GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
Because it's not in our control. We could start a fundraising campaign for a steaming pile of **** if we wanted. That doesn't mean it gets funded.PartyBear said:
Why not work it the same way we do for coaching salary budgets or nice new facilities and expansions thereof?
Every argument you make as to why we for some reason should blow off NIL and we will still be fine are the arguments from the 90s folks before you were arguing against paying coaches alot of money and having nice facilities which doomed us to darkness for a prolonged period of time.
Wrong. BMDs are interested in having their names on things. If, incidentally, it helps us win games, all the better. Most of these people don't care as much as you do about Baylor football's on-field success.PartyBear said:
Well they think nice new expansions to already new and shiny facilities will still buy wins as if the ground hasnt shifted from under us, so I'm not sure the BMDs arent interested in buying wins.
bear2be2 said:br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.
No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.
br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
You might be right about the fact that our BMD's don't want to spend money on players. But I think you're wrong in that you don't think they care about on-field success as much as us.bear2be2 said:Wrong. BMDs are interested in having their names on things. If, incidentally, it helps us win games, all the better. Most of these people don't care as much as you do about Baylor football's on-field success.PartyBear said:
Well they think nice new expansions to already new and shiny facilities will still buy wins as if the ground hasnt shifted from under us, so I'm not sure the BMDs arent interested in buying wins.
br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
A&M's current enrollment (ie. students on their campus right now) is about 57,000. UT's is 52,000. So they generate more alumni than our total living alumni about every 15 years (4 graduation cycles).Redbrickbear said:bear2be2 said:br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.
No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.
So that is 74,400 alumni in just 6 Texas cities....all within 3hrs or so of driving time back to Waco to watch football games and stay interested in Baylor sports.
GoodOleBaylorLine said:A&M's current enrollment (ie. students on their campus right now) is about 57,000. UT's is 52,000. So they generate more alumni than our total living alumni about every 15 years.Redbrickbear said:bear2be2 said:br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.
No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.
So that is 74,400 alumni in just 6 Texas cities....all within 3hrs or so of driving time back to Waco to watch football games and stay interested in Baylor sports.
That sure seems like a game we can win!!!
And be a lot richerScottS said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:A&M's current enrollment (ie. students on their campus right now) is about 57,000. UT's is 52,000. So they generate more alumni than our total living alumni about every 15 years.Redbrickbear said:bear2be2 said:br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.
No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.
So that is 74,400 alumni in just 6 Texas cities....all within 3hrs or so of driving time back to Waco to watch football games and stay interested in Baylor sports.
That sure seems like a game we can win!!!
We need to find ways for our alums to live alot longer.
And it's crazy to think that all living alums would pay into an NIL collective. A good majority of those people don't care at all about athletics, and many of those who do, myself included, aren't interested in giving to that cause.GoodOleBaylorLine said:A&M's current enrollment (ie. students on their campus right now) is about 57,000. UT's is 52,000. So they generate more alumni than our total living alumni about every 15 years (4 graduation cycles).Redbrickbear said:bear2be2 said:br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.
No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.
So that is 74,400 alumni in just 6 Texas cities....all within 3hrs or so of driving time back to Waco to watch football games and stay interested in Baylor sports.
That sure seems like a game we can win!!!
If pay for play is legal, the schools should be funding it. It's asinine that they're not.Dia del DougO said:
If pay for play (which it is) is legal, the schools should be able to recoup all scholarship tuition, meals and training funds that they are providing. Then they should be taxed like anyone else that makes ****-tons of money.
Really? You want Texas's permanent university fund to be used to pay football players and outbid other states' endowments rather than educate kids? Because that's what's going to happen.bear2be2 said:If play for play is legal, the schools should be funding it. It's asinine that they're not.Dia del DougO said:
If pay for play (which it is) is legal, the schools should be able to recoup all scholarship tuition, meals and training funds that they are providing. Then they should be taxed like anyone else that makes ****-tons of money.
There are only 85 scholarships and Texas already gets its pick of recruits as it is. So what exactly changes, other than the fact that schools would no longer be able to privatize profits and socialize expenditures? And if the schools were funding these things, you can damn sure bet that some guard rails would be incorporated.GoodOleBaylorLine said:Really? You want Texas's permanent university fund to be used to pay football players and outbid other states' endowments rather than educate kids? Because that's what's going to happen.bear2be2 said:If play for play is legal, the schools should be funding it. It's asinine that they're not.Dia del DougO said:
If pay for play (which it is) is legal, the schools should be able to recoup all scholarship tuition, meals and training funds that they are providing. Then they should be taxed like anyone else that makes ****-tons of money.
GoodOleBaylorLine said:A&M's current enrollment (ie. students on their campus right now) is about 57,000. UT's is 52,000. So they generate more alumni than our total living alumni about every 15 years (4 graduation cycles).Redbrickbear said:bear2be2 said:br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.
No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.
So that is 74,400 alumni in just 6 Texas cities....all within 3hrs or so of driving time back to Waco to watch football games and stay interested in Baylor sports.
That sure seems like a game we can win!!!
GoodOleBaylorLine said:
@br53
Do tell your plan to compete with UT head to head in NIL? Me and about 100 other schools are all ears.
bear2be2 said:Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.
No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.
Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.
The school can't raise money for NIL. It's illegal. A&M tried and got their ass slapped down.EuropeBear said:bear2be2 said:Why do so many here act like NIL is a will issue? Like if we would just emphasize it, millions of dollars would magically appear.br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
This isn't a will issue. It's a means issue. We don't have donors who enjoy throwing their money away, which is what it takes to fund a competitive NIL program.
No amount of urging will make those Baylor alums with stupid money start being stupid with their money. We're not LSU or Alabama. Our boosters don't care at that level and they never will. And frankly, that's not even a bad thing. "NIL," as currently constituted, is ****ing stupid.
Y'all can continue to ***** about this, but it's not going to change anytime soon. So we had better find a coach that can work around it and build a competent program. It's not the impossible task Aranda's inability to develop talent has led so many of you to believe it is.
Wrong, when was NIL announcement to all alumni and everyone asked to contribute? I've seen but a board announcement for GXG. Meanwhile I got an email asking for money from the Business school yesterday. I get emails and calls from Baylor on regular basis.
That's priority and will.
ImwithBU said:br53 said:GoodOleBaylorLine said:
That's Mississippi State's and Mizzou's problem now.
We need to focus on what we can do with the resources we have in the B12.
Wrong attitude in this day and age and us why we are always little ole Baylor to everyone else
Let be serious, we never have and never will compete with UT for recruits. Blue bloods always separate from the others even before NIL. Development and strength and conditioning was the key during the Briles years. That's why you take a chance on a key like Pitre (recruited by Briles) and developed by Rhule and that player turns into an All-American
We need to work to become the Tampa Bay Rays of college football. They've come up just short of the ultimate prize, but they're in the mix year and in and year out because they're the best run organization in baseball. There are no inefficiencies in that organization.Drisk said:
This is exactly it. Most casual fans think that college football is turning into the NFL. The reality is, it's turning into MLB.
There are measures in place the NFL that are designed to create parity (salary cap, draft order). It keeps things interesting for fans of all 32 teams. As a long suffering Browns fan, that's saying something. I can at least take comfort in knowing each team has an equal shot coming into every season.
MLB, on the other hand, is set up to allow the big market teams to stay competitive every year. Small market teams (like my Indians) have to be crafty with contracts and talent acquisition. Generally, this means letting talented players leave via free agency or trading them for pennies on the dollar in the final year of their contracts. You essentially operate as a farm league for the big spenders. It's a never ending cycle of developing talent cheaply and letting it go when it becomes too expensive. Best case scenario: you catch lightning in a bottle for one season with a young roster and somehow capture a title. Considering Cleveland hasn't done that since 1948, the odds aren't particularly encouraging. What's hard to believe is that College football exacerbates this problem as players can now leave on a whim to go to the highest bidder via the transfer portal. There are no binding contracts keeping them in place for more than one season at a time.
I'm not saying things need to be completely even in the college sports landscape. There's always been a competitive imbalance in CFB. That's part of what makes it fun. It's what gives us the chance to see David take down Goliath each Saturday. It's what makes it extra special watching a Goliath wander aimlessly for 15+ years.
But college sports, much like or country, are at their very best when there's a strong middle class. Unfortunately the Transfer Portal, NIL and network greed are turning CFB into a dichotomy of haves and have-nots. While it's too late to change the rules that have been put in place for the players, it's not too late to implement rules for the universities (how much they are able to pay annually or over a 2 or 3 year window in totality). Otherwise, we can kiss college football goodbye.
That doesn't make any sense. The whole point of NIL (if done legally) is for a supporter to benefit from the name, image and likeness of a specific player. e..g. I pay Blake Shapen to appear on instagram and support my restaurantmontypython said:
I'm hoping someone can answer these questions for me in regards to NIL.
Are there rules in place that state that NIL cannot target specific players and sports?
Is Baylor adding it's own restrictions on NIL?
I'm almost 100% sure that on Baylor's website I see rules / restrictions that NIL cannot target specific players or sports. However, I don't see such restrictions on the NCAA website.
