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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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At what point did you realize that Steele Roberts Morris were not going to win?

Did you ever realize it?

All three were better than what we have now.

Facts.

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Those aren't facts. They're opinions. And ones that are rooted more in emotion than anything else.

And to answer your question:

-- I realized Roberts was a loser when he trashed his players at every opportunity.
-- I realized Steele was a loser when I saw how quickly his players quit on him.
-- I realized Morriss wouldn't win when it became clear his staff couldn't/wouldn't recruit at the level necessary to do so.

None of those are problems with Matt Rhule, despite the disastrous start his Baylor tenure has gotten off to. We're at the low-point of what his time at Baylor will bring, and he's already shown more as a leader and recruiter than any of those coaches you mentioned did at their heights. In time, as our young players mature and grow more familiar with what this staff is trying to do schematically, we'll see the on-field coaching that made him a success at Temple, and the wins will follow.

When they do, I look forward to seeing the back-tracking and "yeah, buts" we'll see from all the quitters on this site who bailed at the first sign of adversity.

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0-7 is a fact.

0-7 is hardly the first sign of adversity. Sorta more like a trend.

D. C. Bear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Keep grinding. Keep chopping wood. Where have I heard that?

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Process.
Where have I heard that before?

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Don't think we can get Springer, Correa, or Altuve to play for Baylor

Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Keep grinding. Keep chopping wood. Where have I heard that?

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Process.
Where have I heard that before?

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Don't think we can get Springer, Correa, or Altuve to play for Baylor

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We should find out if Aaron Judge has any football eligibility left. He's free right now, and the man is a beast (hurts to say since he is a Yankee, but respect where it is due).

So, following last night, I feel better that we should beat Kansas. So we end the year 1-11 and Rhule has his first Big 12 win.

"Rebuilding year" and "start of something new" will be the narrative.

Next year, 3-9 or 4-8, and the narrative will be "on the right track" or "look how far we have come"

Year after we might go 5-7 and the narrative will be "on the cusp" and wash, rinse, repeat.

Our 7-8 win seasons will henceforth be celebrated as massive successes and we will be back where we "belong"

He still gets my vote.

CorsicanaBear said:

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0-7 is hardly the first sign of adversity. Sorta more like a trend.

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What was it Jersey Boy said...
"Losing breeds Toughness, Toughness breeds Winners" or some $*** like that.

Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Keep grinding. Keep chopping wood. Where have I heard that?

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Process.
Where have I heard that before?

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Don't think we can get Springer, Correa, or Altuve to play for Baylor

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Yes, but we do have Smith, Brewer, Ebner, Hand, Lynch, Mims, and any number of others.

A time is coming when talent and experience will meet opportunity and the wins will come.

303Bear said:

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So, following last night, I feel better that we should beat Kansas. So we end the year 1-11 and Rhule has his first Big 12 win.

"Rebuilding year" and "start of something new" will be the narrative.

Next year, 3-9 or 4-8, and the narrative will be "on the right track" or "look how far we have come"

Year after we might go 5-7 and the narrative will be "on the cusp" and wash, rinse, repeat.

Our 7-8 win seasons will henceforth be celebrated as massive successes and we will be back where we "belong"

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Remember the excitement of getting to a bowl game in 2010? Some of us celebrated that as a massive success, and it was. It was not the end and it would take a couple more years and some staff changes before we would see seasons where "Baylor" and "championship" would be spoken in the same sentence without "not" or "never" being included.

D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Keep grinding. Keep chopping wood. Where have I heard that?

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Process.
Where have I heard that before?

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Don't think we can get Springer, Correa, or Altuve to play for Baylor

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Yes, but we do have Smith, Brewer, Ebner, Hand, Lynch, Mims, and any number of others.

A time is coming when talent and experience will meet opportunity and the wins will come.

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Yes, but how many?

I agree that Rhule is making progress, but he's also responsible for some really stupid mistakes, and he's not owning up to those.

Building a championship team will be worth the wait. Building a 6-win or 7-win team sometime in the future is nowhere near acceptable.

Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Keep grinding. Keep chopping wood. Where have I heard that?

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Process.
Where have I heard that before?

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Don't think we can get Springer, Correa, or Altuve to play for Baylor

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Yes, but we do have Smith, Brewer, Ebner, Hand, Lynch, Mims, and any number of others.

A time is coming when talent and experience will meet opportunity and the wins will come.

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Yes, but how many?

I agree that Rhule is making progress, but he's also responsible for some really stupid mistakes, and he's not owning up to those.

Building a championship team will be worth the wait. Building a 6-win or 7-win team sometime in the future is nowhere near acceptable.

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Many wins.

D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Keep grinding. Keep chopping wood. Where have I heard that?

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Process.
Where have I heard that before?

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Don't think we can get Springer, Correa, or Altuve to play for Baylor

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Yes, but we do have Smith, Brewer, Ebner, Hand, Lynch, Mims, and any number of others.

A time is coming when talent and experience will meet opportunity and the wins will come.

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Yes, but how many?

I agree that Rhule is making progress, but he's also responsible for some really stupid mistakes, and he's not owning up to those.

Building a championship team will be worth the wait. Building a 6-win or 7-win team sometime in the future is nowhere near acceptable.

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Many wins.

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In how long? 0 and 7 so far with several games we should have won this season, no admission by Rhule of his role in several really bad decisions. There are certainly reasons to believe in this team and the coaches, but ignoring personal mistakes is a blueprint for repeating them.

Miami, USC and SMU are examples of programs which were once successful but which drifted into the wilderness. Rhule may be able to lead the Bears back to championships, but so far without even a single win, all he has so far is promises, no proof.

He is right now because as bad as Steele was, he never went 0-12.

BUGWBBear said:

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He is right now because as bad as Steele was, he never went 0-12.

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It's 4:26 pm, Mountain Daylight Time and he still gets my vote.

Rhule is Kevin Steele, the Second.

Can I get an Amen, brethren?

I found Steele to be likeable and felt bad about the whole situation. CMR makes it really hard to like him.

Been to B.U. games since early 50's. He has turned 600 yards of exciting offense into dull ball. But no fear as we still have the bor. He certainly is the highest paid poorest Coach and staff we have had.If Coach Morris had the assets Coach Briles gave us we would have won most of the 2017 games. Don't think we have looked this bad since the late 60's. We hear a lot about Coach speak but it doesn't begin the compair with bor speach. Coach should turn the reins over to the 3 who recruited our last class as the guys running the program are lost and have produced an embarrassing and disorganized team. We are headed back to watching on TV or from George's tent. What a sad situation our leadership has led us into.

Coach Steele was completely out of his water from the start.

Watching other Big 12 teams changing into Briles offensive while none want anything to do with our new offense. This can be played at our new staff' feet.

Watching other Big 12 teams changing into Briles offensive while none want anything to do with our new offense. This can be played at our new staff' feet.

BUGWBBear said:

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He is right now because as bad as Steele was, he never went 0-12.

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Neither has Matt Rhule.

timetraveler said:

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I found Steele to be likeable and felt bad about the whole situation. CMR makes it really hard to like him.

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He doesn't like to be reminded his plans don't - so far - work out in real success on the field.

Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Keep grinding. Keep chopping wood. Where have I heard that?

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Process.
Where have I heard that before?

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Don't think we can get Springer, Correa, or Altuve to play for Baylor

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Yes, but we do have Smith, Brewer, Ebner, Hand, Lynch, Mims, and any number of others.

A time is coming when talent and experience will meet opportunity and the wins will come.

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Yes, but how many?

I agree that Rhule is making progress, but he's also responsible for some really stupid mistakes, and he's not owning up to those.

Building a championship team will be worth the wait. Building a 6-win or 7-win team sometime in the future is nowhere near acceptable.

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Many wins.

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In how long? 0 and 7 so far with several games we should have won this season, no admission by Rhule of his role in several really bad decisions. There are certainly reasons to believe in this team and the coaches, but ignoring personal mistakes is a blueprint for repeating them.

Miami, USC and SMU are examples of programs which were once successful but which drifted into the wilderness. Rhule may be able to lead the Bears back to championships, but so far without even a single win, all he has so far is promises, no proof.

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When Rhule said after the Liberty game that the loss was on the coaching, why do you think that wasn't an admission of his role? After all, he is a coach.

timetraveler said:

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I'm asking because I'm only 34 years old. He's certainly the worst in my lifetime. I mean no disrespect to coaches that fought in the World Wars though.

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To answer your question being quite late to the inquiry..........absolutely....... Not!

oorahpa said:

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Coach Steele was completely out of his water from the start.

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Yep. Matt Rhule has coached in as many competitive Big 12 games in his first four conference dates that Kevin Steele did in four years. And all he has to do is beat Kansas in two weeks to match Steele in conference wins.

That's a really lazy comparison.

Kevin Steele had never been so much as a coordinator when he was hired by Baylor. Matt Rhule was a successful coach at a place that's very difficult to succeed. He has a track record Steele never had, and unlike Steele, his team's play hard for four quarters and are typically in games into their later stages.

He hasn't won yet, and that will absolutely have to change. But there's far more reason for optimism with Rhule than there ever was with Steele, who was a disaster from Day 1.

I'm pretty sure losing to Liberty on day one qualifies as a disaster.

I don't know who BrutalBear is but he is a Fing IDIOT. I wish you knew something about Baylor Football before the DEVIL CAB was there. We will be back.

D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Keep grinding. Keep chopping wood. Where have I heard that?

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Process.
Where have I heard that before?

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Don't think we can get Springer, Correa, or Altuve to play for Baylor

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Yes, but we do have Smith, Brewer, Ebner, Hand, Lynch, Mims, and any number of others.

A time is coming when talent and experience will meet opportunity and the wins will come.

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Yes, but how many?

I agree that Rhule is making progress, but he's also responsible for some really stupid mistakes, and he's not owning up to those.

Building a championship team will be worth the wait. Building a 6-win or 7-win team sometime in the future is nowhere near acceptable.

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Many wins.

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In how long? 0 and 7 so far with several games we should have won this season, no admission by Rhule of his role in several really bad decisions. There are certainly reasons to believe in this team and the coaches, but ignoring personal mistakes is a blueprint for repeating them.

Miami, USC and SMU are examples of programs which were once successful but which drifted into the wilderness. Rhule may be able to lead the Bears back to championships, but so far without even a single win, all he has so far is promises, no proof.

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When Rhule said after the Liberty game that the loss was on the coaching, why do you think that wasn't an admission of his role? After all, he is a coach.

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"It's on me" is easy coach-speak. He never went into specifics on what he would do to make sure it was not repeated against UTSA, and we know how that game played out.

Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Keep grinding. Keep chopping wood. Where have I heard that?

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Process.
Where have I heard that before?

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Don't think we can get Springer, Correa, or Altuve to play for Baylor

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Yes, but we do have Smith, Brewer, Ebner, Hand, Lynch, Mims, and any number of others.

A time is coming when talent and experience will meet opportunity and the wins will come.

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Yes, but how many?

I agree that Rhule is making progress, but he's also responsible for some really stupid mistakes, and he's not owning up to those.

Building a championship team will be worth the wait. Building a 6-win or 7-win team sometime in the future is nowhere near acceptable.

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Many wins.

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In how long? 0 and 7 so far with several games we should have won this season, no admission by Rhule of his role in several really bad decisions. There are certainly reasons to believe in this team and the coaches, but ignoring personal mistakes is a blueprint for repeating them.

Miami, USC and SMU are examples of programs which were once successful but which drifted into the wilderness. Rhule may be able to lead the Bears back to championships, but so far without even a single win, all he has so far is promises, no proof.

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When Rhule said after the Liberty game that the loss was on the coaching, why do you think that wasn't an admission of his role? After all, he is a coach.

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"It's on me" is easy coach-speak. He never went into specifics on what he would do to make sure it was not repeated against UTSA, and we know how that game played out.

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I don't know that I'd want my coach going in to a whole bunch of details of exactly what they believe they should have done differently.

Ccramer said:

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I don't know who BrutalBear is but he is a Fing IDIOT. I wish you knew something about Baylor Football before the DEVIL CAB was there. We will be back.

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Lol, you mad bro?

You can spin it any way you want, and our record is still 0-7.

I know no other coach in Baylor's history who has a zero winning percentage. That is worse than Bill Beall counting the last 60 years, and we know how satisfying that was to sit through those three years.

0-7. The record speaks for itself.

bear2be2 said:

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But there's far more reason for optimism with Rhule than there ever was with Steele, who was a disaster from Day 1.

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Steele's first 2 games were way ahead of Rhule's first 2 games. And one of them was a close loss to UNLV, in infamous fashion. But Steele played two bowl teams tight in his first two games. Rhule lost to Fallwell and UT San Antonio campus.

303Bear said:

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So, following last night, I feel better that we should beat Kansas. So we end the year 1-11 and Rhule has his first Big 12 win.

"Rebuilding year" and "start of something new" will be the narrative.

Next year, 3-9 or 4-8, and the narrative will be "on the right track" or "look how far we have come"

Year after we might go 5-7 and the narrative will be "on the cusp" and wash, rinse, repeat.

Our 7-8 win seasons will henceforth be celebrated as massive successes and we will be back where we "belong"

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If I had to make a call right now, this is where I'd land.

All aboard?