Colt Barber gives some context as to why Baylor is at a crossroads with its fan bas

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boykin_spaniel
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I'm not a Briles truther. The man had his flaws. He definitely coached or encouraged an edge though. If a personal foul was thrown our dudes were frequently the cause. They played loud music and it wasn't all clean. Trash talk was a thing. They also got hype for trying to win a game of football and it showed. Sideline would mosh and dance.

Dumb penalties are bad but a little jawing and a raucous sideline are not. Baker Mayfield crotch grab? That's bad. Baker Mayfield flag plant in the shoe? I'm all for it.
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PartyBear said:

bear2be2 said:

boykin_spaniel said:

But you can also have some passion. I think many posters are bringing up the fact that some of the old blue hairs don't like celebrating at all in any way shape or form, be it players or fans. Briles' coached an edge that bled off the field but there's plenty of quality humans off the field who play with an edge on it. Hines Ward?
People keep talking about "an edge that bled off the field," when the truth is Briles' Baylor program was undisciplined and largely unaccountable at every level, in every space.

Briles was a great offensive mind, who not only couldn't be bothered to lead a program like a competent administrator, he went to great lengths to avoid having to. His program was a powder keg waiting for a spark.


This last paragraph is just full opinion with accusation. You don't know he couldn't be bothered to lead a program and went to great lengths not to. That is a hell of an accusation. Baylor problems then were administration issues. When a title 9 system is not created all the HC can do is not play people and kick them off the team which he did and advise complainants to call law enforcement. He did not have authority to kick people off campus.
This is the problem with Briles truthers. They act like sexual assault was the only issue in our program and that a lack of functional Title IX department absolves him of all wrongdoing. The reality is our program had a discipline problem, period.

We had Colin Shillinglaw acting like Mike Ehrmantraut to shield our players from the law and school administration, and Briles admitted on the record that he created a system where he was the last to know about discipline problems. That is a lack of leadership, plain and simple. Well-run organizations and competent administrators don't operate that way.

Briles was an offensive savant. Unfortunately, his role as a head coach called for a much broader skill set and far more attention to detail than he was ever willing to pay.
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gobears20 said:



With all due respect to Colt we had our 2021 v OU environment in 2021 was similar to that of 2019. Arguably, the environment in both Texas games was too.
historian
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parch said:

We do not, have never had, and in our lifetimes probably never will have a fan base that packs out a stadium/arena no matter the external circumstances. Most programs honestly don't have that. Doesn't mean things can't be done to improve, but it's just not the reality.

Folks have mentioned it in the past but it's sort of a "what is our identity" question at its base. We're just sort of a nebulous floating program right now you can't really put your finger on, and students/casuals pick up on that when they're deciding how to spend their Saturdays. And our marketing suuuuucks. Always has really, back to when putting GuyMo on a motorcycle on the pregame jumbotron into was the coolest thing we could imagine. The only thing I can even remember us doing that was even moderately cool/successful from a marketing perspective was the RG3 Heisman campaign.

That said, the few times when it is packed and rolling, that stadium kicks ass. Very loud, rowdy environment, hard to play in. It's just not that way nearly often enough.

In the height of the Briles years we had great marketing: great intro video each season (not that people didn't gripe), hype videos every week, exciting game day atmosphere (especially for big games but also for cream puffs), etc. The fans were excited & the games were fun. It helped that we won most games & our offense was the best in the country, often scoring quickly. Our defense was getting better & seemed to be on a very good trajectory.
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It helped that we won most games & our offense was the best in the country, often scoring quickly.
It dd not help, it was the only reason why things were fun. All that other stuff is nothing. Winning is everything, the only thing, that makes the games fun. Losing games is not fun regardless of how cool the intro video is.
Cove Dawg
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bear2be2 said:

boykin_spaniel said:

But you can also have some passion. I think many posters are bringing up the fact that some of the old blue hairs don't like celebrating at all in any way shape or form, be it players or fans. Briles' coached an edge that bled off the field but there's plenty of quality humans off the field who play with an edge on it. Hines Ward?
People keep talking about "an edge that bled off the field," when the truth is Briles' Baylor program was undisciplined and largely unaccountable at every level, in every space.

Briles was a great offensive mind, who not only couldn't be bothered to lead a program like a competent administrator, he went to great lengths to avoid having to. His program was a powder keg waiting for a spark.


Just stop it! We know that you hate Briles and the wins and exciting brand of football that he brought to Waco. As for me, it was the most incredible era of football in my 59 years.
MattyIce
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You know what gets fans really excited….. 11am kickoffs over and over and over
CorsicanaBear
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MattyIce said:

You know what gets fans really excited….. 11am kickoffs over and over and over
If we want the nice windows we have to be relevant. We are not relevant.
bear2be2
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Cove Dawg said:

bear2be2 said:

boykin_spaniel said:

But you can also have some passion. I think many posters are bringing up the fact that some of the old blue hairs don't like celebrating at all in any way shape or form, be it players or fans. Briles' coached an edge that bled off the field but there's plenty of quality humans off the field who play with an edge on it. Hines Ward?
People keep talking about "an edge that bled off the field," when the truth is Briles' Baylor program was undisciplined and largely unaccountable at every level, in every space.

Briles was a great offensive mind, who not only couldn't be bothered to lead a program like a competent administrator, he went to great lengths to avoid having to. His program was a powder keg waiting for a spark.


Just stop it! We know that you hate Briles and the wins and exciting brand of football that he brought to Waco. As for me, it was the most incredible era of football in my 59 years.
I don't hate Briles at all. I wish he could have been trusted to run a program in a professional, disciplined manner. He'd still be at Baylor if he could have.

Unfortunately, he chose to cut corners and take a bunch of unnecessary chances in the name of bull**** "swagger" and "edge."
MattyIce
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Yea, I don't think that's the reason
wongobear
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You guys are onto something in this thread. I mean the first step is to ditch this person over player crap. Convincing kids that we care about them is for kitty kats. Next step is to get some d00ds in here who push around their girlfriends and gang up on drunk members of the volleyball team. After that, all we gotta do is get rid of all those stiffs in the stands who think that stuff is bad. 1-2-3 and we're back on top.
Cove Dawg
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bear2be2 said:

Cove Dawg said:

bear2be2 said:

boykin_spaniel said:

But you can also have some passion. I think many posters are bringing up the fact that some of the old blue hairs don't like celebrating at all in any way shape or form, be it players or fans. Briles' coached an edge that bled off the field but there's plenty of quality humans off the field who play with an edge on it. Hines Ward?
People keep talking about "an edge that bled off the field," when the truth is Briles' Baylor program was undisciplined and largely unaccountable at every level, in every space.

Briles was a great offensive mind, who not only couldn't be bothered to lead a program like a competent administrator, he went to great lengths to avoid having to. His program was a powder keg waiting for a spark.


Just stop it! We know that you hate Briles and the wins and exciting brand of football that he brought to Waco. As for me, it was the most incredible era of football in my 59 years.
I don't hate Briles at all. I wish he could have been trusted to run a program in a professional, disciplined manner. He'd still be at Baylor if he could have.

Unfortunately, he chose to cut corners and take a bunch of unnecessary chances in the name of bull**** "swagger" and "edge."


Do you know what your opinion is worth? No more than mine.
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