesn't sound too good either. By the way, we just lost a 4 star QB who was tired of pulling splinters out of his back side ?

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They could lean on Grimes work with Zach Wilson and him being a 2nd overall pick in the draft. (Just don't look at his NFL stats)

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If Novosad decommits then Shawn Bell frankly needs to be fired. I'm sure he's an OK coach on the field, but he's certainly not any kind of irreplaceable quarterback guru, and the quarterback situation is just so bleak right now in general. How do we end up with one scholarship quarterback on a team?

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I thought Novosad was supposed to sign on the signing day next week or whenever it is and enroll in January. i doubt with things that planned out at this point he would decommit.

PartyBear said:

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The Hound said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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True Grit said:

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Who is the back-up for the Bowl Game if Shapen gets hurt?

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Bigger question is what to do if Novosad changes his mind

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Hit the portal really hard.

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Great plan, but what is the sales pitch ? We have an offense that is run oriented is not exactly what a QB transfer want's to hear. In addition, we have a highly touted high school QB committed but not yet signed doesn't sound too good either. By the way, we just lost a 4 star QB who was tired of pulling splinters out of his back side ?

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They could lean on Grimes work with Zach Wilson and him being a 2nd overall pick in the draft. (Just don't look at his NFL stats)

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If Novosad decommits then Shawn Bell frankly needs to be fired. I'm sure he's an OK coach on the field, but he's certainly not any kind of irreplaceable quarterback guru, and the quarterback situation is just so bleak right now in general. How do we end up with one scholarship quarterback on a team?

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I thought Novosad was supposed to sign on the signing day next week or whenever it is and enroll in January. i doubt with things that planned out at this point he would decommit.

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I wouldn't think so either, but crazier things have happened and the poster above mentioned him decommitting

Exactly correct on "Baylor Guru". Not a Baylor fan and I wish people would not respond to his/her posts. Just trying to get reaction and start something.

Tell me where I'm wrong when I say it would have been great to have Gerry as a back up and that he probably would have been brought in for the byu game. And that's the fault of the coaches

PartyBear said:

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The Hound said:

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boognish_bear said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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True Grit said:

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Who is the back-up for the Bowl Game if Shapen gets hurt?

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Bigger question is what to do if Novosad changes his mind

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Hit the portal really hard.

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Great plan, but what is the sales pitch ? We have an offense that is run oriented is not exactly what a QB transfer want's to hear. In addition, we have a highly touted high school QB committed but not yet signed doesn't sound too good either. By the way, we just lost a 4 star QB who was tired of pulling splinters out of his back side ?

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They could lean on Grimes work with Zach Wilson and him being a 2nd overall pick in the draft. (Just don't look at his NFL stats)

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If Novosad decommits then Shawn Bell frankly needs to be fired. I'm sure he's an OK coach on the field, but he's certainly not any kind of irreplaceable quarterback guru, and the quarterback situation is just so bleak right now in general. How do we end up with one scholarship quarterback on a team?

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I thought Novosad was supposed to sign on the signing day next week or whenever it is and enroll in January. i doubt with things that planned out at this point he would decommit.

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Anything can happen these day with NIL and transfer portal but Novosad is solid. He took a second/third look already. He is not some kid living in poverty and needs the max NIL money possible. He and his parents are looking at the big picture.