BEAR 45 said:

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Nice discussion about who is better between Robertson and Finn, Let me throw out a different possibility, Aranda had to make a decision about which to start, even though he went to the last week to choose who would start. Sounds like Aranda considered them as equals in ability. If you were Aranda and spent a considerable amount of NIL money to get Finn, do you really want to go back to the backers, who put up the money in the forst place, and tell them your starting QB was already on the roster ?

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This is an issue every P4 and G5 HC has to contend with now.

Robert Wilson said:

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BEAR 45 said:

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Nice discussion about who is better between Robertson and Finn, Let me throw out a different possibility, Aranda had to make a decision about which to start, even though he went to the last week to choose who would start. Sounds like Aranda considered them as equals in ability. If you were Aranda and spent a considerable amount of NIL money to get Finn, do you really want to go back to the backers, who put up the money in the forst place, and tell them your starting QB was already on the roster ?

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If you're Aranda, you start whoever you think gives you the best chance to win. Period. Otherwise you're probably out of a job soon.

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And if is a toss up, what do you do ? Not sure either of the two is the answer, only time will tell, but if I am a defensive coordinator playing Baylor , I would do all that I could to see Finn running the ball or throwing the deep ball.

With Finn's struggles against Utah I was surprised Sawyer didn't get any time, other than the almost 4th down play before the penalty…I'm curious if that Is Dave's call or Jake's with Dave saying Jake is the head coach of the offense basically.

Would love to see Sawyer get the start this week but I'm not expecting it.. sawyer seemed very inaccurate last year but that last game against WV really gave me some hope about what he could become…he looked like a different guy. The tv crew for Tarleton game said he was hitting the receivers in stride for first time all night where Finn kept under throwing the deep balls and it definitely looked different…obviously very short sample size that game.

If he doesn't get something going quickly, that's probably all she wrote for Dave considering they put a ton of dollars on this guy. I agree his lack of consistent accuracy and ability to throw are concerning... they jump off the screen in game. The lack of pocket awareness and feel for the game is also concerning. Hopefully he settles down into a mediocre qb that can break a play or two but I see where you're coming from.

Fans need to study and get the data.

Spavital was FIRED from Texas State (as HC) after 4 seasons, 13 wins total over those 4 seasons, and a .271 winbing percentage for his tenure at the helm. Texas State.............

Then, he gets brought on by his buddy at Cal where they proceed to go sub-500 for Spavital's ONE YEAR as OC there.

Then, Braniac Aranda (and AD Rhoades) decides he's the best offensive choice for Baylor......who desperately is looking to revamp an offense and bring life back into football program losing its fan base.

Ok......anyone who thought Spavital and Finn would bring excitement back this soon is drunk on the Idiot Koolaide.

Aranda (and Rhoades) are grasping at straws and in way over their heads in building a nationally relevent program.

Sadly, Sic'em

ZachTay said:

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Fans need to study and get the data.

Spavital was FIRED from Texas State (as HC) after 4 seasons, 13 wins total over those 4 seasons, and a .271 winbing percentage for his tenure at the helm. Texas State.............

Then, he gets brought on by his buddy at Cal where they proceed to go sub-500 for Spavital's ONE YEAR as OC there.

Then, Braniac Aranda (and AD Rhoades) decides he's the best offensive choice for Baylor......who desperately is looking to revamp an offense and bring life back into football program losing its fan base.

Ok......anyone who thought Spavital and Finn would bring excitement back this soon is drunk on the Idiot Koolaide.

Aranda (and Rhoades) are grasping at straws and in way over their heads in building a nationally relevent program.

Sadly, Sic'em

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This guy gets it. Like I said I fired warning shots before spring ball kicked off but the premium posters were busy sunshine pumping this frat boy cheerleader

Killing Floor said:

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Lol no he's not.

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absolutely he's not, do you not remember the Steele years?!

After having played the easiest game on our schedule and the toughest game on our schedule, Finn's QBR is 27.6.

118th in the nation. There are 134 teams in FBS.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/4427191/dequan-finn

ZachTay said:

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Fans need to study and get the data.

Spavital was FIRED from Texas State (as HC) after 4 seasons, 13 wins total over those 4 seasons, and a .271 winbing percentage for his tenure at the helm. Texas State.............

Then, he gets brought on by his buddy at Cal where they proceed to go sub-500 for Spavital's ONE YEAR as OC there.

Then, Braniac Aranda (and AD Rhoades) decides he's the best offensive choice for Baylor......who desperately is looking to revamp an offense and bring life back into football program losing its fan base.

Ok......anyone who thought Spavital and Finn would bring excitement back this soon is drunk on the Idiot Koolaide.

Aranda (and Rhoades) are grasping at straws and in way over their heads in building a nationally relevent program.

Sadly, Sic'em

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I doubt there were many top-level OCs chomping at the bit to come work for Aranda who was lucky to still have a job. 3rd OC in 5 seasons. Functionally 3rd DC in 5 seasons. And we aren't losing people to bigger jobs. What a cluster.

I remember when we hired Mateos as offensive line coach, I happened to go to the Texas State message board to see what they thought about him. Most did not like him; there were a lot of comments about how he left their offensive line in a very poor state. at the time, I didn't worry about it - I just thought it was typical bitter message board talk. But now I can't help but feel that Mateos did the same thing to us. He seemed to recruit a lot of undersized small-school guys. A lot of talk about the offensive lines we had with Briles, and those weren't necessarily the most skilled linemen, but they were strong, lanky, well-coached guys.

So long as Pendergrass is the only back we have that can do anything via breaking tackles at the first point of contact, our offense will suck. Our best bet now is to keep defenses guessing by incorporating a lot of designed runs with Finn

Robert Wilson said:

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I think we should do the rotating QB thing atm. See who has the hot hand and/or can make a play. It's not like we have a rhythm anyway.

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You have a coach who can hardly comprehend what the right motive to use to get the players ready for a game....cringeworthy to consider if he is able to switch out a QB...

ZachTay said:

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Fans need to study and get the data.

Spavital was FIRED from Texas State (as HC) after 4 seasons, 13 wins total over those 4 seasons, and a .271 winbing percentage for his tenure at the helm. Texas State.............

Then, he gets brought on by his buddy at Cal where they proceed to go sub-500 for Spavital's ONE YEAR as OC there.

Then, Braniac Aranda (and AD Rhoades) decides he's the best offensive choice for Baylor......who desperately is looking to revamp an offense and bring life back into football program losing its fan base.

Ok......anyone who thought Spavital and Finn would bring excitement back this soon is drunk on the Idiot Koolaide.

Aranda (and Rhoades) are grasping at straws and in way over their heads in building a nationally relevent program.

Sadly, Sic'em

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Time to park some moving trucks outside of Mack and DA home...

IowaBear said:

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Talent evaluation. Helen Keller could evaluate talent better than the clown HC we have

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Wouldn't it have been the offensive staff that would have targeted him?

BluesBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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I think we should do the rotating QB thing atm. See who has the hot hand and/or can make a play. It's not like we have a rhythm anyway.

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You have a coach who can hardly comprehend what the right motive to use to get the players ready for a game....cringeworthy to consider if he is able to switch out a QB...

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Aranda is scheming with the D while we are on O ... as he should be given his skill set.

Sure, doesn't change the fact that Dave can't identify talent or develop it either.
Quite frankly I'm not convinced anyone on staff can develop talent. Just look at the OL as an example or the DL. Somehow Gabe Hall and TJ Franklin managed to get worse each year

Look.

Not everyone can be a Guy Tomcheck.

If you're expecting this guy to come in here and turn into Dane King overnight,

Your expectations are way too high to begin with.

IowaBear said:

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Sure, doesn't change the fact that Dave can't identify talent or develop it either.
Quite frankly I'm not convinced anyone on staff can develop talent. Just look at the OL as an example or the DL. Somehow Gabe Hall and TJ Franklin managed to get worse each year

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Talent evaluation and player development hasn't been the strong suit since CDA has been HC. What sucks is that it doesn't appear they excel in talent evaluation or development on either side of the ball.

Rhule and staff could spot guys and develop a defense. His offenses were always anemic.

Briles was a system / qb whisperer, but the defenses and special teams units were terrible.

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Jack Bauer said:

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Does Bryce Petty have any eligibility left...Nick Florence? I don't care if they are 30 years old, just sign them up

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Shapen is almost as old as they are and he's not looking too good right now against Sun Devil High.

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Not exactly world beating stats by either guy but I know who I would go with:

Finn : 9/21, 115 Yards, 1 TD / 0 INT

Shapen: 18/28, 268 Yards, 2 TD / 0 INT

jikespingleton said:

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BUGWBBear said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Does Bryce Petty have any eligibility left...Nick Florence? I don't care if they are 30 years old, just sign them up

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Shapen is almost as old as they are and he's not looking too good right now against Sun Devil High.

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Not exactly world beating stats by either guy but I know who I would go with:

Finn : 9/21, 115 Yards, 1 TD / 0 INT

Shapen: 18/28, 268 Yards, 2 TD / 0 INT

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The vast majority of Shapen's production came after his team had fallen behind 30-3. He was pretty terrible against a thoroughly mediocre ASU defense when the outcome of that game was actually in the balance.

boykin_spaniel said:

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To be fair to Finn, no one would look great behind this OL. He did miss the out route and launch a ball to no one at some point but… he fumbled because he got hit throwing a screen pass. No QB can succeed without the time to throw a screen pass

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He wasn't throwing a screen pass…But he went for an instant quick release throw and I don't even think he had 2 seconds…Every quarterback in America loses the ball on that throw…However, while not very good the offensive line is light years better than last year.

The only quarterback I've ever seen that could beat that rush and get the arm going forward was Dan Marino…End of list… It was not Finn's fault.

The backwards screen pass out of bounds for a loss was his fault but the fumble was not

Maybe I misinterpreted your point. I totally agree on the screen pass.

jikespingleton said:

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BUGWBBear said:

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Jack Bauer said:

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Does Bryce Petty have any eligibility left...Nick Florence? I don't care if they are 30 years old, just sign them up

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Shapen is almost as old as they are and he's not looking too good right now against Sun Devil High.

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Not exactly world beating stats by either guy but I know who I would go with:

Finn : 9/21, 115 Yards, 1 TD / 0 INT

Shapen: 18/28, 268 Yards, 2 TD / 0 INT

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15 Yards/completion is fairly solid unless you think 25 yards/completion is actually realistic?