boykin_spaniel said:

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I love Chadwell. Fun dude with a funky modern take on the triple option. Did hear from someone with a little knowledge that he absolutely flubbed his interview with South Carolina. Has never left the Southeast and mostly the state of South Carolina. I'm not opposed to someone with no Texas ties as long as they have a plan.

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i know very little of the guy i see he is on the first page list

A fellow Tennessean by birth like myself, maybe makes me biased. Has been a head coach at multiple divisions of play mostly in South Carolina (another state I have ties with perhaps growing my bias). All of his stops have mostly been woeful teams lacking funding or history and he's won. Basically runs the triple option out of the shotgun with more passing. He is country and apparently came across as such in his SC interview and not in a way SC liked. He also wanted to take most of his staff from Coastal, which SC really didn't like. Liberty saw the wins and offered him a nice pay raise.

I want someone with charisma and a wide open offensive philosophy. I want someone with strong Texas ties ( like Briles) or someone with enough sense to load his staff with Texas ties (like Rhule). We have to create a strong relationship with Texas high school coaches and be able to recruit in the breadbasket where we live. It's our only way out of this mess.

I don't know who that is but someone is bound to be out there.

boykin_spaniel said:

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Some of y'all are expecting us to poach some sitting P5 coach.

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TBH I haven't seen anyone throw out a name of sitting P5 head coach. If anyone has, they are delusional and perhaps lack understanding of our hiring history.

jikespingleton said:

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If we make a change in 2024 Tom Herman should get a look.

He was 22-4 at UH, 32-18 at UT and 5-0 overall in bowl games.


Right now he is at FAU - a downtrodden program if there is any. Depending on what he can do there, his stock may rise considerably.

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Herman went to Asian massage parlors.

I don't think he'll be a cultural fit.

No Quarterback said:

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Jamey Chadwell at liberty would be at the top of my list. He's turned every team he's coached into a winner, most recently coastal Carolina, and now has liberty 6-0.

Scary thing is, I'm not sure he would see Baylor as an upgrade over liberty

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There could be an issue with Chadwell's candidacy.

Dishonest Abe Lincoln is his AD and Baylor might not look past that. Dishonest Abe's tie to what the BOI's have painted as a dark era might blow his candidacy out of the water.

Stefano DiMera said:

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jikespingleton said:

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If we make a change in 2024 Tom Herman should get a look.

He was 22-4 at UH, 32-18 at UT and 5-0 overall in bowl games.


Right now he is at FAU - a downtrodden program if there is any. Depending on what he can do there, his stock may rise considerably.

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Herman went to Asian massage parlors.

I don't think he'll be a cultural fit.

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me love you long time

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No Quarterback said:

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Jamey Chadwell at liberty would be at the top of my list. He's turned every team he's coached into a winner, most recently coastal Carolina, and now has liberty 6-0.

Scary thing is, I'm not sure he would see Baylor as an upgrade over liberty

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There could be an issue with Chadwell's candidacy.

Dishonest Abe Lincoln is his AD and Baylor might not look past that. Dishonest Abe's tie to what the BOI's have painted as a dark era might blow his candidacy out of the water.

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I don't think it would happen either tbh. Honestly, the most realistic candidate that's been thrown out is Blake Anderson. I think he would check all the boxes that the powers that be are looking for….. not necessarily in terms of his coaching ability, but he comes across as a nice clean cut family man that probably wouldn't leave for a bigger job or create liability for the school

Mack passed on him last time so I don't think he'd circle back unless he's not the one calling the shots come next coaching hire. If Mack makes a move on Aranda he's on the hot seat. Many AD's on the hot seat make reaction hires. Defensive coordinator? I'd guess he'd go offensive G5 head coach.

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montypython said:

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No Quarterback said:

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Jamey Chadwell at liberty would be at the top of my list. He's turned every team he's coached into a winner, most recently coastal Carolina, and now has liberty 6-0.

Scary thing is, I'm not sure he would see Baylor as an upgrade over liberty

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I like your pessimism.

You know what is crazy - CUSA paid out about $28.7m total, to it's 14 members in 2020. That's about $2m per school.

Liberty wasn't in CUSA in 2020 and I don't have recent info on CUSA distributions but I just read Chadwell is getting paid $4m per year.

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Liberty has big time money. They jumped on the online schooling thing before it was popular ie easy tuition money with zero overhead and near unlimited capacity, so they are raking it in.

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After you mentioned their online school, I looked them up. Seems like a big scam and they are using religion as a cover. They are on their 3rd name in 50 years and it comes across like a diploma mill. I would not be surprised if they have been investigated multiple times by the Feds.

Stefano DiMera said:

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jikespingleton said:

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If we make a change in 2024 Tom Herman should get a look.

He was 22-4 at UH, 32-18 at UT and 5-0 overall in bowl games.


Right now he is at FAU - a downtrodden program if there is any. Depending on what he can do there, his stock may rise considerably.

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Herman went to Asian massage parlors.

I don't think he'll be a cultural fit.

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Gotta love those twitter accusations.

Don't forget to mention that the guy who tweeted those accusations was fired by Ohio State for both strangling and cheating on his wife.

It pretty much is an unabashed diploma mill. Also, they hire the best people available regardless of political correctness or optics. They are pretty based in that regard

Doesn't mean it wasn't true.

Jose Canseco was a bad guy too and everything he said turned out to be true.

I think you can look at Herman and tell he's a sleezeball.

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Correct! As a season ticket holder, the games have been absolutely embarrassing. We have brought friends to 4 games this season their first Baylor games and it has been utterly humiliating. This is supposed to be entertaining, and as a huge sports fan I realize we won't always win, but I EXPECT competitive and competent play and coaching. The costs to attend are far too high to expect anything less.

Last night would have been our last of the season if we hadn't already invited dear friends to the Houston game can only imagine the complete lackluster crowd at that game. And why would anyone want to watch this sorry excuse for football anyway? I mean, who actually thinks a defensive minded team is entertaining to watch? When they are good, wins are more a relief than enjoyable. When they lose it is boring as heck and you know the game is over once the opponent score 17 points. When offensive minded teams win it is thrilling and exciting. When they lose it is frustrating but hope abounds because you know you can score and you have a chance to come back until the clock runs out.

I won't be renewing our 4 season tickets to see this trash until I see HOPE, which comes from a team who knows their identity, or their goal for an identity.

Basketball season can't get here soon enough.

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When the football talk dries up with your friends, you can always chat about the ugliness of our uniforms.

100%. LSU passed on him for a reason.

After some thought, it's important that any discussions around head coaches omit coaches that either (1) are in the first or second seasons and found success or (2) had success their first/second seasons but had a drop off in their third. The reason for this is the rule that allows new coaches to kick as many players as they want off a team and bring in other players, as that produces rosters in the first/second season that are not representative of what fans/administrators could expect on a go forward basis after those seasons have passed.

The point is to avoid fools gold.

I have no doubt LSU had good reason to pass on Herman. I just refuse to believe it's that they won't hire a "slimeball." Cause like all the blue bloods except possibly ND, they would push their mother into traffic for a NC or 2.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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After some thought, it's important that any discussions around head coaches omit coaches that either (1) are in the first or second seasons and found success or (2) had success their first/second seasons but had a drop off in their third. The reason for this is the rule that allows new coaches to kick as many players as they want off a team and bring in other players, as that produces rosters in the first/second season that are not representative of what fans/administrators could expect on a go forward basis after those seasons have passed.

The point is to avoid fools gold.

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We are in a position of having to take that risk. Other programs are going to find a hiddem gem that way while we wait.

I'd rather be proactive and just fire em if they cant produce.

Tom Herman is a huge NO. He is a scuzzbucket.

Traylor would be my realistic choice, but how about stealing Dino Babers from Syracuse? (Yes I realize this isn't happening, but …) He coached under Briles and likes that style of offense, which is what we need.

JXL said:

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Tom Herman is a huge NO. He is a scuzzbucket.

Traylor would be my realistic choice, but how about stealing Dino Babers from Syracuse? (Yes I realize this isn't happening, but …) He coached under Briles and likes that style of offense, which is what we need.

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Is Dino even worth it? Has he done anything of note at Syracuse? We can argue he's better then Aranda, but can he make it to Arlington?

Married A Horn said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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After some thought, it's important that any discussions around head coaches omit coaches that either (1) are in the first or second seasons and found success or (2) had success their first/second seasons but had a drop off in their third. The reason for this is the rule that allows new coaches to kick as many players as they want off a team and bring in other players, as that produces rosters in the first/second season that are not representative of what fans/administrators could expect on a go forward basis after those seasons have passed.

The point is to avoid fools gold.

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We are in a position of having to take that risk. Other programs are going to find a hiddem gem that way while we wait.

I'd rather be proactive and just fire em if they cant produce.

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I would disagree in the sense that it could set Baylor back further. The program needs a HC that's proven as a HC at a program where he's recruited most of the players and those players are winning games there. Anything short of that is unnecessarily risky. I'm

Aberzombie1892 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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After some thought, it's important that any discussions around head coaches omit coaches that either (1) are in the first or second seasons and found success or (2) had success their first/second seasons but had a drop off in their third. The reason for this is the rule that allows new coaches to kick as many players as they want off a team and bring in other players, as that produces rosters in the first/second season that are not representative of what fans/administrators could expect on a go forward basis after those seasons have passed.

The point is to avoid fools gold.

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We are in a position of having to take that risk. Other programs are going to find a hiddem gem that way while we wait.

I'd rather be proactive and just fire em if they cant produce.

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I would disagree in the sense that it could set Baylor back further. The program needs a HC that's proven as a HC at a program where he's recruited most of the players and those players are winning games there. Anything short of that is unnecessarily risky. I'm

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I agree that would be best. What I'm saying is if we wait there wont be any that fit that mold ever/rarely available.

Great guy too. I am confident that he can get the coaches that he needs to complete his staff.

Didn't he put his name in for the BU job then went out of his way to deny it? That whole kissing the players as they left the locker room for the field always creeped me out. I agree huge huge NO.

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JXL said:

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Tom Herman is a huge NO. He is a scuzzbucket.

Traylor would be my realistic choice, but how about stealing Dino Babers from Syracuse? (Yes I realize this isn't happening, but …) He coached under Briles and likes that style of offense, which is what we need.

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Is Dino even worth it? Has he done anything of note at Syracuse? We can argue he's better then Aranda, but can he make it to Arlington?

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I am a believer in fit. Just because he isn't killing it at limited resource Syracuse doesn't mean he wouldn't win here.

What scares me is that this is what Mack and BOR want. Aranda is good fit and we are getting what the Admin wants. A no-teeth program with a quite thoughtful coach, wins and competing are not important. He fired his mentor who was to passionate and old school. Mack may say he instructed Aranda, but if the conversation ended with Mack saying your good just keep what your doing with the program. We are screwed as fans.

Their AD got odd vibes and didn't pursue further. Alleva usually had a pretty good finger for such things. He voted to fire Les well before he ended up being fired.

That's insane. Obviously he would see baylor as an upgrade

Stefano DiMera said:

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Doesn't mean it wasn't true.

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Everything on the Internet is true.

Chadwell is the guy BU would be crazy to not entertain. The dudes a winner everywhere he goes. And he's innovative offensively.

JXL said:

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how about stealing Dino Babers from Syracuse? (Yes I realize this isn't happening, but …) He coached under Briles and likes that style of offense, which is what we need.

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stealing? i don't even know how he has a job in this day and age

hes likely to get fired this year his overall record at syracuse is poor and his conference record is even worse

just because someone worked with briles for a couple years doesn't mean that they know how to run his offense nor does it mean they are a good hc

I would love to see him get a shot. Only hang up is he told South Carolina in his interview he would bring basically his entire staff over from Coastal. The admin would have to make sure he understood the importance of having a couple Texas folks on staff.

FLBear5630 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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JXL said:

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Tom Herman is a huge NO. He is a scuzzbucket.

Traylor would be my realistic choice, but how about stealing Dino Babers from Syracuse? (Yes I realize this isn't happening, but …) He coached under Briles and likes that style of offense, which is what we need.

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Is Dino even worth it? Has he done anything of note at Syracuse? We can argue he's better then Aranda, but can he make it to Arlington?

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I am a believer in fit. Just because he isn't killing it at limited resource Syracuse doesn't mean he wouldn't win here.

What scares me is that this is what Mack and BOR want. Aranda is good fit and we are getting what the Admin wants. A no-teeth program with a quite thoughtful coach, wins and competing are not important. He fired his mentor who was to passionate and old school. Mack may say he instructed Aranda, but if the conversation ended with Mack saying your good just keep what your doing with the program. We are screwed as fans.

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The Mack stuff seems likely; ignoring this in-flight season, Babers is 36-49 at Syracuse, 2 bowl appearances over 7 seasons with no division/conference titles, and is paid more than $4M. That's not a replacement for Aranda worthy resume, and, even if it was, he's not worth the financial cost.

Sean Lewis was Babers OC when he was winning. I'd prefer giving him a look.

Aberzombie1892 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Aberzombie1892 said:

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JXL said:

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Tom Herman is a huge NO. He is a scuzzbucket.

Traylor would be my realistic choice, but how about stealing Dino Babers from Syracuse? (Yes I realize this isn't happening, but …) He coached under Briles and likes that style of offense, which is what we need.

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Is Dino even worth it? Has he done anything of note at Syracuse? We can argue he's better then Aranda, but can he make it to Arlington?

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I am a believer in fit. Just because he isn't killing it at limited resource Syracuse doesn't mean he wouldn't win here.

What scares me is that this is what Mack and BOR want. Aranda is good fit and we are getting what the Admin wants. A no-teeth program with a quite thoughtful coach, wins and competing are not important. He fired his mentor who was to passionate and old school. Mack may say he instructed Aranda, but if the conversation ended with Mack saying your good just keep what your doing with the program. We are screwed as fans.

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Babers is 36-49 at Syracuse, 2 bowl appearances over 7 seasons with no division/conference titles, and is paid more than $4M. That's not a replacement for Aranda worthy resume

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i agree babers is a no, for me a screaming no

he is 18-42 in conference play