Have y'all seen the pics of the coaches wearing "we pay players" shirts?

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aledocrow said:

Daveisabovereproach said:

You could make the argument that it's unethical not to pay someone when they bring in millions of dollars for your institution. Yeah yeah, I've heard the 'they get paid with free tuition' etc. argument. I get it, but times have changed. Also, being a Christian isn't really about being ethical, but I digress


One could also make the argument that a school could, has, and will continue to make millions whether that player is on the team, or plays someplace else. A school's name brand is much much bigger than a given player's name brand.

Players are being paid large amounts of money so that their teams can win football games and championships. It is not at all about how much money the school makes. The schools that win the most are the ones that are willing to pay the most - pretty much like it has always been, but out in the open.

Only a few players make it to the pros (2-3%??). The rest are paid very little NIL money. For those players, getting an education as part of the deal is a really good thing. I hope players are able to get lots of money playing for their schools. But only up to the point where all athletes still have the opportunity to get an education. I fear that that opportunity is being lost through the portal and NIL.


I apologize, I read what you posted, but I'm not following your train of thought

What I'm saying is pretty plain. A P5 school makes millions from their football team. The football team consist of players. Players consist of people. People want to be paid. further, many of the players on our team are from vastly different financial backgrounds than the average Baylor student, and many of them kind of do need money to send home to their families. As to the ethics of paying players - I understand that ethics do change based on culture, time, and place. That's what sets them apart from morals, which are dictated by God. Thus, I do think it's ethical to pay a player when that player contributes to your institution making millions. At least I don't see an issue with the paradigm of paying a player.

Also, I don't see how paying a player(s) is preventing any athlete from getting a good education through their scholarship and all the resources that the university gives to athletes. If you want to argue that the money is distracting, that's fine, but I saw plenty of students when I was at Baylor that were clearly distracted by their parent's money.
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Bear8084 said:

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Not sure most of the football world gives a hoot about a 3-9 team from last year with a coach on the hot seat. We ain't bulletin board material these days, outside of a few forums. If Dion had worn such a shirt the whole college football world would be talking about it.


Quite a bit of the college football world is talking about it, soooooooo......Looks like a good move.
it blew up all over college sports yesterday. It's great publicity for the program.
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Kind of reminds of some of the swag we haven't had since May of 16.

Since the money goes to NIL. Baylor should have a "we pay players" out game this season.
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PartyBear said:

Kind of reminds of some of the swag we haven't had since May of 16.

Since the money goes to NIL. Baylor should have a "we pay players" out game this season.


Pretty much. We still have a big hole to climb out of and get in the right direction, but the vibe this offseason is different than the last few offseasons.
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PartyBear said:

Kind of reminds of some of the swag we haven't had since May of 16.

Since the money goes to NIL. Baylor should have a "we pay players" out game this season.
perfect shirt to wear if your section is green for the stripe out vs byu
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Miss that swag. Those feisty dust ups at mid field during warm ups. Good times!
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Only way to compete with the big boys. This is the best off-season we've had surprisingly after a bad season.
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1. I hope some of this player pay was used judiciously on transfers, because those 2025 4 stars aren't going to win us any games this fall.
2. Think it was well played by Air Force, but most schools won't have that high moral ground. Lot more afraid of a taunt after games along the lines of "you pay players? Well, it isn't working"
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T-REX said:

241Bear said:

Yes, we pay players. Time will tell if we can coach them to a bowl.
We have already done that twice in the last 4 seasons so clearly we can


Yes. A huge Sugar Bowl win and a disastrous performance against a service academy. Given how poorly coached we were last year, I'm skeptical about this year. I hope I'm proven wrong and the strong off-season we've had translates into wins.
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Texas didn't get good again until they started legally paying players. Why shouldn't we?
historian
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Capitalism 101
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boognish_bear said:



Says the school financed by taxpayer dollars.
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Some social media posts in response:

https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2024/08/03/look-social-media-roasts-baylor-over-we-pay-players-shirts/

I suspect these are mostly from opposing fans. Naturally we have no reason to care what they think.
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historian said:

Some social media posts in response:

https://notthebee.com/article/defense-secretary-lloyd-austin-revokes-plea-deal-offered-to-911-masterminds

I suspect these are mostly from opposing fans. Naturally we have no reason to care what they think.


I think maybe you linked the wrong article
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Yes I did. Original corrected. Here is the correct link again:

https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2024/08/03/look-social-media-roasts-baylor-over-we-pay-players-shirts/
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Volume of such will pick up if the Tarleton St game is a close score/tight game. Lordy, behlur can't get out of it's on way.
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historian said:

Yes I did. Original corrected. Here is the correct link again:

https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2024/08/03/look-social-media-roasts-baylor-over-we-pay-players-shirts/
I'll take sports center and multiple other major sports news outlets positively sharing the story over idiots on social media trying to attack it because their programs are poor
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BBWCBear said:

Volume of such will pick up if the Tarleton St game is a close score/tight game. Lordy, behlur can't get out of it's on way.
How many shirts have you bought and where are your seats for said game?
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ZachTay said:

boognish_bear said:


This post actually captures the ENTIRETY of the sad and coming embarrassment this ignorant t-shirt move has created.

When Baylor ends sub-500 again this season they will be roasted and be the laughing stock for social media scorn with this ignoramus t-shirt move. And trust me, it most likely will happen by the opposing team with every loss. Expect it.....

Sports 101: NEVER provide unnecessary bulletin board material to the other teams, and especially the public social media warriors.

Thanks coaching staff.....and @BUFootball. Baylor Football continues its run of a calamity of errors.

Sic'em

If youre scared just say that. Baylor is paying players and guess what the rest of the college world is as well. Good for Air Force deciding not to play players. They also dont tend to get a bunch of 4 and 5* recruits either
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T-REX said:

PartyBear said:

Kind of reminds of some of the swag we haven't had since May of 16.

Since the money goes to NIL. Baylor should have a "we pay players" out game this season.
perfect shirt to wear if your section is green for the stripe out vs byu

BYU game is a "Gold Out"
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BBWCBear
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T-REX said:

BBWCBear said:

Volume of such will pick up if the Tarleton St game is a close score/tight game. Lordy, behlur can't get out of it's on way.
How many shirts have you bought and where are your seats for said game?


Well, honestly, after three years of being a caregiver for my wife who recently passed, no shirt or tickets. That being said I was a thirty plus year FB ticket holder and twenty plus year M&WBB years ago. I still think the shirts are going to be a mistake that will be added to multiple blunders of BU. Success on the field speaks volumes over a tacky shirt. BU certainly isn't a bulletin board school, BUT can you imagine the Bullseye that every school will be targeting now? "We'll see" as Gust Avrakotos would say.
PartyBear
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I am sorry to hear about your wife. May peace be with you and your family.
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I would never criticize our service academies.
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PartyBear said:

Kind of reminds of some of the swag we haven't had since May of 16.

Since the money goes to NIL. Baylor should have a "we pay players" out game this season.
Loser fans when we're too humble: "This program has no swag anymore"

Loser fans when we show swag: "This is going to bite us in the ass"

Seriously, y'all are just looking for excuses to rag on this program at this point.
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parch said:

PartyBear said:

Kind of reminds of some of the swag we haven't had since May of 16.

Since the money goes to NIL. Baylor should have a "we pay players" out game this season.
Loser fans when we're too humble: "This program has no swag anymore"

Loser fans when we show swag: "This is going to bite us in the ass"

Seriously, y'all are just looking for excuses to rag on this program at this point.
It's probably just me, but swag is earned. Can you give me an example? Empty statements are just that ... empty.
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SIC EM 94 said:

T-REX said:

PartyBear said:

Kind of reminds of some of the swag we haven't had since May of 16.

Since the money goes to NIL. Baylor should have a "we pay players" out game this season.
perfect shirt to wear if your section is green for the stripe out vs byu

BYU game is a "Gold Out"
yea had those 2 flipped
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BBWCBear said:

parch said:

PartyBear said:

Kind of reminds of some of the swag we haven't had since May of 16.

Since the money goes to NIL. Baylor should have a "we pay players" out game this season.
Loser fans when we're too humble: "This program has no swag anymore"

Loser fans when we show swag: "This is going to bite us in the ass"

Seriously, y'all are just looking for excuses to rag on this program at this point.
It's probably just me, but swag is earned. Can you give me an example? Empty statements are just that ... empty.
swag is not earned. Swag = swagger. You don't earn something that is a trait you display
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T-REX said:

BBWCBear said:

parch said:

PartyBear said:

Kind of reminds of some of the swag we haven't had since May of 16.

Since the money goes to NIL. Baylor should have a "we pay players" out game this season.
Loser fans when we're too humble: "This program has no swag anymore"

Loser fans when we show swag: "This is going to bite us in the ass"

Seriously, y'all are just looking for excuses to rag on this program at this point.
It's probably just me, but swag is earned. Can you give me an example? Empty statements are just that ... empty.
swag is not earned. Swag = swagger. You don't earn something that is a trait you display

Swagger
intransitive verb

1. To walk or conduct oneself with an insolent or arrogant air.
2.To brag; boast.
3.To walk with a swaying motion; hence, to walk and act in a pompous, consequential manner.

There were a couple of Olympic female boxers that probably felt that way, but...

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I am, and always have been, a STF up and play football kind of fan. Attitude and swag belongs on the field. I am sad it has not been there and hopeful it may be back.
Illigitimus non carborundum
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ehhh... this feels kind of aggy-ish...
Space Cutter
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Unfortunately this is college football today. Money, money, money. Said another way, greed, greed, greed.

Putting that slogan on coaches T-shirts is CLASSLESS!
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BBWCBear said:

parch said:

PartyBear said:

Kind of reminds of some of the swag we haven't had since May of 16.

Since the money goes to NIL. Baylor should have a "we pay players" out game this season.
Loser fans when we're too humble: "This program has no swag anymore"

Loser fans when we show swag: "This is going to bite us in the ass"

Seriously, y'all are just looking for excuses to rag on this program at this point.
It's probably just me, but swag is earned. Can you give me an example? Empty statements are just that ... empty.
Swag isn't "earned," it's displayed. We were doing a lot of swaggy things early in Briles' tenure that we weren't backing up on the field until later. It was that attitude that ultimately attracted dudes (some of them "bad dudes") who wanted to live into what we were selling. It made us a lot of enemies but it also won us a lot of games.

There are a lot of ways to "do" swag. Colorado is out on the tiles trying to do it in the most extreme way possible (the "D" for dawgs instead of a C captain patch is one example) but there are others. This is pretty tame and mild all things considered. It's just a spin-off from Aranda's quote, which in context I thought was actually kind of mournful.
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Stefano DiMera said:

I would never criticize our service academies.

If anything, it's only critical of that post. I have a great deal of respect for those in uniform and the academies (except when they do something boneheaded). If my Dad were still alive he would have a great interest in the game because he served in the USAF for 22 years.
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historian said:


If my Dad were still alive he would have a great interest in the game because he served in the USAF for 22 years.
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