Jim Grobe was hardly a coach, he was just there to stand on the sideline.

Of course we lost the last half of the season, the team crumbled to injury and a coaching staff that wasn't really a coaching staff. This is not the time to be patient, this is the opposite - Rhule is incompatible with the Big XII.

We are going to be really, really bad this season. Just remember that the people in charge are good at their jobs and we can totally trust them. Just don't ask for specifics on why.

clayc34 said:

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List the players you refer to when you say that Rhule inherited some really good players on offense. Go.

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Here's 3 for example:
Platt
Mims
Smith

Those receivers were brought in to match with Smith's throwing ability and not with the weak arm that Anus has.

I don't put diesel in my Porsche just because I want it to be a 3/4 ton Ford truck. I put high octane gas in it or else I ruin the whole car.

Here's 3 for example:
Platt
Mims
Smith

Lynch - playing defense
Blackmar
Porter
Wilson
Tecklenburg

Williams - injured
Hasty - Injured
Feuerbacher
Stricklin

enough to hang 70 on Liberty in 3 quarters with the right coach.

BenchSolomon said:

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Jim Grobe was hardly a coach, he was just there to stand on the sideline.

Of course we lost the last half of the season, the team crumbled to injury and a coaching staff that wasn't really a coaching staff. This is not the time to be patient, this is the opposite - Rhule is incompatible with the Big XII.

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Or perhaps we lost the last half of the season because that't what the BOR intended with their releases.

clayc34 said:

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Who is Clark? And yes, I am serious.

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You aren't this stupid.

Forest Bueller said:

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clayc34 said:

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Who is Clark? And yes, I am serious.

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You aren't this stupid.

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Don't sell him short. He may well be.

57Bear said:

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BenchSolomon said:

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Jim Grobe was hardly a coach, he was just there to stand on the sideline.

Of course we lost the last half of the season, the team crumbled to injury and a coaching staff that wasn't really a coaching staff. This is not the time to be patient, this is the opposite - Rhule is incompatible with the Big XII.

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Or perhaps we lost the last half of the season because that't what the BOR intended with their releases.

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And then we leaked the 17/19/4 allegations to the Wall Street Journal on the eve of the Texas game!

TDSteele said:

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Still waiting on the defense of what I posted Clayc34.

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Not sure what you want me to comment on. I never said that there aren't questions or that Rhule and his staff are infallible. I was at the game. I sat frustrated at the mistakes too. I wondered why Zach Smith didn't come into the came when Anu was clearly off. You have some valid concerns and questions that I agree with.

The point of my post isn't to defend Rhule as Jesus. It is to simply remind us all that it's simply too early to hit the panic button. Losing sucks, but we have a greener roster than we we realized.

Give it some time. See what happens for a year or two before you jump off the Suspension Bridge.

Just relax, TDSteele. The sun will come up tomorrow.

clayc34 said:

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TDSteele said:

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Still waiting on the defense of what I posted Clayc34.

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Not sure what you want me to comment on. I never said that there aren't questions or that Rhule and his staff are infallible. I was at the game. I sat frustrated at the mistakes too. I wondered why Zach Smith didn't come into the came when Anu was clearly off. You have some valid concerns and questions that I agree with.

The point of my post isn't to defend Rhule as Jesus. It is to simply remind us all that it's simply too early to hit the panic button. Losing sucks, but we have a greener roster than we we realized.

Give it some time. See what happens for a year or two before you jump off the Suspension Bridge.

Just relax, TDSteele. The sun will come up tomorrow.

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The problem with this line of thinking is that Rhule has been here long enough, and has the roster, to beat Liberty and UTSA.

I do not think any rational person here expected 10 wins and a big 12 title this year or even the next. I thought 6 wins was optimistic, but possible given our non-conference schedule.

Roster is thin, but that is, at least in part, to the coaching and practice methodology put in place by this coaching staff. The roster is also no where near so thin that we should lose the two games we just lost.

My biggest issue is that things completely independent of personnel are the most glaringly obvious issues after two games.

We are out of shape, out of position, still committing penalties. No noticeable adjustments have been made throughout games.

YoakDaddy said:

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clayc34 said:

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List the players you refer to when you say that Rhule inherited some really good players on offense. Go.

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Here's 3 for example:
Platt
Mims
Smith

Those receivers were brought in to match with Smith's throwing ability and not with the weak arm that Anus has.

I don't put diesel in my Porsche just because I want it to be a 3/4 ton Ford truck. I put high octane gas in it or else I ruin the whole car.

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Interesting. I watched the games the last two weeks. Solomon had no problem getting the ball to Platt and Mims against Liberty. Against UTSA, his accuracy was the issue. He overthrew WRs several times. His decision making was off too. Had nothing to do with his arm.

That said, it is perfectly fair to suggest that Smith would be the better choice at starter. I'm leaning that way myself. But my post wasn't a QB debate. It was about how we have a greener roster than we realized which means more losses than we wanted. Your list of Platt, Mims and Smith supports my argument.

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Forest Bueller said:

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clayc34 said:

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Who is Clark? And yes, I am serious.

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You aren't this stupid.

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Don't sell him short. He may well be.

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He is if he's asking who returned on Offense.

BenchSolomon said:

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Rhule took a football team full of true weapons and lost to an FCS team with an unimpressive record. I struggle to understand how anyone can have faith in the man who allowed Solomon to take the field drive after drive last night.

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I agree with your point. I do not know what to think of Soloman. The offensive play calling was so bad and the pass plays were so simplistic that I could not tell if the team problem was the players or the game plan.

I want to believe, OP. I really do.

I sincerely hope for all our sakes 2019 is full of winning and crow dinners all around.

Rhule's new campaign slogan: 2019! A crow in every pot!

clayc34 said:

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YoakDaddy said:

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clayc34 said:

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List the players you refer to when you say that Rhule inherited some really good players on offense. Go.

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Here's 3 for example:
Platt
Mims
Smith

Those receivers were brought in to match with Smith's throwing ability and not with the weak arm that Anus has.

I don't put diesel in my Porsche just because I want it to be a 3/4 ton Ford truck. I put high octane gas in it or else I ruin the whole car.

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Interesting. I watched the games the last two weeks. Solomon had no problem getting the ball to Platt and Mims against Liberty. Against UTSA, his accuracy was the issue. He overthrew WRs several times. His decision making was off too. Had nothing to do with his arm.

That said, it is perfectly fair to suggest that Smith would be the better choice at starter. I'm leaning that way myself. But my post wasn't a QB debate. It was about how we have a greener roster than we realized which means more losses than we wanted. Your list of Platt, Mims and Smith supports my argument.

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You asked if CMR inherited players on Offense and I gave you 3 without looking up or noting others. Anus had lots of problems getting the ball to those WRs in both games. Not only has his timing been off, but the ball velocity had little strength behind it and the arc on the long passes was set up such that the only reason our receivers caught them was because their Ds are FCS and minor D1 talent. Those kinds of passes will be picked clean by Big 12 defenses. You really are dense. Good coaches understand that offenses need to be designed for the players they have. We will go 0-12 this season with a ground and pound offense via Joe Paterno because we are not built for it. A gradual shift is needed; not a wholesale switch.

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clayc34 said:

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Wonderful. Go win the Big 12 with a couple of TEs, a sophomore QB who is unproven, an unproven and injured RB... Yeah. Blame Rhule. That makes sense.

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Lol, no one asked or expected him to win a big 12 championship, you dolt. But beat Liberty and UTSA? Absolutely.

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Well, in all fairness, OldSchoolBU expects him to win the Big 12. This year. Still.
Once again...
You serious Clark?

Beaneater said:

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BearInBigD said:

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clayc34 said:

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Wonderful. Go win the Big 12 with a couple of TEs, a sophomore QB who is unproven, an unproven and injured RB... Yeah. Blame Rhule. That makes sense.

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Lol, no one asked or expected him to win a big 12 championship, you dolt. But beat Liberty and UTSA? Absolutely.

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Well, in all fairness, OldSchoolBU expects him to win the Big 12. This year. Still.
Once again...
You serious Clark?

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303Bear said:

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My biggest issue is that things completely independent of personnel are the most glaringly obvious issues after two games.

We are out of shape, out of position, still committing penalties. No noticeable adjustments have been made throughout games.

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This troubles me too.

clayc34 said:

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Wonderful. Go win the Big 12 with a couple of TEs, a sophomore QB who is unproven, an unproven and injured RB... Yeah. Blame Rhule. That makes sense.

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Straw man alert! No one said anything about winning the Big 12, scarecrow. We are more concerned with beating FCS and Conference USA opponents.

Try to keep up.

Mothra said:

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clayc34 said:

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Wonderful. Go win the Big 12 with a couple of TEs, a sophomore QB who is unproven, an unproven and injured RB... Yeah. Blame Rhule. That makes sense.

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Straw man alert! No one said anything about winning the Big 12, scarecrow. We are more concerned with beating FCS and Conference USA opponents.

Try to keep up.

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And that "sophomore QB who is unproven" already has experience against B12 defenses and won a bowl game. OP is ignorant troll.

clayc34 said:

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In baseball, when a relief pitcher comes into the game with runners on base, those runners are technically not his responsibility. If they score, it doesn't count against his ERA.

No analogy is perfect, but this one fits with Baylor. Matt Rhule inherited a mess -- a program racked with scandal that saw nearly the entire 2016 and 2017 classes look for greener pastures. For fans to think to that a good pep talk and less than a year of practices with raw talent would bring quick results is naive.

I think a lot of us hoped that the success of the past few years would somehow give us some wins this year that in reality are not going to happen. The team had to hit the reset button. We're an expansion team with a few veterans and ton of newbies -- talented but inexperienced. And injuries haven't helped the situation much either.

Don't give up. Not yet. If this team isn't competing at a high level in two years, then I'll be right there questioning the Rhule process. But now? No.

There will be no Big 12 Championship this year. No bowl game. Maybe not even a single win. But this isn't a headfirst dive back into the Kevin Steele days. It's retooling. It's the Houston Astros of 2013. The future looks bright.

Take a breath, go for a walk, cheer on your team, and look forward to 2019. It could always be worse. You could be an Aggie fan.

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I am so surprised Baylor fans buy this line of b,s. - that the talent in the program is abysmal and the program is so wrecked losing to the likes of Liberty and UTSA makes sense. It's a load of crap.

I think Rhule needs two years, albeit with major changes to his coaching staff, but the idea we are a decimated program from a talent standpoint is a load of crap.

MilliVanilli said:

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BenchSolomon said:

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Rhule took a football team full of true weapons and lost to an FCS team with an unimpressive record. I struggle to understand how anyone can have faith in the man who allowed Solomon to take the field drive after drive last night.

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Dude, we've sucked since mid season last year.

We had better talent last year and Art's scheme and still lost six of our last seven, many in embarrassing blowout fashion.

Now we have less talent than last year and are starting over in many ways.

We have a lot of injuries and a lot of inexperience and a new system and frankly just aren't very good this year.

But we've lost 8 of the last 9, the bowl against a weak opponent giving a brief illusion of a comeback to lofty expectations.

We haven't won at home in almost a calendar year or beaten a P5 in the same amount of time.

Now's the time to be patient, because this tailspin isn't new.

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We had a coaching staff that mailed it in. The players were completely unmotivated, and the staff did nothing to help with that. Hell, when Art Briles' son remained on the staff, after the way the Brileses feel they were treated, you're not getting the best out of your coaches, and as a result, players. We also had our starting QB get injured, and started a true freshman in his place. The losses in that event were to be expected. We didn't play any mediocre teams the rest of the season.

Recall we ended the season with a win against Boise State in a bowl. We should have been able to build on that success. But thus far, the coaches haven't been able to motivate or coach these players to wins against very winnable opponents. That is a big problem.

clayc34 said:

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TDSteele said:

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Still waiting on the defense of what I posted Clayc34.

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Not sure what you want me to comment on. I never said that there aren't questions or that Rhule and his staff are infallible. I was at the game. I sat frustrated at the mistakes too. I wondered why Zach Smith didn't come into the came when Anu was clearly off. You have some valid concerns and questions that I agree with.

The point of my post isn't to defend Rhule as Jesus. It is to simply remind us all that it's simply too early to hit the panic button. Losing sucks, but we have a greener roster than we we realized.

Give it some time. See what happens for a year or two before you jump off the Suspension Bridge.

Just relax, TDSteele. The sun will come up tomorrow.

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The reason people are hitting the panic button is because this team hasn't looked this unprepared since the Steele era, and there seems to be no plan in place from an offensive standpoint. I knew after 2 games that Steele was going to be a huge bust, and all of the warning signs are in place for Rhule as well. We don't need two years of terrible football to know that Rhule was the wrong hire.

Mothra said:

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I am so surprised Baylor fans buy this line of b,s. - that the talent in the program is abysmal and the program is so wrecked losing to the likes of Liberty and UTSA makes sense. It's a load of crap.

I think Rhule needs two years, albeit with major changes to his coaching staff, but the idea we are a decimated program from a talent standpoint is a load of crap.

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Perhaps we are a decimated program from a coaching talent standpoint.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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BE. He is worse than Steele.

I could understand if he came in and tried to run a spread. It would take a year but we would be better suited
Instead he forced his offense on an roster of players recruited for a spread. It's not working. His offense will never work at Baylor. He won't be able to recruit. He will lose games. He won't be able to recruit. It's a cycle.

You used a baseball analogy. How about this. If you inherited a very popular money making restaurant would you throw out all the pizza equipment and staff and start serving fish? You should learn to cook pizza asap.

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Seinfeld fans will get this;

Mothra said:

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clayc34 said:

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TDSteele said:

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Still waiting on the defense of what I posted Clayc34.

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Not sure what you want me to comment on. I never said that there aren't questions or that Rhule and his staff are infallible. I was at the game. I sat frustrated at the mistakes too. I wondered why Zach Smith didn't come into the came when Anu was clearly off. You have some valid concerns and questions that I agree with.

The point of my post isn't to defend Rhule as Jesus. It is to simply remind us all that it's simply too early to hit the panic button. Losing sucks, but we have a greener roster than we we realized.

Give it some time. See what happens for a year or two before you jump off the Suspension Bridge.

Just relax, TDSteele. The sun will come up tomorrow.

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The reason people are hitting the panic button is because this team hasn't looked this unprepared since the Steele era, and there seems to be no plan in place from an offensive standpoint. I knew after 2 games that Steele was going to be a huge bust, and all of the warning signs are in place for Rhule as well. We don't need two years of terrible football to know that Rhule was the wrong hire.

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Good point.

I still love Coach Rhule, but the first two performances are extremely disconcerting.

You'll be hard-pressed to find any precedent where a coach's team started out this bad and the coach ever was able to be successful.

We have to hope that we are the exception with the Rhule.

Yogi said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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BE. He is worse than Steele.

I could understand if he came in and tried to run a spread. It would take a year but we would be better suited
Instead he forced his offense on an roster of players recruited for a spread. It's not working. His offense will never work at Baylor. He won't be able to recruit. He will lose games. He won't be able to recruit. It's a cycle.

You used a baseball analogy. How about this. If you inherited a very popular money making restaurant would you throw out all the pizza equipment and staff and start serving fish? You should learn to cook pizza asap.

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Seinfeld fans will get this;

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Babu!!!

"He's a bad man. He's a VERY bad man"

clayc34 said:

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Wonderful. Go win the Big 12 with a couple of TEs, a sophomore QB who is unproven, an unproven and injured RB... Yeah. Blame Rhule. That makes sense.

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I blame Rhule for not making small adjustments from week 1 to week 2. I blame Rhule for putting a little tykes basketball goal on a Div I P5 sideline. I blame Rhule for returning an 0-5 QB to a game in lieu of keeping the 1-1 QB in. I blame Rhule for the defense getting worse at halftime. I blame Rhule for STUPID decisions that only rec league coaches make. Yeah, I blame Rhule for losing.

For the first time in my lifetime, I am not able to defend Baylor Football. I defended them through the dark ages of the Roberts, Steele, and Morriss years. The incompetence I have witnessed so far has pushed me over the ledge.

Mothra said:

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MilliVanilli said:

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BenchSolomon said:

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Rhule took a football team full of true weapons and lost to an FCS team with an unimpressive record. I struggle to understand how anyone can have faith in the man who allowed Solomon to take the field drive after drive last night.

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Dude, we've sucked since mid season last year.

We had better talent last year and Art's scheme and still lost six of our last seven, many in embarrassing blowout fashion.

Now we have less talent than last year and are starting over in many ways.

We have a lot of injuries and a lot of inexperience and a new system and frankly just aren't very good this year.

But we've lost 8 of the last 9, the bowl against a weak opponent giving a brief illusion of a comeback to lofty expectations.

We haven't won at home in almost a calendar year or beaten a P5 in the same amount of time.

Now's the time to be patient, because this tailspin isn't new.

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We had a coaching staff that mailed it in. The players were completely unmotivated, and the staff did nothing to help with that. Hell, when Art Briles' son remained on the staff, after the way the Brileses feel they were treated, you're not getting the best out of your coaches, and as a result, players. We also had our starting QB get injured, and started a true freshman in his place. The losses in that event were to be expected. We didn't play any mediocre teams the rest of the season.

Recall we ended the season with a win against Boise State in a bowl. We should have been able to build on that success. But thus far, the coaches haven't been able to motivate or coach these players to wins against very winnable opponents. That is a big problem.

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Boise win was mirage we used to feel like we were back on track against a MWC opponent, now we are less talented, in transition and beat up and even less up to the task of taking on the conference until at least next season.

I underestimated how ravaged the depth really was by injury and attrition and no jucos and a depleted 2016 class.