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BEAR 45 said:

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parch said:

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BaylorGuru said:

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Aranda opened the door and guided him out. Then was applauded by Baylor fans for allowing Gerry to transfer.

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Good to see people have no agency or control of their own actions then. Makes it convenient when you're trying to prove a slanted point with a single diseased note.

Our offense produced more points per game, more yards per game (including more passing YPG), more first downs, fewer penalties and almost the same exact number of turnovers per game compared with our offense under Bohanon. Shapen isn't the answer, but Bohanon wouldn't have been with this diminished group of RBs and WRs and a significantly worse defense either. They're both middling QBs on good days. Bohanon is also statistically incapable of making it through a full season, but that's another issue entirely.

At root this is not a Drones issue or a Shapen issue or a Bohanon issue or even an Aranda issue. It's a competition issue. Drones would have every chance to win the job this offseason, and it looks like he's about to pass on it and most likely go somewhere with a QB1 worse than Shapen (and there are a lot of those programs out there).

Unless you have some sort of smoking bullet or evidence that Drones noticeably outplayed Shapen and deserved to be starting to outstrip those of our coaching staff, then please present your evidence and credentials. If that information exists I would honestly love to see it. Otherwise it's just hearsay with an agenda.

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Who has stated that Drones should have started ? He got ZERO playing time except for a few short yardage goal line snaps. We finished 6-6, and there was not a point where he might have provided a spark ? Why would he have any confidence in the "competition" this spring, based on this year. I don;t know if Drones would have made any difference, but if he was considered as our #2 and capable of filling that role, he deserved the chance to show it.

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Keep in mind that had GB not transferred out, the guy you are going to bat for would have been QB3. How far out on that limb do you want to go?

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As far as possible. Everyone knew why Aranda made the call after the spring. He wanted to give Gerry a chance to go somewhere else and start . I think he respected Gerry and realized he had been our starter for most of the season where we not only won a championship, but posted the best record in Baylor's history. Aranda certainly knew he would leave, and so did everyone else, except maybe you. The minute that decision mas made, Drones was #2. I respect Aranda for what he did. It shows great class, but he has a responsibility to the rest of the team to do what is best for the team and that was like going for it on 4th and 30

All this hoopla about GB. Did he really play that well where he went?

blackie said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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parch said:

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BaylorGuru said:

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Aranda opened the door and guided him out. Then was applauded by Baylor fans for allowing Gerry to transfer.

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Good to see people have no agency or control of their own actions then. Makes it convenient when you're trying to prove a slanted point with a single diseased note.

Our offense produced more points per game, more yards per game (including more passing YPG), more first downs, fewer penalties and almost the same exact number of turnovers per game compared with our offense under Bohanon. Shapen isn't the answer, but Bohanon wouldn't have been with this diminished group of RBs and WRs and a significantly worse defense either. They're both middling QBs on good days. Bohanon is also statistically incapable of making it through a full season, but that's another issue entirely.

At root this is not a Drones issue or a Shapen issue or a Bohanon issue or even an Aranda issue. It's a competition issue. Drones would have every chance to win the job this offseason, and it looks like he's about to pass on it and most likely go somewhere with a QB1 worse than Shapen (and there are a lot of those programs out there).

Unless you have some sort of smoking bullet or evidence that Drones noticeably outplayed Shapen and deserved to be starting to outstrip those of our coaching staff, then please present your evidence and credentials. If that information exists I would honestly love to see it. Otherwise it's just hearsay with an agenda.

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Who has stated that Drones should have started ? He got ZERO playing time except for a few short yardage goal line snaps. We finished 6-6, and there was not a point where he might have provided a spark ? Why would he have any confidence in the "competition" this spring, based on this year. I don;t know if Drones would have made any difference, but if he was considered as our #2 and capable of filling that role, he deserved the chance to show it.

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Actually, he got some playing time in the 4th quarter of the WV game. He had a couple of series when Shapen was out. Limited data points, but I recall once where he panicked and just threw the ball up for grabs in the middle of the field resulting in an interception while we were in or close to FG territory. Hard to fault a guy on such limited data, but the coaches saw him for two years in practice.

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So then he, at a minimum, was on par with Shapen…bc that's exactly what Shapen did all year. Threw INTs in pressure situations. Difference is Shapen never progressed throughout the year and Drones didn't get many opportunities to show otherwise.

Does this staff have a program to develops QBs or do they just assume/hope they get better with time and age

74Bear said:

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All this hoopla about GB. Did he really play that well where he went?

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He had a great game against Florida. Some spurts. Got hurt (shut down) by week 5.

Averaged 6.4 per carry.

I think that program you are asking about is Shawn Bell.

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Also, I've certainly been pumping the novosad sunshine because I do think his arm is better than any quarterback Baylor has recruited since Stidham, but I don't see him as an immediate starter. I would be shocked if we don't look for a quarterback in the transfer portal at this point

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That would be great, but again what is your pitch if your target is not in his last year of eligibility ? Come here and compete, with our highest recruit in a long time, to be our starting QB of the future. There is a REASON each of these players is in the portal. They are no longer a stary eyed high school recruit that believes they are the greatest player ever

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Also, I've certainly been pumping the novosad sunshine because I do think his arm is better than any quarterback Baylor has recruited since Stidham, but I don't see him as an immediate starter. I would be shocked if we don't look for a quarterback in the transfer portal at this point

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That would be great, but again what is your pitch if your target is not in his last year of eligibility ? Come here and compete, with our highest recruit in a long time, to be our starting QB of the future. There is a REASON each of these players is in the portal. They are no longer a stary eyed high school recruit that believes they are the greatest player ever

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Not my job to figure out the pitch. Bell/Aranda/whoever our big-time recruiter is needs to get out there and earn their paycheck. Not trying to be pithy, but that's the honest truth. Most quarterbacks have a basic sense of pride and believe in their ability to be the guy. If it's an NIL issue, I understand, because we can't compete with the 6/7 figure deals, but we can at least find an athlete and tell him that he's going to get his shot

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Does this staff have a program to develops QBs or do they just assume/hope they get better with time and age

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There are videos on YouTube of shapen working with a professional quarterback coach. Some guys just don't take to coaching. It's not a stubbornness thing, it's just bad habits that have been ingrained. You can get away with crappy technique at the college level if you're extremely talented, but Shapen doesn't have that kind of arm

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BaylorGuru said:

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Aranda opened the door and guided him out. Then was applauded by Baylor fans for allowing Gerry to transfer.

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Good to see people have no agency or control of their own actions then. Makes it convenient when you're trying to prove a slanted point with a single diseased note.

Our offense produced more points per game, more yards per game (including more passing YPG), more first downs, fewer penalties and almost the same exact number of turnovers per game compared with our offense under Bohanon. Shapen isn't the answer, but Bohanon wouldn't have been with this diminished group of RBs and WRs and a significantly worse defense either. They're both middling QBs on good days. Bohanon is also statistically incapable of making it through a full season, but that's another issue entirely.

At root this is not a Drones issue or a Shapen issue or a Bohanon issue or even an Aranda issue. It's a competition issue. Drones would have every chance to win the job this offseason, and it looks like he's about to pass on it and most likely go somewhere with a QB1 worse than Shapen (and there are a lot of those programs out there).

Unless you have some sort of smoking bullet or evidence that Drones noticeably outplayed Shapen and deserved to be starting to outstrip those of our coaching staff, then please present your evidence and credentials. If that information exists I would honestly love to see it. Otherwise it's just hearsay with an agenda.

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Agree with all this, except Shapen might be the answer. He's a sophomore, one-year starter. He can improve and the players around him can improve too. Most of the valid criticism of Shapen this season has been his decision making. That is the one aspect of his game that he has the most control over.

Drones could be the answer, but his apparent decision not to compete for the job in the spring likely means we'll never know.

Gerry Bohanon without Abram Smith, Trestan Ebner, Tyquan Thornton, and others was not going to be the answer.

The Hound said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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Also, I've certainly been pumping the novosad sunshine because I do think his arm is better than any quarterback Baylor has recruited since Stidham, but I don't see him as an immediate starter. I would be shocked if we don't look for a quarterback in the transfer portal at this point

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That would be great, but again what is your pitch if your target is not in his last year of eligibility ? Come here and compete, with our highest recruit in a long time, to be our starting QB of the future. There is a REASON each of these players is in the portal. They are no longer a stary eyed high school recruit that believes they are the greatest player ever

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Not my job to figure out the pitch. Bell/Aranda/whoever our big-time recruiter is needs to get out there and earn their paycheck. Not trying to be pithy, but that's the honest truth. Most quarterbacks have a basic sense of pride and believe in their ability to be the guy. If it's an NIL issue, I understand, because we can't compete with the 6/7 figure deals, but we can at least find an athlete and tell him that he's going to get his shot

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Asking about your sales pitch was a rhetorical question, not intended to seek your pitch, but what would be the coaches pitch. Like I said, if the target is a one and done it may fly, but if you seek a player with years of eligibility remaining, tough sell with Novosad in the wings. Hope he is all that is being hyped, but there is always the issue of injuries at any time. Players in the portal have already been in a college program and they are better equipped to see where they fit in than some HS recruit.

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Exactly correct on "Baylor Guru". Not a Baylor fan and I wish people would not respond to his/her posts. Just trying to get reaction and start something.

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Yep....I've got no problem with rival fans coming to our board....just don't be a d!ck about it.

74Bear said:

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All this hoopla about GB. Did he really play that well where he went?

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He had no talent around him at USF. That's why their coach got fired.

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parch said:

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Aranda opened the door and guided him out. Then was applauded by Baylor fans for allowing Gerry to transfer.

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Good to see people have no agency or control of their own actions then. Makes it convenient when you're trying to prove a slanted point with a single diseased note.

Our offense produced more points per game, more yards per game (including more passing YPG), more first downs, fewer penalties and almost the same exact number of turnovers per game compared with our offense under Bohanon. Shapen isn't the answer, but Bohanon wouldn't have been with this diminished group of RBs and WRs and a significantly worse defense either. They're both middling QBs on good days. Bohanon is also statistically incapable of making it through a full season, but that's another issue entirely.

At root this is not a Drones issue or a Shapen issue or a Bohanon issue or even an Aranda issue. It's a competition issue. Drones would have every chance to win the job this offseason, and it looks like he's about to pass on it and most likely go somewhere with a QB1 worse than Shapen (and there are a lot of those programs out there).

Unless you have some sort of smoking bullet or evidence that Drones noticeably outplayed Shapen and deserved to be starting to outstrip those of our coaching staff, then please present your evidence and credentials. If that information exists I would honestly love to see it. Otherwise it's just hearsay with an agenda.

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Agree with all this, except Shapen might be the answer. He's a sophomore, one-year starter. He can improve and the players around him can improve too. Most of the valid criticism of Shapen this season has been his decision making. That is the one aspect of his game that he has the most control over.

Drones could be the answer, but his apparent decision not to compete for the job in the spring likely means we'll never know.

Gerry Bohanon without Abram Smith, Trestan Ebner, Tyquan Thornton, and others was not going to be the answer.

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A running QB in a run based offense wasn't the answer? Seems our RB room by committee wasn't too bad this season and would have been enhanced with GB playing QB.

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All this hoopla about GB. Did he really play that well where he went?

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He had no talent around him at USF. That's why their coach got fired.

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If GB was half as good as everyone on this board keeps pretending he was, he would have had much better offers than USF.

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All this hoopla about GB. Did he really play that well where he went?

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He had no talent around him at USF. That's why their coach got fired.

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If GB was half as good as everyone on this board keeps pretending he was, he would have had much better offers than USF.

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He was going to Oklahoma untill Lebby brought his former QB at UCF in.

The problem with the QB position is that everyone (coaches, players, fans) have been engrained with the rock solid belief that some type of alternation of QBs is strictly verboten. Football is the only major sport, and possibly all team sports that I can think of right now where there is a position that is put on that pedestal. Grant alternated QBs very successfully with Carlson and Muecke. But I can't think of any others, Baylor or not.

Now, that has seemingly worked fine for years, at all levels, although there might be some true alternating at the high school ranks in some places. Now, the last decade or so, or possibly longer, the "wildcat" came into being, but that was more for run plays than having a real question as to whether the one receiving the snap was going to run or pass. And I understand the arguments about the perceived needing the same QB because of cadence, transfer of the ball, and differences in how two QBs might throw the ball. But are the others on the field really incapable of working with two?

But now, the transfer portal, exacerbated by NIL money that has become more pay to play.....or really pay to recruit, is introducing massive problems for teams at the QB position. For good QBs, or at least ones that think they are good QBs, outside of a possible redshirt season, they don't want to sit. A team obviously must have more than one viable QB because of injury dangers. But if you adhere to no alternating of QBs in some manner, how do you ever keep a QB2 or heaven forbid a QB3 happy enough to stick around and wait their turn.......and then risk that someone else will be brought in from the portal to take the place they have been waiting for for years. And if the one taken from the portal is not good enough to take that place, why would they transfer in to sit on the bench. Fair or not, lack of the portal kept players on teams longer and in many cases kept the player from making a transfer mistake that might result in them never being a QB1 at a decent program because they wouldn't wait long enough.

It seems the portal is putting real stress on the model for only one QB1 per season as long as no injury occurs. Will coaches look to try to keep two QBs "happy" or stick to the same old, same old? I suspect the latter, but the real risk takers might look to the former. But whatever, the portal on team stability and team depth seems to be hitting the QB position far more than any other position on the field.

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The problem with the QB position is that everyone (coaches, players, fans) have been engrained with the rock solid belief that some type of alternation of QBs is strictly verboten. Football is the only major sport, and possibly all team sports that I can think of right now where there is a position that is put on that pedestal. Grant alternated QBs very successfully with Carlson and Muecke. But I can't think of any others, Baylor or not.

Now, that has seemingly worked fine for years, at all levels, although there might be some true alternating at the high school ranks in some places. Now, the last decade or so, or possibly longer, the "wildcat" came into being, but that was more for run plays than having a real question as to whether the one receiving the snap was going to run or pass. And I understand the arguments about the perceived needing the same QB because of cadence, transfer of the ball, and differences in how two QBs might throw the ball. But are the others on the field really incapable of working with two?

But now, the transfer portal, exacerbated by NIL money that has become more pay to play.....or really pay to recruit, is introducing massive problems for teams at the QB position. For good QBs, or at least ones that think they are good QBs, outside of a possible redshirt season, they don't want to sit. A team obviously must have more than one viable QB because of injury dangers. But if you adhere to no alternating of QBs in some manner, how do you ever keep a QB2 or heaven forbid a QB3 happy enough to stick around and wait their turn.......and then risk that someone else will be brought in from the portal to take the place they have been waiting for for years. And if the one taken from the portal is not good enough to take that place, why would they transfer in to sit on the bench. Fair or not, lack of the portal kept players on teams longer and in many cases kept the player from making a transfer mistake that might result in them never being a QB1 at a decent program because they wouldn't wait long enough.

It seems the portal is putting real stress on the model for only one QB1 per season as long as no injury occurs. Will coaches look to try to keep two QBs "happy" or stick to the same old, same old? I suspect the latter, but the real risk takers might look to the former. But whatever, the portal on team stability and team depth seems to be hitting the QB position far more than any other position on the field.

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They had it right in the first place. Only a grad was able to transfer and play immediately. Others had to sit a year and wait. Go back to that model and a lot of this goes away.

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Novosad he should be game 1 starter if he is healthy and our line can protect him a little.

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His bio list him at 6-3" and 185 lbs.
I would think he is going to need to bulk up quite a bit.
Shapen playing at 200 lbs gets bounced like a pinball.


Sorry to see Drones go. I thought his arm strength, mobility and knowledge of the offense should have warranted him some more playing time. Even if it was some wildcat plays.

I'm just hoping Grimes and Aranda aren't playing #12 as the best card for next year.

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Shapen will hit the portal too if Novosad beats him out next spring. I don't really know how you can keep a decent backup QB these days

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I mentioned that there was a rumor going around that Drones was pissed and had told Aranda that he was going to transfer, and of course I got pooh-poohed.

Looking forward to seeing Shapen run full speed backwards while throwing off his back foot in the guaranteed to lose um uh I mean Guaranteed Rate Bowl

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Man, you must really be "dialed in" to the locker room! How else would anyone know that the 2nd string quarterback was upset about not getting playing time and considering leaving for an opportunity to play somewhere else? Breaking news insider info there…please keep us all updated!

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The Hound said:

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I mentioned that there was a rumor going around that Drones was pissed and had told Aranda that he was going to transfer, and of course I got pooh-poohed.

Looking forward to seeing Shapen run full speed backwards while throwing off his back foot in the guaranteed to lose um uh I mean Guaranteed Rate Bowl

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Man, you must really be "dialed in" to the locker room! How else would anyone know that the 2nd string quarterback was upset about not getting playing time and considering leaving for an opportunity to play somewhere else? Breaking news insider info there…please keep us all updated!

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You get what you pay for. Pay me $13 a month and I'll disclose my source. Don't cheap out on me. Colt already reached out to me to write an article in the off-season about how we are a lock for the playoffs. I plan to read some of the articles from this last off-season as inspiration, but it's going to be worth the $13 a month

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SIC EM 94 said:

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The Hound said:

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I mentioned that there was a rumor going around that Drones was pissed and had told Aranda that he was going to transfer, and of course I got pooh-poohed.

Looking forward to seeing Shapen run full speed backwards while throwing off his back foot in the guaranteed to lose um uh I mean Guaranteed Rate Bowl

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Man, you must really be "dialed in" to the locker room! How else would anyone know that the 2nd string quarterback was upset about not getting playing time and considering leaving for an opportunity to play somewhere else? Breaking news insider info there…please keep us all updated!

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You get what you pay for. Pay me $13 a month and I'll disclose my source. Don't cheap out on me. Colt already reached out to me to write an article in the off-season about how we are a lock for the playoffs. I plan to read some of the articles from this last off-season as inspiration, but it's going to be worth the $13 a month

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Sign me up…what a deal!

Wish he would have stayed to compete for job in spring. Blake played last few games last year, won MVP in Sugar Bowl, etc. Everyone was very excited about him and this year was disappointment. Would we really know that much about Kyrone if he played a game or 2 this year? He may be great long term but can't determine that with one or 2 games.

I do wish Kyrone would compete for job but maybe Novasad coming caused him to go ahead and transfer.

Drones may stay he says so don't forget that. Is this becoming like what some coaches do? Could he be seeking more NIL from here?

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Drones may stay he says so don't forget that. Is this becoming like what some coaches do? Could he be seeking more NIL from here?

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I don't think guys chase money as much as fans think they do. A sizable NIL and bench isn't what players seek.

Guys want to play. Truth? There's no reason he didn't get at least 1 quarter against KSU. I can make an argument that we should have switched QBs for the rest of the season after Shapen lost his confidence.

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Drones may stay he says so don't forget that. Is this becoming like what some coaches do? Could he be seeking more NIL from here?

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I'll bet you leave milk & cookies out for Santa Clause.

I would probably be the type to do that if I thought you were a really cool insider who has personal knowledge of the situation.

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74Bear said:

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All this hoopla about GB. Did he really play that well where he went?

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He had no talent around him at USF. That's why their coach got fired.

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And he was really good in the three games before his injury. He got off to a really bad start, but he was playing well at the end. He almost beat Cincinnati on the road and had Tulane down late in the first half before he went down.

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Aranda completely botched the qb situation. He deserves to be blamed

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Nonsense. I've been as hard on Shapen as anyone and was one of few here who thought the staff made a mistake by selecting him over Gerry, but if Drones was viewed as a long-term solution, he'd have been part of the QB battle in the spring and would have seen more time this season.

Drones leaving was always the most likely outcome. I can't believe anyone would be surprised by this news.

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All will be revealed when they see where he ends up and what happens next

As several have mentioned in this thread…..the portal is gonna make the QB room a game of musical chairs for a lot of teams

Oregon QB Situation:

Nix: Undecided on return (current odds lean no)
Thompson: "visiting" LSU yesterday
Butterfield: portal
Van Dyne: walk on
Sanders: walk on
Moore: unsigned commit, primary reason for choosing UO is now gone, on flip watch, says he's locked in though

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— 🦆 Jacen 🦆 (@jacenmiller) November 30, 2022

I think it is a shame, but like a lot of the others, one cannot blame Drones. To not even get a shot when Shapen was playing as poorly as he played is a slap in the face, not to mention what it says about the coaches' opinion of his abilities,. Who in their right mind would stick around for more of that?

blackie said:

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The problem with the QB position is that everyone (coaches, players, fans) have been engrained with the rock solid belief that some type of alternation of QBs is strictly verboten. Football is the only major sport, and possibly all team sports that I can think of right now where there is a position that is put on that pedestal. Grant alternated QBs very successfully with Carlson and Muecke. But I can't think of any others, Baylor or not.

Now, that has seemingly worked fine for years, at all levels, although there might be some true alternating at the high school ranks in some places. Now, the last decade or so, or possibly longer, the "wildcat" came into being, but that was more for run plays than having a real question as to whether the one receiving the snap was going to run or pass. And I understand the arguments about the perceived needing the same QB because of cadence, transfer of the ball, and differences in how two QBs might throw the ball. But are the others on the field really incapable of working with two?

But now, the transfer portal, exacerbated by NIL money that has become more pay to play.....or really pay to recruit, is introducing massive problems for teams at the QB position. For good QBs, or at least ones that think they are good QBs, outside of a possible redshirt season, they don't want to sit. A team obviously must have more than one viable QB because of injury dangers. But if you adhere to no alternating of QBs in some manner, how do you ever keep a QB2 or heaven forbid a QB3 happy enough to stick around and wait their turn.......and then risk that someone else will be brought in from the portal to take the place they have been waiting for for years. And if the one taken from the portal is not good enough to take that place, why would they transfer in to sit on the bench. Fair or not, lack of the portal kept players on teams longer and in many cases kept the player from making a transfer mistake that might result in them never being a QB1 at a decent program because they wouldn't wait long enough.

It seems the portal is putting real stress on the model for only one QB1 per season as long as no injury occurs. Will coaches look to try to keep two QBs "happy" or stick to the same old, same old? I suspect the latter, but the real risk takers might look to the former. But whatever, the portal on team stability and team depth seems to be hitting the QB position far more than any other position on the field.

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One thing that I find puzzling in these days of the portal is the relatively unchanged number of FBS programs (which I think is about 125) and how QB2s think they are going to somehow transfer their way to the top. Portal or not, there's still about the same number of high school QBs graduating in a given year competing for the same number of slots. It's just easier to shuffle the deck so to speak, but the deck size is unchanged.

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I think it is a shame, but like a lot of the others, one cannot blame Drones. To not even get a shot when Shapen was playing as poorly as he played is a slap in the face, not to mention what it says about the coaches' opinion of his abilities,. Who in their right mind would stick around for more of that?

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I totally agree with this. He should have gotten playing time if only to run some short yardage plays or to keep him from transferring.