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We've lost 7 of 8 going back to last year.

I'll keep a a list of prospects in case the next season or two go full Steele.

Musts for me: Stand up coaches with prior college HC experience that are proven winners. I have NOT listed in order of preference.
Who would you guys add? I will edit/add guys.

Jamey Chadwell
Liberty, 1st year there but he wins almost everywhere he goes. 3 conference titles in two different conferences since 2015.

Jeff Traylor
UTSA. 2 +10-win seasons and 2 conference titles. 3 seasons as a college HC. 0-3 in bowls.

Tyson Helton
WKU. Adept at the Portal and won 9 games 3 times out of 4 seasons. HC for 5 years at WKU. 3-1 in Bowls.
If he can win the conference we need to make a run at him.

Coaches who look like good prospects but need more time in the minors:

Jon Sumrall
12-2 his first season at Troy and won a Conference championship.
However, just one season under his belt. If he snags another conference title or 2 in the next 1-3 years get this guy an interview.

Kane Wommack
3rd season at S. Alabama. Went from 5-7 to 10-3 from years 1 to 2. If he can get them a conference title he may start showing up on peoples radars.

Matt Entz
Won FCS titles in 2019, 2021 and lost in the title game in 2022.
If he wins another FCS title this year or next and we dump Aranda in 2024, he may be worth a look.

Good coaches but maybe not the right fit for various reasons (age etc.)

Curt Cignetti - James Madison
62. He wins everywhere he goes - D2, FCS and FBS levels. I think he has been back east his entire career.
If he was 52 I would be sunshine pumping his name all over the place.

Fritz:
63. A conference championship winner at every stop he has coached: Central Missouri, Sam Houston State, Georgia Southern, Tulane. Overall record at Tulane is average, but it's Tulane.


Other:
Bo Pelini:
I know he'll never get consideration but I would love to see him get hired for the sole purpose of seeing him scream at people for a few years and the reactions it would cause in Waco.

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I'll take any of these guys tomorrow....welll...not Pelini

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Had to be plugged in in Texas. BU has to recruit Texas to win. Someone not from TX is going to struggle.

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Like how Matt Rhule struggled?

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Very good point. Rhule did a very good job. As time goes on, it is becoming more and more evident that he and Briles did outstanding jobs. When the data changes, you have to recognize it and acnknowledge it.

So, what did he have? My bet is the Pro connection and the Super Bowl win helps with recruiting. He is a bit mercenary for me, but he delivered. You are dead on. I would be ecstatic with a Rhule type after the last 2 years!

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Matt also had Joey. Give him credit for knowing he needed that connection, but not giving kudos to Joey for the recruits from Texas is silly. Rhule's first class proved to have some really good talent, but what about the next two classes ? Then Joey leaves for Tech and look at Arandas recruiting sine then ? Not saying Joey was the guy to be head coach here, but we MUST have talent from Texas and we compete with some really big boys on the block. All who post here are Baylor fans or alumni, and most love our experience at Baylor , but when recruiting kids with NO ties to Baylor, there needs to be a personal connection to convince those kids to come here. If you have never played in front of a crowd of 80,000 or more in a stadium of crazed fans , you cannot really understand what goes through a recruits mind when he walks into that atmosphere. Love our stadium and fans, but walk on Memorial stadium, Kyle Field, LSU stadium as an 18 year old high school player and experience what that is like compared to our house. Without connections ,that is a tall mountain to climb. Like it or not, we must face reality, a successful P5 coach is already being paid the kind of money Baylor can afford to pay. If they are not, they can expect a raise where they are. Any coach that has made it to the level of a head coach at a P5 program is not stupid, not judging their coaching success, but they can see how Baylor handled the Briles situation and realize that could easily have been them. Who wants to walk into that ? Really short list ! We will likely have to go to lower level coaches that have been successful and take a chance they can replicate that success at Baylor. We will also have to realize that if that happens, bigger programs will go after that coach, or like Rhule this Baylor job is only a stepping stone to other things.

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The one thing I will say that Dave misses with Joey leaving, is some type of energy. The team doesn't have it. The coaches don't have it. He brought a fire. We had it in 2021, but Joey was there during camp and early in the season.

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What about Blake Anderson?

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First what does BU want to do? If you go young and from a lower program, there will be a learning curve. Rhule was experienced and did that curve at Temple. I think it has to be someone that can hit the ground running. The next 6 years will be important to be decent. Not the time to grow with new Coach learning P5 game.

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Are you saying blake is young and inexperienced? He has led two programs to 1st place in 2 different conferences.

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I thought I said it depends on what they want to do.

Go young, Go experienced G5 or pony up and Go P5 Coach.

I didn't say anything about him.

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I thought your response might be related to Blake Anderson, because you replied to "What about Blake Anderson". However you mentioned learning curve + Rhule + lower programs so I wasn't really sure what you were positing.

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No big deal, just a generalization. I need to put more time into my responses here.

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Gotcha. Don't be like me and waste a bunch of time on here.

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What about Blake Anderson?

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First what does BU want to do? If you go young and from a lower program, there will be a learning curve. Rhule was experienced and did that curve at Temple. I think it has to be someone that can hit the ground running. The next 6 years will be important to be decent. Not the time to grow with new Coach learning P5 game.

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Are you saying blake is young and inexperienced? He has led two programs to 1st place in 2 different conferences.

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I thought I said it depends on what they want to do.

Go young, Go experienced G5 or pony up and Go P5 Coach.

I didn't say anything about him.

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I thought your response might be related to Blake Anderson, because you replied to "What about Blake Anderson". However you mentioned learning curve + Rhule + lower programs so I wasn't really sure what you were positing.

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No big deal, just a generalization. I need to put more time into my responses here.

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Gotcha. Don't be like me and waste a bunch of time on here.

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I have learned to be very precise or it will be a blood letting... : )

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What about Blake Anderson?

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First what does BU want to do? If you go young and from a lower program, there will be a learning curve. Rhule was experienced and did that curve at Temple. I think it has to be someone that can hit the ground running. The next 6 years will be important to be decent. Not the time to grow with new Coach learning P5 game.

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Are you saying blake is young and inexperienced? He has led two programs to 1st place in 2 different conferences.

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I thought I said it depends on what they want to do.

Go young, Go experienced G5 or pony up and Go P5 Coach.

I didn't say anything about him.

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I thought your response might be related to Blake Anderson, because you replied to "What about Blake Anderson". However you mentioned learning curve + Rhule + lower programs so I wasn't really sure what you were positing.

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No big deal, just a generalization. I need to put more time into my responses here.

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Gotcha. Don't be like me and waste a bunch of time on here.

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I have learned to be very precise or it will be a blood letting... : )

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I saw posters get repeatedly trampled at the old BF website (and went through the wringer a few times myself). It quickly taught me to not take any of it seriously. That and when you meet the keyboard warriors in person - it's like Jekyll and Hyde, they behave quite differently.

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What about Blake Anderson?

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First what does BU want to do? If you go young and from a lower program, there will be a learning curve. Rhule was experienced and did that curve at Temple. I think it has to be someone that can hit the ground running. The next 6 years will be important to be decent. Not the time to grow with new Coach learning P5 game.

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Are you saying blake is young and inexperienced? He has led two programs to 1st place in 2 different conferences.

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I thought I said it depends on what they want to do.

Go young, Go experienced G5 or pony up and Go P5 Coach.

I didn't say anything about him.

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I thought your response might be related to Blake Anderson, because you replied to "What about Blake Anderson". However you mentioned learning curve + Rhule + lower programs so I wasn't really sure what you were positing.

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No big deal, just a generalization. I need to put more time into my responses here.

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Gotcha. Don't be like me and waste a bunch of time on here.

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I have learned to be very precise or it will be a blood letting... : )

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I saw posters get repeatedly trampled at the old BF website (and went through the wringer a few times myself). It quickly taught me to not take any of it seriously. That and when you meet the keyboard warriors in person - it's like Jekyll and Hyde, they behave quite differently.

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Oh I am sure they do act differently. I need to get to a game. I am in Florida and don't get back to Waco enough.

I have noticed that age makes a difference. Those of us over 50ish seem to enjoy discussing and going back and forth. The younger ones get pissed at that. They like throwing shade, but it you hit back you are a dick. To me it seems to be a generational thing. I like hearing the other side or why people think what they do.

Give us Kendal Briles. He will return Baylor back to the promise land and finish what his old man started

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Give us Kendal Briles. He will return Baylor back to the promise land and finish what his old man started

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Nice thought but why would any member of the Briles family want to have ANYTHING to do with Baylor ?

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Give us Kendal Briles. He will return Baylor back to the promise land and finish what his old man started

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Nice thought but why would any member of the Briles family want to have ANYTHING to do with Baylor ?

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If they offered a HC, he would accept in a heartbeat. No one else is offering HC positions...

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Give us Kendal Briles. He will return Baylor back to the promise land and finish what his old man started

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Nice thought but why would any member of the Briles family want to have ANYTHING to do with Baylor ?

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If they offered a HC, he would accept in a heartbeat. No one else is offering HC positions...

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Just what Baylor needs, a coach that no one else is offering and with a vendetta for what Baylor did before. Perfect hire.

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Give us Kendal Briles. He will return Baylor back to the promise land and finish what his old man started

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Nice thought but why would any member of the Briles family want to have ANYTHING to do with Baylor ?

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If they offered a HC, he would accept in a heartbeat. No one else is offering HC positions...

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Just what Baylor needs, a coach that no one else is offering and with a vendetta for what Baylor did before. Perfect hire.

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He would have a Chip to prove the world wrong. Better than content.

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Give us Kendal Briles. He will return Baylor back to the promise land and finish what his old man started

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Bath salts?

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Give us Kendal Briles. He will return Baylor back to the promise land and finish what his old man started

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Nice thought but why would any member of the Briles family want to have ANYTHING to do with Baylor ?

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If they offered a HC, he would accept in a heartbeat. No one else is offering HC positions...

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Just what Baylor needs, a coach that no one else is offering and with a vendetta for what Baylor did before. Perfect hire.

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He would have a Chip to prove the world wrong. Better than content.

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Fun part about speculating on a message board, the BOR would fire everyone from the president to the janitor if Briles was offered anything

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Give us Kendal Briles. He will return Baylor back to the promise land and finish what his old man started

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Nice thought but why would any member of the Briles family want to have ANYTHING to do with Baylor ?

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If they offered a HC, he would accept in a heartbeat. No one else is offering HC positions...

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Just what Baylor needs, a coach that no one else is offering and with a vendetta for what Baylor did before. Perfect hire.

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He would have a Chip to prove the world wrong. Better than content.

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Fun part about speculating on a message board, the BOR would fire everyone from the president to the janitor if Briles was offered anything

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Watching the BOR reaction would be worth it. Think of it as repayment for the last 2 years. Mack should offer on the way out the door.

I still think GJ Kinne would be my pick. Texas ties, uptempo offense, young, dad was Baylor grad and player. Proven head coach at 2 levels. Only downside is it was an Incarnate and Texas state. But you also did see what he did to us this year.

BbB

Why not call urban. No harm in talking

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Why not call urban. No harm in talking

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I can't imagine BU considering any candidate with any hint of scandal in their background....

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What about Blake Anderson?

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Knowing how some of y'all are you would want Blake to be shown the door in 2 seconds. Personally I'm not at all sold that he is the best we can do

Jake Dickert at Washington state would be on my list if I was the AD. He's a defensive guy, but he runs an offense that is upbeat and more commensurate with local talent here in Texas. Washington state has knocked off some much better teams the last couple years and kept things very close with some true powers like Oregon

If we are going to go with the coordinator route, my vote would be for Garrett Riley at Clemson. I am not a fan of his older brother, but both guys have an undeniable talent for recruiting quarterbacks, developing them, and putting up points with them in their system. That's not something we have had in what feels like forever. As for defense, a bend but don't break approach is a more sustainable goal versus running a 1990s offense and hoping you can win games 17-14

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Jake Dickert at Washington state would be on my list if I was the AD.

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You like unproven guys with little HC experience?

He has exactly 1 full season under his belt and wsu finished 7th in that season.

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What about Blake Anderson?

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Knowing how some of y'all are you would want Blake to be shown the door in 2 seconds.

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Why do you think that?

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Jake Dickert at Washington state would be on my list if I was the AD.

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You like unproven guys with little HC experience?

He has exactly 1 full season under his belt and wsu finished 7th in that season.

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I'm literally just spitballing names here. There are a lot of names being thrown out that would be better than Dave, and he would be one of them, that's all I'm saying. I'd honestly be down for every name you listed in your initial post except for Blake Anderson.

David Shaw.

Why his hire would work:
He was a proven winner at Stanford for years.
His integrity is unquestioned.

Why we couldn't hire him / why the hire may not work:
He was making a ton at Stanford. Like, stupid money. Not sure if he'd be willing to come down on that quite a bit
He is a West Coast guy and unless he pulls a Rhule and hires some guys with TX roots, he may struggle to recruit.
-What about his last 2-3 ****ty seasons at Stanford?

I feel his last couple of seasons at Stanford had more to do with the portal and the schools stringent academic requirements than anything else.

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If the Supreme Court actually opened the door for schools to pay players out of revenues. Then what is wrong with doing that?

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I've thought about that too and it seems like the right thing to do for the players.
A revenue share model completely changes everything and likely sends anyone not in the sec or big10 into a subclass of the sport. We could argue there is already a subclass but I think it becomes even more polarized.

I originally typed a bunch of stuff related to revenue sharing but I think I will save it for a different thread.

cignetti is once again off to a fast start this year (5-0). Could be 6-0 after todays game vs georgia southern

if jmu finishes near or a the top of the conference again, I would be surprised if an acc or big 10 team doesn't swoop in and take him.

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Jake Dickert at Washington state would be on my list if I was the AD.

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You like unproven guys with little HC experience?

He has exactly 1 full season under his belt and wsu finished 7th in that season.

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I'm literally just spitballing names here. There are a lot of names being thrown out that would be better than Dave, and he would be one of them, that's all I'm saying. I'd honestly be down for every name you listed in your initial post except for Blake Anderson.

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Got it. Keep throwing them out there. I don't think we have turned every stone yet.

Jamey Chadwell at liberty would be at the top of my list. He's turned every team he's coached into a winner, most recently coastal Carolina, and now has liberty 6-0.

Scary thing is, I'm not sure he would see Baylor as an upgrade over liberty

Nothing against Blake. He went to Baylor I think. Believe he surfaced last coaching search. Never took Arkansas State to double digit wins. Was solid a 7-9 wins a year and when that wasn't good enough for a P5 offer he took over at Utah State. Great first year there. Won the MWC. Followed that up with 6-7 and sits 3-4 in year 3.

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Jamey Chadwell at liberty would be at the top of my list. He's turned every team he's coached into a winner, most recently coastal Carolina, and now has liberty 6-0.

Scary thing is, I'm not sure he would see Baylor as an upgrade over liberty

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I like your pessimism.

You know what is crazy - CUSA paid out about $28.7m total, to it's 14 members in 2020. That's about $2m per school.

Liberty wasn't in CUSA in 2020 and I don't have recent info on CUSA distributions but I just read Chadwell is getting paid $4m per year.

Some of y'all are expecting us to poach some sitting P5 coach. BU is an attractive job but not Southern Cal or Alabama. Who is Oregon winning with? A championship winning defensive coordinator. Kansas State won the Big 12 with an FCS coach.

If we hire coordinator I'd want someone offensive like little Riley as mentioned above by someone.

I can't remember if Sean Lewis is on this list but he's got CU putting up points and did well at Kent St, one of the harder jobs in FBS.

If we depart with Aranda we are hiring a G5 coach or P5 coordinator, except maybe Jake Dickert if he had any interest. Wazzu might have to cut his staff salary if they can't line up a higher payout than MWC.

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Nothing against Blake. He went to Baylor I think. Believe he surfaced last coaching search. Never took Arkansas State to double digit wins. Was solid a 7-9 wins a year and when that wasn't good enough for a P5 offer he took over at Utah State. Great first year there. Won the MWC. Followed that up with 6-7 and sits 3-4 in year 3.

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he looks pretty solid he has a bunch of 8 or +8 win seasons
he's coached 9 full seasons and finished 3rd or better 5 times not third in the division - in the conference overall

his teams schedule at least 1-2 guaranteed losses each year to earn a paycheck they have played alabama twice, georgia, miami, ksu etc i would bet at least 14 of his career losses are for those paycheck games
depending on what seasons those lumps were taken he could be at multiple 10-win seasons

I love Chadwell. Fun dude with a funky modern take on the triple option. Did hear from someone with a little knowledge that he absolutely flubbed his interview with South Carolina. Has never left the Southeast and mostly the state of South Carolina. I'm not opposed to someone with no Texas ties as long as they have a plan.

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Jamey Chadwell at liberty would be at the top of my list. He's turned every team he's coached into a winner, most recently coastal Carolina, and now has liberty 6-0.

Scary thing is, I'm not sure he would see Baylor as an upgrade over liberty

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I like your pessimism.

You know what is crazy - CUSA paid out about $28.7m total, to it's 14 members in 2020. That's about $2m per school.

Liberty wasn't in CUSA in 2020 and I don't have recent info on CUSA distributions but I just read Chadwell is getting paid $4m per year.

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Liberty has big time money. They jumped on the online schooling thing before it was popular ie easy tuition money with zero overhead and near unlimited capacity, so they are raking it in. I believe Baylor has the money to pay a coach better than 4 million a year. It all depends on the apathy level of the big money folks. My thought is, if you are already firing your coach and buying out his contract, you might as well pony up the money to get someone who is a known commodity. There's no way we can't make a coaching hire in the same mold as the guys at Kansas or Kansas State or Sonny Dykes or Mcguire etc.