Brickpark said:

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He's removed reference to Baylor in his bio, so he's obviously gone.
https://x.com/armani_winfield?s=20

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shocker

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IowaBear said:

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Mack will keep Dave and will see a mass exodus like never before. And will bring in career backup scrub type person over player guys to fill voids

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Does someone from the premium board want to chime in about how he was having issues off the field and him leaving wasn't his decision? That's usually the go to cope

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I don't care what the premium board says, but it's kind of silly to act like Armani Winfield will be a major loss. He's done almost nothing in two years on campus and was still blocking on plays designed for him as recently as two weeks ago.

He may go somewhere else and have success. But he is extremely replaceable.

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Seems to be alot of those...

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Far too many. There's not a single difference-maker on this entire roster. I hope the "good" players from our 3-9 team stay. But if they leave, I'll wish them well and hope we replace them with better players.

Until we have a new staff recruiting for us, though, I really don't care what happens roster-wise. We need to address the biggest problem before we can even start discussing roster solutions.

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I think the roster is the biggest issue and is the direct result of all of the other smaller issues combined. But to your main point, I agree - it's pointless worrying about how the roster is managed until we see a change in coaching staff because no changes will come until they are gone.

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I disagree. I think this roster has been coached extremely poorly. Setting an edge and fitting gaps aren't talent issues. We haven't shown any ability to do either in 11 games. And the list of those types of basic execution issues go on and on across all phases of the game.

We need more good players. But any good player would be wasting his career joining this staff.

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Mack will keep Dave and will see a mass exodus like never before. And will bring in career backup scrub type person over player guys to fill voids

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Does someone from the premium board want to chime in about how he was having issues off the field and him leaving wasn't his decision? That's usually the go to cope

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I don't care what the premium board says, but it's kind of silly to act like Armani Winfield will be a major loss. He's done almost nothing in two years on campus and was still blocking on plays designed for him as recently as two weeks ago.

He may go somewhere else and have success. But he is extremely replaceable.

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I wonder whose job it is to get people who have talent on paper and make it show up on the field. Yeah, I'm sure he will be replaced by some hard-working walk on that the premium board pumps up as the next Jerry Rice.

When I watch Winfields high school highlights, I see a guy that has ability that is almost certainly being untapped by this coaching staff.

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IowaBear said:

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Mack will keep Dave and will see a mass exodus like never before. And will bring in career backup scrub type person over player guys to fill voids

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Does someone from the premium board want to chime in about how he was having issues off the field and him leaving wasn't his decision? That's usually the go to cope

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I don't care what the premium board says, but it's kind of silly to act like Armani Winfield will be a major loss. He's done almost nothing in two years on campus and was still blocking on plays designed for him as recently as two weeks ago.

He may go somewhere else and have success. But he is extremely replaceable.

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I wonder whose job it is to get people who have talent on paper and make it show up on the field. Yeah, I'm sure he will be replaced by some hard-working walk on that the premium board pumps up as the next Jerry Rice.

When I watch Winfields high school highlights, I see a guy that has ability that is almost certainly being untapped by this coaching staff.

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I don't know of anyone here who is still advocating for keeping Aranda, so your first paragraph is a moot point.

And like I said Armani might be good at his next stop. But I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over losing him.

If I had to pick just one favorite thing about this thread it's this -

He's had 8 receptions spread across 6 games in 2 years and he's a 4 Star WR and half of y'all are complaining that he isn't a good enough blocker.

Is he a worse blocker than Xavier Worthy?
Or Jayce Brown? Asking for a friend.

Better talent on the bench than on the field.
And we're going to start Josh Cameron and Kenton Johnson next year. That'll be awesome.

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If I had to pick just one favorite thing about this thread it's this -

He's had 8 receptions spread across 6 games in 2 years and he's a 4 Star WR and half of y'all are complaining that he isn't a good enough blocker.

Is he a worse blocker than Xavier Worthy?
Or Jayce Brown? Asking for a friend.

Better talent on the bench than on the field.
And we're going to start Josh Cameron and Kenton Johnson next year. That'll be awesome.

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You got it. This staff is too interested in finding pieces that fit their systems - both Grimes and Aranda - than using the talent to win games. We have 2 coaches more interested in being gurus than winning.

I get the impression that both Aranda and Grimes would be happy doing camps and conferences teaching their systems and talking about it rather than running something else that could win some games based on the talent they got.

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If I had to pick just one favorite thing about this thread it's this -

He's had 8 receptions spread across 6 games in 2 years and he's a 4 Star WR and half of y'all are complaining that he isn't a good enough blocker.

Is he a worse blocker than Xavier Worthy?
Or Jayce Brown? Asking for a friend.

Better talent on the bench than on the field.
And we're going to start Josh Cameron and Kenton Johnson next year. That'll be awesome.

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It's coping. There is literally no good way to spin the fact that your highest rated recruit of your entire coaching tenure "just isn't that good I guess" or whatever people want to believe. Heard the same thing about other players that have gone on to look decent at P5 schools. Not going to make me lose sleep because I'm already apathetic, but it's another indictment of Aranda

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Never give a scholarship to anyone named Armani!

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My momma's name is Armani. I bet she could be a pulling guard for us. Her pass blocking is suspect because of her edema.

Keep her name out your mouth!

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Are you Barkevious Mingo?

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There's not a single difference-maker on this entire roster. I hope the "good" players from our 3-9 team stay. But if they leave, I'll wish them well and hope we replace coaches with better coaches.

Until we have a new staff recruiting for us, though, I really don't care what happens roster-wise. We need to address the biggest problem before we can even start discussing roster solutions.

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There, I FIFY.

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Killing Floor said:

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If I had to pick just one favorite thing about this thread it's this -

He's had 8 receptions spread across 6 games in 2 years and he's a 4 Star WR and half of y'all are complaining that he isn't a good enough blocker.

Is he a worse blocker than Xavier Worthy?
Or Jayce Brown? Asking for a friend.

Better talent on the bench than on the field.
And we're going to start Josh Cameron and Kenton Johnson next year. That'll be awesome.

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It's coping. There is literally no good way to spin the fact that your highest rated recruit of your entire coaching tenure "just isn't that good I guess" or whatever people want to believe. Heard the same thing about other players that have gone on to look decent at P5 schools. Not going to make me lose sleep because I'm already apathetic, but it's another indictment of Aranda

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Good recruits flop all the time. Literally every year. It happened under Briles with some frequency.

Included in our top-10 recruits of all time are 1. Robbie Rhodes, 4. Davion Hall, 6. Javonte Magee, 9. Blake Lynch and 10. Darius Jones. None (save maybe Lynch as a senior under a new staff at a new position) were impact players for Baylor or anyone else.

I don't buy the argument of "yeah, Dave isn't a good coach, he doesn't have a good eye for talent, he can't develop talent….but I completely trust that the highly rated four-star wide receiver riding the bench has been fully evaluated, and I am completely at peace with the idea that said player's usefulness for our scheme and any future head coach's scheme at Baylor has been accurately deemed to be "not a big loss"


Sorry, I don't buy that for a second. I wouldn't trust Dave to run my madden franchise on the Nintendo

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I don't buy the argument of "yeah, Dave isn't a good coach, he doesn't have a good eye for talent, he can't develop talent….but I completely trust that the highly rated four-star wide receiver riding the bench has been fully evaluated, and I am completely at peace with the idea that said player's usefulness for our scheme and any future head coach's scheme at Baylor has been accurately deemed to be "not a big loss"


Sorry, I don't buy that for a second. I wouldn't trust Dave to run my madden franchise on the Nintendo

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Talent flashes. Armani has done nothing in the opportunities he's gotten to prove he should be on the field ahead of the two outside receivers ahead of him -- both of which have produced at a much higher level.

I don't give a **** about recruiting stars. They're meaningless once a guy gets to college. At that point, it's about executing in your role and producing. Winfield hasn't come close to earning the level of confidence or indignation some on this thread have on his account.

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Thee University said:

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Never give a scholarship to anyone named Armani!

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My momma's name is Armani. I bet she could be a pulling guard for us. Her pass blocking is suspect because of her edema.

Keep her name out your mouth!

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Are you Barkevious Mingo?

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Donkey Teeth, Boise State University

It'll be a roster like no other

Well, maybe one like Steele had.

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Mack will keep Dave and will see a mass exodus like never before. And will bring in career backup scrub type person over player guys to fill voids

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Does someone from the premium board want to chime in about how he was having issues off the field and him leaving wasn't his decision? That's usually the go to cope

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You seriously want an opinion from a Pollyanna?

8 receptions in 2 seasons. Is that the "opportunities" you are referring to? Seems like he made 100 yards with those opportunities. That's 100 yards we struggle to earn.

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Maybe we will hit the portal and get all of the pipe-swinging, gang-banging, law-breaking white country boys no other teams dare take a chance on.

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We ain't tcu yet! They win. Well mostly wnough to sometimes make a bowl and go .500 but that's like 8 levels above baylor

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The premium board is full of sheep…. The Sic'em 365 staff could tell the premium members to go jump off a bridge and they would. I don't take anything Grayson, the Smoaks, Brian etc say or write seriously because they refuse to take the green&gold blinders off

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Yeah it's really funny. Imagine if they lost access to Baylor for daring to ask the obvious questions and then still expect fans to show up And "support the team"

Disgusting

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Craig is fair. The old man not so much. Grayson, Catalina and the others are Dave cheerleaders

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None of the hosts are big fans or BU alums.

Craig is an OU fan. David is a Nebraska fan. Paul is an FSU/A&M fan. His wife is an obnoxious KU fan that was a hair away from being ejected at the BU/KU hoops game last year for trying to fight with an older BU couple.

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Lmao. None of that is shocking but never heard it before

Only at Baylor

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Never give a scholarship to anyone named Armani!

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My momma's name is Armani. I bet she could be a pulling guard for us. Her pass blocking is suspect because of her edema.

Keep her name out your mouth!

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Thx. Laughed my ass off at this

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Iirc Winfield was a 4 star recruit and he enrolled 2022 which means he was recruited 2019-2020. Or possibly earlier.
Was it really Aranda he came for? And be honest, a 4 star receiver and you red shirt then play him 3(?) games next year?

We're exactly 3 months away from reading why he wasn't a fit and 10 months away from watching him hang 150 yards and 3 touchdowns on us.

And it also fully tracks with all my other comments about better quality players on the bench than on the field.

It speaks to Aranda's inability to evaluate talent.

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Our staff can't even evaluate the guys they are running they practice obviously.

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Art would've gotten lots of mileage out of him.

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But Art's main goal was winning. That is not the goal here. This is a nuetering. We are watching Baylor move to being a BB school.

I have NO knowledge, but what it looks like is that it is cheaper to fund M and W BB at the highest level and easier to control 50 athletes than 200. We will keep running a team out there, but there is no serious attempt to win. The press conferences, the AD just mulling around, etc... It looks to me like Rhodes marching orders since Rhule left is to de-fang the Football team and reduce risk. 2021 is a fluke, no one expected it and even Rhodes and the Coaches were shocked. We struggled with Tx St to open that year.

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Yep. Plain as day to see

Business decision. The fact they lied repeatedly to the fan base is what's so disgusting.

Oh well. If fans haven't figured it out now that's on them

We now BUNT baylor university of northish Texas

Like a company, have to be careful who's on your bord if you're a shareholder

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8 receptions in 2 seasons. Is that the "opportunities" you are referring to? Seems like he made 100 yards with those opportunities. That's 100 yards we struggle to earn.

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Ketron Jackson was out for two-plus games with a concussion. Winfield did nothing in his stead. He ran poor routes, dropped passes, whiffed on blocks when he was supposed to be a blocker, blocked when he was supposed to be a target and caught like three passes.

That's not a Baylor problem. That's an Armani Winfield problem.

Both Ketron Jackson and Josh Cameron have been better players than Winfield this season. It is what it is.

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He's removed reference to Baylor in his bio, so he's obviously gone.
https://x.com/armani_winfield?s=20

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In reality this kid wouldn't do well with any staff. Talk about underwhelming player

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Brickpark said:

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He's removed reference to Baylor in his bio, so he's obviously gone.
https://x.com/armani_winfield?s=20

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In reality this kid wouldn't do well with any staff. Talk about underwhelming player

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Yeah, it's the player. We have so much evidence supporting the stellar player development and retention it has to be the 4star recruit is really a bust.

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Brickpark said:

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He's removed reference to Baylor in his bio, so he's obviously gone.
https://x.com/armani_winfield?s=20

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In reality this kid wouldn't do well with any staff. Talk about underwhelming player

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Yeah, it's the player. We have so much evidence supporting the stellar player development and retention it has to be the 4star recruit is really a bust.

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You know the 2 are not mutually exclusive. Dave can suck and so can Armani. I've watched him. He probably has more drops than catches. He doesn't block and runs ****ty routes. Not all 4 and 5 star players pan out. Maybe he gets better at his next stop or maybe he is what he is and underwhelming there as well. This team is a long ways from being successful so I'm not going to lose sleep over a player that couldn't beat a transfer and a walk-on for a starting spot or even consistent play in th rotation

Agree. 8 catch plays in 6 games in 2 years is more than enough to know a 4 star player isn't as good as our world class receivers.

I trust Aranda to be a good judge of talent.

He'll run right through us next year I bet.

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No chance.
100 times more likely to be inundated with FCS players. All those LIU boys would kill to play in our facilities. That's the talent tier we'll see coming in.

A student athlete has to declare intent to transfer. Then the coach can contact them. Then if there is an offer the student has to accept within the given time. Given the quality of coaching we have to offer it's difficult for me to believe we're going to pull in any upgrades in talent. We're going to end up filling our roster with wishful kids who are dreaming of playing D1.

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We are basically last chance U but for straight edge kids.

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Brickpark said:

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He's removed reference to Baylor in his bio, so he's obviously gone.
https://x.com/armani_winfield?s=20

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In reality this kid wouldn't do well with any staff. Talk about underwhelming player

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Yeah, it's the player. We have so much evidence supporting the stellar player development and retention it has to be the 4star recruit is really a bust.

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You know the 2 are not mutually exclusive. Dave can suck and so can Armani. I've watched him. He probably has more drops than catches. He doesn't block and runs ****ty routes. Not all 4 and 5 star players pan out. Maybe he gets better at his next stop or maybe he is what he is and underwhelming there as well. This team is a long ways from being successful so I'm not going to lose sleep over a player that couldn't beat a transfer and a walk-on for a starting spot or even consistent play in th rotation

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You know, there has not been one player that left that we should leave sleep over. They all suck, yet they end up starting for other teams, some going bowling and others having good seasons in tougher leagues. Yet, they all suck.

We have gone from Big 12 Champs to losing to Texas St and getting embarrassed every week in non-competitive games with those that stayed that were better than the guys that left. Shapen is better than Drones. Drones salvaged Va Tech's season and has them going to a Bowl Game if they beat a bad UVA team.

I got destroyed by SoCalBear and his Youth Buddies on the Premium Board for saying Drones looked good during the Pitt game. He looked pretty good vs WVU and OSU in a Baylor uniform but according to those that know, he sucks. How many others? The big RB, was trouble, better losing a 235 pound back that can move the pile. He smoked grass, 80% of the NCAA smokes pot! The CB for Ark stole Headphones, good riddance.

So, based on what I have seen, I would take the 4-star rating with offers from UT and Bama over what the "experts" on this Board say any day. They don't know a football from a Watermelon based on their analysis, including some that played.

So do we get excited about 4 stae recruits being touted on the front page? According to many here, it doesn't matter if the kid is a 4 star. So, why should we get excited? It means nothing and if he doesn't work out or leaves, he isn't worth losing sleep over.

I am so confused. I guess I need some former player or those that know to tell me whether it is good or not...

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ImwithBU said:

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Brickpark said:

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He's removed reference to Baylor in his bio, so he's obviously gone.
https://x.com/armani_winfield?s=20

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In reality this kid wouldn't do well with any staff. Talk about underwhelming player

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Yeah, it's the player. We have so much evidence supporting the stellar player development and retention it has to be the 4star recruit is really a bust.

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You know the 2 are not mutually exclusive. Dave can suck and so can Armani. I've watched him. He probably has more drops than catches. He doesn't block and runs ****ty routes. Not all 4 and 5 star players pan out. Maybe he gets better at his next stop or maybe he is what he is and underwhelming there as well. This team is a long ways from being successful so I'm not going to lose sleep over a player that couldn't beat a transfer and a walk-on for a starting spot or even consistent play in th rotation

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You know, there has not been one player that left that we should leave sleep over. They all suck, yet they end up starting for other teams, some going bowling and others having good seasons in tougher leagues. Yet, they all suck.

We have gone from Big 12 Champs to losing to Texas St and getting embarrassed every week in non-competitive games with those that stayed that were better than the guys that left. Shapen is better than Drones. Drones salvaged Va Tech's season and has them going to a Bowl Game if they beat a bad UVA team.

I got destroyed by SoCalBear and his Youth Buddies on the Premium Board for saying Drones looked good during the Pitt game. He looked pretty good vs WVU and OSU in a Baylor uniform but according to those that know, he sucks. How many others? The big RB, was trouble, better losing a 235 pound back that can move the pile. He smoked grass, 80% of the NCAA smokes pot! The CB for Ark stole Headphones, good riddance.

So, based on what I have seen, I would take the 4-star rating with offers from UT and Bama over what the "experts" on this Board say any day. They don't know a football from a Watermelon based on their analysis, including some that played.

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I knew they where full of it when I see Walcott and Johnson lighting it up in the SEC hell even Josh fleeks is scoring TDs for Nebraska

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FLBear5630 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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Brickpark said:

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He's removed reference to Baylor in his bio, so he's obviously gone.
https://x.com/armani_winfield?s=20

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In reality this kid wouldn't do well with any staff. Talk about underwhelming player

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Yeah, it's the player. We have so much evidence supporting the stellar player development and retention it has to be the 4star recruit is really a bust.

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You know the 2 are not mutually exclusive. Dave can suck and so can Armani. I've watched him. He probably has more drops than catches. He doesn't block and runs ****ty routes. Not all 4 and 5 star players pan out. Maybe he gets better at his next stop or maybe he is what he is and underwhelming there as well. This team is a long ways from being successful so I'm not going to lose sleep over a player that couldn't beat a transfer and a walk-on for a starting spot or even consistent play in th rotation

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You know, there has not been one player that left that we should leave sleep over. They all suck, yet they end up starting for other teams, some going bowling and others having good seasons in tougher leagues. Yet, they all suck.

We have gone from Big 12 Champs to losing to Texas St and getting embarrassed every week in non-competitive games with those that stayed that were better than the guys that left. Shapen is better than Drones. Drones salvaged Va Tech's season and has them going to a Bowl Game if they beat a bad UVA team.

I got destroyed by SoCalBear and his Youth Buddies on the Premium Board for saying Drones looked good during the Pitt game. He looked pretty good vs WVU and OSU in a Baylor uniform but according to those that know, he sucks. How many others? The big RB, was trouble, better losing a 235 pound back that can move the pile. He smoked grass, 80% of the NCAA smokes pot! The CB for Ark stole Headphones, good riddance.

So, based on what I have seen, I would take the 4-star rating with offers from UT and Bama over what the "experts" on this Board say any day. They don't know a football from a Watermelon based on their analysis, including some that played.

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I knew they where full of it when I see Walcott and Johnson lighting it up in the SEC hell even Josh fleeks is scoring TDs for Nebraska

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If you know anything about me I've long said Drones should have been playing over Shapen. I felt we ****ed up when we let Bohanon go. And I've even been crazy to suggest that Baylor is letting all the black QBs walk because our OC has a thing for Shapen. I even mentioned that losing the DBs as well as our defensive coach over some hurt feeling and stuff that could be handled in house was stupid. All this turnover does not help the team, but let's stop the cap with the every transfer is a success bull*****

Josh Fleeks played under Rhule both here and at Nebraska. Mediocre here at best. He went to Nebraska and managed 7 catches for 44 yards. He did have 128 yards rushing on 15 carries but 74 of that was on one play. He was subpar here and was subpar there. Even the Matt Rhule couldn't get the full benefit from that 4* recruit from a Texas powerhouse program.

No one wants to see a bunch of transfers but I'm not going to worry about guys that have gotten opportunities that failed to prove the belong. (which was not the case for the QBs)

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Brickpark said:

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He's removed reference to Baylor in his bio, so he's obviously gone.
https://x.com/armani_winfield?s=20

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In reality this kid wouldn't do well with any staff. Talk about underwhelming player

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Yeah, it's the player. We have so much evidence supporting the stellar player development and retention it has to be the 4star recruit is really a bust.

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You know the 2 are not mutually exclusive. Dave can suck and so can Armani. I've watched him. He probably has more drops than catches. He doesn't block and runs ****ty routes. Not all 4 and 5 star players pan out. Maybe he gets better at his next stop or maybe he is what he is and underwhelming there as well. This team is a long ways from being successful so I'm not going to lose sleep over a player that couldn't beat a transfer and a walk-on for a starting spot or even consistent play in th rotation

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You know, there has not been one player that left that we should leave sleep over. They all suck, yet they end up starting for other teams, some going bowling and others having good seasons in tougher leagues. Yet, they all suck.

We have gone from Big 12 Champs to losing to Texas St and getting embarrassed every week in non-competitive games with those that stayed that were better than the guys that left. Shapen is better than Drones. Drones salvaged Va Tech's season and has them going to a Bowl Game if they beat a bad UVA team.

I got destroyed by SoCalBear and his Youth Buddies on the Premium Board for saying Drones looked good during the Pitt game. He looked pretty good vs WVU and OSU in a Baylor uniform but according to those that know, he sucks. How many others? The big RB, was trouble, better losing a 235 pound back that can move the pile. He smoked grass, 80% of the NCAA smokes pot! The CB for Ark stole Headphones, good riddance.

So, based on what I have seen, I would take the 4-star rating with offers from UT and Bama over what the "experts" on this Board say any day. They don't know a football from a Watermelon based on their analysis, including some that played.

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I knew they where full of it when I see Walcott and Johnson lighting it up in the SEC hell even Josh fleeks is scoring TDs for Nebraska

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Neither of those guys is "lighting it up." They're both mediocre starters for a 4-7 team.

The only player we lost who is actually lighting it up is Devin Neal for a top-10 Louisville team. He's had a really good year.

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FLBear5630 said:

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ImwithBU said:

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Brickpark said:

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He's removed reference to Baylor in his bio, so he's obviously gone.
https://x.com/armani_winfield?s=20

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In reality this kid wouldn't do well with any staff. Talk about underwhelming player

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Yeah, it's the player. We have so much evidence supporting the stellar player development and retention it has to be the 4star recruit is really a bust.

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You know the 2 are not mutually exclusive. Dave can suck and so can Armani. I've watched him. He probably has more drops than catches. He doesn't block and runs ****ty routes. Not all 4 and 5 star players pan out. Maybe he gets better at his next stop or maybe he is what he is and underwhelming there as well. This team is a long ways from being successful so I'm not going to lose sleep over a player that couldn't beat a transfer and a walk-on for a starting spot or even consistent play in th rotation

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You know, there has not been one player that left that we should leave sleep over. They all suck, yet they end up starting for other teams, some going bowling and others having good seasons in tougher leagues. Yet, they all suck.

We have gone from Big 12 Champs to losing to Texas St and getting embarrassed every week in non-competitive games with those that stayed that were better than the guys that left. Shapen is better than Drones. Drones salvaged Va Tech's season and has them going to a Bowl Game if they beat a bad UVA team.

I got destroyed by SoCalBear and his Youth Buddies on the Premium Board for saying Drones looked good during the Pitt game. He looked pretty good vs WVU and OSU in a Baylor uniform but according to those that know, he sucks. How many others? The big RB, was trouble, better losing a 235 pound back that can move the pile. He smoked grass, 80% of the NCAA smokes pot! The CB for Ark stole Headphones, good riddance.

So, based on what I have seen, I would take the 4-star rating with offers from UT and Bama over what the "experts" on this Board say any day. They don't know a football from a Watermelon based on their analysis, including some that played.

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I knew they where full of it when I see Walcott and Johnson lighting it up in the SEC hell even Josh fleeks is scoring TDs for Nebraska

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Neither of those guys is "lighting it up." They're both mediocre starters for a 4-7 team.

The only player we lost who is actually lighting it up is Devin Neal for a top-10 Louisville team. He's had a really good year.

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Have you looked in the mirror? You really ae saying that starting for teams with more wins, even if just 1, is no loss. We need every legit starter we can get

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Brickpark said:

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He's removed reference to Baylor in his bio, so he's obviously gone.
https://x.com/armani_winfield?s=20

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In reality this kid wouldn't do well with any staff. Talk about underwhelming player

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Yeah, it's the player. We have so much evidence supporting the stellar player development and retention it has to be the 4star recruit is really a bust.

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You know the 2 are not mutually exclusive. Dave can suck and so can Armani. I've watched him. He probably has more drops than catches. He doesn't block and runs ****ty routes. Not all 4 and 5 star players pan out. Maybe he gets better at his next stop or maybe he is what he is and underwhelming there as well. This team is a long ways from being successful so I'm not going to lose sleep over a player that couldn't beat a transfer and a walk-on for a starting spot or even consistent play in th rotation

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You know, there has not been one player that left that we should leave sleep over. They all suck, yet they end up starting for other teams, some going bowling and others having good seasons in tougher leagues. Yet, they all suck.

We have gone from Big 12 Champs to losing to Texas St and getting embarrassed every week in non-competitive games with those that stayed that were better than the guys that left. Shapen is better than Drones. Drones salvaged Va Tech's season and has them going to a Bowl Game if they beat a bad UVA team.

I got destroyed by SoCalBear and his Youth Buddies on the Premium Board for saying Drones looked good during the Pitt game. He looked pretty good vs WVU and OSU in a Baylor uniform but according to those that know, he sucks. How many others? The big RB, was trouble, better losing a 235 pound back that can move the pile. He smoked grass, 80% of the NCAA smokes pot! The CB for Ark stole Headphones, good riddance.

So, based on what I have seen, I would take the 4-star rating with offers from UT and Bama over what the "experts" on this Board say any day. They don't know a football from a Watermelon based on their analysis, including some that played.

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I knew they where full of it when I see Walcott and Johnson lighting it up in the SEC hell even Josh fleeks is scoring TDs for Nebraska

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Neither of those guys is "lighting it up." They're both mediocre starters for a 4-7 team.

The only player we lost who is actually lighting it up is Devin Neal for a top-10 Louisville team. He's had a really good year.

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Have you looked in the mirror? You really ae saying that starting for teams with more wins, even if just 1, is no loss. We need every legit starter we can get

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Johnson and Walcott wouldn't have added a single win to this team's total. All of our current corners are better than Johnson, who got himself kicked off the team, making this a moot point anyway. And Walcott might have made us marginally better, but he wasn't very good in the star role last season.

Devin Neal is the only good player we lost from the defense.

Transfers are a fact of life in modern college football. Everyone loses players to other programs. I'm not going to cry over losing and handful of mid players to other bad teams.

To get where we want to be, we need to elevate our talent level beyond all of these guys.