Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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SEC apologists will push Alabama. (Who won't with their conference championship)

MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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Logic would say so, but the committee has proven this wrong time and time again.

I think TCU will get in, but I won't be shocked if they don't.
If they do get in they'll probably draw Georgia which is not good for them.

So if Georgia and Michigan lose, who gets in the playoff?

Utah
Clemson
LSU
Kansas State?

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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So if Georgia and Michigan lose, who gets in the playoff?

Utah
Clemson
LSU
Kansas State?

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Is this serious?

Georgia
Michigan
Ohio State
TCU

Order depends on any additional upsets

Actually, it's a legitimate question. Let's say your belief is true.

Now let's say Georgia and Michigan win and are in.

Who, in your mind, should get the final two spots?

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Actually, it's a legitimate question. Let's say your belief is true.

Now let's say Georgia and Michigan win and are in.

Who, in your mind, should get the final two spots?

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See my previous post

coldhardtruth said:

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EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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So if Georgia and Michigan lose, who gets in the playoff?

Utah
Clemson
LSU
Kansas State?

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Is this serious?

Georgia
Michigan
Ohio State
TCU

Order depends on any additional upsets

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It's a serious question because the OP says you shouldn't get in the playoff if you don't win your conference.

Well Obviously if Alabama or a&m were in the big 12, they'd be 13-0.

The committee knows who the better team is.

Tcu lost a home game for the title in a game they yet again we're getting drilled in for most of the game.

I still think they get in. Tcu is still our daddy

If their jerseys were green and gold vs Purple and white you'd be arguing the reverse…..

MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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This is stupid. There shouldn't even be a conference championship game when you play everyone in your conference. TCu deserves to be in the CFP.

This tweet is for the Frog family, Big12, State of Texas and being left out in 2014 “Good luck and Go Frogs”!

— Gary Patterson (@FBCoachP) December 3, 2022

Wacoraisedbear said:

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This tweet is for the Frog family, Big12, State of Texas and being left out in 2014 “Good luck and Go Frogs”!

— Gary Patterson (@FBCoachP) December 3, 2022

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As Gary knows, the team that got left out in 2014 was baylor

I mean who else gets in then? Teams that didn't make their own conference championship?

BellCountyBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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This is stupid. There shouldn't even be a conference championship game when you play everyone in your conference. TCu deserves to be in the CFP.

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This

Golden Helmet said:

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If their jerseys were green and gold vs Purple and white you'd be arguing the reverse…..

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Wrong. Conf Champs only

BellCountyBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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This is stupid. Tcu deserves to be in the CFP.

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Wrong. Can't win the conf so CFP goes out the window. Cry about it or play better and win your conf.

MrGolfguy said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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This is stupid. Tcu deserves to be in the CFP.

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Wrong. Can't win the conf so CFP goes out the window. Cry about it or play better and win your conf.

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Ohio state and bama didnt win either

BylrFan said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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This is stupid. Tcu deserves to be in the CFP.

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Wrong. Can't win the conf so CFP goes out the window. Cry about it or play better and win your conf.

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Ohio state and bama didnt win either

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Toledo?

They already put a scrub team in like Cincinnati last year. Will they deprive the blue bloods and all that money 2 years in a row?

The kamasutra positioning will be interesting now that they gotta squirm

This is why big conferences are worthless from a competitive standpoint. Conferences should be small enough to round robin plus 2-3 non-con games. Win the conference, be in the playoff. Let seeding be the only factor based on polls. If a conference really is a lot better than the rest, their champ will win out.


But real competition isn't what the new realignment is about.

BellCountyBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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This is stupid. There shouldn't even be a conference championship game when you play everyone in your conference. TCu deserves to be in the CFP.

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When you really think about it, it is ridiculous that a team goes 12-0, 9-0 in conference, beating every league member, but has to play a championship game vs an opponent they already beat and has two league loses.

Nailer said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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This is stupid. There shouldn't even be a conference championship game when you play everyone in your conference. TCu deserves to be in the CFP.

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When you really think about it, it is ridiculous that a team goes 12-0, 9-0 in conference, beating every league member, but has to play a championship team vs an opponent they already beat and has two league loses.

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Conversely tcu did get 6 wins over backup QBs so who knows. Does the committee factor that in?

Mitch Blood Green said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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SEC apologists will push Alabama. (Who won't with their conference championship)

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How many times has Alabama or Georgia been in the playoffs without a conference title? Just happened multiple times: every time there was two SEC teams in the playoffs.

That's the rational way to do it. Not inviting teams who have played once before and decided the matter on the field to a whoever wins the second game of a two game series.

The playoff should include Georgia, K-State, the Michigan-Purdue winner, and Utah.

Reverend said:

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I think TCU will get in, but I won't be shocked if they don't.
If they do get in they'll probably draw Georgia which is not good for them.

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Agreed. If they do play Georgia in the semis I hope the Frogs curb stomp the Dawgs.

BellCountyBear said:

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MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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This is stupid. There shouldn't even be a conference championship game when you play everyone in your conference. TCu deserves to be in the CFP.

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TCU failed to take care of business today on the field. The team they lost to should be allowed to play their way in.

MrGolfguy said:

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Should be a CFP rule. Tcu is 12-1 Big12 runner up, therefore they shouldn't make the CFP.

#FACTS

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They have one loss, in overtime, to a top ten team they have already beaten, in the conference championship. Who's got a better record besides Georgia and Michigan? USC was crushed by Utah in the Pac12 championship game by Utah, who already beat them in conference play. Ohio state was crushed by Michigan, at home, and didn't even qualify to play in the Big10 championship game. I'll hang up and listen

EvilTroyAndAbed said:

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Actually, it's a legitimate question. Let's say your belief is true.

Now let's say Georgia and Michigan win and are in.

Who, in your mind, should get the final two spots?

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Definitely TCU. They still would have the best record of all the rest.

The last spot will probably go to OSU and, although I hate to say it, they probably deserve it because they will have the better record. I do not sync any conference is there's two teams in a 14 playoff but if there's no other team with a comparable record then maybe that is an exception. Right now there are only four teams in the country that are either undefeated or have only one loss.

The important thing is that it is determined by what happens on the field not in some committee room.

It all boils down to which is more important: should it be the conference championship winner or should it be the team with the best overall record? The way the playoffs are currently structured, I would think the latter but I see arguments both ways. Very good arguments have been made above.

All this points to the need for an expanded play off with conference champions getting automatic bids.

The real irony is that the primary reason the Big 12 championship game was created in the first place was due to some committee comment in 2014 about a 13th data point back when they were trying to figure out any excuse to exclude TCU and us. There never have been any official selection criterion and there never will be. That gives the committee and any television partners the ability to include who they want.

DanaDane said:

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The real irony is that the primary reason the Big 12 championship game was created in the first place was due to some committee comment in 2014 about a 13th data point back when they were trying to figure out any excuse to exclude TCU and us. There never have been any official selection criterion and there never will be. That gives the committee and any television partners the ability to include who they want.

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I don't get excluding tcu and us. We were the only ones excluded.

Shouldn't of happened. We deserved it. If not us, then TCU. Just made up some bs "criteria" that always changed from week to week. Guaranteed that if had been OU and UT tied with same conference record, 1 of them would have been in the playoffs without a 13th data point.

historian said:

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It all boils down to which is more important: should it be the conference championship winner or should it be the team with the best overall record? The way the playoffs are currently structured, I would think the latter but I see arguments both ways. Very good arguments have been made above.

All this points to the need for an expanded play off with conference champions getting automatic bids.

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In the Big 12s case it should be the regular season winner because we don't have divisions

I'm loving the way this is shaping up because it continues to shine a light on how dumb this system actually is, and has been.

This really wasn't hard to figure out: let the major conferences pick their own rep to the CFP! You can have a CCG, you can do round robin...hell, you can draw straws for all we care. When that's all set, you can have your damned committee to determine at-larges.

Instead, we have this biased debacle.