muddybrazos said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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There's a HUGE difference(in a lot of ways) between big boy football programs and Baylor!

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Yep, we really failed under pressure when it counted. To think that our own BOR dropped info the WSJ making our school look terrible when they couldve just said nothing. I will never understand why they did what they did.

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So telling what happened is the the problem?

The real problem was what they told, not that they told it.

A historically poor board of regents. I hope they are all gone.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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The fake Briles scandal was fueled by Texas because Briles turned down the Longhorns and was setting up Baylor for a 10-year run of domination. Plus the regressives butthurt about Ken Starr got to get a pound of flesh.

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And in addition to beating UT 4 of the last 6 times he played them (and one of the losses was because we literally had no QB for most of the game), CAB had also beaten OU 3 of the last 5 times we played them (likely would've been 4 of the last 5 if Seth Russell hadn't gone down in '15) with two of them being blowouts. He largely accomplished that with developed players that by and large UT and OU didn't want, but the straw that prolly broke the camel's back was the fact that the was making serious inroads into signing the same 4 and even 5 star types both UT and OU took for granted were out of reach for a competitor like BU. Who knows what his program would've accomplished if it hadn't been needlessly nuked.

Keyser Soze said:

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muddybrazos said:

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BellCountyBear said:

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There's a HUGE difference(in a lot of ways) between big boy football programs and Baylor!

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Yep, we really failed under pressure when it counted. To think that our own BOR dropped info the WSJ making our school look terrible when they couldve just said nothing. I will never understand why they did what they did.

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So telling what happened is the the problem?

The real problem was what they told, not that they told it.

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Do you think UGA , Florida or Tenn or some real football program would actually tell all the horrific details of whatever has happened to their programs to the WSJ? Nope, bc they are schools that realize this is a business and you handle your problems via lawyers and move on. Name me some other schools where the BOR went to the newspapers to destroy the reputation of the school they presided over.

win at all costs.... sell your soul.

no thx.

- kkm

Harrison Bergeron said:

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The fake Briles scandal was fueled by Texas because Briles turned down the Longhorns and was setting up Baylor for a 10-year run of domination. Plus the regressives butthurt about Ken Starr got to get a pound of flesh.

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And, a few days prior, UT had to release its own Sexual Assault survey showing its student body had one of the highest rates of sexual assault and forcible rape in the country.

Wow. After UGA demanded a retraction of recent investigative story about the program's handling of sexual abuse allegations, the AJC has issued corrections and fired the reporter, Alan Judd.https://t.co/eS5a79D0wy

— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) July 19, 2023

I told y'all that the AJC was a piece of junk newspaper that plays fast and loose with the facts.

NEWS: The AJC has issued an official apology to the University of Georgia.

The author of the article in question was fired for violating the organization’s journalistic standards.

More: https://t.co/l6CgFA3YCm pic.twitter.com/n7XJNXKmiX

— On3 (@On3sports) July 19, 2023

boognish_bear said:

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jdrs said:

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When will what's her name show up to UGA?

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Looks like Georgia was part of her tour back in 2017

Thank you @brendatracy24 for your powerful message today. Sexual violence is NEVER okay, and we pledge to #SetTheExpectation. pic.twitter.com/gupXPZQZXh

— Georgia Football (@GeorgiaFootball) April 21, 2017

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They paid her "protection" fee.

They good.

HarryMehre said:

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I told y'all that the AJC was a piece of junk newspaper that plays fast and loose with the facts.

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Unfortunately that describes lots of media sources. We should never forget how many of them, and how often, poured on with our fake football scandal a few years ago. I still have seen no real evidence of most of the accusations they repeated over & over again.

Some schools manage elite head coaches. Some schools are not ready for that.

Some schools win national championships. Some schools drop in relevancy.

Ideally, allegations are taken seriously and investigated.

That said, I am still completely baffled by the morons who decided to throw Baylor's name under the bus during Briles tenure by releasing anything to media outlets other than "We have no comment at this time".

I don't claim to know which moron on the BOR decided to trash our school via multiple media outlets, but that person, if still alive, should be tar and feathered and be made to wear a dunce cap for at least 10 years.

historian said:

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HarryMehre said:

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I told y'all that the AJC was a piece of junk newspaper that plays fast and loose with the facts.

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Unfortunately that describes lots of media sources. We should never forget how many of them, and how often, poured on with our fake football scandal a few years ago. I still have seen no real evidence of most of the accusations they repeated over & over again.

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Not picking on you, but that is not the point of the whole problem.

The problems were that allegations were ignored, minimized, and in some cases deliberately hidden. There is a great deal of evidence of this.

These cases were forwarded to the proper authorities which is the police. This is exactly what should have been done.

No university has the responsibility or authority to investigate crimes. When any institution, including a university, tried to do this they are likely to make a mess of it and completely ignore the rights of the accused resulting in gross injustice. The constitution applies to everyone; due process rights are imperative.

historian said:

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These cases were forwarded to the proper authorities which is the police. This is exactly what should have been done.

No university has the responsibility or authority to investigate crimes. When any institution, including a university, tried to do this they are likely to make a mess of it and completely ignore the rights of the accused resulting in gross injustice. The constitution applies to everyone; due process rights are imperative.

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No

Primarily incorrect because of omission. Many other things, but in this case alleged victims were denied counseling, class changes, academic pause, and many other accommodations available to them because it was not passed on. Police were rarely involved.

Not going on as no one wants to read this and you can find it with a thread search.

Does anyone have a link to this famous WSJ article from years ago? I believe I read it briefly at the time, but wasn't in really in a mood to spend much time with it. I'd like to go back and re-read it today.

It's been a long time, but I recall reading multiple reports that they passed the investigations on to the police, the proper authority for an investigation. The police may have passed on find gif lack of evidence. Also, I think there were some reports that some of the alleged victims had a habit of making false accusations. Again, it was long ago & my memory is somewhat murky but I do remember these specific details. We know they false accusations are sometimes made; we only need to recall the Duke Lacrosse team, the Rolling Stone stories, etc. Shawn Oakman was one of only 3 accused rapists (out of 50+???) that went to trial and he was acquitted. (The other ended up in jail although Sam U's case had convoluted results).

There was a good deal of victim shaming going on. This was the MO and not one isolated event. This is distasteful in the highest order.

The "fake scandal" crowd was not small. Those let go had no problem with letting inaccuracy fester. One of the main reasons of the WSJ article was to let this brewing civil war at Baylor end. There was a great deal of alleged sexual assault within Baylor football, and there was some very legitimate reasons behind the actions taken.

A few months later Baylor filed a reply in a lawsuit brought by fired AAD Shillinglaw. In this reply Baylor laid out a great deal of detail. This ended things except for the conspiracy theorist that just won't die. Now there are a few that double down here. Baylor's reply in a lawsuit is not the least bit official - yet all directly affected parties withdrew at this point never to return.

FYI - The Oakman rape trial occurred after the WSJ article.

Not speaking of Oakman here, but a criminal charge requires "beyond a reasonable doubt". This is - and should be - a very high standard. Baylor, and for that fact all Universities, have a student code of conduct. The standard for that is not the same. It is lower than the criminal.

Not sure where those lines are, but they exist - a person may be short of a criminal conviction, but well above the minimum for code of conduct.

All valid points. It still as a travesty of justice for a university to investigate a crime & then to punish students for violations without honoring their constitutional rights. Thus happened far too many times at schools all over the country over the years. There is no question that Baylor made lots of mistakes & mishandled the situation egregiously. However, none of that was on Art Briles & I still have not seen any evidence that what he did if didn't do merited firing. And he has been exonerated.

All that is water under the bridge and life goes on. Briles's coaching career is over, we are 3 coaches removed & I still want to believe that Aranda can create a winning culture that continues for several years, preferably even after he moves on.

Indeed a travesty. I think Baylor has responded and done as well as could be expected. The further this chapter is in the rear view mirror the better.

If individual students were punished without receiving procedural due process, that's a huge problem.

Agreed

I don't know if that happened at Baylor but there have been far too many instances of it elsewhere.

wongobear said:

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Does anyone have a link to this famous WSJ article from years ago? I believe I read it briefly at the time, but wasn't in really in a mood to spend much time with it. I'd like to go back and re-read it today.

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Don't do it. It only raises questions as to which moron(s) decided to go to the WSJ in the first place.

montypython said:

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wongobear said:

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Does anyone have a link to this famous WSJ article from years ago? I believe I read it briefly at the time, but wasn't in really in a mood to spend much time with it. I'd like to go back and re-read it today.

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Don't do it. It only raises questions as to which moron(s) decided to go to the WSJ in the first place.

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Morons? Cowards? Weasels? People who don't give a **** about fiduciary duty?

Potato, potahto.

Keyser is the only one who believes it was in the best interests of Baylor for its own Regents to throw Baylor football under the bus with the WSj story. Totally unimaginable that any group of Regents would ever do that. The only reason was to get out ahead of the story and establish a scapegoat to protect themselves. They will never be forgiven and Baylor Regents should have a tarnished reputation forever. No amount of spending on facilities can ever cover over their cowardice and ineptitude.

Timbear said:

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Keyser is the only one who believes it was in the best interests of Baylor for its own Regents to throw Baylor football under the bus with the WSj story.

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Everything could have been corrected and dealt with, without blowing up the school's reputation in public.

I know some people on the old BF website disagree with that and those people have always baffled me.