Alright, nice to see a few others see Barry Odom as a legitimate candidate.
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NO TOM HERMAN. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.
If we are legitimately considering Tom Herman, there's no reason we couldn't consider any other coach with baggage, because that guy has a lot of it. What about Urban Meyer?
Stefano DiMera said:
Damn .can people stop with the Mack must go? We don't know yet if Aranda is a mistake..but if he is and can't turn this around... doesn't Mack at least get a chance to rectify it?
I'd hate to work under some of you guys.
This is one of the few points on which we agree. My opinion of Rhoades went from garbage to "let's see" when he stood up to the league office when he rightly claimed that Scott Drew's ejection last year was garbage.
I have a "wait and see" attitude with Mack. Of course, my opinion on Rhoades will turn to crap once more if a new hire in football is not made pretty quickly.
Robert Wilson said:
Mullen had to figure out how to win in Starkville. I think he'd do really well here. But I also think he'd be up and out in 3 years or so just like Rhule.
I'd take it. Thats pretty much the best we signed up for when we ran off the guy who would have had statues and nattys at the end of his career.
BUATX2000 said:Robert Wilson said:
Mullen had to figure out how to win in Starkville. I think he'd do really well here. But I also think he'd be up and out in 3 years or so just like Rhule.
I'd take it. Thats pretty much the best we signed up for when we ran off the guy who would have had statues and nattys at the end of his career.
Concur
TeamPlayer said:Check the records? HC experience? Odom did OK at Arkansas - - have the past coaches at Arkansas done better? They've fired countless coaches in a row. It's a hard place to win and the SEC West has been impossible for years. Odom is a high character guy with ties to this part of the country. UNLV hasn't had a coach with a winning record at the school since 1981.PartyBear said:
Do folks even check the records of these folks. Odum is a flash this particular season at UNLV this particular 4 games in. However at the P4 level he was about like we have been over all with Aranda. Herman is 6-11 at FAU. Anthony Lynn is a position coach basically in the NFL. We shouldnt and wouldnt gamble with that type of move again.
Ever since 1997 I have been rather opposed to going with one without HC experience. However the only person without HC experience I might consider and may consider a good hire is current Seahawk OC Ryan Grubb. He may be one of these offensive geniuses we like so much that is out there kind of under the radar. I think the only reason he is not the Bama OC right now is because he stayed behind and thought he might get promoted to HC at UW. He was successful as an OC as well with QBs other than Penix.
Anthony Lynn. Did you even check his record? He's from Texas, has been an NFL head coach, and is currently doing pretty well as OC of the Redskins.
Tom Herman because Mack knows him, he was successful at UH and Texas, and he hadn't been named.
I think you need to understand how this works!
Herman was successful at Texas?
DAC said:TeamPlayer said:Check the records? HC experience? Odom did OK at Arkansas - - have the past coaches at Arkansas done better? They've fired countless coaches in a row. It's a hard place to win and the SEC West has been impossible for years. Odom is a high character guy with ties to this part of the country. UNLV hasn't had a coach with a winning record at the school since 1981.PartyBear said:
Do folks even check the records of these folks. Odum is a flash this particular season at UNLV this particular 4 games in. However at the P4 level he was about like we have been over all with Aranda. Herman is 6-11 at FAU. Anthony Lynn is a position coach basically in the NFL. We shouldnt and wouldnt gamble with that type of move again.
Ever since 1997 I have been rather opposed to going with one without HC experience. However the only person without HC experience I might consider and may consider a good hire is current Seahawk OC Ryan Grubb. He may be one of these offensive geniuses we like so much that is out there kind of under the radar. I think the only reason he is not the Bama OC right now is because he stayed behind and thought he might get promoted to HC at UW. He was successful as an OC as well with QBs other than Penix.
Anthony Lynn. Did you even check his record? He's from Texas, has been an NFL head coach, and is currently doing pretty well as OC of the Redskins.
Tom Herman because Mack knows him, he was successful at UH and Texas, and he hadn't been named.
I think you need to understand how this works!
Herman was successful at Texas?
He characterizes Odum as successful at Mizzou I assume he means?
He had a winning record and Mizzou was coming off of having their program destroyed by BLM so I give him a pass there.PartyBear said:DAC said:TeamPlayer said:Check the records? HC experience? Odom did OK at Arkansas - - have the past coaches at Arkansas done better? They've fired countless coaches in a row. It's a hard place to win and the SEC West has been impossible for years. Odom is a high character guy with ties to this part of the country. UNLV hasn't had a coach with a winning record at the school since 1981.PartyBear said:
Do folks even check the records of these folks. Odum is a flash this particular season at UNLV this particular 4 games in. However at the P4 level he was about like we have been over all with Aranda. Herman is 6-11 at FAU. Anthony Lynn is a position coach basically in the NFL. We shouldnt and wouldnt gamble with that type of move again.
Ever since 1997 I have been rather opposed to going with one without HC experience. However the only person without HC experience I might consider and may consider a good hire is current Seahawk OC Ryan Grubb. He may be one of these offensive geniuses we like so much that is out there kind of under the radar. I think the only reason he is not the Bama OC right now is because he stayed behind and thought he might get promoted to HC at UW. He was successful as an OC as well with QBs other than Penix.
Anthony Lynn. Did you even check his record? He's from Texas, has been an NFL head coach, and is currently doing pretty well as OC of the Redskins.
Tom Herman because Mack knows him, he was successful at UH and Texas, and he hadn't been named.
I think you need to understand how this works!
Herman was successful at Texas?
He characterizes Odum as successful at Mizzou I assume he means?
It is becoming more and more clear that most people here don't know what the hell they are talking about or think spreading disinformation is fun. Odum was 25-25 at the P4 level.
He had a winning record in all but 2016. What else was going on at mizzoo campus during that time that helped pretty much destroy that school? The entire enrollment of the school dropped by 25% bc they had a BLM sit in protest on campus in 2015-16. I'm willng to give the guy a pass. We all know that Pinkel used the cover of health problems to retire and Odom had to step into a no win situation with unprecedented racial tensions going on.PartyBear said:
It is becoming more and more clear that most people here don't know what the hell they are talking about or think spreading disinformation is fun. Odum was 25-25 at the P4 level.
Oh the irony of this post. It's ODOM. Barry Odom shouldn't be real hard to get his name right. Unless… you're the one who has no idea what the hell he's talking about.
IowaBear said:
Oh the irony of this post. It's ODOM. Barry Odom shouldn't be real hard to get his name right. Unless… you're the one who has no idea what the hell he's talking about.
He doesn't. He won't come out and say it, but he loves Dave and ultimately throws shade at any idea that isn't "keep Dave and give him more resources to recapture the 2021 season"
Please no retreads. Fine with hiring a successful G5 guy like Sumrall but Mullen, et al… please no
I'm not sure I would classify Mullen as a stereotypical retread. If he was in his 60s, I might agree, but the dude is 52 and still has a lot of coaching left in him. Mississippi State isn't an easy place to win, and the guy took a bad team and made them decent - and that's really what we need. I want a coach that has proven that he can take an inferior squad and beat a superior opponent - Mullen checks that box. I also didn't think he was bad at Florida.
My main questions for him would be about how he plans to manage the transfer portal and NIL, but that's one of the first questions I would ask any candidate
My main questions for him would be about how he plans to manage the transfer portal and NIL, but that's one of the first questions I would ask any candidate
Daveisabovereproach said:
I'm not sure I would classify Mullen as a stereotypical retread. If he was in his 60s, I might agree, but the dude is 52 and still has a lot of coaching left in him. Mississippi State isn't an easy place to win, and the guy took a bad team and made them decent - and that's really what we need. I want a coach that has proven that he can take an inferior squad and beat a superior opponent - Mullen checks that box. I also didn't think he was bad at Florida.
My main questions for him would be about how he plans to manage the transfer portal and NIL, but that's one of the first questions I would ask any candidate
My wife is a Florida gator, therefore I have watched a lot of Florida football over the last 20 years. Mullen was a shoe throw away from locking up the Florida job for 10 years. He has a great eye for QB talent and runs a fun high octane offense. His biggest weakness was that he didn't like to recruit apparently.
Truth be told UF is a pressure cooker. Nobody can meet the expectations of that fan base.
He would be a great fit at Baylor.
You know the coaching pool is thin when people throw out Odom and Mullen.
Mullen parlayed the Tebow years (he was OC at UF) into the head coaching gig at Miss St.
He finished 33-39 in conference at Miss St, best finish was 2nd in the division, at year 6 and finished 5th 4 times and 4th 4 times - in the division.
Mullen coached 13 years as head coach at two stops with 0 conference titles.
Yes I am ignoring his UF years (except for have zero conference titles) but I won't get into why right now
Mullen parlayed the Tebow years (he was OC at UF) into the head coaching gig at Miss St.
He finished 33-39 in conference at Miss St, best finish was 2nd in the division, at year 6 and finished 5th 4 times and 4th 4 times - in the division.
Mullen coached 13 years as head coach at two stops with 0 conference titles.
Yes I am ignoring his UF years (except for have zero conference titles) but I won't get into why right now
BUATX2000 said:Daveisabovereproach said:
I'm not sure I would classify Mullen as a stereotypical retread. If he was in his 60s, I might agree, but the dude is 52 and still has a lot of coaching left in him. Mississippi State isn't an easy place to win, and the guy took a bad team and made them decent - and that's really what we need. I want a coach that has proven that he can take an inferior squad and beat a superior opponent - Mullen checks that box. I also didn't think he was bad at Florida.
My main questions for him would be about how he plans to manage the transfer portal and NIL, but that's one of the first questions I would ask any candidate
My wife is a Florida gator, therefore I have watched a lot of Florida football over the last 20 years. Mullen was a shoe throw away from locking up the Florida job for 10 years. He has a great eye for QB talent and runs a fun high octane offense. His biggest weakness was that he didn't like to recruit apparently.
Truth be told UF is a pressure cooker. Nobody can meet the expectations of that fan base.
He would be a great fit at Baylor.
Well, if he doesn't like to recruit, I don't want him. Lazy.
That joke was already thrown out thereJack Bauer said:
Nick Saban is available...
Thank for your input Mr. Caps. Why not now not ever?BayouCity said:
NO TOM HERMAN. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.
Nothing you said, but I've seen Internet rumors of him being a creep, but I'm curious if there is actual substance to that.
jikespingleton said:Thank for your input Mr. Caps.BayouCity said:
NO TOM HERMAN. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.
Other than Internet rumors, is there anything of substance that proves Herman is a creep?
Yes. He played favorites to such an extent with his players that he used food to punish those whom he did not like.
According to ESPN's Max Olson, Longhorns head coach Tom Herman has already started sorting his players into various groups: gold, green and crimson. Players labeled 'gold' are on the right track and rewarded with luxurious meals. Those in the crimson don't get quite the same treatment.
It was Bush's baked beans, hots dogs and burnt burgers for the losers over there," senior defensive end Naashon Hughes told Olson. "The winners got steak, shrimp, pasta, cheesecake and a triple chocolate cake."
Herman's been known to have a precise rewards and punishment system throughout his young coaching career. He featured a similar system at Houston: Winners feasted on a buffet of breakfast options, while losers ate burnt biscuits and watered-down eggs.
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/2017/03/08/longhorn-hunger-games-why-is-tom-herman-giving-some-players-steak-and-others-burnt-hot-dogs/
I think Fritz would have chosen Baylor over UH last off-season.
"Smarter than the Average Bear."
JXL said:jikespingleton said:Thank for your input Mr. Caps.BayouCity said:
NO TOM HERMAN. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.
Other than Internet rumors, is there anything of substance that proves Herman is a creep?
Yes. He played favorites to such an extent with his players that he used food to punish those whom he did not like.
According to ESPN's Max Olson, Longhorns head coach Tom Herman has already started sorting his players into various groups: gold, green and crimson. Players labeled 'gold' are on the right track and rewarded with luxurious meals. Those in the crimson don't get quite the same treatment.
It was Bush's baked beans, hots dogs and burnt burgers for the losers over there," senior defensive end Naashon Hughes told Olson. "The winners got steak, shrimp, pasta, cheesecake and a triple chocolate cake."
Herman's been known to have a precise rewards and punishment system throughout his young coaching career. He featured a similar system at Houston: Winners feasted on a buffet of breakfast options, while losers ate burnt biscuits and watered-down eggs.
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/2017/03/08/longhorn-hunger-games-why-is-tom-herman-giving-some-players-steak-and-others-burnt-hot-dogs/
The Kendra Scott <> Tom Herman affair is not a rumor. That's pretty well established fact in Austin. Anyone who has even had a casual ear to the ground with Herman at least suspects what a total creep he is.
His word cloud contains some big font for phrases like:
Cocaine, domestic abuse and infidelity.
I think we can probably do better. On the field and off.
My coworker played for Herman at UH. He treated those guys like trash when the cameras were off.
I know someone that was a media member and covered UH when Herman was there. I can confirm the stuff about him giving players perks like better food based on how they performed in practice, and I can confirm that the players hated him even though he was very good at selling the school as a kind of "Ghetto U" in recruiting and got results at UH. I love it when people ask for "proof" for things where "proof" would be impossible to find except for the confirmation of lots of eyewitnesses which we already have. He is absolutely not going to be able to pass the "red face" liability test by the powers that be here at Baylor. Honestly, the guy is like the edgy version of Aranda: Odd personality and a supposed genius, but there's really no proof of his genius on the football field. He was mediocre at Texas and has been mediocre at Florida Atlantic. All that said, I would probably hire him as an offensive coordinator just like I would hire Dave as an defensive coordinator but wouldn't ever consider him for a head coaching role ever again
YOU'RE WELCOMEjikespingleton said:Thank for your input Mr. Caps.BayouCity said:
NO TOM HERMAN. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.
Other than Internet rumors, is there anything of substance that proves Herman is a creep?
I never called him creepy but since you brought it up… it's hard to quantify creepiness, however, the dude just exudes it.
When he was at UH, he called out the local sports radio market in a press conference for not giving UH enough coverage on the air. So the guys from 610 Sports Radio invited him to call in and discuss the team. He proceeded to scream at them like a petulant child for the entire segment.
Herman had the perfect opportunity to be grateful and spread the word about UH football. Instead he blew it and became the punch line for the rest of his time in Houston.
He is not the right fit at Baylor.
The dude is weird. Like I said my previous post, he is like the PG-13 version of Aranda. don't get me started on him kissing players. Yes, that's a thing with him.
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/college/sooners/2017/10/12/kissing-bandit-why-tom-herman-kisses-each-player-before-a-game/60569049007/
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/college/sooners/2017/10/12/kissing-bandit-why-tom-herman-kisses-each-player-before-a-game/60569049007/
JXL said:jikespingleton said:Thank for your input Mr. Caps. Why not now not ever?BayouCity said:
NO TOM HERMAN. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.
Nothing you said, but I've seen Internet rumors of him being a creep, but I'm curious if there is actual substance to that.
Yes. He played favorites to such an extent with his players that he used food to punish those whom he did not like.
Herman's been known to have a precise rewards and punishment system throughout his young coaching career. He featured a similar system at Houston: Winners feasted on a buffet of breakfast options, while losers ate burnt biscuits and watered-down eggs.
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/2017/03/08/longhorn-hunger-games-why-is-tom-herman-giving-some-players-steak-and-others-burnt-hot-dogs/
Thank you for that!
So he has a potentially odd or poor leadership quality with the reward and punishment system that he employs.
I wonder if he still does that at his current stop. FIU or FAU? Not sure where he is.
BayouCity said:YOU'RE WELCOMEjikespingleton said:Thank for your input Mr. Caps. Why not now not ever?BayouCity said:
NO TOM HERMAN. NOT NOW, NOT EVER.
Nothing you said, but I've seen Internet rumors of him being a creep, but I'm curious if there is actual substance to that.
I never called him creepy but since you brought it up… it's hard to quantify creepiness, however, the dude just exudes it.
When he was at UH, he called out the local sports radio market in a press conference for not giving UH enough coverage on the air. So the guys from 610 Sports Radio invited him to call in and discuss the team. He proceeded to scream at them like a petulant child for the entire segment.
Herman had the perfect opportunity to be grateful and spread the word about UH football. Instead he blew it and became the punch line for the rest of his time in Houston.
He is not the right fit at Baylor.
I now realize how that reads so I'll make the correction. I did not mean that you said he was a creep. I was just moving on to things I read online but didn't make that clear.
Based on what you and another poster (employs an odd reward/punishment system) have said, I can see where the objections to his hire come from.
You guys seriously discussing someone who frequented massage parlors as the next head coach at Baylor?!
Stefano DiMera said:
You guys seriously discussing someone who frequented massage parlors as the next head coach at Baylor?!
Who?
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Daveisabovereproach said:Stefano DiMera said:
You guys seriously discussing someone who frequented massage parlors as the next head coach at Baylor?!
Who?
Herman.
Remember that huge story when he was at Texas when the Ohio St assistant coach who used to go on recruiting trips with him when he was at Ohio St said he cheated on his wife at strip clubs and massage parlors?
Stefano DiMera said:Daveisabovereproach said:Stefano DiMera said:
You guys seriously discussing someone who frequented massage parlors as the next head coach at Baylor?!
Who?
Herman.
Remember that huge story when he was at Texas when the Ohio St assistant coach who used to go on recruiting trips with him when he was at Ohio St said he cheated on his wife at strip clubs and massage parlors?
I hadn't heard the thing about the massage parlors, but it doesn't surprise me. I would be shocked if we considered him. If we consider Herman, there's no reason we can't go after Urban Meyer or somebody else with equal baggage that's a way better coach
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