In baseball, when a relief pitcher comes into the game with runners on base, those runners are technically not his responsibility. If they score, it doesn't count against his ERA.

No analogy is perfect, but this one fits with Baylor. Matt Rhule inherited a mess -- a program racked with scandal that saw nearly the entire 2016 and 2017 classes look for greener pastures. For fans to think to that a good pep talk and less than a year of practices with raw talent would bring quick results is naive.

I think a lot of us hoped that the success of the past few years would somehow give us some wins this year that in reality are not going to happen. The team had to hit the reset button. We're an expansion team with a few veterans and ton of newbies -- talented but inexperienced. And injuries haven't helped the situation much either.

Don't give up. Not yet. If this team isn't competing at a high level in two years, then I'll be right there questioning the Rhule process. But now? No.

There will be no Big 12 Championship this year. No bowl game. Maybe not even a single win. But this isn't a headfirst dive back into the Kevin Steele days. It's retooling. It's the Houston Astros of 2013. The future looks bright.

Take a breath, go for a walk, cheer on your team, and look forward to 2019. It could always be worse. You could be an Aggie fan.

So losing to and FCS team and giving 2 teams their first FBS victory is ok? Really? At home? This team won a bowl game in December. With all due respect, that is a crock of unmitigated BS. We have several games coming up in which we will be lucky to score. We will not be competitive in ANY games this year.

Rhule took a football team full of true weapons and lost to an FCS team with an unimpressive record. I struggle to understand how anyone can have faith in the man who allowed Solomon to take the field drive after drive last night.

clayc34 said:

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In baseball, when a relief pitcher comes into the game with runners on base, those runners are technically not his responsibility. If they score, it doesn't count against his ERA.

No analogy is perfect, but this one fits with Baylor. Matt Rhule inherited a mess -- a program racked with scandal that saw nearly the entire 2016 and 2017 classes look for greener pastures. For fans to think to that a good pep talk and less than a year of practices with raw talent would bring quick results is naive.

I think a lot of us hoped that the success of the past few years would somehow give us some wins this year that in reality are not going to happen. The team had to hit the reset button. We're an expansion team with a few veterans and ton of newbies -- talented but inexperienced. And injuries haven't helped the situation much either.

Don't give up. Not yet. If this team isn't competing at a high level in two years, then I'll be right there questioning the Rhule process. But now? No.

There will be no Big 12 Championship this year. No bowl game. Maybe not even a single win. But this isn't a headfirst dive back into the Kevin Steele days. It's retooling. It's the Houston Astros of 2013. The future looks bright.

Take a breath, go for a walk, cheer on your team, and look forward to 2019. It could always be worse. You could be an Aggie fan.

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You serious Clark?

Mate, if we don't win a single game isn't it by definition WORSE than a typical Steele year, or even his worst one?

clayc34 said:

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In baseball, when a relief pitcher comes into the game with runners on base, those runners are technically not his responsibility. If they score, it doesn't count against his ERA.

No analogy is perfect, but this one fits with Baylor. Matt Rhule inherited a mess -- a program racked with scandal that saw nearly the entire 2016 and 2017 classes look for greener pastures. For fans to think to that a good pep talk and less than a year of practices with raw talent would bring quick results is naive.

I think a lot of us hoped that the success of the past few years would somehow give us some wins this year that in reality are not going to happen. The team had to hit the reset button. We're an expansion team with a few veterans and ton of newbies -- talented but inexperienced. And injuries haven't helped the situation much either.

Don't give up. Not yet. If this team isn't competing at a high level in two years, then I'll be right there questioning the Rhule process. But now? No.

There will be no Big 12 Championship this year. No bowl game. Maybe not even a single win. But this isn't a headfirst dive back into the Kevin Steele days. It's retooling. It's the Houston Astros of 2013. The future looks bright.

Take a breath, go for a walk, cheer on your team, and look forward to 2019. It could always be worse. You could be an Aggie fan.

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Cocaine is a helluva drug.

He gets paid $333k a game and runs oklahoma drills in pregame warm ups.

LIBERTY

Take a moment to compare the roster in the bowl game with the roster that played that last two weeks. Not the same team.

Please list the "true weapons" on the roster that you expect would have delivered victories under a different coach. What coach would that be?

BE. He is worse than Steele.

I could understand if he came in and tried to run a spread. It would take a year but we would be better suited
Instead he forced his offense on an roster of players recruited for a spread. It's not working. His offense will never work at Baylor. He won't be able to recruit. He will lose games. He won't be able to recruit. It's a cycle.

You used a baseball analogy. How about this. If you inherited a very popular money making restaurant would you throw out all the pizza equipment and staff and start serving fish? You should learn to cook pizza asap.

Who is Clark? And yes, I am serious. The alternative is to foolishly jump ship after two games. You simply can't let your emotions get the best of you. Maybe with some more health, we win those two games and a couple of conference games. But rebuilding takes time and patience.

I never thought of it that way. Rhule kind of reminds me of Nick Saban when you put it that way.

We would have won against Liberty if we started Zach Smith. And the defense didn't do nearly as bad as Week 1 in the first quarter last night while Solomon was repeatedly ****ting the bed.

We have receivers that can break free for a connection from Smith.

clayc34 said:

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Who is Clark? And yes, I am serious. The alternative is to foolishly jump ship after two games. You simply can't let your emotions get the best of you. Maybe with some more health, we win those two games and a couple of conference games. But rebuilding takes time and patience.

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Liberty and UTsa
Patience??
Okay

clayc34 said:

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No analogy is perfect, but this one fits with Baylor. Matt Rhule inherited a mess -- a program racked with scandal that saw nearly the entire 2016 and 2017 classes look for greener pastures. For fans to think to that a good pep talk and less than a year of practices with raw talent would bring quick results is naive.

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This is disingenuous at best. This wasn't Scott Drew taking over a program that had next to no discernable talent left. Rhule's team actually has some very good players, especially on offense. To look dead against vastly inferior competition (Liberty) at home is inexcusable. Rhule was outcoached by Turner freaking Gill and there is no debating that. The talent disparity between those two teams is monumental.

Then, they come off that loss and look ill-prepared, unfocused and ambivalent against UTSA. How? UTSA might be a high-end CUSA team, but the talent gap is still considerable and the offensive play calling and the general offensive philosophy is concerning at the least.

These aren't losses to Big 12 opponents. These aren't losses to team with better or similar talent. These are home losses to teams with inferior talent by any conceivable measurement.

clayc34 said:

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In baseball, when a relief pitcher comes into the game with runners on base, those runners are technically not his responsibility. If they score, it doesn't count against his ERA.

No analogy is perfect, but this one fits with Baylor. Matt Rhule inherited a mess -- a program racked with scandal that saw nearly the entire 2016 and 2017 classes look for greener pastures. For fans to think to that a good pep talk and less than a year of practices with raw talent would bring quick results is naive.

I think a lot of us hoped that the success of the past few years would somehow give us some wins this year that in reality are not going to happen. The team had to hit the reset button. We're an expansion team with a few veterans and ton of newbies -- talented but inexperienced. And injuries haven't helped the situation much either.

Don't give up. Not yet. If this team isn't competing at a high level in two years, then I'll be right there questioning the Rhule process. But now? No.

There will be no Big 12 Championship this year. No bowl game. Maybe not even a single win. But this isn't a headfirst dive back into the Kevin Steele days. It's retooling. It's the Houston Astros of 2013. The future looks bright.

Take a breath, go for a walk, cheer on your team, and look forward to 2019. It could always be worse. You could be an Aggie fan.

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Thanks for the well thought-out post, Mrs. Rhule. Shouldn't you be putting the children to. bed?

List the players you refer to when you say that Rhule inherited some really good players on offense. Go.

clayc34 said:

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List the players you refer to when you say that Rhule inherited some really good players on offense. Go.

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Not all offense mind you but, Feuerbacher, Smith, Galitz, Tecklenburg, Hasty, Hall, Sticklin, Platt, Waz...

And I'm sure plenty new guys like Lovett would really shine with some competent staff as well.

clayc34 said:

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Who is Clark? And yes, I am serious. The alternative is to foolishly jump ship after two games. You simply can't let your emotions get the best of you. Maybe with some more health, we win those two games and a couple of conference games. But rebuilding takes time and patience.

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Wonderful. Go win the Big 12 with a couple of TEs, a sophomore QB who is unproven, an unproven and injured RB... Yeah. Blame Rhule. That makes sense.

clayc34 said:

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Wonderful. Go win the Big 12 with a couple of TEs, a sophomore QB who is unproven, an unproven and injured RB... Yeah. Blame Rhule. That makes sense.

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You didn't actually want a listing of good players, you just wanted to shoehorn the idea that Rhule deserves any sort of leniency for losing not only to UTSA but a garbage FCS team.

Go watch some film from last season and tell me that you'd keep starting Solomon.

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Not all offense mind you but, Feuerbacher, Smith, Galitz, Tecklenburg, Hasty, Hall, Sticklin, Platt, Waz...

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This pretty much proves his point. There's 6 offensive players listed here. Two are hurt. and one had to change positions because the OL was so then.. So Smith, Platt, and Stricklin. That's about it in terms of guys who are left from last year and healthy.

I only blame Rhule for the unprofessional and unprepared show I have seen for 2 weeks. After 9 months, in the 2nd game we take 2 timeouts because we cannot get the proper personnel on the field. In the second half we took a delay penalty coming in a dead ball on the first play of a series. We ran 2 running plays in non short yardage situations down by 10 with 4 mins left. We blitzed CBs while covering trips left. We continue to play Anu Solomon but don't let him play to his strength with zone reads. We ran a pass play with one receiver in the pattern. We did not run a single screen of any kind nor have a TE involved in any play last night. We run Oklahoma drills in pregame. We have a little tykes basketball goal on the sideline. This coach said Liberty might run some spread but didn't really know. I can go on and on. Defend some of that.
Hell some people thought Kevin Steele would be good and a player nearly choked him out on the field.

But look at the recruiting quality of our roster versus that of Liberty.

Whether or not Rhule inherited a strong offense is irrelevant, it doesn't make it acceptable to give him a pass for losing with an unequivocally more athletic and talented team.

I got more. We are playing Lynch at CB and he has never played the position at any level. If you are going to get beat at that position anyway what diff does it make who is there. Let Lynch play on O where he has a proven track record.

clayc34 said:

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List the players you refer to when you say that Rhule inherited some really good players on offense. Go.

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Zach Smith - Still benched most of the game.
T. Williams - injured in Rhule's "get tough" practices.(shoulder injury, spring practice)
Dom DeSouza - quit football after Rhule got here
Josh Pelzel - injured and quit last month

There's a few.

Not talking about winning ththe Big XII. Just want a chance to be competitive. But you keep trusting the process.

clayc34 said:

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Wonderful. Go win the Big 12 with a couple of TEs, a sophomore QB who is unproven, an unproven and injured RB... Yeah. Blame Rhule. That makes sense.

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Lol, no one asked or expected him to win a big 12 championship, you dolt. But beat Liberty and UTSA? Absolutely.

Still waiting on the defense of what I posted Clayc34.

To some extent you are right. Until you get into a real game situation, you never know what you have.

As I see it, however, there are some obvious problems with the coaching that have nothing to do with the players. There is a glaring problem with conditioning. How can that be? There appears to be little in game adjustment on both sides of the ball. Why? With Solomon doing nothing last night, why not try Zach Smith? Could he be any worse?

There seems to be a real lack of leadership and direction from Coach Rhule.

Baylor Convert said:

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To some extent you are right. Until you get into a real game situation, you never know what you have.

As I see it, however, there are some obvious problems with the coaching that have nothing to do with the players. There is a glaring problem with conditioning. How can that be? There appears to be little in game adjustment on both sides of the ball. Why? With Solomon doing nothing last night, why not try Zach Smith? Could he be any worse?

There seems to be a real lack of leadership and direction from Coach Rhule.

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A couple of good questions there that should be answered. TD also makes many good points. This staff has everyone scratching our heads and asking questions, but aren't providing any answers. None of us were expecting a championship run this year, and we all knew that we would drop some games that we should've won....that's what happens during a coaching transition. What we didn't expect was a staff that seems to not be able to recognize and exploit our opponents weaknesses, seems to not recognize what is working on any given day (which changes every game even if you play the same team constantly), seems to not have the team prepared mentally on game day and on top of all of that seems unwilling to make any adjustments to the game plan or personnel to find an edge.

So far in both games we have, apparently by accident, found a tiny spark on offense that could have given us an edge but the staff didn't realize it. That, or they ignored it. I truly hope that they are seeing what works and are just holding back until conference play, but I'm pretty sure I'm wrong.

Someone should remind CMR that pride is one of the 7 deadly sins. Or, maybe that is the lesson he is trying to teach us. I'm so confused right now......

BenchSolomon said:

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Rhule took a football team full of true weapons and lost to an FCS team with an unimpressive record. I struggle to understand how anyone can have faith in the man who allowed Solomon to take the field drive after drive last night.

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Dude, we've sucked since mid season last year.

We had better talent last year and Art's scheme and still lost six of our last seven, many in embarrassing blowout fashion.

Now we have less talent than last year and are starting over in many ways.

We have a lot of injuries and a lot of inexperience and a new system and frankly just aren't very good this year.

But we've lost 8 of the last 9, the bowl against a weak opponent giving a brief illusion of a comeback to lofty expectations.

We haven't won at home in almost a calendar year or beaten a P5 in the same amount of time.

Now's the time to be patient, because this tailspin isn't new.