boognish_bear said:

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The price of success when you are a smaller school in the P5 landscape

#Clemson is set to hire #TCU offensive coordinator Garrett Riley to be its next OC, after firing Brandon Streeter today, sources tell @ClowESPN and me. A deal could be finalized shortly. Riley won the Broyles Award as the nation's top assistant coach this season.

— Adam Rittenberg (@ESPNRittenberg) January 12, 2023

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How bout we give tcu Grimes?

IowaBear said:

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It's funny that you mention the Defense under Briles who was clearly an offensive minded guy. Yet you don't mention the level of suck from this years defense by you guessed it a defensive minded head coach. Offense didn't exactly light the world on fire this year either

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The comment was brought about to remind us that if we had had a lick of defense in those days, we probably would have won at least 1 national championship. All we needed was an average defense and players that wouldn't turn a QB sack on third down into a first and 10 because of taunting or late hit or negate a TD on an interception because of a clip 15 yards behind a play. There was no reason to talk about the defense this year, which I have criticized many times because the comment was about those times, not now.

mtenery14 said:

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oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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Art's offense was fun to watch until you lined up against bigger D-Lines and stronger secondaries. Michigan State comes to mind.

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As I recall, there were at least 5-6 plays that all had to go Michigan State's way for them to win. Highly unlikely for every single one of them to have occurred and they had little or nothing to do with their size of the line or secondary.

whitetrash said:

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mtenery14 said:

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oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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Art's offense was fun to watch until you lined up against bigger D-Lines and stronger secondaries. Michigan State comes to mind.

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Do you mean the Michigan State secondary that still holds the record for most passing yards given up in a bowl game?

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The Michigan State secondary that buckled down, kept us in check, and helped them lead a comeback to beat us.

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DAC said:

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mtenery14 said:

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oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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Art's offense was fun to watch until you lined up against bigger D-Lines and stronger secondaries. Michigan State comes to mind.

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Did u miss the first 3 and a half quarters ?

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What was the final score? I can't remember. That's all that matters. No how many passing yards. Not how many TD's. Not what the score was after 3 quarters. None of that matters. All that matters is the final score. It is very aggyish to talk about scores before the final whistle or meaningless stats.

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Nice rant dumbass, but the point was they could line up and score on strong d lines and secondary

blackie said:

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IowaBear said:

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It's funny that you mention the Defense under Briles who was clearly an offensive minded guy. Yet you don't mention the level of suck from this years defense by you guessed it a defensive minded head coach. Offense didn't exactly light the world on fire this year either

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The comment was brought about to remind us that if we had had a lick of defense in those days, we probably would have won at least 1 national championship. All we needed was an average defense and players that wouldn't turn a QB sack on third down into a first and 10 because of taunting or late hit or negate a TD on an interception because of a clip 15 yards behind a play. There was no reason to talk about the defense this year, which I have criticized many times because the comment was about those times, not now.

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It's really hard to play defense when you're averaging 85+ plays a game and going north of 100+ plays many times. Unless you have Alabama/Georgia level depth, you're not going to play statistically good defense. Aside from getting better athletes and growing our depth, we maxed out our defensive capabilities.

I think we saw this line of thinking trotted out when CAB was supposedly flirting with UT before the Fiesta loss to UCF

Riley had to be speaking and closing the deal with Clemson before the national championship game. Wonder how that distracted him. Only scoring 7 points when TCU averages 40 tells me this might be the case. Can't be distracted when playing an elite team. https://t.co/kdy88C0Gtg

— Terry Beaudine (@TerryBeaudine) January 13, 2023

DAC said:

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contrario said:

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DAC said:

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mtenery14 said:

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oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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Art's offense was fun to watch until you lined up against bigger D-Lines and stronger secondaries. Michigan State comes to mind.

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Did u miss the first 3 and a half quarters ?

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What was the final score? I can't remember. That's all that matters. No how many passing yards. Not how many TD's. Not what the score was after 3 quarters. None of that matters. All that matters is the final score. It is very aggyish to talk about scores before the final whistle or meaningless stats.

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Nice rant dumbass, but the point was they could line up and score on strong d lines and secondary

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nice rant, I would hope any top offense wouldn't go scoreless. But when your entire team is built around scoring in bunches and not worrying about stopping the other team, then it's important to point out that they were held well below their season average in scoring, which is likely why they lost the game. In fact, that Baylor team went 2-2 in games they scored 41 points or less. #Don'tLetFactsGetInTheWay

Too lazy to go back and look, but I remember getting like a billion penalty yards in that Michigan state game which was typical of Briles' teams. The offense was usually good enough to overcome those mental mistakes...usually

mtenery14 said:

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oorahpa said:

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still and always will prefer Art's offense. It was the most fun to watch

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Art's offense was fun to watch until you lined up against bigger D-Lines and stronger secondaries. Michigan State comes to mind.

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Man, I loved Briles until the issues but two things bothered me - 1) he allowed thugery on the field (lack of discipline was evident) and 2) his offense probed impossible for his own defense. His entire strategy had to e to outscore the opponent each week.

Defense on the field too much but it was fun to watch.

If Briles had ever perfected a 2 min, slow down offense as effective as the speed-up offense, you couldn't have beaten his team.

No Quarterback said:

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Too lazy to go back and look, but I remember getting like a billion penalty yards in that Michigan state game which was typical of Briles' teams. The offense was usually good enough to overcome those mental mistakes...usually

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Weird offensive face mask call. TD on an interception negated by a totally unnecessary block in the back way behind the play. Dang.

One missed field goal hit the upright. 43 yard attempt with about a minute blocked. There's the game.

Oh, and Petty set a Cotton Bowl record with over 500 yards passing. Still hurts to recall.

Briles was going to bring Baylor a Natty in 2015 if Russell doesn't get hurt… spout all you want about his poor defenses and a lot of that was then being on the field 40 minutes a game. But he positioned Baylor to be in the playoff discussion yearly. That is until the scandal hit

Over the past 10 seasons, that Dykes has been a HC he has had 5 winning seasons, and 3 of them were with Garret Riley as OC. Garrett Riley was also the OC at SMU when Moredecai was Dyke's QB. Sonny Dykes isn't exactly what Briles was during his career. It is hard to tell how much of Sonny's success over the past 3 seasons are more from Sonny or Riley. That said I do like Sonny's offensive out look more than ours so far.

mtenery14 said:

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It's really hard to play defense when you're averaging 85+ plays a game and going north of 100+ plays many times. Unless you have Alabama/Georgia level depth, you're not going to play statistically good defense. Aside from getting better athletes and growing our depth, we maxed out our defensive capabilities.

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It's hard to play defense when you can't get yourselves off the field. Heaven forbid it being 3rd & long.

Didn't we lead the NCAA in number of penalties just as often as we led the NCAA in offense?

We maxed out our defensive capabilities because we did not give it near the attention it deserved. All of you Madden experts can flog your dolphin over in the corner all day about our offense. We set the D bar low (the Aggie) and we met that goal.

Had we paid as much attention to truly addressing defense we would or could have won at least 1 and maybe 2 National Championships. Of course we had this little discipline problem and there was also a lack of Special Teams attention. We were close. So close.

It's great to see that 2,427 days later you circle-jerkers are still spanking that monkey fast and furious.

There is some Twitter chatter that TCU is in talks with, believe it or not, Kendal Briles. Now THAT would be an interesting hire