Robert Wilson said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Can anyone name things that have improved under Rhodes?

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Under Rhode's there are many more watchdogs out to attack those that don't like how BU has performed. Go to the for pay board and bring this up. See the reaction. Ask at a bar and grill in Waco and see the response if you question Rhodes. Under Rhode's I have found the control of information and the narrative to be much more closely controlled. Just one person's experience, I may be wrong. But even quoting articles from places like SI or ESPN and providing the link will get you lambasted. It was not like that under Teaff.

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I feel certain if you ask at a bar and grill in Waco, Rhoades doesn't have much name recognition and almost everyone will say who? This is true everywhere. I doubt the AD at Texas would be someone folks could identify at a bar and grill in Austin that is not on West Campus. AD's have recognition with the avid college football fans such as who post in these types of websites but not in the general public. The general public is for sure not programmed to defend Rhoades' at all cost.

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Yeah, you bring up Mack Rhoads in George's, 9 out of 10 people say "who?"

But I do agree with the underlying point above. Opinions of Baylor brass/admin are much higher on this board (especially the premium side) than they are in general. Same thing in Briles fiasco - premium board very pro admin, free board more pro Briles, man on the street generally very pro Briles.

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Just one persons experience, call it bad luck of catching someone that knew. I only get to Waco once a year-ish.

What grade would you give Rhodes?

B- Besides Rhule, every hire has not worked out and seen that new coach make the program worse.

He has done a good job with the Big 12….just not BU athletics, game atmosphere, etc.

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What grade would you give Rhodes?"

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"D"

He may be a good administrator, he may identify talent, but something he does is breaking the system. . He had three programs that were B12 Champ or higher level and made them mediocre to bad. Why? Because

To me, it is the sign of a micro-manager, someone more concerned with the "how they do it" then "the results they get" BU will be mediocre or worst under this guy. I can't believe that Drew & CDA forgot how to coach. But coaching under prescriptive requirements could do it. Mulkey knew enough to get out..

C+. That goes for most of the decision makers at the university for the last several years though. I know I am not alone in feeling that he has his eye on a larger university or perhaps a conference commissioner job. I actually think he would be better suited as a conference commissioner. Rhoades is great at administration and holding the fort down, but I don't think he has any clear vision for athletics or branding. I'd give the Matt Rhule hire a B+ and the Aranda hire a C- . I get that there are two sides to the Mulkey saga, but at the end of the day, the replacement coach has been pretty meh. Lastly, Mack has done a good job in the building campaign, but I subtract points for his aversion/indecisiveness in NIL.

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C+. That goes for most of the decision makers at the university for the last several years though. I know I am not alone in feeling that he has his eye on a larger university or perhaps a conference commissioner job. I actually think he would be better suited as a conference commissioner. Rhoades is great at administration and holding the fort down, but I don't think he has any clear vision for athletics or branding. I'd give the Matt Rhule hire a B+ and the Aranda hire a C- . I get that there are two sides to the Mulkey saga, but at the end of the day, the replacement coach has been pretty meh. Lastly, Mack has done a good job in the building campaign, but I subtract points for his aversion/indecisiveness in NIL.

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Building facilities is one thing, but leveraging those facilities for maximum benefit is another. He has them, but doesn't know what to do with them!

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No Quarterback said:

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C+. That goes for most of the decision makers at the university for the last several years though. I know I am not alone in feeling that he has his eye on a larger university or perhaps a conference commissioner job. I actually think he would be better suited as a conference commissioner. Rhoades is great at administration and holding the fort down, but I don't think he has any clear vision for athletics or branding. I'd give the Matt Rhule hire a B+ and the Aranda hire a C- . I get that there are two sides to the Mulkey saga, but at the end of the day, the replacement coach has been pretty meh. Lastly, Mack has done a good job in the building campaign, but I subtract points for his aversion/indecisiveness in NIL.

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Building facilities is one thing, but leveraging those facilities for maximum benefit is another. He has them, but doesn't know what to do with them!

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I'm just not so sure that facilities moves the needle for recruiting like it did 15 years ago. I think the "we have state of the art facilities" sales pitch would work if our program was actually putting dudes into the NFL, but we aren't. I mean, it's really simple. If you surveyed 100 high school athletes and asked them if they would prefer to play in brand new state of the art facilities and get paid $8000/yr, or play in solid but nothing special facilities and get paid $25,000/yr, what would be the response?

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C+. That goes for most of the decision makers at the university for the last several years though. I know I am not alone in feeling that he has his eye on a larger university or perhaps a conference commissioner job. I actually think he would be better suited as a conference commissioner. Rhoades is great at administration and holding the fort down, but I don't think he has any clear vision for athletics or branding. I'd give the Matt Rhule hire a B+ and the Aranda hire a C- . I get that there are two sides to the Mulkey saga, but at the end of the day, the replacement coach has been pretty meh. Lastly, Mack has done a good job in the building campaign, but I subtract points for his aversion/indecisiveness in NIL.

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I think that's pretty fair.

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C+. That goes for most of the decision makers at the university for the last several years though. I know I am not alone in feeling that he has his eye on a larger university or perhaps a conference commissioner job. I actually think he would be better suited as a conference commissioner. Rhoades is great at administration and holding the fort down, but I don't think he has any clear vision for athletics or branding. I'd give the Matt Rhule hire a B+ and the Aranda hire a C- . I get that there are two sides to the Mulkey saga, but at the end of the day, the replacement coach has been pretty meh. Lastly, Mack has done a good job in the building campaign, but I subtract points for his aversion/indecisiveness in NIL.

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Building facilities is one thing, but leveraging those facilities for maximum benefit is another. He has them, but doesn't know what to do with them!

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I'm just not so sure that facilities moves the needle for recruiting like it did 15 years ago. I think the "we have state of the art facilities" sales pitch would work if our program was actually putting dudes into the NFL, but we aren't. I mean, it's really simple. If you surveyed 100 high school athletes and asked them if they would prefer to play in brand new state of the art facilities and get paid $8000/yr, or play in solid but nothing special facilities and get paid $25,000/yr, what would be the response?

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Depends on the environment. It has to be full and full of energy. State of the art is everywhere pretty much. Unless you are Michigan, the golf clap aint gonna cut it.

Dudes here who want Mack fired because they don't like our uniforms need to stick to the fashion blogs. Its embarrassing we have grown men "fans" focusing on this repeatedly.

Our uniforms are fine. Lets drop the Nancy nonsense that has little to do with the crappy performance we are seeing on the field.

Our offense on the other hand has been bad since the day Rhule showed up. We are cutting off our nose to spite our face because we are too proud to admit Briles had the right formula for a school that will never be the top dog in attracting top OL talent on a consistent basis which is what it takes when everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball until you are forced to throw.

If Dave turns out to be a great then he gets an A. If he fails then he gets an F. Football is the only thing that matters.

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Dudes here who want Mack fired because they don't like our uniforms need to stick to the fashion blogs. Its embarrassing we have grown men "fans" focusing on this repeatedly.

Our uniforms are fine. Lets drop the Nancy nonsense that has little to do with the crappy performance we are seeing on the field.

Our offense on the other hand has been bad since the day Rhule showed up. We are cutting off our nose to spite our face because we are too proud to admit Briles had the right formula for a school that will never be the top dog in attracting top OL talent on a consistent basis which is what it takes when everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball until you are forced to throw.

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I agree with your 3rd paragraph but the game day presentation/ experience is also big for the players, recruits and fans. If unis were no big deal most programs and or outfitters in the modern era would not be constantly playing around with them almost year to year and sometimes right in the middle of a season except most blue bloods (but even some blue bloods like ND, Ohio State and OU do as well). It should be noted Aranda has now publicly expressed an opinion on unis. So it is a bigger deal than you seem to think.

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Dudes here who want Mack fired because they don't like our uniforms need to stick to the fashion blogs. Its embarrassing we have grown men "fans" focusing on this repeatedly.

Our uniforms are fine. Lets drop the Nancy nonsense that has little to do with the crappy performance we are seeing on the field.

Our offense on the other hand has been bad since the day Rhule showed up. We are cutting off our nose to spite our face because we are too proud to admit Briles had the right formula for a school that will never be the top dog in attracting top OL talent on a consistent basis which is what it takes when everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball until you are forced to throw.

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That is what players look at......that's why we have former players on Twitter shaking their head.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Can anyone name things that have improved under Rhodes?

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No pencilnecks anymore?

Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Can anyone name things that have improved under Rhodes?

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Under Rhode's there are many more watchdogs out to attack those that don't like how BU has performed. Go to the for pay board and bring this up. See the reaction. Ask at a bar and grill in Waco and see the response if you question Rhodes. Under Rhode's I have found the control of information and the narrative to be much more closely controlled. Just one person's experience, I may be wrong. But even quoting articles from places like SI or ESPN and providing the link will get you lambasted. It was not like that under Teaff.

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I feel certain if you ask at a bar and grill in Waco, Rhoades doesn't have much name recognition and almost everyone will say who? This is true everywhere. I doubt the AD at Texas would be someone folks could identify at a bar and grill in Austin that is not on West Campus. AD's have recognition with the avid college football fans such as who post in these types of websites but not in the general public. The general public is for sure not programmed to defend Rhoades' at all cost.

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man on the street generally very pro Briles.

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This is anecdotal but also generational. Students and alumni under 40 are largely ambivalent at best toward Briles but I would say the vast majority are not pro Briles in any substantive way. This board skews old, which means it's an unbalanced snapshot at best. I'm an under-40 alumni with a relatively large network of alumni peers and hardly know anyone clamoring for Briles' return, ranting and raving against the BOR or vocally standing up to defend his actions, at least in public. We've just moved on.

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If Dave turns out to be a great then he gets an A. If he fails then he gets an F. Football is the only thing that matters.

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So an F it is

JP1037 said:

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Dudes here who want Mack fired because they don't like our uniforms need to stick to the fashion blogs. Its embarrassing we have grown men "fans" focusing on this repeatedly.

Our uniforms are fine. Lets drop the Nancy nonsense that has little to do with the crappy performance we are seeing on the field.

Our offense on the other hand has been bad since the day Rhule showed up. We are cutting off our nose to spite our face because we are too proud to admit Briles had the right formula for a school that will never be the top dog in attracting top OL talent on a consistent basis which is what it takes when everyone in the stadium knows you are going to run the ball until you are forced to throw.

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Wanting Mack fired because of our football uniforms is like wanting Dave fired because of his nice but humdrum personality. Those are perhaps origins/symptoms of the problem, but they are not the problem

parch said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Under Rhode's there are many more watchdogs out to attack those that don't like how BU has performed. Go to the for pay board and bring this up. See the reaction. Ask at a bar and grill in Waco and see the response if you question Rhodes. Under Rhode's I have found the control of information and the narrative to be much more closely controlled. Just one person's experience, I may be wrong. But even quoting articles from places like SI or ESPN and providing the link will get you lambasted. It was not like that under Teaff.

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I feel certain if you ask at a bar and grill in Waco, Rhoades doesn't have much name recognition and almost everyone will say who? This is true everywhere. I doubt the AD at Texas would be someone folks could identify at a bar and grill in Austin that is not on West Campus. AD's have recognition with the avid college football fans such as who post in these types of websites but not in the general public. The general public is for sure not programmed to defend Rhoades' at all cost.

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man on the street generally very pro Briles.

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This is anecdotal but also generational. Students and alumni under 40 are largely ambivalent at best toward Briles but I would say the vast majority are not pro Briles in any substantive way. This board skews old, which means it's an unbalanced snapshot at best. I'm an under-40 alumni with a relatively large network of alumni peers and hardly know anyone clamoring for Briles' return, ranting and raving against the BOR or vocally standing up to defend his actions, at least in public. We've just moved on.

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bc you have not experienced the cellar floor

As one of the more junior posters. Jerseys and the related branding do matter. They generate excitement and engagement from fans and recruits. Winning does the most but if you're playing mediocre ball in what is considered mediocre unis by many. Mix it up. Get the fans and recruits talking. Maybe some new jerseys offer a little energy boost to the players.

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As one of the more junior posters. Jerseys and the related branding do matter. They generate excitement and engagement from fans and recruits. Winning does the most but if you're playing mediocre ball in what is considered mediocre unis by many. Mix it up. Get the fans and recruits talking. Maybe some new jerseys offer a little energy boost to the players.

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Oregon brought on the Jersey thing. I remember my son as a kid collecting them and was not a fan.

All aspects of athletics? When was the last time Aggy won a championship of anything, let alone a male sport? Last time Aggy was even one of the last 4 remaining teams of any playoff?

Men's Basketball vs Gonzaga on 4/5/2021 - Box Score - Baylor University Athletics (baylorbears.com)

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All aspects of athletics? When was the last time Aggy won a championship of anything, let alone a male sport? Last time Aggy was even one of the last 4 remaining teams of any playoff?

Men's Basketball vs Gonzaga on 4/5/2021 - Box Score - Baylor University Athletics (baylorbears.com)

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Hard to compare Baylor, SMU, TCU to the land grant public schools.

parch said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Under Rhode's there are many more watchdogs out to attack those that don't like how BU has performed. Go to the for pay board and bring this up. See the reaction. Ask at a bar and grill in Waco and see the response if you question Rhodes. Under Rhode's I have found the control of information and the narrative to be much more closely controlled. Just one person's experience, I may be wrong. But even quoting articles from places like SI or ESPN and providing the link will get you lambasted. It was not like that under Teaff.

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I feel certain if you ask at a bar and grill in Waco, Rhoades doesn't have much name recognition and almost everyone will say who? This is true everywhere. I doubt the AD at Texas would be someone folks could identify at a bar and grill in Austin that is not on West Campus. AD's have recognition with the avid college football fans such as who post in these types of websites but not in the general public. The general public is for sure not programmed to defend Rhoades' at all cost.

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man on the street generally very pro Briles.

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This is anecdotal but also generational. Students and alumni under 40 are largely ambivalent at best toward Briles but I would say the vast majority are not pro Briles in any substantive way. This board skews old, which means it's an unbalanced snapshot at best. I'm an under-40 alumni with a relatively large network of alumni peers and hardly know anyone clamoring for Briles' return, ranting and raving against the BOR or vocally standing up to defend his actions, at least in public. We've just moved on.

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Sure it's anecdotal. That's all we have or will ever have on this. What I meant by "the man on the street" is not Baylor alums (figured I sufficiently covered them with the premium board vs the free board dichotomy) so much as Central Texas folks who are/were Baylor fans or observers. I didn't say they were "clamoring for Briles' return, ranting and raving against the BOR or vocally standing up to defend his actions." But they tend to say "what on earth was Baylor thinking?" or "how did Baylor screw that up so badly?" and "how on earth did Briles end up catching this much of the blame?" Maybe even just "They're idiots for firing him - they screwed themselves." Now a local UT or Tech fan will just say he's the devil but not exactly know why - something about a whole bunch of rapes.

But as to Baylor alums and anecdotal evidence, I'm just a little over 40, have a large network of family (3 generations) and friends who are Baylor fans, including a good number in their 30s, but also a lot of Waco friends who are/were Baylor fans but not alums. The general reaction I get from people in real life as opposed to a message board is that Baylor handled this horribly, Briles proportionally got way more blame/shame than he should have. A number who care enough to really delve into it would add that he could've been saved instead of being thrown to the lions. I don't personally know anyone clamoring for his return or (still) ranting and raving against the board. Now it's more like, "Man, we sure screwed that up" and "What did he actually do that was so bad as to have merited all this?"

Anyone younger than 30s probably doesn't have a clue or care anyway. Very few would've been invested and paying much attention at that time. If they were polled,

Robert Wilson said:

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parch said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Under Rhode's there are many more watchdogs out to attack those that don't like how BU has performed. Go to the for pay board and bring this up. See the reaction. Ask at a bar and grill in Waco and see the response if you question Rhodes. Under Rhode's I have found the control of information and the narrative to be much more closely controlled. Just one person's experience, I may be wrong. But even quoting articles from places like SI or ESPN and providing the link will get you lambasted. It was not like that under Teaff.

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I feel certain if you ask at a bar and grill in Waco, Rhoades doesn't have much name recognition and almost everyone will say who? This is true everywhere. I doubt the AD at Texas would be someone folks could identify at a bar and grill in Austin that is not on West Campus. AD's have recognition with the avid college football fans such as who post in these types of websites but not in the general public. The general public is for sure not programmed to defend Rhoades' at all cost.

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man on the street generally very pro Briles.

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This is anecdotal but also generational. Students and alumni under 40 are largely ambivalent at best toward Briles but I would say the vast majority are not pro Briles in any substantive way. This board skews old, which means it's an unbalanced snapshot at best. I'm an under-40 alumni with a relatively large network of alumni peers and hardly know anyone clamoring for Briles' return, ranting and raving against the BOR or vocally standing up to defend his actions, at least in public. We've just moved on.

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Sure it's anecdotal. That's all we have or will ever have on this. What I meant by "the man on the street" is not Baylor alums (figured I sufficiently covered them with the premium board vs the free board dichotomy) so much as Central Texas folks who are/were Baylor fans or observers. I didn't say they were "clamoring for Briles' return, ranting and raving against the BOR or vocally standing up to defend his actions." But they tend to say "what on earth was Baylor thinking?" or "how did Baylor screw that up so badly?" and "how on earth did Briles end up catching this much of the blame?" Maybe even just "They're idiots for firing him - they screwed themselves." Now a local UT or Tech fan will just say he's the devil but not exactly know why - something about a whole bunch of rapes.

But as to Baylor alums and anecdotal evidence, I'm just a little over 40, have a large network of family (3 generations) and friends who are Baylor fans, including a good number in their 30s, but also a lot of Waco friends who are/were Baylor fans but not alums. The general reaction I get from people in real life as opposed to a message board is that Baylor handled this horribly, Briles proportionally got way more blame/shame than he should have. A number who care enough to really delve into it would add that he could've been saved instead of being thrown to the lions. I don't personally know anyone clamoring for his return or (still) ranting and raving against the board. Now it's more like, "Man, we sure screwed that up" and "What did he actually do that was so bad as to have merited all this?"

Anyone younger than 30s probably doesn't have a clue or care anyway. Very few would've been invested and paying much attention at that time. If they were polled,

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Sure, I think you get the gamut across the sweep of alumni, but on balance I find it's more or less the older generation that tends to universally absolve Briles of blame and place it 100% at the foot of the university. I think reasonable minds, and certainly the folks I know, are intelligent enough to parcel out blame in both directions, not just one, while generally wanting to move on from it all.

As to this...

"I don't personally know anyone clamoring for his return or (still) ranting and raving against the board."

I don't either, and that's sort of the point. One cursory glance at this board reveals a very vocal minority doing both of those things at the drop of a hat. It simply does not represent the alumni base I know and presents a very skewed demographic as to what certainly the 30/40something crowd tends to think.

I dont think wanting a similar offense to Briles or put another way wanting to ditch the boring conservative un entertaining offense we have been running since 2017 essentially is the same thing as clamoring to rehire Briles.

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All aspects of athletics? When was the last time Aggy won a championship of anything, let alone a male sport? Last time Aggy was even one of the last 4 remaining teams of any playoff?

Men's Basketball vs Gonzaga on 4/5/2021 - Box Score - Baylor University Athletics (baylorbears.com)

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I think the 2019 Women's Swimming & Diving was a&m's last championship. They do claim a championship in football almost every year as well...haha

parch said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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parch said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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PartyBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Can anyone name things that have improved under Rhodes?

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Under Rhode's there are many more watchdogs out to attack those that don't like how BU has performed. Go to the for pay board and bring this up. See the reaction. Ask at a bar and grill in Waco and see the response if you question Rhodes. Under Rhode's I have found the control of information and the narrative to be much more closely controlled. Just one person's experience, I may be wrong. But even quoting articles from places like SI or ESPN and providing the link will get you lambasted. It was not like that under Teaff.

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I feel certain if you ask at a bar and grill in Waco, Rhoades doesn't have much name recognition and almost everyone will say who? This is true everywhere. I doubt the AD at Texas would be someone folks could identify at a bar and grill in Austin that is not on West Campus. AD's have recognition with the avid college football fans such as who post in these types of websites but not in the general public. The general public is for sure not programmed to defend Rhoades' at all cost.

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man on the street generally very pro Briles.

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This is anecdotal but also generational. Students and alumni under 40 are largely ambivalent at best toward Briles but I would say the vast majority are not pro Briles in any substantive way. This board skews old, which means it's an unbalanced snapshot at best. I'm an under-40 alumni with a relatively large network of alumni peers and hardly know anyone clamoring for Briles' return, ranting and raving against the BOR or vocally standing up to defend his actions, at least in public. We've just moved on.

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Sure it's anecdotal. That's all we have or will ever have on this. What I meant by "the man on the street" is not Baylor alums (figured I sufficiently covered them with the premium board vs the free board dichotomy) so much as Central Texas folks who are/were Baylor fans or observers. I didn't say they were "clamoring for Briles' return, ranting and raving against the BOR or vocally standing up to defend his actions." But they tend to say "what on earth was Baylor thinking?" or "how did Baylor screw that up so badly?" and "how on earth did Briles end up catching this much of the blame?" Maybe even just "They're idiots for firing him - they screwed themselves." Now a local UT or Tech fan will just say he's the devil but not exactly know why - something about a whole bunch of rapes.

But as to Baylor alums and anecdotal evidence, I'm just a little over 40, have a large network of family (3 generations) and friends who are Baylor fans, including a good number in their 30s, but also a lot of Waco friends who are/were Baylor fans but not alums. The general reaction I get from people in real life as opposed to a message board is that Baylor handled this horribly, Briles proportionally got way more blame/shame than he should have. A number who care enough to really delve into it would add that he could've been saved instead of being thrown to the lions. I don't personally know anyone clamoring for his return or (still) ranting and raving against the board. Now it's more like, "Man, we sure screwed that up" and "What did he actually do that was so bad as to have merited all this?"

Anyone younger than 30s probably doesn't have a clue or care anyway. Very few would've been invested and paying much attention at that time. If they were polled,

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Sure, I think you get the gamut across the sweep of alumni, but on balance I find it's more or less the older generation that tends to universally absolve Briles of blame and place it 100% at the foot of the university. I think reasonable minds, and certainly the folks I know, are intelligent enough to parcel out blame in both directions, not just one, while generally wanting to move on from it all.

As to this...

"I don't personally know anyone clamoring for his return or (still) ranting and raving against the board."

I don't either, and that's sort of the point. One cursory glance at this board reveals a very vocal minority doing both of those things at the drop of a hat. It simply does not represent the alumni base I know and presents a very skewed demographic as to what certainly the 30/40something crowd tends to think.

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"universally absolve Briles of blame and place it 100% at the foot of the university"

I don't know anyone who does that either. But I do know a whole lot who say "that man got way more blame /punishment than he should've," and/or "boy, we really screwed that up," and/or "if we'd have saved him then our football program would've had a great run..."

I think most everyone agrees Briles was too loose as far as who he brought in and how he managed the program, didn't respond to a number of things the way that he should have. Most of them just also think it wasn't necessary for the wheels to totally come off.

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If Dave turns out to be a great then he gets an A. If he fails then he gets an F. Football is the only thing that matters.

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It seems to be trending in that direction.

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We are lucky to have Rhodes. Baylor has challenges with maintaining winning programs that other schools do not. He handles them well and with class.

I want winning programs as much as anyone, and I get frustrated when we do not have them. But Rhodes is not the problem.

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I know that we're supposed to hate the Toadies from Ft Worth but TCU faces many of the same challenges that we do. Last time I checked TCU played for a National Championship in football, baseball is always nationally ranked and MMB is showing improvement.

Many of us thought it would all fall apart when DelConte packed his bags and moved to Austin yet the froggies just keep on chugging along. Rhoades is definitely doing something wrong.

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Oh no, you dit'unt

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And just a few years back we won the national championship in men's basketball.

Yes, he let Kim get away but I put that on her being too big for her britches.

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He didn't hire Drew, so no credit there.

Plus, Choades let one of the best coaches in the game walk.

That alone deserves termination.

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I was surprised someone was stupid enough to try and credit him with the Drew hire.

Maybe a better question is ... can anyone name things that have improved under Rhodes?

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The gar seem less irritated even with construction of the Tiny Arena and football facilities going on.

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F-

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Can anyone name things that have improved under Rhodes?

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Most importantly, we're in a stable power conference and he had a significant role in that process.

Significant facilities upgrades on his watch.

We aren't (wrongly) labeled as Rape-U every five minutes on ESPN, in part because he hired Matt Rhule who got us out of the ditch and back to NY6 bowl. Rhule is a bit of a combination car salesman/revival preacher who is also quite good at coaching football, and his unapologetic and positive tone was precisely what we needed at the time. When the Panthers paid crazy money for Rhule, a nice chunk of which came to Baylor in the form of a buyout, he hired Dave Aranda. Aranda won both the Big 12 title and the Sugar Bowl in what was arguably Baylor's best football season ever. Aranda is smart, self aware and adaptable. Have a little patience.

Men's basketball is better now than when he arrived, and it was really quite good when he arrived.

I don't really fault him for wishing Kim Mulkey well when she came to him with a larger contract from another school. It's women's basketball. A decent case can be made that Baylor is better off with her replacement.

You lost me at "a decent case can be made for WBB with her replacement" what fantasy are you living in??? 2straight Rd 32 exits while Mulkey won a Natty in yr 2. And will likely win another this year. I like CNC but that comment is head scratching at best

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You lost me at "a decent case can be made for WBB with her replacement" what fantasy are you living in??? 2straight Rd 32 exits while Mulkey won a Natty in yr 2. And will likely win another this year. I like CNC but that comment is head scratching at best

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I said that a case can be made that Baylor is better off with her replacement, not that the women's basketball team wins more. No need to misquote me.