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Here is the singular fact - ONE person associated with the Baylor football program was credibly convicted of rape, and he never put on a Baylor uniform.

Contrast that with the Case McCoy, Jameis Winston, and myriad other allegations of sexual assault covered up by schools and the media.

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Thanks for adding the relevant objective fact to this discussion.

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It's crazy how many of our own fans forget that Tevin Elliott was convicted of raping three women. So, there were actually two convictions.

Briles didn't mishandle Elliott. He was suspended as soon as he was arrested. But the fact remains there were two convictions.

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Pretty sure he was referencing Elliot

The whole sam u thing (who never played for us) was as gray as can be with multiple reversals back and forth on appeal and some still pending

I mean the jury came in w a guilty verdict but have him like 6 months or probation … ? Then the appeals circus began, and that trial was plainly a mess.

Robert Wilson said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Realitybites said:

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Here is the singular fact - ONE person associated with the Baylor football program was credibly convicted of rape, and he never put on a Baylor uniform.

Contrast that with the Case McCoy, Jameis Winston, and myriad other allegations of sexual assault covered up by schools and the media.

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Thanks for adding the relevant objective fact to this discussion.

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It's crazy how many of our own fans forget that Tevin Elliott was convicted of raping three women. So, there were actually two convictions.

Briles didn't mishandle Elliott. He was suspended as soon as he was arrested. But the fact remains there were two convictions.

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Pretty sure he was referencing Elliot

The whole sam u thing (who never played for us) was as gray as can be with multiple reversals back and forth on appeal and some still pending

I mean the jury came in w a guilty verdict but have him like 6 months or probation … ? Then the appeals circus began, and that trial was plainly a mess.

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He would have had to have been referencing Sam Ukwuachu, because Tevin Elliott not only played for us, but was a starter at DE for a year.

Mitch Henessey said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Realitybites said:

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Here is the singular fact - ONE person associated with the Baylor football program was credibly convicted of rape, and he never put on a Baylor uniform.

Contrast that with the Case McCoy, Jameis Winston, and myriad other allegations of sexual assault covered up by schools and the media.

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Thanks for adding the relevant objective fact to this discussion.

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It's crazy how many of our own fans forget that Tevin Elliott was convicted of raping three women. So, there were actually two convictions.

Briles didn't mishandle Elliott. He was suspended as soon as he was arrested. But the fact remains there were two convictions.

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Pretty sure he was referencing Elliot

The whole sam u thing (who never played for us) was as gray as can be with multiple reversals back and forth on appeal and some still pending

I mean the jury came in w a guilty verdict but have him like 6 months or probation … ? Then the appeals circus began, and that trial was plainly a mess.

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He would have had to have been referencing Sam Ukwuachu, because Tevin Elliott not only played for us, but was a starter at DE for a year.

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True

Also, Tevin Elliott could've happened to any program.

Kid straight out of high school with a good record. Turns out to be a violent serial rapist. Frankly, that is just bad luck.

Our BOR and its apologists tried to smear Ken Starr because he attempted the back the kid on an academic appeal. As if that equates to knowing that he was a rapist. Just one example of their smearing dishonesty.

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You're missing the point. None of those other rapist's coaches got fired and lives destroyed as a scapegoat.

No matter how you try to spin it, it comes off as Hypocrisy.

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Baby Briles had the most red flags of the bunch and he never stopped getting work.

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Married A Horn said:

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You're missing the point. None of those other rapist's coaches got fired and lives destroyed as a scapegoat.

No matter how you try to spin it, it comes off as Hypocrisy.

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Baby Briles had the most red flags of the bunch and he never stopped getting work.

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That is what I always thought - none of it makes sense if you look at it via facts and logic.

However it all makes sense if you look at it from false accusations (for various reasons) and bor scapegoating.

RightRevBear said:

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wgeralds said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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LagunaBear said:

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Sorry for one more thread on Briles...BUT I wanted to present maybe a grounded perspective. I feel like everyone is in one of the two camps (either BOR is scum or Briles is scum).

My view when this thing broke ~6 years ago was:

1) Baylor did not have a comprehensive program in place to handle sexual assault claims; However,
2) There was an unusually high number of claims coming from the football program. Additionally, even though Briles had no direct knowledge of any claim (Baylor admitted that 6 years ago), he should have known what was going on with his players. And that's the only reason he was fired.

If both of those are true then I don't see how the case absolves either party of anything. It just confirms what we already thought.

• Do y'all agree with 1 and 2?

If so, then this whole thing makes a bit of sense. We can disagree, but it's reasonable.

There were LOTS of mistakes along the way. But I just have a hard time believing that there was a plot by the BOR to oust Briles in the most humiliating way possible and in doing so cause so much shame and embarrassment on themselves, the school and maybe the best coach we ever had. However, if they did, and they used Briles as a scapegoat to cover their own sins then they need to serve the punishment doled out to Briles (e.g., each one of them should never be able to work in their respective fields ever again.)

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How would you define "unusually high number of claims"?

Based on what bench mark? Have you been a college athlete? Around them closely? Any idea what happens A LOT given people that may be worth millions in 6 months etc?

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hi - i was around a few pretty closely (student from 2007 to 2011, worked in waco 2011-2012, law school starting in 2012). partied with them, had classes with them, scruffsed with them, spring breaked with them, had my walls punched in by them...lots of them truly believed they were above the law (as a lot of privileged kids who weren't football players do too i know). the things i witnessed not related to sexual assault: players yelling at professors, players taking tests outside of the classroom to the football facilities, players beat people up and when the cops got involved there were no incident reports, players selling things and again when cops got involved there were no police reports, players vandalizing houses/vehicles...again when cops got involved it was how quiet can we keep this *****

i'm not sure what the role of a head coach is and isn't, whether that was CAB's fault i have zero clue, but i do believe the above was abnormal. and who's fault it is...again no clue. but just like with your kids, if you give an inch someone will take a mile. if the inch is assault, theft, drugs, vandalism....what's the mile here?

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I call bs. Why were you hanging out and partying with these guys if they were like this?

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you're joking, right? either you're 50+ years old or never went to college. why would a 20 year old dude want to hangout and party with the big men on campus? oh jeez boomer, i dont know....gee shucks

Mitch Henessey said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Realitybites said:

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Here is the singular fact - ONE person associated with the Baylor football program was credibly convicted of rape, and he never put on a Baylor uniform.

Contrast that with the Case McCoy, Jameis Winston, and myriad other allegations of sexual assault covered up by schools and the media.

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Thanks for adding the relevant objective fact to this discussion.

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It's crazy how many of our own fans forget that Tevin Elliott was convicted of raping three women. So, there were actually two convictions.

Briles didn't mishandle Elliott. He was suspended as soon as he was arrested. But the fact remains there were two convictions.

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Pretty sure he was referencing Elliot

The whole sam u thing (who never played for us) was as gray as can be with multiple reversals back and forth on appeal and some still pending

I mean the jury came in w a guilty verdict but have him like 6 months or probation … ? Then the appeals circus began, and that trial was plainly a mess.

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He would have had to have been referencing Sam Ukwuachu, because Tevin Elliott not only played for us, but was a starter at DE for a year.

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I do not believe Elliott ever put on a Baylor uniform.

I think the jokes on you.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Realitybites said:

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Here is the singular fact - ONE person associated with the Baylor football program was credibly convicted of rape, and he never put on a Baylor uniform.

Contrast that with the Case McCoy, Jameis Winston, and myriad other allegations of sexual assault covered up by schools and the media.

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Thanks for adding the relevant objective fact to this discussion.

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It's crazy how many of our own fans forget that Tevin Elliott was convicted of raping three women. So, there were actually two convictions.

Briles didn't mishandle Elliott. He was suspended as soon as he was arrested. But the fact remains there were two convictions.

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Pretty sure he was referencing Elliot

The whole sam u thing (who never played for us) was as gray as can be with multiple reversals back and forth on appeal and some still pending

I mean the jury came in w a guilty verdict but have him like 6 months or probation … ? Then the appeals circus began, and that trial was plainly a mess.

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He would have had to have been referencing Sam Ukwuachu, because Tevin Elliott not only played for us, but was a starter at DE for a year.

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I do not believe Elliott ever put on a Baylor uniform.

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Cool, man. Believe what you want, but you're wrong.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tevin-elliott-1.html

Played in 25 games over two seasons. I personally witnessed him snap a Rice kick returner's leg on kickoff coverage in 2010.

He did.

wgeralds said:

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RightRevBear said:

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wgeralds said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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LagunaBear said:

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Sorry for one more thread on Briles...BUT I wanted to present maybe a grounded perspective. I feel like everyone is in one of the two camps (either BOR is scum or Briles is scum).

My view when this thing broke ~6 years ago was:

1) Baylor did not have a comprehensive program in place to handle sexual assault claims; However,
2) There was an unusually high number of claims coming from the football program. Additionally, even though Briles had no direct knowledge of any claim (Baylor admitted that 6 years ago), he should have known what was going on with his players. And that's the only reason he was fired.

If both of those are true then I don't see how the case absolves either party of anything. It just confirms what we already thought.

• Do y'all agree with 1 and 2?

If so, then this whole thing makes a bit of sense. We can disagree, but it's reasonable.

There were LOTS of mistakes along the way. But I just have a hard time believing that there was a plot by the BOR to oust Briles in the most humiliating way possible and in doing so cause so much shame and embarrassment on themselves, the school and maybe the best coach we ever had. However, if they did, and they used Briles as a scapegoat to cover their own sins then they need to serve the punishment doled out to Briles (e.g., each one of them should never be able to work in their respective fields ever again.)

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How would you define "unusually high number of claims"?

Based on what bench mark? Have you been a college athlete? Around them closely? Any idea what happens A LOT given people that may be worth millions in 6 months etc?

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hi - i was around a few pretty closely (student from 2007 to 2011, worked in waco 2011-2012, law school starting in 2012). partied with them, had classes with them, scruffsed with them, spring breaked with them, had my walls punched in by them...lots of them truly believed they were above the law (as a lot of privileged kids who weren't football players do too i know). the things i witnessed not related to sexual assault: players yelling at professors, players taking tests outside of the classroom to the football facilities, players beat people up and when the cops got involved there were no incident reports, players selling things and again when cops got involved there were no police reports, players vandalizing houses/vehicles...again when cops got involved it was how quiet can we keep this *****

i'm not sure what the role of a head coach is and isn't, whether that was CAB's fault i have zero clue, but i do believe the above was abnormal. and who's fault it is...again no clue. but just like with your kids, if you give an inch someone will take a mile. if the inch is assault, theft, drugs, vandalism....what's the mile here?

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I call bs. Why were you hanging out and partying with these guys if they were like this?

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you're joking, right? either you're 50+ years old or never went to college. why would a 20 year old dude want to hangout and party with the big men on campus? oh jeez boomer, i dont know....gee shucks

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First, I am not a boomer, and I am under 50. Second, this says a lot about your character that you would continually hang out with the big men on campus even though they supposedly acted like this and mistreated you. Also, you hung out with undergrads while at law school. This reeks of an insecure hanger on at best. I really think this is bs.

RightRevBear said:

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wgeralds said:

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RightRevBear said:

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wgeralds said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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LagunaBear said:

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Sorry for one more thread on Briles...BUT I wanted to present maybe a grounded perspective. I feel like everyone is in one of the two camps (either BOR is scum or Briles is scum).

My view when this thing broke ~6 years ago was:

1) Baylor did not have a comprehensive program in place to handle sexual assault claims; However,
2) There was an unusually high number of claims coming from the football program. Additionally, even though Briles had no direct knowledge of any claim (Baylor admitted that 6 years ago), he should have known what was going on with his players. And that's the only reason he was fired.

If both of those are true then I don't see how the case absolves either party of anything. It just confirms what we already thought.

• Do y'all agree with 1 and 2?

If so, then this whole thing makes a bit of sense. We can disagree, but it's reasonable.

There were LOTS of mistakes along the way. But I just have a hard time believing that there was a plot by the BOR to oust Briles in the most humiliating way possible and in doing so cause so much shame and embarrassment on themselves, the school and maybe the best coach we ever had. However, if they did, and they used Briles as a scapegoat to cover their own sins then they need to serve the punishment doled out to Briles (e.g., each one of them should never be able to work in their respective fields ever again.)

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How would you define "unusually high number of claims"?

Based on what bench mark? Have you been a college athlete? Around them closely? Any idea what happens A LOT given people that may be worth millions in 6 months etc?

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hi - i was around a few pretty closely (student from 2007 to 2011, worked in waco 2011-2012, law school starting in 2012). partied with them, had classes with them, scruffsed with them, spring breaked with them, had my walls punched in by them...lots of them truly believed they were above the law (as a lot of privileged kids who weren't football players do too i know). the things i witnessed not related to sexual assault: players yelling at professors, players taking tests outside of the classroom to the football facilities, players beat people up and when the cops got involved there were no incident reports, players selling things and again when cops got involved there were no police reports, players vandalizing houses/vehicles...again when cops got involved it was how quiet can we keep this *****

i'm not sure what the role of a head coach is and isn't, whether that was CAB's fault i have zero clue, but i do believe the above was abnormal. and who's fault it is...again no clue. but just like with your kids, if you give an inch someone will take a mile. if the inch is assault, theft, drugs, vandalism....what's the mile here?

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I call bs. Why were you hanging out and partying with these guys if they were like this?

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you're joking, right? either you're 50+ years old or never went to college. why would a 20 year old dude want to hangout and party with the big men on campus? oh jeez boomer, i dont know....gee shucks

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First, I am not a boomer, and I am under 50. Second, this says a lot about your character that you would continually hang out with the big men on campus even though they supposedly acted like this and mistreated you. Also, you hung out with undergrads while at law school. This reeks of an insecure hanger on at best. I really think this is bs.

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1. "bs"
2. attack the poster who was actually there and just conveyed what they experienced (insecure hanger)
3. make up a false fact that i didnt say to feel better about your position (mistreated me???)

what years were you at baylor?

you wonder why folks dont come forward with allegations. i saw minor stuff and im getting reamed here in disbelief. baylor is a small school in a small town. of the 8k undergrads and 2k post-grads (my estimate when i was there), probably 500 people were cool enough to hangout with. everyone knew everyone in that group. let me pop out my pictures singing cali love with robert t griffin, or house parties with hager and lackey from my razr phone. people who 100% weren't cool enough to ever hang with these dudes are the ones in disbelief. i was in a fraternity too and there were some ****heads, doesn't mean i disown them because i disagreed with they way they acted. it'd be a very lonely life if i disavowed every person who i didnt agree with every single thing they did, rev.

Don't worry about this scrub. I am a recent graduate and I can promise you no fraternities want football players into their parties, this dude is probably a BOR plant

Baylor had 8000 undergrads? When we're you there? 1970?

You think Baylor had 8k under grads and 2 K grad students when you went there and you went there during the Briles era? Something is fishy. That you are so way off on the size of Baylor just a few years ago raises some questions. Did you not think the Baylor people you are talking to here would not know Baylor's general ball park population from when they went there through now?

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You think Baylor had 8k under grads and 2 K grad students when you went there and you went there during the Briles era? Something is fishy. That you are pretty way off on the size of Baylor just a few years ago raises some questions.

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Yep, fuzzy math

wgeralds said:

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RightRevBear said:

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wgeralds said:

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RightRevBear said:

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wgeralds said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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LagunaBear said:

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Sorry for one more thread on Briles...BUT I wanted to present maybe a grounded perspective. I feel like everyone is in one of the two camps (either BOR is scum or Briles is scum).

My view when this thing broke ~6 years ago was:

1) Baylor did not have a comprehensive program in place to handle sexual assault claims; However,
2) There was an unusually high number of claims coming from the football program. Additionally, even though Briles had no direct knowledge of any claim (Baylor admitted that 6 years ago), he should have known what was going on with his players. And that's the only reason he was fired.

If both of those are true then I don't see how the case absolves either party of anything. It just confirms what we already thought.

• Do y'all agree with 1 and 2?

If so, then this whole thing makes a bit of sense. We can disagree, but it's reasonable.

There were LOTS of mistakes along the way. But I just have a hard time believing that there was a plot by the BOR to oust Briles in the most humiliating way possible and in doing so cause so much shame and embarrassment on themselves, the school and maybe the best coach we ever had. However, if they did, and they used Briles as a scapegoat to cover their own sins then they need to serve the punishment doled out to Briles (e.g., each one of them should never be able to work in their respective fields ever again.)

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How would you define "unusually high number of claims"?

Based on what bench mark? Have you been a college athlete? Around them closely? Any idea what happens A LOT given people that may be worth millions in 6 months etc?

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hi - i was around a few pretty closely (student from 2007 to 2011, worked in waco 2011-2012, law school starting in 2012). partied with them, had classes with them, scruffsed with them, spring breaked with them, had my walls punched in by them...lots of them truly believed they were above the law (as a lot of privileged kids who weren't football players do too i know). the things i witnessed not related to sexual assault: players yelling at professors, players taking tests outside of the classroom to the football facilities, players beat people up and when the cops got involved there were no incident reports, players selling things and again when cops got involved there were no police reports, players vandalizing houses/vehicles...again when cops got involved it was how quiet can we keep this *****

i'm not sure what the role of a head coach is and isn't, whether that was CAB's fault i have zero clue, but i do believe the above was abnormal. and who's fault it is...again no clue. but just like with your kids, if you give an inch someone will take a mile. if the inch is assault, theft, drugs, vandalism....what's the mile here?

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I call bs. Why were you hanging out and partying with these guys if they were like this?

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you're joking, right? either you're 50+ years old or never went to college. why would a 20 year old dude want to hangout and party with the big men on campus? oh jeez boomer, i dont know....gee shucks

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First, I am not a boomer, and I am under 50. Second, this says a lot about your character that you would continually hang out with the big men on campus even though they supposedly acted like this and mistreated you. Also, you hung out with undergrads while at law school. This reeks of an insecure hanger on at best. I really think this is bs.

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1. "bs"
2. attack the poster who was actually there and just conveyed what they experienced (insecure hanger)
3. make up a false fact that i didnt say to feel better about your position (mistreated me???)

what years were you at baylor?

you wonder why folks dont come forward with allegations. i saw minor stuff and im getting reamed here in disbelief. baylor is a small school in a small town. of the 8k undergrads and 2k post-grads (my estimate when i was there), probably 500 people were cool enough to hangout with. everyone knew everyone in that group. let me pop out my pictures singing cali love with robert t griffin, or house parties with hager and lackey from my razr phone. people who 100% weren't cool enough to ever hang with these dudes are the ones in disbelief. i was in a fraternity too and there were some ****heads, doesn't mean i disown them because i disagreed with they way they acted. it'd be a very lonely life if i disavowed every person who i didnt agree with every single thing they did, rev.

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I got my Baylor degree in 2007. I called you an insecure hanger on, because by your own admission you were wanting to hang with the cool kids. Most of us had given up the insecure wanting to hang out with cool kids high school attitude in college. You supposedly hung out with these guys even though they punched holes in your wall and you "hung out" with them in law school. I say it is BS. Your pictures are probably of the guy who was annoyance to them, because he wanted to be cool, not a friend.

Baylor had 10,000+ undergrads in the 90s. We were probably playing basketball in the HOT complex last time we had 8000.

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Briles would have "overseen" the program with more caution had he been instructed to do so, which he was not.

The AD was weak, the president was following his personal political agenda and the BOR was weak and/or corrupt, often both.

Briles was running his program the way the vast majority of coaches at universities in the US were running theirs. In case you haven't noticed it...lots of football players aren't choirboys. If you will take the time to do the research, and Google is your friend, you will see that universities as diverse as Stanford and Florida State, and all in between, were dealing with similar issues. The difference is in the way they handled the problem.

Art Briles is a football genius, but I don't think anyone has accused him of being a scholar. He's a football coach who dealt with problem players the same way the vast majority of coaches did...at least back then.

If he had received proper guidance, I find it hard to believe he would have just refused the guidance and instruction, none of which were forthcoming, and said "fire me". Baylor was leaderless...a ship adrift.

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How can I add more stars to this here post?

YOU GOT ME! because you have proven my 10k guess was actually 14k it is all a lie. great sleuth work by these fanboys.

i'll make sure and go back in time and tell my 23 year old self...when those 22 year old "undergrad" girls want to hang out...don't do it because rightrevbear says hanging out with seniors in college after you've graduated means i'd be an insecure hanger. absolute beta cuck energy coming from these boards.

I keep asking to hang out with 22 year old coeds as well.

My wife keeps telling me no.

Sounds to me like you delivered a lot of pizzas around the campus.

Jacques Strap said:

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Art Briles is a Unicorn. Only a Unicorn can take an awful BU program to the epic beat downs of OU including @OU. You do not fire the Unicorn as a scapegoat.

As Party Bear said… They said under oath that there was not an issue with his supervision of the program and said that was not why he was fired.

Ian said under oath he was fired as a scapegoat.

RR was a dime a dozen EVP who was responsible for implementation of Title 9.

Fire the BU President, Fire the AD, fire the EVP in charge of title 9. All of those people are a dime a dozen and easily replaced.

Again… you do not fire the Unicorn as a scapegoat.

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But that is not how Baylor works

RR was in the inner circle and friends with the right people.

Briles was this country/weirdo coach who didn't care about making friends…he only cared about football.

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2) There was an unusually high number of claims coming from the football program. Additionally, even though Briles had no direct knowledge of any claim (Baylor admitted that 6 years ago), he should have known what was going on with his players. And that's the only reason he was fired.

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90%/10%, 10 being the football team...

Ghostrider said:

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We needed another thread on this. We should rename the stadium after Briles and bring him back.

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That would be interesting

Mitch Henessey said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Mitch Henessey said:

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Realitybites said:

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Here is the singular fact - ONE person associated with the Baylor football program was credibly convicted of rape, and he never put on a Baylor uniform.

Contrast that with the Case McCoy, Jameis Winston, and myriad other allegations of sexual assault covered up by schools and the media.

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Thanks for adding the relevant objective fact to this discussion.

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It's crazy how many of our own fans forget that Tevin Elliott was convicted of raping three women. So, there were actually two convictions.

Briles didn't mishandle Elliott. He was suspended as soon as he was arrested. But the fact remains there were two convictions.

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Pretty sure he was referencing Elliot

The whole sam u thing (who never played for us) was as gray as can be with multiple reversals back and forth on appeal and some still pending

I mean the jury came in w a guilty verdict but have him like 6 months or probation … ? Then the appeals circus began, and that trial was plainly a mess.

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He would have had to have been referencing Sam Ukwuachu, because Tevin Elliott not only played for us, but was a starter at DE for a year.

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I do not believe Elliott ever put on a Baylor uniform.

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Cool, man. Believe what you want, but you're wrong.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tevin-elliott-1.html

Played in 25 games over two seasons. I personally witnessed him snap a Rice kick returner's leg on kickoff coverage in 2010.

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I did not mean "I do not believe" like Democrats do not believe the 2016 election results, just that I had thought the first guy never played; but my mistake. Thanks for correcting me.

wgeralds said:

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RightRevBear said:

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wgeralds said:

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RightRevBear said:

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wgeralds said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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LagunaBear said:

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Sorry for one more thread on Briles...BUT I wanted to present maybe a grounded perspective. I feel like everyone is in one of the two camps (either BOR is scum or Briles is scum).

My view when this thing broke ~6 years ago was:

1) Baylor did not have a comprehensive program in place to handle sexual assault claims; However,
2) There was an unusually high number of claims coming from the football program. Additionally, even though Briles had no direct knowledge of any claim (Baylor admitted that 6 years ago), he should have known what was going on with his players. And that's the only reason he was fired.

If both of those are true then I don't see how the case absolves either party of anything. It just confirms what we already thought.

• Do y'all agree with 1 and 2?

If so, then this whole thing makes a bit of sense. We can disagree, but it's reasonable.

There were LOTS of mistakes along the way. But I just have a hard time believing that there was a plot by the BOR to oust Briles in the most humiliating way possible and in doing so cause so much shame and embarrassment on themselves, the school and maybe the best coach we ever had. However, if they did, and they used Briles as a scapegoat to cover their own sins then they need to serve the punishment doled out to Briles (e.g., each one of them should never be able to work in their respective fields ever again.)

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How would you define "unusually high number of claims"?

Based on what bench mark? Have you been a college athlete? Around them closely? Any idea what happens A LOT given people that may be worth millions in 6 months etc?

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hi - i was around a few pretty closely (student from 2007 to 2011, worked in waco 2011-2012, law school starting in 2012). partied with them, had classes with them, scruffsed with them, spring breaked with them, had my walls punched in by them...lots of them truly believed they were above the law (as a lot of privileged kids who weren't football players do too i know). the things i witnessed not related to sexual assault: players yelling at professors, players taking tests outside of the classroom to the football facilities, players beat people up and when the cops got involved there were no incident reports, players selling things and again when cops got involved there were no police reports, players vandalizing houses/vehicles...again when cops got involved it was how quiet can we keep this *****

i'm not sure what the role of a head coach is and isn't, whether that was CAB's fault i have zero clue, but i do believe the above was abnormal. and who's fault it is...again no clue. but just like with your kids, if you give an inch someone will take a mile. if the inch is assault, theft, drugs, vandalism....what's the mile here?

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I call bs. Why were you hanging out and partying with these guys if they were like this?

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you're joking, right? either you're 50+ years old or never went to college. why would a 20 year old dude want to hangout and party with the big men on campus? oh jeez boomer, i dont know....gee shucks

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First, I am not a boomer, and I am under 50. Second, this says a lot about your character that you would continually hang out with the big men on campus even though they supposedly acted like this and mistreated you. Also, you hung out with undergrads while at law school. This reeks of an insecure hanger on at best. I really think this is bs.

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1. "bs"
2. attack the poster who was actually there and just conveyed what they experienced (insecure hanger)
3. make up a false fact that i didnt say to feel better about your position (mistreated me???)

what years were you at baylor?

you wonder why folks dont come forward with allegations. i saw minor stuff and im getting reamed here in disbelief. baylor is a small school in a small town. of the 8k undergrads and 2k post-grads (my estimate when i was there), probably 500 people were cool enough to hangout with. everyone knew everyone in that group. let me pop out my pictures singing cali love with robert t griffin, or house parties with hager and lackey from my razr phone. people who 100% weren't cool enough to ever hang with these dudes are the ones in disbelief. i was in a fraternity too and there were some ****heads, doesn't mean i disown them because i disagreed with they way they acted. it'd be a very lonely life if i disavowed every person who i didnt agree with every single thing they did, rev.

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Neal. Bro. You have to do some research if you're going to post a sock.

Jacques Strap said:

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Art Briles is a Unicorn. Only a Unicorn can take an awful BU program to the epic beat downs of OU including @OU. You do not fire the Unicorn as a scapegoat.

As Party Bear said… They said under oath that there was not an issue with his supervision of the program and said that was not why he was fired.

Ian said under oath he was fired as a scapegoat.

RR was a dime a dozen EVP who was responsible for implementation of Title 9.

Fire the BU President, Fire the AD, fire the EVP in charge of title 9. All of those people are a dime a dozen and easily replaced.

Again… you do not fire the Unicorn as a scapegoat.

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RR was a key player in the coverup, but he came out of the situation with very little blame.

wgeralds said:

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YOU GOT ME! because you have proven my 10k guess was actually 14k it is all a lie. great sleuth work by these fanboys.

i'll make sure and go back in time and tell my 23 year old self...when those 22 year old "undergrad" girls want to hang out...don't do it because rightrevbear says hanging out with seniors in college after you've graduated means i'd be an insecure hanger. absolute beta cuck energy coming from these boards.

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You made it sound like you all were pals now it's you just saw them some when you were hanging out with hot seniors. Now we are all betas because we aren't buying the anonymous message board poster that has inside knowledge. He knows that these guys were bad dudes because he was hanging out with them. One even put a hole in his wall.

He kept on hanging out with them because they were the big men on campus and he wanted to be cool. You know a guy who wants to hang out with the cool guys even when they mistreat people and make holes in his wall sounds like a beta to me.

Alphas have enough self-respect not to put up with that crap.

Mitch Henessey said:

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Art Briles deserved to be fired at Baylor for the inability to properly oversee the football program.

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This is where I stand. At best, CAB was completely incompetent at running a big time program. Sure, it didn't help to have a sheety BOR and admins. But you can't just say you don't know what's going on.

Personally, I'm over it. Have been for a few years now.

Again y'all are just going with past falsehoods.

Again under oath a Regent said Briles did nothing wrong. He was not fired for doing anything wrong. He was not fired for not running his program well. He violated no university policy which would include the policy of overseeing and the running of his program. He was in fact fired because he was not a fit according to Regent under oath testimjny.

PartyBear said:

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Again y'all are just going with past falsehoods.

Again under oath a Regent said Briles did nothing wrong. He was not fired for doing anything wrong. He was not fired for not running his program well. He violated no university policy which would include the policy of overseeing and the running of his program. He was in fact fired because he was not a fit according to Regent under oath testimjny.

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They just prefer 6-6 football.

Art Briles own words, texts he sent, prove he not only knew he was bringing dangerous individuals onto to campus, he was willing to cover it up. Baylor admin woefully underperformed their obligations under the law, to the students, and to parents. Briles deserved to be fired and Baylor needed to be reformed. Both are lucky their fates weren't worse. Briles walked away with millions. Baylor didn't get the death penalty.

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/2017/02/03/art-briles-text-messages-reveal-he-knew-about-baylor-scandal-that-is-getting-worse-each-day/

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In a text to one of his assistants, Briles called a female student athlete "a "fool" for reporting a football player to police because he'd brandished a gun at her.

In another text, he implied that a football player needed no discipline after reportedly exposing himself to a masseuse, insinuating that the woman might be a stripper.

In still another text, he told then athletic director Ian McCaw that Waco police would keep an incident involving a player "quiet," a development that McCaw called "great."

Confronted with a list of five players who'd reportedly gang-raped a female student athlete, Briles said, "Those are some bad dudes. Why was she around those guys?"

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Personally, it's that last text that seals it for me. Briles knew. Sexual assault is one of the worst crimes a person can experience. Wanting to win at all costs led to Briles to dismiss legitimate concerns about his players. Baylor's lack of oversight enabled that. It's shameful all around and it's shameful to try to defend.

I don't care about other programs or coaches and how they were treated. I care about Baylor. I expect more from Baylor.

It's time to move on from Briles. He's not the victim here, and he's certainly no hero.

Brenticles42 said:

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Art Briles own words, texts he sent, prove he not only knew he was bringing dangerous individuals onto to campus, he was willing to cover it up. Baylor admin woefully underperformed their obligations under the law, to the students, and to parents. Briles deserved to be fired and Baylor needed to be reformed. Both are lucky their fates weren't worse. Briles walked away with millions. Baylor didn't get the death penalty.

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/2017/02/03/art-briles-text-messages-reveal-he-knew-about-baylor-scandal-that-is-getting-worse-each-day/

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In a text to one of his assistants, Briles called a female student athlete "a "fool" for reporting a football player to police because he'd brandished a gun at her.

In another text, he implied that a football player needed no discipline after reportedly exposing himself to a masseuse, insinuating that the woman might be a stripper.

In still another text, he told then athletic director Ian McCaw that Waco police would keep an incident involving a player "quiet," a development that McCaw called "great."

Confronted with a list of five players who'd reportedly gang-raped a female student athlete, Briles said, "Those are some bad dudes. Why was she around those guys?"

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Personally, it's that last text that seals it for me. Briles knew. Sexual assault is one of the worst crimes a person can experience. Wanting to win at all costs led to Briles to dismiss legitimate concerns about his players. Baylor's lack of oversight enabled that. It's shameful all around and it's shameful to try to defend.

I don't care about other programs or coaches and how they were treated. I care about Baylor. I expect more from Baylor.

It's time to move on from Briles. He's not the victim here, and he's certainly no hero.

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The last text? Really? The least of all those texts... 1 text out of a chain and I would probably ask the same question. It doesnt mean he condoned it like you are implying - just the opposite.

The last text is a big nothing.

Duly seconded.