Tim Tebow.

Take a breath and think about it before responding. It could be a match made in heaven.

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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Great call. I posted the same suggestion a couple of weeks ago. He's aggressive, has produced really solid results and can recruit. He'd be a refreshing change as a younger coach.

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The resident Puritans on this board have told us that Kinne is a no-go because of some clandestine personal reason

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Trying to bring in an adjudicated rapist to play quarterback and then lying about it is not "some clandestine personal reason."

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IowaBear said:

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke and mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name and having great seasons Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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IowaBear said:

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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IowaBear said:

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke and mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name and having great seasons Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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The challenge is that it's difficult to gauge how good a HC is unless he's been at a single place for an extended period and won the majority of the time that he was there, as the new rules around transfers allow coaches to show up and win big for 1-3 seasons based on bringing in players that they likely wouldn't be able to bring on an on-going basis. Given the limited tenure of successful coaches in the G5 and lower P5, it would be best to target someone who has been doing very well at the FCS level for an extended period of time since they have that experience and they have won with relatively minimal advantages over other FCS teams. The latter is particularly important for a program like Baylor.

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You don't think we should take someone who has had a mediocre season. Yet you come on here and defend a coach with 3 losing seasons (soon to be 4 in 5) vigorously. Make it make sense

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Who had never been a head coach at any level before we hired him.

First of all Aranda is our HC. A couple of you folks really should realize I did not hire him nor was I consulted. I really don't care how a couple of y'all characterize my saying I hope we do not need to make a change. It is just realism to say I don't know yet how the season will turn out.

That said, since 97 I have thought Baylor needs to hire HCs with experience as HCs. You can look at my posts regarding our coaching changes going back to 98 on Austin 365 ( very early pre BFAns board) . If it is possible to research and you have all the time in the world (as some of you seem to have) please feel free to check out not just this site but archives of Austin 365 and Baylor fans if you want.

I think Traylor's background and track record make him a safe bet, even if UTSA has a down year. They ultimately may or may not - a lot of football left to play.

One thing I'd consider is whether a coach is a fit and can/will stay here if he wins. Not sure we can find that now, but that would at least be somewhere in my thought process. Given Traylor's old stomping grounds, maybe he'd stay here a good long while unless he got an offer from say A&M or Arky.

I still like a couple of those FCS guys quite a bit, including Erntz (the one year he's getting on staff at USC now could be a plus).

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First of all Aranda is our HC. A couple of you folks really should realize I did not hire him nor was I consulted. I really don't care how a couple of y'all characterize my saying I hope we do not need to make a change. It is just realism to say I don't know yet how the season will turn out.

That said, since 97 I have thought Baylor needs to hire HCs with experience as HCs. You can look at my posts regarding our coaching changes going back to 98 on Austin 365 ( very early pre BFAns board) . If it is possible to research and you have all the time in the world (as some of you seem to have) please feel free to check out not just this site but archives of Austin 365 and Baylor fans if you want.

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I would have preferred that Dave Aranda had succeeded as well. He's a good guy who fits Baylor's culture well in a lot of ways. But the facts are the facts.

We've lost 16 of our last 21 games, 12 of our last 14 Big 12 games and haven't beaten a P5 team at home in almost two full years. That's atrocious.

At some point, enough has to be enough. And we're probably nine months past that point.

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First of all Aranda is our HC. A couple of you folks really should realize I did not hire him nor was I consulted. I really don't care how a couple of y'all characterize my saying I hope we do not need to make a change. It is just realism to say I don't know yet how the season will turn out.

That said, since 97 I have thought Baylor needs to hire HCs with experience as HCs. You can look at my posts regarding our coaching changes going back to 98 on Austin 365 ( very early pre BFAns board) . If it is possible to research and you have all the time in the world (as some of you seem to have) please feel free to check out not just this site but archives of Austin 365 and Baylor fans if you want.

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I would have preferred that Dave Aranda had succeeded as well. He's a good guy who fits Baylor's culture well in a lot of ways. But the facts are the facts.

We've lost 16 of our last 21 games, 12 of our last 14 Big 12 games and haven't beaten a P5 team at home in almost two full years. That's atrocious.

At some point, enough has to be enough. And we're probably nine months past that point.

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I also think he would've been a great fit ... if he would have been competent to lead the program.

To me, 3 OCs and functionally 3 DCs in 5 years combined with the continued losing is plenty of evidence that he does not have the people and executive skills to run this thing.

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First of all Aranda is our HC. A couple of you folks really should realize I did not hire him nor was I consulted. I really don't care how a couple of y'all characterize my saying I hope we do not need to make a change. It is just realism to say I don't know yet how the season will turn out.

That said, since 97 I have thought Baylor needs to hire HCs with experience as HCs. You can look at my posts regarding our coaching changes going back to 98 on Austin 365 ( very early pre BFAns board) . If it is possible to research and you have all the time in the world (as some of you seem to have) please feel free to check out not just this site but archives of Austin 365 and Baylor fans if you want.

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I would have preferred that Dave Aranda had succeeded as well. He's a good guy who fits Baylor's culture well in a lot of ways. But the facts are the facts.

We've lost 16 of our last 21 games, 12 of our last 14 Big 12 games and haven't beaten a P5 team at home in almost two full years. That's atrocious.

At some point, enough has to be enough. And we're probably nine months past that point.

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I'm thinking Mack believes Aranda missed out on recruiting/NIL opportunities and that if they just get solid recruits then he can forge a winning program in a couple of years.

But in reality, these players aren't being coached well.

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First of all Aranda is our HC. A couple of you folks really should realize I did not hire him nor was I consulted. I really don't care how a couple of y'all characterize my saying I hope we do not need to make a change. It is just realism to say I don't know yet how the season will turn out.

That said, since 97 I have thought Baylor needs to hire HCs with experience as HCs. You can look at my posts regarding our coaching changes going back to 98 on Austin 365 ( very early pre BFAns board) . If it is possible to research and you have all the time in the world (as some of you seem to have) please feel free to check out not just this site but archives of Austin 365 and Baylor fans if you want.

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I would have preferred that Dave Aranda had succeeded as well. He's a good guy who fits Baylor's culture well in a lot of ways. But the facts are the facts.

We've lost 16 of our last 21 games, 12 of our last 14 Big 12 games and haven't beaten a P5 team at home in almost two full years. That's atrocious.

At some point, enough has to be enough. And we're probably nine months past that point.

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I'm thinking Mack believes Aranda missed out on recruiting/NIL opportunities and that if they just get solid recruits then he can forge a winning program in a couple of years.

But in reality, these players aren't being coached well.

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Exactly. We have a better, more talented team this year and are sitting at 2-3 -- soon to be 2-4 -- because we continue to make the same mistakes and exhibit the same weaknesses game after game, year after year.

We're spending so much time, energy and money trying to eliminate outside variables when there's a clear common denominator in our now consistent and persistent struggles.

It's not everybody and everything else that's the problem. It's Dave.

I wouldnt mind us taking a look at Sam Pittman from Arky. He is probably out of a job this year and his specialty is OL. We could probably keep Spavital and the offense. Traylor would be a first choice, though. Also, the guy at Tulane.

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IowaBear said:

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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It may not be smoke and mirrors, but it's clear that having the same core group + extra years due to COVID helped a lot of teams, including UTSA. That and Traylor no longer has Harris, nor Cephus, nor the 5-6 OL that played 4-5 years for him. His core players were already there and all of those guys are gone now.

UTSA is 2-3 and 0-1 in conference this year. If he is kicking butt in a season or 2, then I think he's a lock for a move up. I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet though.

No more P4 coordinators that have rode the coattails of their head coach doing all the heavy lifting! Hiring D1 head coaches from the state of Texas was the recipe that led Baylor to the best hire in state of Texas college football history. Look no further than the winning recipe of CAB.

BellCountyBear said:

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Tim Tebow.

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Have a feeling he's way too person over player. Next. But his personal life checks all of the boxes for the leadership team.

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Tim Tebow.

Take a breath and think about it before responding. It could be a match made in heaven.

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Didn't realize it was comedy hour

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bear2be2 said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IowaBear said:

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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It may not be smoke and mirrors, but it's clear that having the same core group + extra years due to COVID helped a lot of teams, including UTSA. That and Traylor didn't recruit most of those guys. His core players were already there and just about all of those guys are gone now.

UTSA is 2-3 and 0-1 in conference this year. If he is kicking but in a season or 2, then I think he's a lock for a move up. I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet though.

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He graduated key players off each of those teams and kept it rolling longer than most programs do. And who do you guys think recruited those players to UTSA and developed them?

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IowaBear said:

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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It may not be smoke and mirrors, but it's clear that having the same core group + extra years due to COVID helped a lot of teams, including UTSA. That and Traylor didn't recruit most of those guys. His core players were already there and just about all of those guys are gone now.

UTSA is 2-3 and 0-1 in conference this year. If he is kicking but in a season or 2, then I think he's a lock for a move up. I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet though.

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He graduated key players off each of those teams and kept it rolling longer than most programs do. And who do you guys think recruited those players to UTSA and developed them?

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Traylor's network in Texas HS coaching and in college coaching circles, along with his personality, makes me think he's well suited to attract and manage a staff and a roster. I think he's strong exactly where Aranda is weak.

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IowaBear said:

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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It may not be smoke and mirrors, but it's clear that having the same core group + extra years due to COVID helped a lot of teams, including UTSA. That and Traylor didn't recruit most of those guys. His core players were already there and just about all of those guys are gone now.

UTSA is 2-3 and 0-1 in conference this year. If he is kicking but in a season or 2, then I think he's a lock for a move up. I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet though.

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He graduated key players off each of those teams and kept it rolling longer than most programs do. And who do you guys think recruited those players to UTSA and developed them?

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Traylor's network in Texas HS coaching and in college coaching circles, along with his personality, makes me think he's well suited to attract and manage a staff and a roster. I think he's strong exactly where Aranda is weak.

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Yet as mentioned for some reason SMU, A&M, Tech and UH have all gone a different direction upon vetting. That should at least be a reddish flag.

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BellCountyBear said:

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Tim Tebow.

Take a breath and think about it before responding. It could be a match made in heaven.

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Didn't realize it was comedy hour

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Sometimes things get so dark, you just have to laugh.

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IowaBear said:

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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It may not be smoke and mirrors, but it's clear that having the same core group + extra years due to COVID helped a lot of teams, including UTSA. That and Traylor didn't recruit most of those guys. His core players were already there and just about all of those guys are gone now.

UTSA is 2-3 and 0-1 in conference this year. If he is kicking but in a season or 2, then I think he's a lock for a move up. I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet though.

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He graduated key players off each of those teams and kept it rolling longer than most programs do. And who do you guys think recruited those players to UTSA and developed them?

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His key players were their from the time he started, until last year. Sure he had to replace dudes each year, like everyone, but his core +10 dudes were there...for years and he built off those guys. Just like most programs strive to do. I'm not singling out Traylor for having super seniors, far from it.

This is his first season without 7 year veteran QB Harris. UTSA looks like ass so far this year.
I'm thinking 2 more years to see how he does with his guys before I would green light his hire

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Robert Wilson said:

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morethanhecouldbear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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PartyBear said:

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bear2be2 said:

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IowaBear said:

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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It may not be smoke and mirrors, but it's clear that having the same core group + extra years due to COVID helped a lot of teams, including UTSA. That and Traylor didn't recruit most of those guys. His core players were already there and just about all of those guys are gone now.

UTSA is 2-3 and 0-1 in conference this year. If he is kicking but in a season or 2, then I think he's a lock for a move up. I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet though.

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He graduated key players off each of those teams and kept it rolling longer than most programs do. And who do you guys think recruited those players to UTSA and developed them?

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Traylor's network in Texas HS coaching and in college coaching circles, along with his personality, makes me think he's well suited to attract and manage a staff and a roster. I think he's strong exactly where Aranda is weak.

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Yet as mentioned for some reason SMU, A&M, Tech and UH have all gone a different direction upon vetting. That should at least be a reddish flag.

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It's been reported he turned both Tech and Houston down. He's been well taken care of by UTSA and has never been a job-hopper, even dating back to his high school days. To my knowledge, A&M is the only job he's been up for that went another direction, and they hire from a different talent pool than those other places ... or at least think they do. Traylor wasn't a big enough name for their fans, who later mutinied over Mark Stoops.

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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It may not be smoke and mirrors, but it's clear that having the same core group + extra years due to COVID helped a lot of teams, including UTSA. That and Traylor didn't recruit most of those guys. His core players were already there and just about all of those guys are gone now.

UTSA is 2-3 and 0-1 in conference this year. If he is kicking but in a season or 2, then I think he's a lock for a move up. I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet though.

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He graduated key players off each of those teams and kept it rolling longer than most programs do. And who do you guys think recruited those players to UTSA and developed them?

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His key players were their from the time he started, until last year. Sure he had to replace dudes each year, like everyone, but his core +10 dudes were there...for years.

This is his first year with just his guys and the team looks bad early on.

For that reason I'm thinking another year or two and we'll see how things look.

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No, they weren't. Some of you guys just talk out of your asses.

• Sincere McCormick, a two-time 1,400-yard rusher went pro after the 2021 season.
• Zakhari Franklin, a two-time 1,000-yard receiver at UTSA, transferred out after the 2022 season.

Those are two massive losses. And UTSA kept rolling straight through them.

Frank Harris and Joshua Cephus both graduated after last year, but they've been losing key parts of their offense every year for the last three.

After losing all those guys, they were always due a rebuilding year. But they've lost and replaced key players before in Traylor's tenure.

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke and mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name and having great seasons Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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The challenge is that it's difficult to gauge how good a HC is unless he's been at a single place for an extended period and won the majority of the time that he was there,

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Yeah it's a high bar. Perhaps Traylor has surpassed that bar. This is his 5th or 6th season, so maybe we have enough of a sample size.

I'd still like to see how this year goes - it's his first without his 7 year veteran QB and the large covid group that left last year.

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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It may not be smoke and mirrors, but it's clear that having the same core group + extra years due to COVID helped a lot of teams, including UTSA. That and Traylor didn't recruit most of those guys. His core players were already there and just about all of those guys are gone now.

UTSA is 2-3 and 0-1 in conference this year. If he is kicking but in a season or 2, then I think he's a lock for a move up. I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet though.

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He graduated key players off each of those teams and kept it rolling longer than most programs do. And who do you guys think recruited those players to UTSA and developed them?

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Traylor's network in Texas HS coaching and in college coaching circles, along with his personality, makes me think he's well suited to attract and manage a staff and a roster. I think he's strong exactly where Aranda is weak.

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Yet as mentioned for some reason SMU, A&M, Tech and UH have all gone a different direction upon vetting. That should at least be a reddish flag.

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It's been reported he turned both Tech and Houston down. He's been well taken care of by UTSA and has never been a job-hopper, even dating back to his high school days. To my knowledge, A&M is the only job he's been up for that went another direction, and they hire from a different talent pool than those other places ... or at least think they do. Traylor wasn't a big enough name for their fans, who later mutinied over Mark Stoops.

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Yeah, I read that as "opportunity" rather than necessarily as "warning."

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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It may not be smoke and mirrors, but it's clear that having the same core group + extra years due to COVID helped a lot of teams, including UTSA. That and Traylor didn't recruit most of those guys. His core players were already there and just about all of those guys are gone now.

UTSA is 2-3 and 0-1 in conference this year. If he is kicking but in a season or 2, then I think he's a lock for a move up. I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet though.

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He graduated key players off each of those teams and kept it rolling longer than most programs do. And who do you guys think recruited those players to UTSA and developed them?

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His key players were their from the time he started, until last year. Sure he had to replace dudes each year, like everyone, but his core +10 dudes were there...for years.

This is his first year with just his guys and the team looks bad early on.

For that reason I'm thinking another year or two and we'll see how things look.

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No, they weren't
Frank Harris and Joshua Cephus both graduated after last year, but they've been losing key parts of their offense every year for the last three.

After losing all those guys, they were always due a rebuilding year. But they've lost and replaced key players before in Traylor's tenure.

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Yes, they were.
Harris was the key guy. They had super seniors all over the roster, including OL, DL and Cephus.

I want to see how UTSA does for a full season with Harris gone.

So far Traylor is 3-8 when Harris isn't under center and they lost to Texas St and E. Carolina a combined 79-30

UTSA is struggling to move the ball and it's not a coincidence with Cephus, key OL and Harris not being there anymore.

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke and mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name and having great seasons Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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The challenge is that it's difficult to gauge how good a HC is unless he's been at a single place for an extended period and won the majority of the time that he was there,

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Yeah it's a high bar. Perhaps Traylor has surpassed that bar. This is his 6th season, so maybe we have enough of a sample size.

I'd still like to see how this year goes - it's his first without his 7 year veteran QB and the large covid group that left last year.

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I think he is in year 5 right now.

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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It may not be smoke and mirrors, but it's clear that having the same core group + extra years due to COVID helped a lot of teams, including UTSA. That and Traylor didn't recruit most of those guys. His core players were already there and just about all of those guys are gone now.

UTSA is 2-3 and 0-1 in conference this year. If he is kicking but in a season or 2, then I think he's a lock for a move up. I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet though.

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He graduated key players off each of those teams and kept it rolling longer than most programs do. And who do you guys think recruited those players to UTSA and developed them?

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His key players were their from the time he started, until last year. Sure he had to replace dudes each year, like everyone, but his core +10 dudes were there...for years.

This is his first year with just his guys and the team looks bad early on.

For that reason I'm thinking another year or two and we'll see how things look.

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No, they weren't
Frank Harris and Joshua Cephus both graduated after last year, but they've been losing key parts of their offense every year for the last three.

After losing all those guys, they were always due a rebuilding year. But they've lost and replaced key players before in Traylor's tenure.

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Yes, they were.
Harris was the key guy. They had super seniors all over the roster, including OL, DL and Cephus.

I want to see how UTSA does for a full season with Harris gone.

So far Traylor is 3-8 when Harris isn't under center and they lost to Texas St and E. Carolina a combined 79-30

UTSA is struggling to move the ball and it's not a coincidence with Cephus, key OL and Harris not being there anymore.

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McCormick was an all-American -- the only all-American ever for UTSA.

And Franklin left as the program's all-time leading receiver, before being passed by Cephus (in an extra season) last year.

You're wrong. Just admit it.

Harris was a big loss. And Traylor will have to find or develop a quarterback to get UTSA back where it was. But this season was a long time coming.

Group of 5 programs don't lose the talent they've lost the last three seasons and not feel it. Hell, teams at our level don't either.

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Who Baylor should look at should a change occur in the next 2 years .........

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Two years!!! Oh, please, not that long. How about 2 months?

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Is Traylor coming off a 3-9 season? What about Kinne? What about Sumrall ?

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Exactly. Single rebuilding years aren't a problem. They're a fact of life for any school that doesn't recruit at an elite level.

Aranda's problem is that he's on his third straight rebuilding year and fourth in five seasons.

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As I understand it Traylor has lived off of the same core skill players on offense his entire tenure until this season. It could have been smoke an mirrors perhaps it wasn't. If and it is still early and a big " if" we make a move this year and I hope we don't need to, I do not think we should take someone who has had a bad or even a mediocre season. Additionally something that has always concerned me is that even when he was supposedly a hot name, Tech, SMU, A&M and UH all went a different direction after vetting him.

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You can't smoke and mirrors your way to 32 wins in three seasons at UTSA. That program was nothing before he got there. Any success he's had there is his and his alone.

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It may not be smoke and mirrors, but it's clear that having the same core group + extra years due to COVID helped a lot of teams, including UTSA. That and Traylor didn't recruit most of those guys. His core players were already there and just about all of those guys are gone now.

UTSA is 2-3 and 0-1 in conference this year. If he is kicking but in a season or 2, then I think he's a lock for a move up. I wouldn't pull the trigger on him yet though.

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He graduated key players off each of those teams and kept it rolling longer than most programs do. And who do you guys think recruited those players to UTSA and developed them?

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His key player Harris was there from the time he started, until last year. Sure he had to replace dudes each year, like everyone, but his core +10 dudes were there...for years.

This is his first year with just his guys and the team looks bad early on.

For that reason I'm thinking another year or two and we'll see how things look.

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No, they weren't
Frank Harris and Joshua Cephus both graduated after last year, but they've been losing key parts of their offense every year for the last three.

After losing all those guys, they were always due a rebuilding year. But they've lost and replaced key players before in Traylor's tenure.

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Yes, they were.
Harris was the key guy. They had super seniors all over the roster, including OL, DL and Cephus.

I want to see how UTSA does for a full season with Harris gone.

So far Traylor is 3-8 when Harris isn't under center and they lost to Texas St and E. Carolina a combined 79-30

UTSA is struggling to move the ball and it's not a coincidence with Cephus, key OL and Harris not being there anymore.

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McCormick was an all-American -- the only all-American ever for UTSA.

And Franklin left as the program's all-time leading receiver, before being passed by Cephus (in an extra season) last year.

You're wrong. Just admit it.

Harris was a big loss. And Traylor will have to find or develop a quarterback to get UTSA back where it was. But this season was a long time coming.

Group of 5 programs don't lose the talent they've lost the last three seasons and not feel it. Hell, teams at our level don't either.

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I'll recap my thoughts on UTSA and Traylor. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong in part or in whole.

-Harris, Cephus and other super seniors were a key component of Traylor's sucess.
-Harris and Cephus weren't recruited by Traylor.
-UTSA looks to be struggling now that the covid class has left - just like a lot of teams have struggled after their super seniors leave.
-Having the same QB during his entire coaching career does not tell us much about Traylor's ability to develop a QB
-UTSA hasn't looked good vs the G5 teams its played this year
Traylor is 1-3 in bowls.


I would prefer to wait 1-2 more seasons to see how UTSA does before I would green light hiring Traylor.

**EDIT: I think I see what you are saying, that not all of Traylor's key players were on campus when he got there. I agree with that.

I don't disagree that Traylor has his warts as a candidate, but I don't think he's going to be at UTSA for two more seasons for us to slow-play. I wouldn't say I'm all aboard the traylor train, but I think he's a candidate that should be strongly considered

I could talk myself into most of the candidates that have been listed. The USC linebacker coach is intriguing, but I would want to hear the story of how he went from FCS head coach to USC linebacker coach, other than the fact that USC can probably pay more than what an FCS coach is making. As for Paul Cryst….. I think he was a good coach at one time, but I have a strong gut feeling that he will not work at Baylor.

If they go the FCS route (always risky) Brent Vigen would be one id look at.