Nah, just made watching BU sports in the fall a misery again.D. C. Bear said:FLBear5630 said:Brother in law??D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
No, never met the man. I just find unsupported claims annoying. Did he steal your girlfriend in high school?
How is Rhoades doing as AD?
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Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
What did Rhoades do specifically to keep the XII together? I recall Baylor reached out to the PAC for membership along with 3 others after the Texas and OU news broke. All 4 were turned down. What did Rhoades do to keep the XII together? Vote with everyone else to add the schools we added? I suspect anyone else in his role would have voted the same way. I'm curious as to what he did that was different from 7 other ADs that stands out.
Rhule didn't stay long enough for anyone to suggest he made a lasting impact. Certainly Rhoades has indicated he knew Rhule wanted to be an NFL coach but made no plans for that eventuality, so the case of Rhule's hiring that is something else that Rhoades fumbled.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Agree. Rhule also unnecessarily tanked year 1, and he had peaked year 3 with a downturn to come. He knew when to go.Oldbear83 said:Rhule didn't stay long enough for anyone to suggest he made a lasting impact. Certainly Rhoades has indicated he knew Rhule wanted to be an NFL coach but made no plans for that eventuality, so the case of Rhule's hiring that is something else that Rhoades fumbled.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
And the idea that Rhoads made a good call on Mulkey just means "we don't care about being good at WBB."
ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
I don't agree. National championships are a good thing.
Oldbear83 said:Rhule didn't stay long enough for anyone to suggest he made a lasting impact. Certainly Rhoades has indicated he knew Rhule wanted to be an NFL coach but made no plans for that eventuality, so the case of Rhule's hiring that is something else that Rhoades fumbled.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
You don't think Rhoades (and every other AD in the country) has plans to replace coaches?
I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
Judging by what we got, I'd say Rhoades either planned poorly or could not persuade the right people to come here.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Rhule didn't stay long enough for anyone to suggest he made a lasting impact. Certainly Rhoades has indicated he knew Rhule wanted to be an NFL coach but made no plans for that eventuality, so the case of Rhule's hiring that is something else that Rhoades fumbled.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
You don't think Rhoades (and every other AD in the country) has plans to replace coaches?
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
Oldbear83 said:Judging by what we got, I'd say Rhoades either planned poorly or could not persuade the right people to come here.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Rhule didn't stay long enough for anyone to suggest he made a lasting impact. Certainly Rhoades has indicated he knew Rhule wanted to be an NFL coach but made no plans for that eventuality, so the case of Rhule's hiring that is something else that Rhoades fumbled.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
You don't think Rhoades (and every other AD in the country) has plans to replace coaches?
And I would say that Aranda has shown great leadership, and so has Rhoades.
It adds none if you aren't playing in Final 4s.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
LSU / Iowa drew 9.9M viewers. The semi-final games were around half that. The quarters around 2.5M. Not to mention the brand coverage you get all over the place during the end of that tourney run.
If you're not in the elite club, it's probably not worth much. Doesn't matter if we go 12-4 in conference or 4-12.
Robert Wilson said:It adds none if you aren't playing in Final 4s.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
LSU / Iowa drew 9.9M viewers. The semi-final games were around half that. The quarters around 2.5M. Not to mention the brand coverage you get all over the place during the end of that tourney run.
If you're not in the elite club, it's probably not worth much. Doesn't matter if we go 12-4 in conference or 4-12.
And precious little if you are in the Final Four.
So how do you value that PR? You must have some good numbers.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:It adds none if you aren't playing in Final 4s.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
LSU / Iowa drew 9.9M viewers. The semi-final games were around half that. The quarters around 2.5M. Not to mention the brand coverage you get all over the place during the end of that tourney run.
If you're not in the elite club, it's probably not worth much. Doesn't matter if we go 12-4 in conference or 4-12.
And precious little if you are in the Final Four.
Silly ol' LSU is paying Mulkey $3.2M/year for 10 years and pays a player over $1M per year through NIL.
Guess we just know a lot more about college athletics than they do. They may be winning the NC now, but we've got them right where we want them.
Robert Wilson said:So how do you value that PR? You must have some good numbers.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:It adds none if you aren't playing in Final 4s.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
LSU / Iowa drew 9.9M viewers. The semi-final games were around half that. The quarters around 2.5M. Not to mention the brand coverage you get all over the place during the end of that tourney run.
If you're not in the elite club, it's probably not worth much. Doesn't matter if we go 12-4 in conference or 4-12.
And precious little if you are in the Final Four.
Silly ol' LSU is paying Mulkey $3.2M/year for 10 years and pays a player over $1M per year through NIL.
Guess we just know a lot more about college athletics than they do. They may be winning the NC now, but we've got them right where we want them.
You value that PR by asking what percentage of your positive PR it represents. In 2005, it was a pretty significant chunk for Baylor since we had so little positive PR. In more recent years, it is significantly less.
They are paying her 3.6 million a year, but 3.2 is close enough.
It seems that Mulkey didn't want to be at Baylor if she wasn't calling the shots and Baylor didn't need her to be calling the shots. It was the right choice for Baylor to let her go. You should let her go, too.
I don't think you're anywhere near close having a real quantitative answer to this. That's fine. Just admit it. I don't have a quantitative answer either. But I think the visibility of having an elite WBB program (not to mention becoming the new version of UConn - dominant in MBB and WBB) is worth a great deal from a branding perspective, and probably easily covers the difference between the cost of the program now and the cost of a program with Mulkey. Because that's the question - the delta. If you're correct about the value of the program with Mulkey, then now it is a pure cost center that should be cut (if we can otherwise meet title ix more cheaply) or just cut to the bone. No point in being pretty good to above average in WBB.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:So how do you value that PR? You must have some good numbers.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:It adds none if you aren't playing in Final 4s.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
LSU / Iowa drew 9.9M viewers. The semi-final games were around half that. The quarters around 2.5M. Not to mention the brand coverage you get all over the place during the end of that tourney run.
If you're not in the elite club, it's probably not worth much. Doesn't matter if we go 12-4 in conference or 4-12.
And precious little if you are in the Final Four.
Silly ol' LSU is paying Mulkey $3.2M/year for 10 years and pays a player over $1M per year through NIL.
Guess we just know a lot more about college athletics than they do. They may be winning the NC now, but we've got them right where we want them.
You value that PR by asking what percentage of your positive PR it represents. In 2005, it was a pretty significant chunk for Baylor since we had so little positive PR. In more recent years, it is significantly less.
They are paying her 3.6 million a year, but 3.2 is close enough.
It seems that Mulkey didn't want to be at Baylor if she wasn't calling the shots and Baylor didn't need her to be calling the shots. It was the right choice for Baylor to let her go. You should let her go, too.
Robert Wilson said:I don't think you're anywhere near close having a real quantitative answer to this. That's fine. Just admit it. I don't have a quantitative answer either. But I think the visibility of having an elite WBB program (not to mention becoming the new version of UConn - dominant in MBB and WBB) is worth a great deal from a branding perspective, and probably easily covers the difference between the cost of the program now and the cost of a program with Mulkey. Because that's the question - the delta. If you're correct about the value of the program with Mulkey, then now it is a pure cost center that should be cut (if we can otherwise meet title ix more cheaply) or just cut to the bone. No point in being pretty good to above average in WBB.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:So how do you value that PR? You must have some good numbers.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:It adds none if you aren't playing in Final 4s.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
LSU / Iowa drew 9.9M viewers. The semi-final games were around half that. The quarters around 2.5M. Not to mention the brand coverage you get all over the place during the end of that tourney run.
If you're not in the elite club, it's probably not worth much. Doesn't matter if we go 12-4 in conference or 4-12.
And precious little if you are in the Final Four.
Silly ol' LSU is paying Mulkey $3.2M/year for 10 years and pays a player over $1M per year through NIL.
Guess we just know a lot more about college athletics than they do. They may be winning the NC now, but we've got them right where we want them.
You value that PR by asking what percentage of your positive PR it represents. In 2005, it was a pretty significant chunk for Baylor since we had so little positive PR. In more recent years, it is significantly less.
They are paying her 3.6 million a year, but 3.2 is close enough.
It seems that Mulkey didn't want to be at Baylor if she wasn't calling the shots and Baylor didn't need her to be calling the shots. It was the right choice for Baylor to let her go. You should let her go, too.
Given the level of players we are continuing to sign and the style of play Baylor plays, there's no reason to expect we won't continue to be fairly elite. Perhaps even good enough, as Mulkey was, to win the occasional national championship.
D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I don't think you're anywhere near close having a real quantitative answer to this. That's fine. Just admit it. I don't have a quantitative answer either. But I think the visibility of having an elite WBB program (not to mention becoming the new version of UConn - dominant in MBB and WBB) is worth a great deal from a branding perspective, and probably easily covers the difference between the cost of the program now and the cost of a program with Mulkey. Because that's the question - the delta. If you're correct about the value of the program with Mulkey, then now it is a pure cost center that should be cut (if we can otherwise meet title ix more cheaply) or just cut to the bone. No point in being pretty good to above average in WBB.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:So how do you value that PR? You must have some good numbers.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:It adds none if you aren't playing in Final 4s.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
LSU / Iowa drew 9.9M viewers. The semi-final games were around half that. The quarters around 2.5M. Not to mention the brand coverage you get all over the place during the end of that tourney run.
If you're not in the elite club, it's probably not worth much. Doesn't matter if we go 12-4 in conference or 4-12.
And precious little if you are in the Final Four.
Silly ol' LSU is paying Mulkey $3.2M/year for 10 years and pays a player over $1M per year through NIL.
Guess we just know a lot more about college athletics than they do. They may be winning the NC now, but we've got them right where we want them.
You value that PR by asking what percentage of your positive PR it represents. In 2005, it was a pretty significant chunk for Baylor since we had so little positive PR. In more recent years, it is significantly less.
They are paying her 3.6 million a year, but 3.2 is close enough.
It seems that Mulkey didn't want to be at Baylor if she wasn't calling the shots and Baylor didn't need her to be calling the shots. It was the right choice for Baylor to let her go. You should let her go, too.
Given the level of players we are continuing to sign and the style of play Baylor plays, there's no reason to expect we won't continue to be fairly elite. Perhaps even good enough, as Mulkey was, to win the occasional national championship.
That's speculation. If recruiting led to elite teams, Texas and Texas A&M would be duking it out in the national championship game or at least NY6 bowl games year after year
We weren't even in the top five in women's basketball recruiting last year. Kim Mulkey brought in the number one class
https://justwomenssports.com/reads/womens-ncaa-college-basketball-top-15-recruiting-class-rankings/
No Quarterback said:D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I don't think you're anywhere near close having a real quantitative answer to this. That's fine. Just admit it. I don't have a quantitative answer either. But I think the visibility of having an elite WBB program (not to mention becoming the new version of UConn - dominant in MBB and WBB) is worth a great deal from a branding perspective, and probably easily covers the difference between the cost of the program now and the cost of a program with Mulkey. Because that's the question - the delta. If you're correct about the value of the program with Mulkey, then now it is a pure cost center that should be cut (if we can otherwise meet title ix more cheaply) or just cut to the bone. No point in being pretty good to above average in WBB.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:So how do you value that PR? You must have some good numbers.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:It adds none if you aren't playing in Final 4s.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
LSU / Iowa drew 9.9M viewers. The semi-final games were around half that. The quarters around 2.5M. Not to mention the brand coverage you get all over the place during the end of that tourney run.
If you're not in the elite club, it's probably not worth much. Doesn't matter if we go 12-4 in conference or 4-12.
And precious little if you are in the Final Four.
Silly ol' LSU is paying Mulkey $3.2M/year for 10 years and pays a player over $1M per year through NIL.
Guess we just know a lot more about college athletics than they do. They may be winning the NC now, but we've got them right where we want them.
You value that PR by asking what percentage of your positive PR it represents. In 2005, it was a pretty significant chunk for Baylor since we had so little positive PR. In more recent years, it is significantly less.
They are paying her 3.6 million a year, but 3.2 is close enough.
It seems that Mulkey didn't want to be at Baylor if she wasn't calling the shots and Baylor didn't need her to be calling the shots. It was the right choice for Baylor to let her go. You should let her go, too.
Given the level of players we are continuing to sign and the style of play Baylor plays, there's no reason to expect we won't continue to be fairly elite. Perhaps even good enough, as Mulkey was, to win the occasional national championship.
That's speculation. If recruiting led to elite teams, Texas and Texas A&M would be duking it out in the national championship game or at least NY6 bowl games year after year
Anything about the future is "speculation." It is a reasonable prediction.
Agree to disagree on Rhoades. Tomorrow is a litmus test for Aranda.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Judging by what we got, I'd say Rhoades either planned poorly or could not persuade the right people to come here.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Rhule didn't stay long enough for anyone to suggest he made a lasting impact. Certainly Rhoades has indicated he knew Rhule wanted to be an NFL coach but made no plans for that eventuality, so the case of Rhule's hiring that is something else that Rhoades fumbled.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
You don't think Rhoades (and every other AD in the country) has plans to replace coaches?
And I would say that Aranda has shown great leadership, and so has Rhoades.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
D. C. Bear said:No Quarterback said:D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I don't think you're anywhere near close having a real quantitative answer to this. That's fine. Just admit it. I don't have a quantitative answer either. But I think the visibility of having an elite WBB program (not to mention becoming the new version of UConn - dominant in MBB and WBB) is worth a great deal from a branding perspective, and probably easily covers the difference between the cost of the program now and the cost of a program with Mulkey. Because that's the question - the delta. If you're correct about the value of the program with Mulkey, then now it is a pure cost center that should be cut (if we can otherwise meet title ix more cheaply) or just cut to the bone. No point in being pretty good to above average in WBB.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:So how do you value that PR? You must have some good numbers.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:It adds none if you aren't playing in Final 4s.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
LSU / Iowa drew 9.9M viewers. The semi-final games were around half that. The quarters around 2.5M. Not to mention the brand coverage you get all over the place during the end of that tourney run.
If you're not in the elite club, it's probably not worth much. Doesn't matter if we go 12-4 in conference or 4-12.
And precious little if you are in the Final Four.
Silly ol' LSU is paying Mulkey $3.2M/year for 10 years and pays a player over $1M per year through NIL.
Guess we just know a lot more about college athletics than they do. They may be winning the NC now, but we've got them right where we want them.
You value that PR by asking what percentage of your positive PR it represents. In 2005, it was a pretty significant chunk for Baylor since we had so little positive PR. In more recent years, it is significantly less.
They are paying her 3.6 million a year, but 3.2 is close enough.
It seems that Mulkey didn't want to be at Baylor if she wasn't calling the shots and Baylor didn't need her to be calling the shots. It was the right choice for Baylor to let her go. You should let her go, too.
Given the level of players we are continuing to sign and the style of play Baylor plays, there's no reason to expect we won't continue to be fairly elite. Perhaps even good enough, as Mulkey was, to win the occasional national championship.
That's speculation. If recruiting led to elite teams, Texas and Texas A&M would be duking it out in the national championship game or at least NY6 bowl games year after year
Anything about the future is "speculation." It is a reasonable prediction.
Exactly, based on your own standard, you're speculating. You've stated in previous posts how much you love fact-based arguments, and yet you rarely provide any sort of research you've done about anything you post. You just speculated on on 2 accounts 1. That we are recruiting at an elite level. 2. that recruiting at an elite level leads to national championships. I'm not asking anything crazy of you DC, just this: that you hold yourself to the standard that you hold others on this free message board
D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
You need to prove every single one of these claims with facts. How did Mack hold the big 12 together. How is the jury still out on baseball, etc.
Oldbear83 said:Agree to disagree on Rhoades. Tomorrow is a litmus test for Aranda.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Judging by what we got, I'd say Rhoades either planned poorly or could not persuade the right people to come here.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Rhule didn't stay long enough for anyone to suggest he made a lasting impact. Certainly Rhoades has indicated he knew Rhule wanted to be an NFL coach but made no plans for that eventuality, so the case of Rhule's hiring that is something else that Rhoades fumbled.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
You don't think Rhoades (and every other AD in the country) has plans to replace coaches?
And I would say that Aranda has shown great leadership, and so has Rhoades.
I was quoting someone else in the post above.
D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Even if Mulkey was right call, Cohen was wrong call. Not because she's a bad person or coach but because she doesn't have access and relationships to the recruits we need.
She's learning on the job about college coaching.
Honestly, I can't think of anything better than when he got here.
Mitch Blood Green said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Even if Mulkey was right call, Cohen was wrong call. Not because she's a bad person or coach but because she doesn't have access and relationships to the recruits we need.
She's learning on the job about college coaching.
Honestly, I can't think of anything better than when he got here.
Huh? Are you aware of the state of our football program when Rhoades took over? We were toxic. And he's had two football coaching hires in a row go to the CCG
I'll agree on Collen for now. This year is a proving year for her.
Mitch Blood Green said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Even if Mulkey was right call, Cohen was wrong call. Not because she's a bad person or coach but because she doesn't have access and relationships to the recruits we need.
She's learning on the job about college coaching.
Honestly, I can't think of anything better than when he got here.
If you could spell her name correctly, maybe your view of recruiting abilities would hold more weight.
The fact that you can't think of anything better than when ADMR got here and also think Joe Biden is doing a bang up job is pretty telling.
No Quarterback said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
You need to prove every single one of these claims with facts. How did Mack hold the big 12 together. How is the jury still out on baseball, etc.
Thompson was hired 464 days ago. I would say the jury is still out on his baseball hire.
"Fairly elite." Sorry, there are still things either one is or one isn't. No wiggle room.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I don't think you're anywhere near close having a real quantitative answer to this. That's fine. Just admit it. I don't have a quantitative answer either. But I think the visibility of having an elite WBB program (not to mention becoming the new version of UConn - dominant in MBB and WBB) is worth a great deal from a branding perspective, and probably easily covers the difference between the cost of the program now and the cost of a program with Mulkey. Because that's the question - the delta. If you're correct about the value of the program with Mulkey, then now it is a pure cost center that should be cut (if we can otherwise meet title ix more cheaply) or just cut to the bone. No point in being pretty good to above average in WBB.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:So how do you value that PR? You must have some good numbers.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:It adds none if you aren't playing in Final 4s.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
LSU / Iowa drew 9.9M viewers. The semi-final games were around half that. The quarters around 2.5M. Not to mention the brand coverage you get all over the place during the end of that tourney run.
If you're not in the elite club, it's probably not worth much. Doesn't matter if we go 12-4 in conference or 4-12.
And precious little if you are in the Final Four.
Silly ol' LSU is paying Mulkey $3.2M/year for 10 years and pays a player over $1M per year through NIL.
Guess we just know a lot more about college athletics than they do. They may be winning the NC now, but we've got them right where we want them.
You value that PR by asking what percentage of your positive PR it represents. In 2005, it was a pretty significant chunk for Baylor since we had so little positive PR. In more recent years, it is significantly less.
They are paying her 3.6 million a year, but 3.2 is close enough.
It seems that Mulkey didn't want to be at Baylor if she wasn't calling the shots and Baylor didn't need her to be calling the shots. It was the right choice for Baylor to let her go. You should let her go, too.
Given the level of players we are continuing to sign and the style of play Baylor plays, there's no reason to expect we won't continue to be fairly elite. Perhaps even good enough, as Mulkey was, to win the occasional national championship.
canoso said:"Fairly elite." Sorry, there are still things either one is or one isn't. No wiggle room.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I don't think you're anywhere near close having a real quantitative answer to this. That's fine. Just admit it. I don't have a quantitative answer either. But I think the visibility of having an elite WBB program (not to mention becoming the new version of UConn - dominant in MBB and WBB) is worth a great deal from a branding perspective, and probably easily covers the difference between the cost of the program now and the cost of a program with Mulkey. Because that's the question - the delta. If you're correct about the value of the program with Mulkey, then now it is a pure cost center that should be cut (if we can otherwise meet title ix more cheaply) or just cut to the bone. No point in being pretty good to above average in WBB.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:So how do you value that PR? You must have some good numbers.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:It adds none if you aren't playing in Final 4s.D. C. Bear said:Robert Wilson said:I think you are underestimating the PR/marketing value of winning NCs in women's basketball (much less every year), given how much ESPN pushes it throughout the spring.D. C. Bear said:ScottS said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Wrong on Mulkey
Women's basketball coach is not worth 3.6 million per year at Baylor if she wins the national championship every single time.
Now, the value of being average to above average is probably about zero, so at that point go dirt cheap.
We are likely to remain well above average (we are still top 15 in preseason poll even after last season's disappointing outcome), but how much value added does women's basketball really give, particularly when you have an elite men's team? Is it worth paying $3.6 million for one coach? Probably not. So, yes, good call to allow her to take a higher paying position.
LSU / Iowa drew 9.9M viewers. The semi-final games were around half that. The quarters around 2.5M. Not to mention the brand coverage you get all over the place during the end of that tourney run.
If you're not in the elite club, it's probably not worth much. Doesn't matter if we go 12-4 in conference or 4-12.
And precious little if you are in the Final Four.
Silly ol' LSU is paying Mulkey $3.2M/year for 10 years and pays a player over $1M per year through NIL.
Guess we just know a lot more about college athletics than they do. They may be winning the NC now, but we've got them right where we want them.
You value that PR by asking what percentage of your positive PR it represents. In 2005, it was a pretty significant chunk for Baylor since we had so little positive PR. In more recent years, it is significantly less.
They are paying her 3.6 million a year, but 3.2 is close enough.
It seems that Mulkey didn't want to be at Baylor if she wasn't calling the shots and Baylor didn't need her to be calling the shots. It was the right choice for Baylor to let her go. You should let her go, too.
Given the level of players we are continuing to sign and the style of play Baylor plays, there's no reason to expect we won't continue to be fairly elite. Perhaps even good enough, as Mulkey was, to win the occasional national championship.
Elite is a wiggly term. There is no formal statistical definition. For women's b ball I would say elite: regularly ranked 1-2 or 3 nationally, "fairly elite," regularly ranked 1-7 or 8 nationally. Other's can have other definitions because there is actually wiggle room.
D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Ok, not brother n law. Mac that you?
FLBear5630 said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Ok, not brother n law. Mac that you?
You know, if it was ADMR, you know, I would have a very different way of expressing myself.
D. C. Bear said:Mitch Blood Green said:D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:Nope. The Rhoades people have been tying Drew to Rhoades, as if Drew owed Rhoades for Drew's hard work and perseverence.D. C. Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Just to be clear, how much credit does Rhoades get for hiring Scott Drew?
Just to be clearer, the question wasn't whether he hired Drew, the question was what is better since his arrival.
Sorry but that is crap. Rhoades can't claim credit for the MBB championship just because he didn't get in the way.
You wanna prop Rhoades, find something he actually did, that improved a program.
You'll be looking for a long time if you try.
Not looking very long at all.
He hired Matt Rhule. That improved our football program a great deal.
Jury is out on Mitch and baseball.
He made the right call to let Coach Mulkey go to LSU.
More generally, he also played a significant role in holding the Big 12 together when it could have imploded. That helps ALL of Baylor's programs.
Even if Mulkey was right call, Cohen was wrong call. Not because she's a bad person or coach but because she doesn't have access and relationships to the recruits we need.
She's learning on the job about college coaching.
Honestly, I can't think of anything better than when he got here.
If you could spell her name correctly, maybe your view of recruiting abilities would hold more weight.
The fact that you can't think of anything better than when ADMR got here and also think Joe Biden is doing a bang up job is pretty telling.
I can't spell her name but I can see the program isn't better than when she got here. If I spelled it correctly, would that give us a big 12 championship or sweet 16 appearance?
You don't remove Farrah Fawcett from Charlie's Angels, replace her with Maude and write scripts that put Maude in beauty pageants. Some things are a misfit.
So, here's the oaky doaky you fell for. Rhoades and Mulkey didn't get along. So she leaves. Now we start the campaign that's she's difficult and not worth "$3.6M"
You're measuring the debit side of the ledger. (Tells me you're from the business school and likely finance or accounting). What a winning woman's program does is keeps the alumni engaged and donating. There's only one program exciting today. One. Not football. Not tennis. Not track. Not baseball. Not woman's basketball.
Nope, nothing is better. What he is doing is slowly lowering our expectations.
You tell me. What is better? The athletic department economics?
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