He started posting here 11 months ago.. I noticed many others of these accounts that say this kind of stuff constantly over the past year to 20 months are less than 2 years old.

In hindsight I'd agree, but hindsight is always 20/20

blackie said:

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ZachTay said:

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Dave Aranda


I am not wrong............

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You are never wrong. We are blessed to have you here.

Your comment would be convincing of your post title if you can provide a link to a post you made immediately after the 2021 season when most people here were in the dumps hoping that we could hang on to him when reportedly the big programs were calling and were ecstatic when his extension was announced. Easy to say things in retrospect. Just show what you said in 2021. If you were on the bad hire wagon then after we had just won the Sugar Bowl, as proved by a post, you deserve credit for your claim.

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Sorry when the truth hurts. But you need to grow a pair. I've been consistent since Day One of Aranda.

And, I date back well into the Briles years on S365.

Daveisabovereproach said:

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In hindsight I'd agree, but hindsight is always 20/20

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20/20 yeah the Pandemic hit for sure.

You can call for his job today. That's fine. But when he came to Waco Aranda by all accounts seemed like the right guy. You can scroll my comments, I'm not going to defend his performance. But he looked right when we brought him on. Sometimes people aren't a good fit. Sometimes you don't know that in advance.

Hindsight.

Whether you wanted someone else or not, he eemed at least a reasonable hire at the time. I was cool with the hire at the time.
The championship year we saw some headscratchers that got me wondering what he was thinking. Attributed it to him being new. Learned pretty quickly that he wasn't an effective headcoach.

I'm not defending his performance and I've ranted about firing him. But he got the job. He had the palmars to earn the opportunity.
Also there are plenty successful leader/coaches who aren't blowhards. Dungy, Shanny, Smart, Sark…

Killing Floor said:

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You can call for his job today. That's fine. But when he came to Waco Aranda by all accounts seemed like the right guy. You can scroll my comments, I'm not going to defend his performance. But he looked right when we brought him on. Sometimes people aren't a good fit. Sometimes you don't know that in advance.

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I didn't like the hire at the time, but that's mainly because I have strong bias against outside coordinators as head coach hires.

I don't mind internal promotions, but I pretty much never want to hire someone else's assistant. Those guys should be made to prove they can coach at the FCS or G5 level before they're handed a power conference program IMO.

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bear2be2 said:

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Killing Floor said:

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You can call for his job today. That's fine. But when he came to Waco Aranda by all accounts seemed like the right guy. You can scroll my comments, I'm not going to defend his performance. But he looked right when we brought him on. Sometimes people aren't a good fit. Sometimes you don't know that in advance.

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I didn't like the hire at the time, but that's mainly because I have strong bias against outside coordinators as head coach hires.

I don't mind internal promotions, but I pretty much never want to hire someone else's assistant. Those guys should be made to prove they can coach at the FCS or G5 level before they're handed a power conference program IMO.

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Concur. I want a guy who has proven he can run a program, unless possibly you're promoting from within and trying to keep an entire staff and culture in place. Much rather hire a highly successful FCS coach (see K State) than an FBS coordinator.

The game of musical chairs on Aranda's staff indicates he was not ready to run and manage a program.

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100 percent. There have been so many rookie mistakes in these five years with Aranda. I think he generally does a pretty good job of learning from those, but some of them can't be undone or corrected quickly. If he fails here, and odds are fairly strong he will, you'll be able to point to three or four head-scratching decisions he made that completely sunk his tenure.

I created a thread in Dec 2022, stating both Dave and Nikki needed to get canned.

As you can imagine most of the replies weren't kind. The funny part to me was that the thread was deleted.

It's kind of emblematic of our political and cultural climate for the past 8-10 years. Don't like someone's opinion? Shout them down or otherwise remove the "nuisance".

montypython said:

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I created a thread in Dec 2022, stating both Dave and Nikki needed to get canned.

As you can imagine most of the replies weren't kind. The funny part to me was that the thread was deleted.

It's kind of emblematic of our political and cultural climate for the past 8-10 years. Don't like someone's opinion? Shout them down or otherwise remove the "nuisance".

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Kind of emblematic of Baylor culture in general.

"Don't fall for this BS"

bear2be2 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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bear2be2 said:

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Killing Floor said:

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You can call for his job today. That's fine. But when he came to Waco Aranda by all accounts seemed like the right guy. You can scroll my comments, I'm not going to defend his performance. But he looked right when we brought him on. Sometimes people aren't a good fit. Sometimes you don't know that in advance.

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I didn't like the hire at the time, but that's mainly because I have strong bias against outside coordinators as head coach hires.

I don't mind internal promotions, but I pretty much never want to hire someone else's assistant. Those guys should be made to prove they can coach at the FCS or G5 level before they're handed a power conference program IMO.

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Concur. I want a guy who has proven he can run a program, unless possibly you're promoting from within and trying to keep an entire staff and culture in place. Much rather hire a highly successful FCS coach (see K State) than an FBS coordinator.

The game of musical chairs on Aranda's staff indicates he was not ready to run and manage a program.

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100 percent. There have been so many rookie mistakes in these five years with Aranda. I think he generally does a pretty good job of learning from those, but some of them can't be undone or corrected quickly. If he fails here, and odds are fairly strong he will, you'll be able to point to three or four head-scratching decisions he made that completely sunk his tenure.

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The biggest may be not dancin with the one that bring ya

That was stupid even if he thought shapen was a little better. Definitely wasn't worth the risk and as we've all seen Dave is a TERRIBLE risk manager

ttt

BaylorPax said:

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I think the more pertinent question is not about Aranda, but will Linda and Mack make the right call to fire him, and replace him with someone with vision and competence.

Everyone here should worry about the 6 win season. With it they can sell Aranda to donors for another season. Linda and her office seem to have an affinity for Aranda.

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They all need to go!!!!!

I think this is pure nonsense. A contract is a contract. Do we honor it or not? I was thankful that the man stayed when many wanted him. Leave him alone and let him build a program. I have watched Baylor football since the 50s and have noticed the many times we keep firing people and not honoring our word. It is true that Baylor was behind in paying players but I think the blame for that lies beyond the football coach. Looking at the 25 recruits shows some great progress. We celebrate this week the big win against Texas. Before that win, I heard the same kind of naysayers before that season and game, calling for a new direction. Remember we learned alot about 20 years ago in the basketball program...when we learned if you recruit some thugs, do not be surprised when they act like thugs. Switzer learned the same lesson at Oklahoma football! Let the man work out what we promised him and get some true student players to play for ole Baylor U..

I wanted GJ Kinne to be our qb way back when and I wanted him to be our head coach as soon as he whooped our azz. I still want him as our coach so we need to make that move ASAP.

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I think this is pure nonsense. A contract is a contract. Do we honor it or not? I was thankful that the man stayed when many wanted him. Leave him alone and let him build a program. I have watched Baylor football since the 50s and have noticed the many times we keep firing people and not honoring our word. It is true that Baylor was behind in paying players but I think the blame for that lies beyond the football coach. Looking at the 25 recruits shows some great progress. We celebrate this week the big win against Texas. Before that win, I heard the same kind of naysayers before that season and game, calling for a new direction. Remember we learned alot about 20 years ago in the basketball program...when we learned if you recruit some thugs, do not be surprised when they act like thugs. Switzer learned the same lesson at Oklahoma football! Let the man work out what we promised him and get some true student players to play for ole Baylor U..

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This type of post is peak elderly Baylor fan. It comes across like a parody, but I know it's almost certainly meant to be taken seriously. Like, it has all the hallmarks including referencing wins from 50 years ago and trying to somehow apply them to our current coaching situation, not understanding the concept of a contract that can be bought out, scolding people for wanting to fire a failing coach, referencing recruiting as a reason to keep a failing coach, etc.

Daveisabovereproach said:

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Pastorron said:

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I think this is pure nonsense. A contract is a contract. Do we honor it or not? I was thankful that the man stayed when many wanted him. Leave him alone and let him build a program. I have watched Baylor football since the 50s and have noticed the many times we keep firing people and not honoring our word. It is true that Baylor was behind in paying players but I think the blame for that lies beyond the football coach. Looking at the 25 recruits shows some great progress. We celebrate this week the big win against Texas. Before that win, I heard the same kind of naysayers before that season and game, calling for a new direction. Remember we learned alot about 20 years ago in the basketball program...when we learned if you recruit some thugs, do not be surprised when they act like thugs. Switzer learned the same lesson at Oklahoma football! Let the man work out what we promised him and get some true student players to play for ole Baylor U..

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This type of post is peak elderly Baylor fan. It comes across like a parody, but I know it's almost certainly meant to be taken seriously. Like, it has all the hallmarks including referencing wins from 50 years ago and trying to somehow apply them to our current coaching situation, not understanding the concept of a contract that can be bought out, scolding people for wanting to fire a failing coach, referencing recruiting as a reason to keep a failing coach, etc.

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Indeed. Don't forget the overarching tone of moral high ground (those who disagree with me are morally inferior), the references to "thugs," and mentioning Switzer as a warning. ("We are way too good to be like those debaucherous state school people from Oklahoma.")

Robert Wilson said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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Pastorron said:

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I think this is pure nonsense. A contract is a contract. Do we honor it or not? I was thankful that the man stayed when many wanted him. Leave him alone and let him build a program. I have watched Baylor football since the 50s and have noticed the many times we keep firing people and not honoring our word. It is true that Baylor was behind in paying players but I think the blame for that lies beyond the football coach. Looking at the 25 recruits shows some great progress. We celebrate this week the big win against Texas. Before that win, I heard the same kind of naysayers before that season and game, calling for a new direction. Remember we learned alot about 20 years ago in the basketball program...when we learned if you recruit some thugs, do not be surprised when they act like thugs. Switzer learned the same lesson at Oklahoma football! Let the man work out what we promised him and get some true student players to play for ole Baylor U..

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This type of post is peak elderly Baylor fan. It comes across like a parody, but I know it's almost certainly meant to be taken seriously. Like, it has all the hallmarks including referencing wins from 50 years ago and trying to somehow apply them to our current coaching situation, not understanding the concept of a contract that can be bought out, scolding people for wanting to fire a failing coach, referencing recruiting as a reason to keep a failing coach, etc.

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Indeed. Don't forget the overarching tone of moral high ground (those who disagree with me are morally inferior), the references to "thugs," and mentioning Switzer as a warning. ("We are way too good to be like those debaucherous state school people from Oklahoma.")

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I can't help but feel that these are the same people who will demand to speak to the manager at McDonald's because their nuggets were cold, but the idea of holding a multi-million dollar coach and Athletic Director accountable for YEARS of failure? No, they're better than that

BaylorPax said:

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I think the more pertinent question is not about Aranda, but will Linda and Mack make the right call to fire him, and replace him with someone with vision and competence.

Everyone here should worry about the 6 win season. With it they can sell Aranda to donors for another season. Linda and her office seem to have an affinity for Aranda.

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I write this wanting DA fired last season.

I think a 6 win (or better) season gets him another year. That is progress in my book and I've accepted and am content that administration will keep him if he does that. What I fear is the 5 win season and what administration does with that. It's bowl or bust for me with DA this year. I don't know if that is where Linda and Mack are. They may see 5 wins as enough progress and make us suffer another year.

I think if he only wins 4 or less games, he will be gone.

Personally I'm cheering for DA to put it all together and make us a consistent bowl team with playing for a B12 championship every 3-4 years and playoff appearances. But I need to see progress quickly. I'm chapped that Baylor has been the victim of a learn as you go and on the job training for a guy making millions of dollars a year, but it is what it is. We need a quarterback whisperer.....badly.

I have no idea how it all turns out. I think Aranda may be a decent HC and hopefully he does things that in a couple of years everyone think that again.

But to the issue of hiring a coordinator with no HC experience many of you forget that when you suddenly have an unexpected opening in mid January of a given year it may as well be mid June in the modern college football world. An AD in that position is pretty much forced to make the best of very tough bets as to options in that scenario. The coaching change season is over by then. You are not going to get real good current Power conference HCs throwing their hat in the ring or being persuadable at that time of year. Its too late.

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montypython said:

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I created a thread in Dec 2022, stating both Dave and Nikki needed to get canned.

As you can imagine most of the replies weren't kind. The funny part to me was that the thread was deleted.

It's kind of emblematic of our political and cultural climate for the past 8-10 years. Don't like someone's opinion? Shout them down or otherwise remove the "nuisance".

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Kind of emblematic of Baylor culture in general.

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This is so true!

Robert Wilson said:

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Daveisabovereproach said:

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Pastorron said:

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I think this is pure nonsense. A contract is a contract. Do we honor it or not? I was thankful that the man stayed when many wanted him. Leave him alone and let him build a program. I have watched Baylor football since the 50s and have noticed the many times we keep firing people and not honoring our word. It is true that Baylor was behind in paying players but I think the blame for that lies beyond the football coach. Looking at the 25 recruits shows some great progress. We celebrate this week the big win against Texas. Before that win, I heard the same kind of naysayers before that season and game, calling for a new direction. Remember we learned alot about 20 years ago in the basketball program...when we learned if you recruit some thugs, do not be surprised when they act like thugs. Switzer learned the same lesson at Oklahoma football! Let the man work out what we promised him and get some true student players to play for ole Baylor U..

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This type of post is peak elderly Baylor fan. It comes across like a parody, but I know it's almost certainly meant to be taken seriously. Like, it has all the hallmarks including referencing wins from 50 years ago and trying to somehow apply them to our current coaching situation, not understanding the concept of a contract that can be bought out, scolding people for wanting to fire a failing coach, referencing recruiting as a reason to keep a failing coach, etc.

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Indeed. Don't forget the overarching tone of moral high ground (those who disagree with me are morally inferior), the references to "thugs," and mentioning Switzer as a warning. ("We are way too good to be like those debaucherous state school people from Oklahoma.")

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While I do not agree with Pastor Ron, I have no problem admitting that we are "better" than the vast majority of large state schools. Their fans act like garbage and will condone anything.
Moral high ground? Condescension? Don't care.

ZachTay said:

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Dave Aranda


I am not wrong............

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ttt

Maybe Aranda was a bad hire. The thing is, it is hard not to blame the impacts of the NIL and portal transition. We would not have competed no matter who was coaching.

We will see what happens now that we pay players. We won't ever compete with the large, blue blood schools, but maybe we can with the Big-12. We are behind other schools in $$.

Aranda may not get us there. But I have to admit, he came in at the wrong place and time to succeed. I am not sure he ever had a chance.